Meta4ik
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Originally Posted by Uber Mass
i think people are dumb enough to exploit with their primary account.. and not all of GW world has 2 accounts... and further back you can read that people with 2 accounts got both their accounts back..
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Meta4ik
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Originally Posted by Yichi
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=988
already pointed out that it should have been kind of blatently obvious..... |
lishi
erikjo
politicsxxox
Yichi
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Originally Posted by Meta4ik
Thats wiki on that post. Not what the quest says if im not mistaken.
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Fates
Meta4ik
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Originally Posted by lishi
Actually the main reason for banning those people isn't to punish them.
Its one of reason, but not the one anet care the most. The main reason to actually show to the communty they actually care. If they had only banned them temporaly i'm pretty sure many people would be angry. They said clearly the taken great care to avoid banning people who didnt know what was happening and made the run few times. For everone else yes, you deserve your ban. If anet didnt perma-ban people for past bug that was just because they made some math and figure out it wouldnt hurted much the community if they just closed the bug without taking action of accounts. In this case they choose to. |
Zeek Aran
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Originally Posted by lishi
Actually the main reason for banning those people isn't to punish them.
Its one of reason, but not the one anet care the most. The main reason to actually show to the communty they actually care. If they had only banned them temporaly i'm pretty sure many people would be angry. They said clearly the taken great care to avoid banning people who didnt know what was happening and made the run few times. For everone else yes, you deserve your ban. If anet didnt perma-ban people for past bug that was just because they made some math and figure out it wouldnt hurted much the community if they just closed the bug without taking action on accounts. In this case they choose to. |
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Originally Posted by Meta4ik
What about the accounts that were just being used as place holders that never physically used the outpost. Ive had friends that had their chars just sitting in the outpost incase we lost the outpost never doing the run and even never having to use the place holder. So why if they took "Great Care" to not ban those people were the account banned anyways. This isnt just one example im sure reading this post alone you'll be able to find many other people who didnt know exactly how the quest worked or had just done it once.
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Commander Ryker
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Originally Posted by Fates Monk
If they really cared, they probably shouldn't have accused 117 of "hacking" when it's pretty obvious they didn't.
I find Gaile's lack of presence in this thread extremely disturbing. It's kinda like "well, if we dont say anything, we can't be proven wrong and accused of lying. Let's just ignore it for the weekend and it'll go away." |
Clait
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Originally Posted by lishi
Actually the main reason for banning those people isn't to punish them.
Its one of reason, but not the one anet care the most. The main reason to actually show to the communty they actually care. If they had only banned them temporaly i'm pretty sure many people would be angry. They said clearly the taken great care to avoid banning people who didnt know what was happening and made the run few times. For everone else yes, you deserve your ban. If anet didnt perma-ban people for past bug that was just because they made some math and figure out it wouldnt hurted much the community if they just closed the bug without taking action on accounts. In this case they choose to. |
Meta4ik
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Originally Posted by Yichi
did you read the post or just look at the picture?
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-Sonata-
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Originally Posted by Fates Monk
If they really cared, they probably shouldn't have accused 117 of "hacking" when it's pretty obvious they didn't.
I find Gaile's lack of presence in this thread extremely disturbing. It's kinda like "well, if we dont say anything, we can't be proven wrong and accused of lying. Let's just ignore it for the weekend and it'll go away." |
Fates
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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker
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lishi
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Originally Posted by Meta4ik
What about the accounts that were just being used as place holders that never physically used the outpost. Ive had friends that had their chars just sitting in the outpost incase we lost the outpost never doing the run and even never having to use the place holder. So why if they took "Great Care" to not ban those people were the account banned anyways. This isnt just one example im sure reading this post alone you'll be able to find many other people who didnt know exactly how the quest worked or had just done it once.
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Zeek Aran
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Originally Posted by Fates Monk
Thanks for pointing out her post from 20 hours ago, long before the "hack" was explained.
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Originally Posted by lishi
Well, i suppose they checked the logs, found something fishy and then banned.
