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then tell me the other millions of hack,of this magnitude , you can do in this game.
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[Dev Update] Exploits and Bans – 10 January 2008
rath no more
garethporlest18
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Because these didn't involve hacking the guild wars client to access an inaccessible outpost?
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DivineEnvoy
Guess a conclusion can be made at this point, although I personally believe 40pages of this thread was a waste.
There's an exploit which uses a similar ferrying method, but it yields up a much greater profit. This issue brings us an arguement. Is it right to do this, since it's similar to many other ferrying? Do we have to bann these abusers to ensure our gaming community and economy are safe?
It has been a quarrel; however, we can look at this situation from different perspectives. First of all, are all the ferryings really an exploit? Yes, because they are not intended by the developers. Now then, why aren't they fixed? They are good alternative options, and they do not harm the game economy enough to damage the game. Now we look at this exploit, we can see that it is so much easier to farm DoA with its existence to the point where many DoA contents have lost its values.
As many people have point out that this exploit is just the same as any others, and people weren't banned for abusing other exploits, that is true. However, the fact is, Anet has a high standard to which they would consider the action of banning an account to be conducted, but the point is, this standard is more or less just a privilege; it does not justify if anyone chooses to abuse it.
As many people have argued in this thread, they have repeatedly told us that they do not deserve the bann. However, can we really trust them? After all, I have been hearing people claiming that they have only done this once, then all of a sudden, after 10 pages, they did seven times. I really wonder how is it possible for them to abuse the exploit again after they are banned and the exploit has been fixed. My point is, there are a lot of lies made throughout this thread, and Anet is only acting based on their logs. It is not surprising that many of us would be in favor with Anet.
Also, I believe many people do not understand what an exploit is, and by abusing such exploit, they can get banned. Nevertheless, this is not a justification to abuse an exploit. We need to know that Anet has been giving the players many chances when exploits are abused, and in real life, cops are not this kind; if they suspect you of being commiting a crime, and you happen to be holding a stapler on your hand, you are likely to be tasered. If you happen to be one of the unlucky ones, in twenty four hours, it will be your funeral. My point is, you may lose your Guild Wars account today due to your lack of awareness, but you have gained the experience to prevent something much horrible from happening.
Realistically, my opinion doesn't really matter here; after all, it's Anet that holds the ultimately decision to what will happen to these 117 accounts. If you believe you have a strong appeal to support your objective of getting unbanned, good luck to you, and I hope you get your account back. However, if you are one of those people who just abused this exploit to the point of no return, it's a tragic, but at least you learned something today.
To be honest, it seems to be logical to just not go to DoA.
There's an exploit which uses a similar ferrying method, but it yields up a much greater profit. This issue brings us an arguement. Is it right to do this, since it's similar to many other ferrying? Do we have to bann these abusers to ensure our gaming community and economy are safe?
It has been a quarrel; however, we can look at this situation from different perspectives. First of all, are all the ferryings really an exploit? Yes, because they are not intended by the developers. Now then, why aren't they fixed? They are good alternative options, and they do not harm the game economy enough to damage the game. Now we look at this exploit, we can see that it is so much easier to farm DoA with its existence to the point where many DoA contents have lost its values.
As many people have point out that this exploit is just the same as any others, and people weren't banned for abusing other exploits, that is true. However, the fact is, Anet has a high standard to which they would consider the action of banning an account to be conducted, but the point is, this standard is more or less just a privilege; it does not justify if anyone chooses to abuse it.
As many people have argued in this thread, they have repeatedly told us that they do not deserve the bann. However, can we really trust them? After all, I have been hearing people claiming that they have only done this once, then all of a sudden, after 10 pages, they did seven times. I really wonder how is it possible for them to abuse the exploit again after they are banned and the exploit has been fixed. My point is, there are a lot of lies made throughout this thread, and Anet is only acting based on their logs. It is not surprising that many of us would be in favor with Anet.
