No wonder when few weeks ago I went to sell my mallyx shields and in euro dist someone was selling it for like 10-15k. I was like wtf! I thought these shields are rare and hard to get as I worked my ass off and finally after like 10 times of opening mallyx chest they finally dropped for me but I kept both shields and gave up idea of making any money off them.
imo, if someone was ferried there once with all 4 quests done, they should get their accounts back. If they went back there again for more mallyx freebie, then they brought it on themselves, esp if they're veteran players who should know better.
I'm really glad Anet took this step so if you earned mallyx stuff honestly, you won't get short end of stick. Anyways, Anet has bad QA but awesome logging. those guys who feel they were ferried should just send a report but if you went there again then it's kinda your fault.
[Dev Update] Exploits and Bans – 10 January 2008
hurric
Tom Swift
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Originally Posted by lishi
but they clearly said they where very careful on banning those.
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And have claimed to be "very careful" about banning in the past only to unban several who had been wrongfully banned.
Now, I wonder, who should I trust?
lol - my trust in anything ANet says disappeared a long long time ago.
-Sonata-
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Originally Posted by lishi
but they clearly said they where very careful on banning those.
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With that said, I still stand by an earlier statement in which I say that, without much doubt, I'm sure there are a few who are truly innocent in this matter -ie-A first time DoA'er who knows nothing about the ins and outs of the area and simply got caught up in the fiasco in a PUG. Yes, it's unlikely, but not impossible. I remember my first arrival in DoA. I had no clue what it involved and who Mallyx was and what it really takes to get to him. This type of scenario would probably be the only semi-valid reason I would have to have to lift the ban if I was in the position to do so.
So in the end, good riddance to those who knew something was out of the ordinary, or was directly involved. Our game is better off without them. To those who are truly caught, by mistake, in the cross fire, I hope you make it back soon.
VitisVinifera
this game is going the same path as Diablo 2.
I'd say in this case, both ends are wrong: anet for leaving this not-so-hidden outpost in the game (who's in charge at anet, seriously???!??!?), and the people who exploited it.
I just hope the people offering xx stacks of armbraces for whatever super rare mini find themselves involuntarily out of the bidding.
I'd say in this case, both ends are wrong: anet for leaving this not-so-hidden outpost in the game (who's in charge at anet, seriously???!??!?), and the people who exploited it.
I just hope the people offering xx stacks of armbraces for whatever super rare mini find themselves involuntarily out of the bidding.
pochoWICKED
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Originally Posted by stefke86
Honestly, i think when 117 people are smart enough to actually hack Anets servers I say, employ them, they'll probably do better that the current team out there.
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/pray
BTW it wasn't a hack.......=)
Shadows Soul Reaper
Ok I am sorry to say Why was 116 players banned for a using a Exploit ????
When Anet said they made the place to test and some one used a hack to get in there ok they should know who was the first in there as u know the 117 that have been banned and instead of banning the player u should give him a job of being the first player out of mils that play the game to hack it.
and why did Anet leave it open for the first person to hack it to get in it....
and no i am not one of the banned ...
When Anet said they made the place to test and some one used a hack to get in there ok they should know who was the first in there as u know the 117 that have been banned and instead of banning the player u should give him a job of being the first player out of mils that play the game to hack it.
and why did Anet leave it open for the first person to hack it to get in it....
and no i am not one of the banned ...
Molock
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Originally Posted by MsMassacre
Nobody familiar enough with the game to know who mallyx is can realistically claim to believe the shortcut to him was not cheating.
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Error of My Ways
I was one of the 117. I was told about the exploit from an ex-guildie of mine at that time he told me to come to his Guild Hall and see when I asked about details. I was very skeptical as to the means of obtaining this town in the first place. My party (of two others that were perma-banned) did 4 runs with and without the needed quests. After my findings I deleted all my quest rewards, removed my character from the outpost, and opened up a support ticket with Guild Wars Support and informed my alliance leaders to warn their guilds.
They said that they appreciated my findings and that people like me help keep the game running smooth. Two days later, I try and log on to my account and it says that I am permanently banned. This is what I get when I try and help? I got no reward for testing the exploit, only a ban and a kick in the face.
They said that they appreciated my findings and that people like me help keep the game running smooth. Two days later, I try and log on to my account and it says that I am permanently banned. This is what I get when I try and help? I got no reward for testing the exploit, only a ban and a kick in the face.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
this game is going the same path as Diablo 2.
I'd say in this case, both ends are wrong: anet for leaving this not-so-hidden outpost in the game (who's in charge at anet, seriously???!??!?), and the people who exploited it. |
...In which case, that's a smart move on ANet's part.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Shadows Soul Reaper
Ok I am sorry to say Why was 116 players banned for a using a Exploit ????