Maybe while he used the account he typed something like. "i will keep this char here as a place holders so if we need we can ferry more people if we need" If that wasnt true ask the support tu unban. |
lishi
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Originally Posted by Clait
Through this thread, its apparant that this isn't a small issue. People will be angry temp ban or perma-ban.
Considering Anet will not release the standard they use to ban people. How can you make the conclusion that these 117 bans were justified? |
lishi
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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran
Not everyone has been here for all 50 pages.
Theoretical question, if someone who was a part of this exploit had two accounts, and the player made it obvious he owned BOTH accounts, and one took part in the exploit fully while the other took NO PART in it whatsoever, are both banned? |
Yichi
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Originally Posted by Meta4ik
Both actually thing is what if you didnt know the exact process. The town does say elite mission. Maybe you havent see the actual town in picture or what have you but im sure youll find them here. it says elite mission, it shouldn't seem out of the ordinary seeing hows right after you face the boss of the entire quest. If you found yourslef in an outpost you didnt know how to get to but entered the mission and found a rediculous boss and the outpost said elite mission would you not go again if the pay off is good?
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SolidShadow
seut
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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran
Not everyone has been here for all 50 pages.
Theoretical question, if someone who was a part of this exploit had two accounts, and the player made it obvious he owned BOTH accounts, and one took part in the exploit fully while the other took NO PART in it whatsoever, are both banned? |
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
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Basically, if you get banned, your alt get banned too if they know you have them. Besides, i am fairly sure smarter people did it on alts which didn't get banned, otherwise there would be much more whining. |
Clait
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Originally Posted by Fates Monk
If they really cared, they probably shouldn't have accused 117 of "hacking" when it's pretty obvious they didn't.
I find Gaile's lack of presence in this thread extremely disturbing. It's kinda like "well, if we dont say anything, we can't be proven wrong and accused of lying. Let's just ignore it for the weekend and it'll go away." |
erikjo
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Originally Posted by Clait
Unfortunately for Anet, this wont just go away.
It is very revealing of some the business practices they have been doing recently. It reveals that they are unable to differentiate between a game hack, exploit or ferry. It reveals that they are impartial in their judgments. They ban some for cheating, and don't ban others for a similar offense. It reveals that they rather be dishonest then owe up to a programming error. It reveals that they rather ban a few people to scare the rest of the community into submission. It reveals a lack of respect to those players that are a cornerstone of the guild wars community. The banning of these individuals affect thousands of people they know and game with. It reveals a lack of consideration to the those posting on these forums and those appealing in support and through strangers in game. |
Malice Black
lishi
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Originally Posted by Clait
Unfortunately for Anet, this wont just go away.
It is very revealing of some the business practices they have been doing recently. It reveals that they are unable to differentiate between a game hack, exploit or ferry. It reveals that they are impartial in their judgments. They ban some for cheating, and don't ban others for a similar offense. It reveals that they rather be dishonest then owe up to a programming error. It reveals that they rather ban a few people to scare the rest of the community into submission. It reveals a lack of respect to those players that are a cornerstone of the guild wars community. The banning of these individuals affect thousands of people they know and game with. It reveals a lack of consideration to the those posting on these forums and those appealing in support and through strangers in game. |
myrealnameismatt
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
Is 56 pages of crap necessary?
It's just the normal conspiracy theories/BS anyway. |
SolidShadow
ProgTes
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Originally Posted by Clait
Unfortunately for Anet, this wont just go away.
It is very revealing of some the business practices they have been doing recently. It reveals that they are unable to differentiate between a game hack, exploit or ferry. It reveals that they are impartial in their judgments. They ban some for cheating, and don't ban others for a similar offense. It reveals that they rather be dishonest then owe up to a programming error. It reveals that they rather ban a few people to scare the rest of the community into submission. It reveals a lack of respect to those players that are a cornerstone of the guild wars community. The banning of these individuals affect thousands of people they know and game with. It reveals a lack of consideration to the those posting on these forums and those appealing in support and through strangers in game. |
Fates
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Originally Posted by lishi
Understand this.
