[Dev Update] Exploits and Bans – 10 January 2008

Mickey

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

D/

I will come entirely clean, and I know this will probably reduce my chances of getting my account back to zero, but w/e.

After beating the other four areas, I tried Mallyx with a pug, and we failed (wasted my consumables, idiots). My buddy was like, let's go, my buddies want to do it too! So I get a guest, I go to the GH, I get ferried to this wierd place, and the Mission Start goes, idk how, later they told me there was an Enter Mission button. We beat Mallyx, I finished my quest, after beating the Four Lords. My friend asked me if I wanted to do more, so I asked how, and he told me just to come, and also to get the quest (which is completely blank, all four lords need to be beat). Meet us at the GH again, they ferry me again, and I am like, wtf, how is this gonna help...I still need to beat the four lords...again. No you don't. We go in again, we end up killing Mallyx again, my quest updates, I thought, that's really wierd, maybe it's like other quests in the game, that update ahead of objectives. I did it three more times, then left. Didn't touch it since, never gone back to DoA. I know that reduces my chances of getting my account back to nil, but seriously. How was I to know it was a exploit, or even a client hack. I used the cash I made to buy a shield, which I gave to an old friend, who only PvPs. Technically, I came out of this with nothing, I made around 18 k from the original quest that I completed, and then the shield that I gave to my friend. The thing is, if I had known this was a hacked exploit, I probably would have never done it, ban or no ban. I think that people who were dragged in there, or did it accidentally (I did, I am a complete noob at DoA, that was my first time in the history that it has been there that I have beaten an area, let alone all four with Ursan) a second chance.

Kusandaa

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

IMHO if it was done by a 3rd party program, it's a good thing they're banned - same with the ones who knew the mechanics and exploited it anyways. Because we're not talking about that GH glitch anymore, we're talking straight up farming Mallyx using an exploit made possible by a third-party program.

If I had been approached to kill Mallyx and was told I didn't need to do the quest, I'd have been curious on the method and would have stayed with the group. Once mapped I'd have left the outpost right away because I'm not crazy enough to risk my account for Mallyx... if you could actually leave the party and such. I don't know the complete mechanics of it.

However, those totally unaware of it shouldn't be banned... but it's case-by-case really.

Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by I pwnd U
So thats what all the fuss was about. Geez seriously, Mallyx isn't that tough if you have a good team. Yes it takes a long time but it's worth it. They deserve their ban.
The problem might just be the whole area is in fact to damn tough thus players who want the good stuff from there start looking for easier ways to get it because they simply just can't the conventional way. This would make it just as much Anet's fault as the ban players.

I mean Anet created the scenario, hung the carrots out of most everyone's reach, what did they expect would happen?

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rexion
they left the outpost open, they should have closed it when they were finished. it is ANets fault for even keeping it there... there will always be a person to use something that the Devs didn't get rid of... ANet should unban all of these people, or I will have lost respect for all they have done (not like I haven't already... since the game is getting boring as it is)
So you're saying because ANet made a mistake they should unban everyone who violated the EULA that they agreed to by exploiting a bug? The people that originally accessed the outpost hacked the client by using a third party program. Fair ban. The people who were ferried to the outpost and killed mallyx exploited the bug. Fair ban. The others who were in the outpost and left shouldn't have gotten banned, but that's not the point.

Rexion

Rexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

[Luck]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Servant of Kali
So what's your point exactly? You have no case.
They are banning people for something that they left open.

The hidden outpost was still open when they were done testing. If they were actually using the right-mind, they should have closed it and/or deleted it.

In my humble opinion, every game will have people that find an exploit and feed off of it for personal benefit. This is no different than people ferrying, but they don't get banned.
ANet bans the few people that used this outpost, but still let the ferriers thrive, when it has been going on for months now.

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Originally Posted by Arkantos
So you're saying because ANet made a mistake they should unban everyone who violated the EULA that they agreed to by exploiting a bug? The people that originally accessed the outpost hacked the client by using a third party program. Fair ban. The people who were ferried to the outpost and killed mallyx exploited the bug. Fair ban. The others who were in the outpost and left shouldn't have gotten banned, but that's not the point.
As I said before, every game will have those that exploit and hack. It is unstoppable.

With all do respect, you might not agree with me, but I say it is ANet's fault 100%, not the people that just happened to find this.