When Anet said they main the place to test and some one used a hack to get in there ok they should know who was the first in there as u know the 117 that have been banned and instead of banning the player u should give him a job of being the first player out of mils that play the game to hack it. and why did Anet leave it open for the first person to hack it to get in it.... and no i am not one of the banned ... |
they may know a thing or two about coding, but why would they trust him after he broke the agreement?
2) Nobody knows why it was still in the game, nobody knows how it was accessed. Using that as an argument is pointless because nobody has facts to prove someone wrong.
chaoticimajar
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Originally Posted by Shadows Soul Reaper
Ok I am sorry to say Why was 116 players banned for a using a Exploit ????
When Anet said they made the place to test and some one used a hack to get in there ok they should know who was the first in there as u know the 117 that have been banned and instead of banning the player u should give him a job of being the first player out of mils that play the game to hack it. and why did Anet leave it open for the first person to hack it to get in it.... and no i am not one of the banned ... |
freaky naughty
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Originally Posted by Molock
I have to agree with that.. people who were new to DoA however might of belived that the outpost was ligit, especially if they were only there for a few second and didn't notice that it was completely empty..
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Mickey
Duncan a few months ago?
To Freaky Naughty.
To Freaky Naughty.
chaoticimajar
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Originally Posted by Hk DavidV
Yes I was also banned for this. Yes 1 person did this and it spread everywhere and he did not hack the game all he did is make a prog to make you instantly go to the town when you click on an outpost.
All he did is go to DoA and gather up people and I just happen to be one of him and I never thought it would result like this. |
Lance Lloyd
I actually know like, I'll say 40 of the guys who got banned although i didn't even know the existence of this exploit myself. Maybe even more since I was in their alliance for some long months. And I honestly think that even if they SHOULDN'T have done that and that it is wrong, Anet can only blame themselves because they left that glitch. They gotta take their responsabilities.
I do think that the guys who did hack the programm ( if they even did coz no doubt some Anet peeps told people around them ) deserve getting a permanent ban, but no way the others should.
I also think that Anet should maybe more concentrate on getting all the thousands of bots banned, and the ip's aswell, but ofcourse they buy more games, so they don't say anything : GG anet.
Most of these players have spend a couple thousand hours each playing GW. And now they got banned because ANet isn't capable do do there job correctly. None of this would ever have happened if they corected this exploit when they had to.
I do think that the guys who did hack the programm ( if they even did coz no doubt some Anet peeps told people around them ) deserve getting a permanent ban, but no way the others should.
I also think that Anet should maybe more concentrate on getting all the thousands of bots banned, and the ip's aswell, but ofcourse they buy more games, so they don't say anything : GG anet.
Most of these players have spend a couple thousand hours each playing GW. And now they got banned because ANet isn't capable do do there job correctly. None of this would ever have happened if they corected this exploit when they had to.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Mistake? They could've had that outpost in the game for testing.
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Inde
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
...This hidden outpost existed strictly for testing purposes and was never accessible through normal play...
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Azarr#1
Why would they have an invisible town out there that a hacker could get into in the first place. I have an instinct that if theres a town for Mallyx then theirs a town for Dunkan that can be hacked and people can get into that and repeat him. where it is or how to get to him I have no clue Im no C++ program writer But if this game can be hacked as easily as people say it can then Maybe I should become one and Put 20 stacks of ecto on my account and sell the gold and make my personal life a bit easy from what I hear 200ectos goes for about 100dollars in real life. So Anet better get their act in gear and make it so people cant hack this game so easily. other wise nobody will play it anymore and these supposid test areas should gotten rid of.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Azarr#1
Why would they have an invisible town out there that a hacker could get into in the first place. I have an instinct that if theres a town for Mallyx then theirs a town for Dunkan that can be hacked and people can get into that and repeat him. where it is or how to get to him I have no clue Im no C++ program writer But if this game can be hacked as easily as people say it can then Maybe I should become one and Put 20 stacks of ecto on my account and sell the gold and make my personal life a bit easy from what I hear 200ectos goes for about 100dollars in real life. So Anet better get their act in gear and make it so people cant hack this game so easily. other wise nobody will play it anymore and these supposid test areas should gotten rid of.
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Venus Anu
if this is something they have known about for months like someone posted earlier and the bans only happened wednesday night, then they know who hacked it a month or so ago.
So did this person and a few of his buddies exploit the "hack"? and they only decided to ban people after it was publically posted? People went to check it out... banned.
So my question is who is the hacker affiliated with at Anet that they were able to do this for so long and get away with it?
