In reply to Raynb -
I read through that petition and it was actually put rather well.
The writer assumed (perhaps wrongly) that ANet had finished the promotion and had no plans to make any more income from the BMP
What I find interesting is Gaile's response - man, how unfriendly can you get. She could have simply said, "It's not financially feasible for us to do that and we might have further plans for release."
But noooooo
She just had to rant, rave and run through how every possibility of distribution was impossible. Now I understand why so many of you thought it would never be offered in any other way - she pretty much says that.
You made up my mind - I was thinking of buying it retail. But no more buying from ANet for me - period. I do understand that with the change from a release every 6 months to GW2 not coming out for a year and a half they will need to sell things to make money - that was expected. But, when a company responds to its customer in that manner it obviously no longer needs them.
BMP for sale
Tom Swift
lyra_song
I dont like the idea of having to pay for it. $10 seems a bit steep.
They should have just had another promotion where you get for free, for spending a certain amount.
Oh well. At least my guildmates who didnt get it can get it now. That makes me happy.
They should have just had another promotion where you get for free, for spending a certain amount.
Oh well. At least my guildmates who didnt get it can get it now. That makes me happy.
Sirius-NZ
Check the context. Likely the players involved were being more than a little hostile too. Gaile seemed to miss the mark about retail sales - wasn't as bad as all that after all! - although she didn't seem to dismiss the prospect, but rather seemed doubtful it was realistic.
Oh and thanks for that Alex, you made the thread cool again.
Oh and thanks for that Alex, you made the thread cool again.
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Meh guess this was expected.
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Esan
I'm glad it's for sale now. Anet occasionally shows good business sense. I hope the cash inflow is used to hire good voice actors for GW2.
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I'm glad it's for sale now. Anet occasionally shows good business sense. I hope the cash inflow is used to hire good voice actors for GW2.
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Steven Blum (Cowboy Bebop - Spike Spiegel)
Maurice Lamarche (Pinky and the Brain - The Brain)
Paul Eiding (Metal Gear Solid - Colonel Campbell)
Numa Pompilius
Good on Anet.
I have the BMP because I bought GWEN; it's no skin off my back if other people get to pay extra to get what I got for free. I think the BMP missions are quite fun, and I'm happy more people will get to enjoy them.
I have the BMP because I bought GWEN; it's no skin off my back if other people get to pay extra to get what I got for free. I think the BMP missions are quite fun, and I'm happy more people will get to enjoy them.
Tamarzan
Might as well add my two cents in. I think that this is unfair because it was a "limited time offer". Also, we had to pay $30 to get it (yes, some bought EotN however some also bought 3 char slots) where now we would only have to pay $10. This is extremely unfair. ANet: make it the same price we had to pay or don't make it at all.
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Well, it was because of THIS post, that I was thinking that BMP would be a one time only thing... |
I'm not elitist at all, I'd be more than happy to let everyone have the BMP, but through another promotion, not just a sale for the price of a character slot. Living in Australia and being charged in Pounds the exchange rate brought the price of GWEN to nearly three times the price of the same in retail stores. But I happily took advantage of the "promotion" and paid the extra money to show my support of Anet. Turns out I could have saved myself the trouble, and the cash, since obviously our support means minimal in the long run.
To be completely honest, this whole BMP thing has been so poorly run. Everyone deserved a chance to get the BMP, and before it was offered there should have been some sort of PayPal implementation, or some alternative form of payment. Hundreds of companies have managed to set up online stores with perfect functionality, and for whizz team of designers, coders and programmers I don't for a second believe that they aren't able to do it (given that they have NCSoft's resources at their disposal.)
This isn't a damned if you do - damned if you don't scenario. The differing feelings of both sides of this argument come purely from the travesty that was the marketing, promotion, PR and Customer Relations to do with this promotion.
I only hope that Anet can learn from this and continue the wonderful customer service they showed when I first started playing this game close to three years ago. You have created a wonderful game, and I'd hate to see a community tear itself apart because of some bad marketing and PR.
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Might as well add my two cents in. I think that this is unfair because it was a "limited time offer". Also, we had to pay $30 to get it (yes, some bought EotN however some also bought 3 char slots) where now we would only have to pay $10. This is extremely unfair. ANet: make it the same price we had to pay or don't make it at all.