Vinraith

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Nice to see Anet finally take a hard line on exploiters. Personally I think they should be more aggressive about this sort of thing than they are, but I'll take what I can get. I'm not sure how much it really matters , though, after several days of anyone being able to travel anywhere.

slowerpoke

slowerpoke

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2007

Cuba

lawl @ those who got banned
1337 indeed

use exploit = get banned

zerulus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobalt
The problem might just be the whole area is in fact to damn tough thus players who want the good stuff from there start looking for easier ways to get it because they simply just can't the conventional way. This would make it just as much Anet's fault as the ban players.

I mean Anet created the scenario, hung the carrots out of most everyone's reach, what did they expect would happen?
Sorry, just because something is there doesn't mean you have to abuse it. It doesn't matter how enticing it might be, you still have a choice. If you find an exploit or bug report it, abuse it and accept the consequences. Who cares why the outpost was there? There was no legitimate way of accessing it.

Bowstring Badass

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kusandaa
IMHO if it was done by a 3rd party program, it's a good thing they're banned - same with the ones who knew the mechanics and exploited it anyways. Because we're not talking about that GH glitch anymore, we're talking straight up farming Mallyx using an exploit made possible by a third-party program.

If I had been approached to kill Mallyx and was told I didn't need to do the quest, I'd have been curious on the method and would have stayed with the group. Once mapped I'd have left the outpost right away because I'm not crazy enough to risk my account for Mallyx... if you could actually leave the party and such. I don't know the complete mechanics of it.

However, those totally unaware of it shouldn't be banned... but it's case-by-case really.
Really ANETs fault because they OKed the use of texture changes and such only a matter of time before someone was bound to use it for personal gain ANET should slap themselfs.

-Sonata-

-Sonata-

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Pretty Hate Machines [NIN]

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I, for one, am glad such actions were taken. Personally I have zero sympathy for those who hack, cheat, and exploit for personal gain.

It's refreshing to know that these things are being watched for and when serious events like these do occur swift action is taken. There are far too many online games in which Dev Teams, GMs, and volunteers do nothing to put an end to serious exploits and hacks. Instead, their quick fix solution is to add something silly like "GameGuard", avoid banning because they don't want to deal with the negative outburst, dust their hands off, and say "Worry no more!".

I find comfort in knowing that here, in Guild Wars, when certain players take serious advantage of things, they will get caught and they will suffer the consequences.

If you were one of those who was an unwilling particpant and did get hit with the ban stick, I do have sympathy. I don't have any doubts that some truly innocent players got caught in the cross fire. I can imagine it sucks to get caught in the middle because of someone elses greed and selfishness; Enough to hack, cheat, and exploit. Just remember though, the worst thing you can do is flame and write an angry support ticket though. Take the time to write a mature and detailed explination as to how you were truly an unwilling participant in this exploit, unaware, and unknowingly knew of what was occuring. I'm sure if you can provide times and dates, along with the above, support would work quickly to fix the situation. It's been done before and I'm sure it will be done again.

Unfortunately, getting caught in the crossfire is one of the side effects when some selfish players take advantage, but I'd focus 100% of the blame on those cheating players who started this and not Anet. If hackers and bug exploiters wouldn't have created this in the first place, it wouldn't have created reasons for bannings.

My best wishes to those who did get caught in the cross fire and my hopes you have your account restored very soon. My not-so-best-wishes for the ones who knew exactly what was going on and those directly involved in creating this. There comes a time, hiding behind a comp screen or not, in which you must take responsibility for your own actions.

Rexion

Rexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

[Luck]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pochoWICKED
You are 100% right man.
Lol, this is what I get for taking Speech class. Knowing how to actually state my opinion, and pull factual evidence from the past/present to make my point sound good.

ANet has not done anything from exploits in the past, so why should they get so upset about a few 100 some that did a hack on Mallyx? Ferrying = instant-poof to the end of Nightfall. That is more intensive (imho) than just a boss kill.

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rexion
They are banning people for something that they left open.

The hidden outpost was still open when they were done testing. If they were actually using the right-mind, they should have closed it and/or deleted it.

In my humble opinion, every game will have people that find an exploit and feed off of it for personal benefit. This is no different than people ferrying, but they don't get banned.
ANet bans the few people that used this outpost, but still let the ferriers thrive, when it has been going on for months now.



As I said before, every game will have those that exploit and hack. It is unstoppable.