So did this person and a few of his buddies exploit the "hack"? and they only decided to ban people after it was publically posted? People went to check it out... banned.
So my question is who is the hacker affiliated with at Anet that they were able to do this for so long and get away with it?
freaky naughty
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Originally Posted by Lance Lloyd
I actually know like, I'll say 40 of the guys who got banned although i didn't even know the existence of this exploit myself. Maybe even more since I was in their alliance for some long months. And I honestly think that even if they SHOULDN'T have done that and that it is wrong, Anet can only blame themselves because they left that glitch. They gotta take their responsabilities.
I do think that the guys who did hack the programm ( if they even did coz no doubt some Anet peeps told people around them ) deserve getting a permanent ban, but no way the others should. I also think that Anet should maybe more concentrate on getting all the thousands of bots banned, and the ip's aswell, but ofcourse they buy more games, so they don't say anything : GG anet. Most of these players have spend a couple thousand hours each playing GW. And now they got banned because ANet isn't capable do do there job correctly. None of this would ever have happened if they corected this exploit when they had to. |
Coridan
the main problem i have with this...is the people that were "dragged" or taken along to beat mallyx...yes then new it was an exploit...but they did not know it was a true "hack" why were they banned? because of an exploit?
Then how come all of the highend traders that traded items for duped armbraces back during the item dupe weren't banned...only those select few who actually did the duped were banned...not those who reaped the benefits tho...same with this... ban the ones that hacked don't ban the ones that didn't!
Then how come all of the highend traders that traded items for duped armbraces back during the item dupe weren't banned...only those select few who actually did the duped were banned...not those who reaped the benefits tho...same with this... ban the ones that hacked don't ban the ones that didn't!
Neo Nugget
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Originally Posted by freaky naughty
So Anet did its job badly because they banned people who hacked their servers and exploited this?
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Sooooooo.....yeah.
SerenitySilverstar
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Originally Posted by Shadows Soul Reaper
Ok I am sorry to say Why was 116 players banned for a using a Exploit ????
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You don't have to break down the door to commit a crime. It's called "Being an Accessory to".
However, I feel for the people who got banned after reporting the hack in true good faith (unless that is their "But this is MY story of innocence!!11).
Mickey
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Originally Posted by freaky naughty
So Anet did its job badly because they banned people who hacked their servers and exploited this? Come on, you're just defending them because they're people you knew. They are guilty of breaking the EULA terms and that in itself should be all there is to be able to ban someone. Most people knew it was illegal after the second time. Bots are being banned, there are just a massive number of them.
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stefke86
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
No programming is perfect. ANet were not planning on someone hacking the client. If GW was easy to hack, it would be hacked much more. But it isn't hacked a lot, so it's not that easy to hack.
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If what you say is true, then how did 117ppl all of a sudden got the allmighty power to hack that safe client.
Maybe those 117 super hackers should hack the client again and unban themselves.
Guess what, those 117 -1 real hacker, they can't do that, they can't hack the client, yet they got banned for that.
hello logic? Lost me there...
Hk DavidV
Yes I was one of the people that was dragged along not knowing what it was at first.
And I went along with my friends because they said they need people and I thought it was just some fun thing to try like The Deep and Urgoz.
And don't try to tell me if you had the chance to do this you wouldn't....I am just saying.
And I went along with my friends because they said they need people and I thought it was just some fun thing to try like The Deep and Urgoz.
And don't try to tell me if you had the chance to do this you wouldn't....I am just saying.
Azarr#1
Well how many of the C++ writers out there would actually take their time to hack this game 1 in a 1000 and there are hardly enough people that would hack this game for fun they do it for profit. Or so they can actually get the ingame items from the lucky people that can get them. or maybe that one person did this hack so that they could get the 3million gold needed to buy some max titles.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by stefke86
So you just contradicted yourself there Arkantos.
If what you say is true, then how did 117ppl all of a sudden got the allmighty power to hack that safe client. Maybe those 117 super hackers should hack the client again and unban themselves. Guess what, those 117 -1 real hacker, they can't do that, they can't hack the client, yet they got banned for that. hello logic? Lost me there... |
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Kook~NBK~
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Originally Posted by Error of My Ways
I was one of the 117. I was told about the exploit from an ex-guildie of mine at that time he told me to come to his Guild Hall and see when I asked about details. I was very skeptical as to the means of obtaining this town in the first place. My party (of two others that were perma-banned) did 4 runs with and without the needed quests. After my findings I deleted all my quest rewards, removed my character from the outpost, and opened up a support ticket with Guild Wars Support and informed my alliance leaders to warn their guilds.