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oancea
why are you people so worked up about the bmp ? oO
why are you so worked up about a GAME ? oO
why are you so worked up about 10/30$ ? Did u sell a part of the body/ the dog/ your house/ didnt eat in 3days to get em ?)
why are you felling scamed ? do you feel like this every time you go to a shop buy smth and the next day there is a special offer and ppl can get it at half the price ?
did anyone force you to buy 30$ worth of stuff from shop to get the bmp ? it was smth that they decided to give ppl for free who buy from online store. If you forced yourself to buy things you do not need in order to receive smth free i think its pretty sad imo. it was pretty obvious you wouldnt gain any ingame wealth from the bmp while only a number could have it at the moment. thus is was pretty optional(it was not like you would die/ get banned if you didnt buy stuff).
ill prob get flammed for saying that 30$ isnt much but as long as you can affort a pc, internet, original games, and extra features i dont think you depended on that money . and if you do wth are you doing playing games ?oO.
not pro/against bmp its just a feature added to the game. a feature that is optional which does no harm.
why are you so worked up about a GAME ? oO
why are you so worked up about 10/30$ ? Did u sell a part of the body/ the dog/ your house/ didnt eat in 3days to get em ?
)why are you felling scamed ? do you feel like this every time you go to a shop buy smth and the next day there is a special offer and ppl can get it at half the price ?
did anyone force you to buy 30$ worth of stuff from shop to get the bmp ? it was smth that they decided to give ppl for free who buy from online store. If you forced yourself to buy things you do not need in order to receive smth free i think its pretty sad imo. it was pretty obvious you wouldnt gain any ingame wealth from the bmp while only a number could have it at the moment. thus is was pretty optional(it was not like you would die/ get banned if you didnt buy stuff).
ill prob get flammed for saying that 30$ isnt much
but as long as you can affort a pc, internet, original games, and extra features i dont think you depended on that money . and if you do wth are you doing playing games ?oO. not pro/against bmp its just a feature added to the game. a feature that is optional which does no harm.
isildorbiafra
I dont mind GW offering this ONE TIME ONLY BONUS MISSION PACK PROMOTION for sale. I'm glad players get a chance to prurchase it.
I bought GWEN in the onlinestore and got the BMP.
I do however have a stygean reaver to grind with Anet:
This is my point: i want them to send me the EOTN box with full content!
That should even it out just fine.
And for those that bought 15 charcter slots; refund them all!
I bought GWEN in the onlinestore and got the BMP.
I do however have a stygean reaver to grind with Anet:
This is my point: i want them to send me the EOTN box with full content!
That should even it out just fine.
And for those that bought 15 charcter slots; refund them all!
Sub Frost
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Can some one please show me where does it state that it's "unique", "never sold" or "we are forcing you to waste your money, because we use mind control devices in our promotion add's".
Won't bother saying much more, again thanks to Anet for releasing the BMP, and give a chance to all to experience it.
Etta
It's all about making money. There're no more chapter coming out, Anet need as much income as they can to fund their GW2 project, pay the bills, buy a new car etc. Who are you to stand in their way?
If they put that on the shop, people will buy. I'm not even bother about this one bit. If you still really upset by this, I'll offer you a hug.
If they put that on the shop, people will buy. I'm not even bother about this one bit. If you still really upset by this, I'll offer you a hug.
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This was in October 30 October 2007.
Can some one please show me where does it state that it's "unique", "never sold" or "we are forcing you to waste your money, because we use mind control devices in our promotion add's". Won't bother saying much more, again thanks to Anet for releasing the BMP, and give a chance to all to experience it. |
Dronte
Short reply:
Thanks Anet!
Thanks Anet!
WinterSnowblind
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Sure, see where it says something to the likes of "to qualify for the BMP you MUST (note the MUST) complete your online store transaction before etc."? It's right there. Ty.
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They never said they content would never be re-released/distributed or anything like that.
Necrotic
It seems that most who didn't qualify for the original BMP are the ones saying "quit whining" and those who did are the ones "whining" ...interesting...but for me it's not about some elitest area that I have access to or the weapons that I can get just to give to my heroes. I'm standing over there with Elisa and several others.... because I too feel deceived and taken advantage of simply because I generally feel that this is a good game to play, though the "adjustments" to SR and loot scaling made me question it, I could still find ways to enjoy the game....even if not quite the same way I used to.