With all do respect, you might not agree with me, but I say it is ANet's fault 100%, not the people that just happened to find this.
I'm sorry for everyone who was banned, but how could they not know this?!?!?!?! Most people check wiki, and don't tell me you don't because even the most experienced players want to know what they're up against. Does wiki ever say of an outpost that takes you directly to the Citadel? If this outpost was legal why'd they have to take you through their guild hall? As for Mickey, my sympathies but going in a 2nd time messed up any chance you have.

I pwnd U

I pwnd U

God of Spammers

Join Date: Oct 2005

in the middle of a burning cornfield...

Scars Meadows [SMS] (Officer)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobalt
The problem might just be the whole area is in fact to damn tough thus players who want the good stuff from there start looking for easier ways to get it because they simply just can't the conventional way. This would make it just as much Anet's fault as the ban players.

I mean Anet created the scenario, hung the carrots out of most everyone's reach, what did they expect would happen?

They didn't hang the carrots out there. Yes they left it in the game but the odds of people actually finding it were rather slim in their eyes. Most people never would of figured that their would be a hidden outpost for this purpose. Someone did figure out and hacked it. Yes it probably was very inticing to the casual player who finally had a chance to beat Mallyx without going through all the trouble, BUT they should of found it fishy as many people have pointed out in this thread. As ANet had been messing with Mallyx a couple months ago that was probably still there in case they decided to buff or nerf him again. That way they could retest using that outpost instead of making a whole new one for the same purpose.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
With all do respect, you might not agree with me, but I say it is ANet's fault 100%, not the people that just happened to find this.
It's ANet's fault that their client got hacked?

You do not know what happened with that outpost. For all we know, ANet could have been actively testing in it, which would be the reason it was open. Even if they weren't actively testing in it, they weren't planning on someone hacking the client. I don't understand how you can think it's all ANet's fault. Personally I think you're just mad that you/someone you know got banned for violating the EULA.

Mickey

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

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Quote:
Originally Posted by freaky naughty
I'm sorry for everyone who was banned, but how could they not know this?!?!?!?! Most people check wiki, and don't tell me you don't because even the most experienced players want to know what they're up against. Does wiki ever say of an outpost that takes you directly to the Citadel? If this outpost was legal why'd they have to take you through their guild hall? As for Mickey, my sympathies but going in a 2nd time messed up any chance you have.
Yeah, I agree, I sort of RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed that one up. I am going to keep fighting for my account. Idk how now, but meh, Guild Wars has always treated me well, hopefully it will turn out well.

Chicken Ftw

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rexion
They are banning people for something that they left open.

The hidden outpost was still open when they were done testing. If they were actually using the right-mind, they should have closed it and/or deleted it.

With all do respect, you might not agree with me, but I say it is ANet's fault 100%, not the people that just happened to find this.
So wait. Because it was left in to be used, it's fine? If I kill a guy I hate with his dad's gun, is it suddenly his dad's fault for leaving the gun out where I could get to it? Sure, that's exaggerating, but it's essentially what you're saying.

Breaking the rules is breaking the rules, and if you do it consciously, you deserve to be punished.

Jake_Steel

Jake_Steel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Portland, OR

The Older Gamers (TOG)

N/Me

Doesn't it explicitly say they hacked the servers in some way to go there? Hacking servers/=/ Exploiting something left in the open environment....

Messy

Messy

huh?

Join Date: Jun 2005

Follow the rainbow, make a left and voila

Guildless

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rexion
they left the outpost open, they should have closed it when they were finished. it is ANets fault for even keeping it there... there will always be a person to use something that the Devs didn't get rid of... ANet should unban all of these people, or I will have lost respect for all they have done (not like I haven't already... since the game is getting boring as it is)
Anet does not have to do anything they don't want to do. It is THEIR server, and not for you to decide what they should do or not do with it. The post was not open to players but for them to use for testing purposes.

The people that accessed this place hacked ANET's servers, at least the party leader's did, and if I were ANET I would not only PERMA ban them, I would prosecute them. It is illegal!!

I honestly doubt ANET banned people that went there once as part of the group. I can understand somebody wondering " how the hell did this just happen??", but if by the second time you couldn't figure out there was something really wrong.... tough. Ignorance is not an excuse. If you asked the party leader "How the heck are you getting to Mallyx? " and they didn't explain, and you chose to stay there, go back, and rack up some more gems.. tough.

I am sure the 117 people banned were:
a) party leaders and hackers
b) REPEAT Offenders ( this rocks, let's do it again)
c) REPEAT Offenders ( this rocks, let's do it again)
d) all of the above

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Originally Posted by pochoWICKED
Yea I got banned too. Not Happy about it. A lot of 1337 people got banned for this. And I think we should have at least got a warning or something before a straight-up permanent ban. Whatever though, I just don't think it's right, because pretty much everyone involved in this has been playing for like 2 years and has spent a lot of money buying expansions, char slots, etc....