They said that they appreciated my findings and that people like me help keep the game running smooth. Two days later, I try and log on to my account and it says that I am permanently banned. This is what I get when I try and help? I got no reward for testing the exploit, only a ban and a kick in the face. |
As for calling it an "exploit:" - Hogwash! It's a HACK. The guilty party leaders had to alter the game mechanics to create the method of abuse. Trying to soften it up by calling it a 'bug" or "exploit" is utter garbage.
To equate this with text-mod is also rather simplistic, too. Text-mod only affects what the player sees on their screen. It does not affect regular game-play in any way. This hack affects game play and has a negative effect on the game economy.
To the justifiably banned I say: Good riddance to bad rubbish!
Venus Anu
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ArenaNet knows of this and it is being worked on, don't spread how to do it.
I don't believe they do. I heard (yes, my 'source' again ) this exploit has been around for 6 months. SIX MONTHS. It wouldn't take that long to fix something this serious.
ProgTes
Academy Page
I took this from the original "BUG" poster.
Tell me this was a hack and not an employee slip..... they should retract the bans
Originally Posted by pablo24
ArenaNet knows of this and it is being worked on, don't spread how to do it.
I don't believe they do. I heard (yes, my 'source' again ) this exploit has been around for 6 months. SIX MONTHS. It wouldn't take that long to fix something this serious.
ProgTes
Academy Page
I took this from the original "BUG" poster.
Tell me this was a hack and not an employee slip..... they should retract the bans
stefke86
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Please tell me where I said GW is impossible to hack. I said it's possible to hack, but it's harder then the user is saying it is.
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'If GW was easy to hack, it would be hacked much more. But it isn't hacked a lot, so it's not that easy to hack.'
I didnt say that you said it was impossible.
HawkofStorms
While I'm glad A.net took quick action, the fact that this exploit was possible at all does severely shake my confidence in their server security. If somebody could access a test feature like this, what else could be broken into? Could somebody give themselves titles like rank 9 gamer or rank 14 hero (I know for a fact they test titles on the test servers)? All this really does open a can of wurms.
Curraheeec
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Originally Posted by Hk DavidV
And don't try to tell me if you had the chance to do this you wouldn't....I am just saying.
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My friends told me about this a few months ago and invited me to join but I declined. A lot of people wouldn't have done this even if the opportunity was presented to them.
SerenitySilverstar
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Originally Posted by freaky naughty
So Anet did its job badly because they banned people who hacked their servers and exploited this? Come on, you're just defending them because they're people you knew.
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There's teenage rebellion, and then there's just plain common sense. Come on Innocence Protesters, nut up. You do something wrong, you gotta suffer the consequences.
pochoWICKED
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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~
Just contact Support, and work it out with them. You should get your account back in no time. During the duping fiasco, a couple of guys worked out how it worked (on a red dye) and reported their findings to A-net. They were banned, but got their accounts back within hours.
As for calling it an "exploit:" - Hogwash! It's a HACK. The guilty party leaders had to alter the game mechanics to create the method of abuse. Trying to soften it up by calling it a 'bug" or "exploit" is utter garbage. To equate this with text-mod is also rather simplistic, too. Text-mod only affects what the player sees on their screen. It does not affect regular game-play in any way. This hack affects game play and has a negative effect on the game economy. To the justifiably banned I say: Good riddance to bad rubbish! |
It was only the first guy that "hacked" and created this mess.
Therefore 116 players should be unbanned.
Error of My Ways
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Arkantos
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Originally Posted by pochoWICKED
If it is a "HACK".
It was only the first guy that "hacked" and created this mess. Therefore 116 players should be unbanned. |
Tagne
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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~
Just contact Support, and work it out with them. You should get your account back in no time. During the duping fiasco, a couple of guys worked out how it worked (on a red dye) and reported their findings to A-net. They were banned, but got their accounts back within hours.
As for calling it an "exploit:" - Hogwash! It's a HACK. The guilty party leaders had to alter the game mechanics to create the method of abuse. Trying to soften it up by calling it a 'bug" or "exploit" is utter garbage. To equate this with text-mod is also rather simplistic, too. Text-mod only affects what the player sees on their screen. It does not affect regular game-play in any way. This hack affects game play and has a negative effect on the game economy. To the justifiably banned I say: Good riddance to bad rubbish! |
Correct me if i'm wrong but since when is clicking [Leave Guild Hall] a hack? Guilty party leaders? Are you kidding me? So.. 117 HACKERS decided to hack the game and just by chance they all hacked the same thing in the game?
Mickey
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
The other 116 abused the hack, they should and shall remain banned.
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