It's not about the availability of the Mission Pack....it's about the honesty behind it's promotion. OKay...maybe they weren't sure themselves if it would be offered for sale, in which case they could have promoted it as early access....not "Available ONLY!!"
Edit: Winter....just scroll back a page or two and see the quote of Gaile on the subject....okay maybe she didn't mean it...but it sure sounded like it wasn't ever going to be available again.
It's not about the availability of the Mission Pack....it's about the honesty behind it's promotion. OKay...maybe they weren't sure themselves if it would be offered for sale, in which case they could have promoted it as early access....not "Available ONLY!!"
Edit: Winter....just scroll back a page or two and see the quote of Gaile on the subject....okay maybe she didn't mean it...but it sure sounded like it wasn't ever going to be available again.
Raynb
In reply for Tom Swift:
- Thanks for reading the post, and thanks for understanding my point. Even if you said that you still was not agreeing with me after reading, I would accept this because you at least try to watch from others perspective, thank you again
In reply for Pamelf:
- You got one exact point that made me upset. Gaile was clear for me enough in her post that the BMP was a THANK YOU for the support we give to the game, and the way the post was wrote made me and lot of people belive that this was a promotion just like a Collector's Edition, a promotion that have only one way to get. And BTW, I totally agree with you, I wouldn't post this if they at least repeat the EXACT SAME PROMOTION again, you buy a certain value, you get BMP.
The BMP was first released in november, and now again in the end of January, and if I knew that it would happen, I could have bought the GW:EN box, and waited 2 months, to then buy the BMP.
And just to finish, again I write, I REALLY FEEL HAPPY for you people that will get the BMP. My main is a Mesmer, and i say this because as a Mesmer, I don't like elitism in the game, never liked, and never will, and I really like when everyone get the EQUAL chance to have the same thing.
But this BMP sale is not equal in any means, people like me who bought the GW:EN from online store, and just like me wished for the box, will have now to buy another GW:EN if they want the box, and will have an extra CD-key, but players that bought the box, will have a more privileged way to have the same things we have, and will be able to buy it in stores, wich means more ways to buy that our "promotion" had.
Honestly, IMO buying the box, have a 2 month pause to get some more money and then buy the BMP feels to me way more promotional that getting the BMP for free and not have the box.
I am really sad with all this
- Thanks for reading the post, and thanks for understanding my point. Even if you said that you still was not agreeing with me after reading, I would accept this because you at least try to watch from others perspective, thank you again
In reply for Pamelf:
- You got one exact point that made me upset. Gaile was clear for me enough in her post that the BMP was a THANK YOU for the support we give to the game, and the way the post was wrote made me and lot of people belive that this was a promotion just like a Collector's Edition, a promotion that have only one way to get. And BTW, I totally agree with you, I wouldn't post this if they at least repeat the EXACT SAME PROMOTION again, you buy a certain value, you get BMP.
The BMP was first released in november, and now again in the end of January, and if I knew that it would happen, I could have bought the GW:EN box, and waited 2 months, to then buy the BMP.
And just to finish, again I write, I REALLY FEEL HAPPY for you people that will get the BMP. My main is a Mesmer, and i say this because as a Mesmer, I don't like elitism in the game, never liked, and never will, and I really like when everyone get the EQUAL chance to have the same thing.
But this BMP sale is not equal in any means, people like me who bought the GW:EN from online store, and just like me wished for the box, will have now to buy another GW:EN if they want the box, and will have an extra CD-key, but players that bought the box, will have a more privileged way to have the same things we have, and will be able to buy it in stores, wich means more ways to buy that our "promotion" had.
Honestly, IMO buying the box, have a 2 month pause to get some more money and then buy the BMP feels to me way more promotional that getting the BMP for free and not have the box.
I am really sad with all this
Crom The Pale
I'm not unhappy about this being up for sale once again, what has me a little perplexed is why were the weapons customized?
I mean its now no different than haveing weapons from GWEN being customized upon dropping or the Tormented weapons.
Since anyone can buy the BMP to get the weapons, why shouldn't those that aquired it early have had a chance to sell or trade those items contained within it?