El Presidente

El Presidente

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Custer Was Ganked [7th]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Commander Ryker
The EULA was your warning.



You only have yourselves to blame. You shouldn't have done it, you knew it was against the rules. I have no sympathy for you at all.
Amen. Player X goes to an outpost that doesn't exist in the normal game by a means that was only accessible due to someone hacking the client... and for being somewhere they shouldn't have been (knowing it wasn't an area available to all players), taking advantage of said exploit for their own personal gain (no matter how small the monetary gain) and knowing full well that they face a permaban for violating the EULA...yet, thinking they should only get a warning instead??? I'd venture that a small percentage of those banned have complained about, reported, etc. all the bots, too...

thunderai

thunderai

Community Works Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Centre of the Aerodrome

R/Mo

Sounds like the right thing to do to me. Just wish I would have gotten the chance to see this place.


How many places like it are out there?

Taurucis

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The edge of reason

I don't play any more.

W/E

Who are these 1337 people?

IMO the 'sploiters got what they deserved. Seemed like they were dragging people down to Banland with them...

I don't think we should be pointing blame. People make mistakes. People are greedy. People want to see how far they can go without being caught. If we're going to blame something, blame huma nature.

Mickey

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe
Anet does not have to do anything they don't want to do. It is THEIR server, and not for you to decide what they should do or not do with it. The post was not open to players but for them to use for testing purposes.

The people that accessed this place hacked ANET's servers, at least the party leader's did, and if I were ANET I would not only PERMA ban them, I would prosecute them. It is illegal!!

I honestly doubt ANET banned people that went there once as part of the group. I can understand somebody wondering " how the hell did this just happen??", but if by the second time you couldn't figure out there was something really wrong.... tough. Ignorance is not an excuse. If you asked the party leader "How the heck are you getting to Mallyx? " and they didn't explain, and you chose to stay there, go back, and rack up some more gems.. tough.

I am sure the 117 people banned were:
a) party leaders and hackers
b) REPEAT Offenders ( this rocks, let's do it again)
c) REPEAT Offenders ( this rocks, let's do it again)
d) all of the above
Imagine you were in the situation of b and c. You had absolutely no idea that hacking/exploiting the game client was involved, you were thoroughly confused, but you were gaining money, and completely the quest line you had been working on a week to finish. Many of those people in C or B are in this same position.

Keekles

Keekles

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Floating amongst the ethereal seas of placating breezes.

Like A [Boss]

Mo/

Knowing that you're able to skip something that you should usually have to do should trigger a "Is this an exploit?" reaction from most sensible people imo. If you got banned for this, I don't feel sorry for you. I beat Mallyx the slow annoying way with my guild.

The way I see it, the "outpost" left in there would only be accessible with a hacked or GM/Dev account. Something that a player would normally not have access to. If I make a game, and set it up that standard players cannot access an outpost, I would personally see no reason to remove it (since they cannot normally access it), and if anybody who was not able to access it normally managed to access it, I would have them banned.

Use exploit, be banned.

Harmless

Harmless

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Uber Elite Rit Force of Justice Headquarters

What's a Guild? [LoL]

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Anyone that did the actual hacking deserves a ban.

However, just like with the duped items earlier, its easy to say people should have known, etc, when they actually didn't.

Mind reading is imperfect form of communication. People were ferried to the deep and urgoz routinely before the scrolls became available and there were no bannings from that. A casual player might not be aware that anything was wrong until it was too late.

So yes hackers should be banned.
Others should be assumed innocent until proven guilty.

Rexion

Rexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

[Luck]

E/

Ok, I'm re-reading everything I said and found a few flaws in my statements:

(a) I now believe it is a 50/50 on fault. ANet's fault for leaving the outpost open. People using the 3rd-party program for using the outpost.
(b) I believe that they should put more time and investigation into all of this than just smack BAN BAN BAN on those 100 some people. It is unfair that possibly 2/3 of the banned people were not even knowing that they were involved in hacking
(c) ANet has been allowing the use of ferrying for some time. They don't do anything about it. The GW-Economy is rising because more idiot players are using the map-exploit and ferrying people. ANet should crack down on the ferriers more than care about a 100 some that are hacking into a hidden outpost. The hackers aren't advertising "TAKING YOU TO HIDDEN OUTPOST TO KILL THE 4 LORDS AND MALLYX!!! WOOT WOOT!" like ferriers are.