Programming error are error. If you know anything of programming you will know they cannot be avoided. Any program have them. Expoiting that error is a bannable offence.... |
Dev121
rath no more
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Originally Posted by ProgTes
Oh come on, for zark's sake! As if it matters a wee bit if it is hack (which it is) or not, or a bug, it is an exploit, and got exploited! Is this A-nets fault? Of course not! The outpost had to be there and couldn't be removed or DoA would crash - fine, if that's how it works then leave it. If someone steals your car and a cop said to you: 'You shouldn't have bought a car in the first place' - a nice world it'd be!
Criminals get punished. Fight your case if your innocent, but if you're not, QQ me a river. A-nets system of detecting illegal behaviour is very good, we have already seen that at the dupefest and we see it once again. Really, in 6 months time, are there only 117 people who got in touch with this exploit? Of course not, there must have been way way more. And I don't think that they forgot about the others or couldn't track them or whatever - they must be really thorough on who they're banning and who not. This exploit was clearly illegal. It allowed you to pick up the reward of a quest that normally took you about 3 hours to complete in 10 minutes. What IS legal about that? Now I'm going to bed, I've had enough of this. Think whatever you want and QQ whatever you want, but I know this WAS a hack, I know it HAS been abused and silently I laugh at those who used it and thought they could get away with it. And to those who don't believe Gaile - get some sense. Someone like Gaile would not lie about something of this kind to the community. She's the community manager for Gods sake. If anyone would know what's going on, she would. And don't go talking about that mini-polar again. That was a mistake, but it's not stereotype behaviour that an A-net employee makes a mistake. Get some faith. |
Fates
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Originally Posted by ProgTes
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And to those who don't believe Gaile - get some sense. Someone like Gaile would not lie about something of this kind to the community. She's the community manager for Gods sake. If anyone would know what's going on, she would. And don't go talking about that mini-polar again. That was a mistake, but it's not stereotype behaviour that an A-net employee makes a mistake. Get some faith. |
Esan
maraxusofk
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Originally Posted by Fates Monk
If that is the case, why weren't the "map traveling ferries" banned? They too exploited an error. Why weren't the "Duncan ferries" banned? They too exploited an error. Both of these offenders exploited a programming error for profit, the same way the Mallyx people did.
I really dont have a problem with the Mallyx people getting banned. My problems are: 1. The inconsistencies in punishment. If you're going to perma ban one for profiting from an exploit, you need to perma ban all. If you're not going to perma ban all, then dont perma ban any. Give them a slap on the wrist, ban for a few days, take away their ill gotten gains. 2. The lie to us telling us that these people "hacked" their client to gain access to this outpost. Since when is pushing the "g" key a hack? Just come clean, dont lie to us. Just say they abused an exploit. |
garethporlest18
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Originally Posted by DeVaNeY121
Why dont they ban all of us so we can all contribute something to soceity.
L0ve rants about the economy thats worse than iraqs right now. |
chaoticimajar
lishi
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Originally Posted by Fates Monk
If that is the case, why weren't the "map traveling ferries" banned? They too exploited an error. Why weren't the "Duncan ferries" banned? They too exploited an error. Both of these offenders exploited a programming error for profit, the same way the Mallyx people did.
I really dont have a problem with the Mallyx people getting banned. My problems are: 1. The inconsistencies in punishment. If you're going to perma ban one for profiting from an exploit, you need to perma ban all. If you're not going to perma ban all, then dont perma ban any. Give them a slap on the wrist, ban for a few days, take away their ill gotten gains. 2. The lie to us telling us that these people "hacked" their client to gain access to this outpost. Since when is pushing the "g" key a hack? Just come clean, dont lie to us. Just say they abused an exploit. |
ProgTes
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Originally Posted by rath no more
haha, i swear you are such an idiot, its true u have to admit many people abused this glitch but you are nothing but a troll with no life my man.. anyone who comes in here without your train of thought is obviously wrong hah. all you ever really do is flame and when it comes down to it? the info you got was half ass from an unreliable source you didnt even know.. now go back to school learn how to share or something its pathetic.
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rath no more
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Originally Posted by lishi
Because like i before said : they decided letting the previus offence go wouldn't hurted the community.
In this case if they didnt anything the community would have been pissed. |