Ok maybe you could argue this is similar to a preview of a new chapter, where they locked the skills/items you aquired untill the official release date. Does that mean that all the customized items we now have will lose their customization and become tradable?
I mean its now no different than haveing weapons from GWEN being customized upon dropping or the Tormented weapons.
Since anyone can buy the BMP to get the weapons, why shouldn't those that aquired it early have had a chance to sell or trade those items contained within it?
Ok maybe you could argue this is similar to a preview of a new chapter, where they locked the skills/items you aquired untill the official release date. Does that mean that all the customized items we now have will lose their customization and become tradable?
pygar
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Indeed, the QQers always have victory. Here's my take on this.
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I like how half the people who are complaining about the reversal of anets BMP decision are only focused on the weapons/other people getting the weapons.
I hope they make every bit of content they have ever had as a drop or promo available in the online store.
Jetdoc
We all knew this was going to happen. Now to figure out whether it's worth my money.
pygar
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I'm not unhappy about this being up for sale once again, what has me a little perplexed is why were the weapons customized?
I mean its now no different than haveing weapons from GWEN being customized upon dropping or the Tormented weapons. Since anyone can buy the BMP to get the weapons, why shouldn't those that aquired it early have had a chance to sell or trade those items contained within it? Ok maybe you could argue this is similar to a preview of a new chapter, where they locked the skills/items you aquired untill the official release date. Does that mean that all the customized items we now have will lose their customization and become tradable? |
Plus another way to look at it is, if everybody has access to the BMP weapons, then the weapons out of the BMP will have little to no trade value because everybody has them.
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Anyone want to dig up Gailes old post where she specifically said they would not be reselling the BMP?
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You won't find it...
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There's not one. I do believe the other BMP thread thoroughly went over every quote and in game chat.
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I have read your comments, but want to let you know that as far as I know, the pricing is set by the sales and marketing teams for both the US and Europe. As I understand it, our publisher, NCsoft Europe, is the one who determines pricing for products offered through or for Europe or European players. I do understand your math; I did the computation myself, in fact, since I think in £ quite often myself.
It is true that the "exchange rate" used in the pricing is somewhat different than what I see as actual currency exchange rates. I'm sorry that I don't know why that is. I do wonder if the £17 is based on the comparative costs of individual items in the in-game store, and that is how one arrives at that figure. I will pass along your concerns on pricing to the sales and marketing team, including those at NCsoft Europe and the US. You are welcome to make your thoughts known via a Support ticket, too, which will be passed along to the proper team member. If you have read any of the forum threads in which I have been involved over the last couple of days -- and it's pretty hard to miss them  -- you'll know that there are currently no plans to offer alternatives for the acquisition of the Bonus Mission Pack. It is a bonus intended for the in-game store. I have discussed this with sales and marketing and have let them know that players would very much like an alternative opportunity to purchase this through the in-game store. However, at this time, there's nothing to relay about any possible future options of this sort, with regret. --Gaile 17:19, 7 July 2007 |
Eli Rela
It has nothing to do with content, it is about how ANet cheated people out of their money to participate in exclusive promotion... that end up not being exclusive anymore. I think they do ban people for cheating in-game, why no one ban ANet for cheating us out of real money? This is a clear case of false advertisement at least ... (*went looking for lawyers*)
Etta
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We all knew this was going to happen. Now to figure out whether it's worth my money.
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This is a clear case of false advertisement at least ... (*went looking for lawyers*)
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Tom Swift
And the $64,000 question........
If they needed the money, why didn't they just sell the dang thing for a straight $10.00 to begin with instead of pretending it was a "thank you" freebie?
Would have been more honest, straightforward and consistent.
Then when the time came they could release it retail everyone would be happy instead of feeling jerked around.
Only thing I can think of is that people would have complained that they were "selling content." But they are going to have to do that to survive until GW2 anyway so they might as well have gotten that whole argument over with sooner rather than later and avoid all this.
If they needed the money, why didn't they just sell the dang thing for a straight $10.00 to begin with instead of pretending it was a "thank you" freebie?
Would have been more honest, straightforward and consistent.
Then when the time came they could release it retail everyone would be happy instead of feeling jerked around.
Only thing I can think of is that people would have complained that they were "selling content." But they are going to have to do that to survive until GW2 anyway so they might as well have gotten that whole argument over with sooner rather than later and avoid all this.