It is sad how people resort to hacking to get extra money and such, but seriously... ANet left the outpost open to be thrived upon by players that were using/not using a 3rd-party program.

lishi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rexion
they left the outpost open, they should have closed it when they were finished. it is ANets fault for even keeping it there... there will always be a person to use something that the Devs didn't get rid of... ANet should unban all of these people, or I will have lost respect for all they have done (not like I haven't already... since the game is getting boring as it is)
it wasnt open. You needed a 3th party program to hack the game to do it.

IMO is like opening a door with a good pounce of explosive.

Pariah Hellfire

Pariah Hellfire

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

N/Mo

People that hack client side need to be banned.Testing areas should be removed completely before a "live build" goes online.

I can speak from experience (and I don't know if this totally applies in this situation)..but when coding for a Video Game,the code that's developed or even recycled is that of the programmer,it's almost like being robbed when someone does this stuff.

After watching coders trying to "terrain clamp" a model I had animated and made (for arguments sake),the bottles of Red Bull and time put into trying to code something that one can present and be proud of,only to have it "desecrated" for lack of a better term,must be exponentially aggrivating any time this happens.

People who hack like this have absolutely no clue how long and how much effort a team puts into coding a secure game environment...

I have ZERO compassion for anyone who got banned from this.Mallyx isn't an easy area to reach..it definitely takes time to get there..by then you should know exactly what to expect.."oh I didn't know"...bullsh*t.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Imagine you were in the situation of b and c. You had absolutely no idea that hacking/exploiting the game client was involved, you were thoroughly confused, but you were gaining money, and completely the quest line you had been working on a week to finish. Many of those people in C or B are in this same position.
You were mapped to an outpost that has never been around, and ANet haven't said anything about updates on the area. I think it's quite obvious that something is wrong about that situation.

Sorry, I just don't think anyone who went to the outpost and killed Mallyx were thinking that it was normal, and I do believe they were at fault.

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It is sad how people resort to hacking to get extra money and such, but seriously... ANet left the outpost open to be thrived upon by players that were using/not using a 3rd-party program.
They left it in game unreachable from the public. If players were able to see the outpost and map to it and ANet said "don't go to that outpost or you will get banned" I'd agree with you, but that's not the case. Someone had to hack the client to access it. The fact is it was found by a third party program, and nobody should have been there. Up until now nobody should have known about it. It's the communities fault for being blind and going to an outpost that nobody has ever been to before, and ANet have never mentioned before.

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rexion
ANet has not done anything from exploits in the past, so why should they get so upset about a few 100 some that did a hack on Mallyx? Ferrying = instant-poof to the end of Nightfall. That is more intensive (imho) than just a boss kill.
Mallyx takes 30 seconds to kill with ursans. The reward is 4 gems worth 19k a pop as a set. This is probably the first or second biggest money exploit in the game ever. If you think it's no big deal or Anet's fault that someone hacked, you're wrong on both counts.

I Is Special

I Is Special

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

NJ

To Gain Extra Mobility We Play [NUDE]

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Imo its good they got banned, and none of them should be unbanned unless they left when they got there because they knew the place had a foul stench of h4x.

Yeah, i'm mean!

Rexion

Rexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

[Luck]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lishi
it wasnt open. You needed a 3th party program to hack the game to do it.

IMO is like opening a door with a good pounce of explosive.
They, honestly, could have taken the code out of the game and saved it onto some storage device. Then used the code for a later date when it was necessary.

Yes, searching for all the coding for the one outpost is highly intensive, but still, it's better to take an outpost, that could cause a quick death to Mallyx, out of a game than let idiot kids hack into it.

Harrier's haste

Harrier's haste

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

ViLE

R/P

Just realize that people doesn't want getting 10000k and the next day they get banned. They want to commit "the crime" and way alway free........

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rexion
Ok, I'm re-reading everything I said and found a few flaws in my statements:

(a) I now believe it is a 50/50 on fault. ANet's fault for leaving the outpost open. People using the 3rd-party program for using the outpost.
(b) I believe that they should put more time and investigation into all of this than just smack BAN BAN BAN on those 100 some people. It is unfair that possibly 2/3 of the banned people were not even knowing that they were involved in hacking
(c) ANet has been allowing the use of ferrying for some time. They don't do anything about it. The GW-Economy is rising because more idiot players are using the map-exploit and ferrying people. ANet should crack down on the ferriers more than care about a 100 some that are hacking into a hidden outpost. The hackers aren't advertising "TAKING YOU TO HIDDEN OUTPOST TO KILL THE 4 LORDS AND MALLYX!!! WOOT WOOT!" like ferriers are.

It is sad how people resort to hacking to get extra money and such, but seriously... ANet left the outpost open to be thrived upon by players that were using/not using a 3rd-party program.
As said before, Anet can do whatever they want its their server. If Anet made this outpost so anyone could map to it, but warned everyone not to do it, then it's Anet's fault, if people are hacking to reach it it's a different story. Ferrying doesn't break the EULA, and isn't a very serious problem. There's a difference between getting run to consulate docks so you can get your 1337 1.5k armor, and skipping all the work for the hardest area ever invented in GW. Anet should take none of the blame.

pochoWICKED

pochoWICKED

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

[GoA]

Mo/

Hey!
we didn't hack or use 3rd party programs.
when u beat mallyx , somebody would go back to the guild hall and they could zone back into the town by pressing "LEAVE GUILD HALL".
They could take a party with them if they beat the 4 places in doa.

Ekelon

Ekelon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Rebel Rising [rawr]

A/W

Why do I get the feeling none of this would've ever happened if not for the person posting in the Bug section. This is a sad, sad, world. And for those of you who got banned, it would help explaining exactly what you did (no lies please) that made you associated with the exploit. I'm pretty sure Anet would not have banned you for doing nothing at all.

I have to admit that I'm a bit itchy on the part about Gaile saying that people hacked the client. I'm pretty sure this is virtually impossible to do. If there was a bug, I think it would've been merely in-game.

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by pochoWICKED
Hey!
we didn't hack or use 3rd party programs.
when u beat mallyx , somebody would go back to the guild hall and they could zone back into the town by pressing "LEAVE GUILD HALL".
They could take a party with them if they beat the 4 places in doa.
if they beat the 4 places? I don't understand that please elaborate, wasn't the whole problem of this that you could skip the 4 places?

Mickey

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

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Quote:
Originally Posted by I Is Special
Imo its good they got banned, and none of them should be unbanned unless they left when they got there because they knew the place had a foul stench of h4x.

Yeah, i'm mean!
I was told by people that I have known, and played with, for 1.5 years that there was no hacking or exploiting involved, and that it was just regular old farming. I've tried to get into DoA areas before, but being a Ranger, before Ursan, I just missed out. I jumped at the idea of finally farming DoA, with long time friends, and making some real money. I didn't think it through, I've never been to the Ebony Citadel, I didn't even know if or if not an outpost existed, I had thought it did because it was considered an elite mission, ALL OTHER ELITE MISSIONS have a Enter Mission button, I thought it was just another way to kill Mallyx. I should have caught the scent of something fishy when I could enter the Citadel twice, but I did not, and just kept on farming, remembering that my long-time friends told me that this was not a EULA breach, as far as I know. Alot of people are in the same position, you can argue all you want against something like this, like I posted, but the difference is now, and then.

Just a side question.

How many of you guys completely read the EULA before playing Guild Wars?

Keekles

Keekles

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Floating amongst the ethereal seas of placating breezes.

Like A [Boss]

Mo/

The fact that you were in someplace strange that was outside of the normal line of progression for the quest should hint to you that something is not right.

You made your own bed, now lie in it. If you were taken there, then use "Leave Guild Hall" to take other people there, then you are still exploiting a hack. Only that you are not the one with the actual 3rd party program.

Meta4ik

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

Border City Bandits

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Quote:
Originally Posted by lishi
it wasnt open. You needed a 3th party program to hack the game to do it.

IMO is like opening a door with a good pounce of explosive.
Whole Team Beats Mallyx One person goes straight to Gh others get the quests. one person ferries quest added team from gh. player gets quest team goes to pickup teams owns mallyx. Its how it went down with me.

Deep run.
Party wants to go to deep. Player ferries party to deep outpost. Ferry switchs chars party ferries original ferry. Welcome team to the deep.

Kurz FFF
4 points 4 players run each point Door takes quest reward didnt run the 4 points.
Exploit?

pochoWICKED

pochoWICKED

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

[GoA]

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I Just want Anet to know that no one was "hacking" Or Using"3rd party programs".
It was a glitch that Anet never fixed.
Say what you want now, but i'd say 80% of people would have done this glitch if they knew about it.