Eli Rela
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This is exactly why A-Net advertised as your only opportunity to get it...FOR FREE. I think they were very careful in their words to give themselves the opportunity for additional revenue in the future.
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pygar
LOL, I said it earlier in this thread, y'all should have been around in the 80's when Coca-Cola decided after 60 years of being in buisness to not only change Coke's formula, but to discontinue the old and pull it from shelves.....it made national news several times in the following 2 years, we're talking /ragequit on a scale you cannot even fathom.
Point is, bigger companies have made bigger mistakes for DUMBER reasons (or no reason at all) and everybody survived and indeed eventually just moved on after the problem was remedied. This situation is no different except it's a way smaller puddle of spilt milk to be crying about.
Point is, bigger companies have made bigger mistakes for DUMBER reasons (or no reason at all) and everybody survived and indeed eventually just moved on after the problem was remedied. This situation is no different except it's a way smaller puddle of spilt milk to be crying about.
XiaoTheBlade
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And the $64,000 question........
If they needed the money, why didn't they just sell the dang thing for a straight $10.00 to begin with instead of pretending it was a "thank you" freebie? |
lilDeath
-.- wtf
I specifically bought this bloody thing with char slots because of the so-fracking-called "limited" offer...
NOW them bastards are offering it for a third of the fracking price?
wtf -.-
GG nubs, great decision... seems like the people that make the decisions (use hat-draws much?) over at ANet, don't know what the hell they want.
So much for taking part in any future "so-called" special offers.
I specifically bought this bloody thing with char slots because of the so-fracking-called "limited" offer...
NOW them bastards are offering it for a third of the fracking price?
wtf -.-
GG nubs, great decision... seems like the people that make the decisions (use hat-draws much?) over at ANet, don't know what the hell they want.
So much for taking part in any future "so-called" special offers.
Eli Rela
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LOL, I said it earlier in this thread, y'all should have been around in the 80's when Coca-Cola decided after 60 years of being in buisness to not only change Coke's formula, but to discontinue the old and pull it from shelves.....it made national news several times in the following 2 years, we're talking /ragequit on a scale you cannot even fathom.
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The Way Out
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You should tell yourself that.
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"In my opinion..."
I didn't bash anyone, and I don't play the case of the game, I play the game. You want my case? Johnny Cash made a song about you "Cry, cry, cry".
Your priorities are screwed up if this is impacting your day or your life.
Tyla
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I see we have a flamer. How are you? How was your childhood? If you read back, I started off my reply
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My childhood is still young, thanks...
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Oh, sorry did you just look at a mirror...?
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Yeah, cuz wanting the weapons in the BMP makes me such a bad person.
I like how half the people who are complaining about the reversal of anets BMP decision are only focused on the weapons/other people getting the weapons. I hope they make every bit of content they have ever had as a drop or promo available in the online store. |
But once more, welcome to the world of BONUS PROMOTION And welcome to LIFE, where if you don't seize something when it comes along, you lose out.
pygar
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Aye, you are a bad person for wanting it and not getting it when you had a chance to. People who couldn't get it for technical reasons (or a reason beyond their control) should have second chance (assuming that the problem is fix). I'm opposed to letting people you didn't want it when they had the chance but want it now because they know it has cool weapons a second chance, that's their fault they don't have it.
But once more, welcome to the world of BONUS PROMOTION And welcome to LIFE, where if you don't seize something when it comes along, you lose out. |
And I'l repeat what I said before, They should sell ALL of the special content they have ever had before, magazine promos- rare drops, whatever....all the hate associated with these limited edition things in the game has got to go.
VanDamselx
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Have only been playing for 2 months, I did not have a chance to get it the first time. But thanx for the attitude.
And I'l repeat what I said before, They should sell ALL of the special content they have ever had before, magazine promos- rare drops, whatever....all the hate associated with these limited edition things in the game has got to go. |
Shuuda
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Have only been playing for 2 months, I did not have a chance to get it the first time. But thanx for the attitude.
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Or atleast you should, but A-net caved into the whiners months ago, and chances are they won't this time. My attitude is harsh, but realistic.
Croco Clouds
Remember there no free lunch in this world... I'll buy it anyway