Also, I believe many people do not understand what an exploit is, and by abusing such exploit, they can get banned. Nevertheless, this is not a justification to abuse an exploit. We need to know that Anet has been giving the players many chances when exploits are abused, and in real life, cops are not this kind; if they suspect you of being commiting a crime, and you happen to be holding a stapler on your hand, you are likely to be tasered. If you happen to be one of the unlucky ones, in twenty four hours, it will be your funeral. My point is, you may lose your Guild Wars account today due to your lack of awareness, but you have gained the experience to prevent something much horrible from happening.
Realistically, my opinion doesn't really matter here; after all, it's Anet that holds the ultimately decision to what will happen to these 117 accounts. If you believe you have a strong appeal to support your objective of getting unbanned, good luck to you, and I hope you get your account back. However, if you are one of those people who just abused this exploit to the point of no return, it's a tragic, but at least you learned something today.
To be honest, it seems to be logical to just not go to DoA.
SolidShadow
Guys , once again keep it real, if you want to put these ppl down read there offence first.
Dont speculate things and plz keep it real.
Dont speculate things and plz keep it real.
Harrier's haste
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Note: This post is meant to clarify what me and a lot of my in-game friends actually involved ourselves in when we were performing this so-called exploit. What I say in this post only reflects what I and the people I farmed with did and I can not be certain for all 117 of those initially banned, however I personally know at least 30 of those that were affected. I have not posted this to start more flaming, only to inform the people that dont really know what happened with this glitch. Also, I am only posting this because I'm sick of the Dev Update Thread on this topic where 99% of the people posting have no clue what it the glitch actually entails.
Also: I did this glitch for a couple hours everyday, since mid-november, and farmed 15 armbraces, that's my credibility on the subject. First off, I myself nor anyone I farmed Mallyx with have never hacked Guild Wars client, and yet I was still able to farm The Ebony Citadel of Mallyx, or monkey farm as my groups of friends like to call it. I was approached by someone who I had been playing with for over a year now, saying he was just showed by his guildies, this awesome Mallyx farm, involving an outpost that takes you right to the Ebony Citadel mission without having to kill the four lords. Of course I was interested on how it was done. I've been a big Guild Wars player for over a year and a half now, and I felt it was my turn to farm some cash before this bug got fixed. To me, it was no different, and a little less profitable than the Heart Of The Shiverpeaks Chest Run when GW:EN first came out. You and a bunch of friends run to the end of the dungeon, drop a bunch of barrels on a giant worm, collect a dungeon chest that was 40% onyx gemstones, which were worth 10k each at the time. The run took 5-7 minutes, and it got nerfed pretty quick once people caught on. (I made more money doing this in that one week than I ever did farming mallyx in 1 week, did I get perma-banned for that?) Anyway, I got guested to a guild hall he brought me to this 'glitch' outpost with an enter mission button. We threw in our heros, and pressed the Enter Mission button to start at the beginning of the Ebony Citadel of Mallyx. This is another misconception, we weren't teleported right to Mallyx, killed him in 30 seconds and got our gemsets. We still had to fight for 10-15 minutes against all the groups that rushed in. Then once all the spawning groups were killed and we went and faced Mallyx. Killed him. Collected our reward from the High Priest from the Mallyx the Unyielding Quest obtained in the Gate of Anguish. From there, we would have 1 person go the guildhall everyone else go pick up the quest again. We would get back to the guildhall, he would ferry us all back to the glitch town, the group would go back to the guildhall while the last person grabs the quest. Ferry the last person from the guildhall to the glitch town and start the mission all over again. It would take about 20 minutes from enter mission to enter mission, and the reward each time was a single gemset. I've known and been actively doing this glitch since mid-November and farmed 15 armbraces. Never once getting Coffers, only trading 15 gemsets for armbraces. Now 15 armbraces is a lot, but its a lot less than what people are thinking. There is only person I can think of that *may* have farmed more than I did, but thats of the ~30/117. For a fact i know about half of the people I know farmed 5 or less armbraces, including some that only did 5 gemsets and still got banned. On another note, there are no innocent parties, Anet spared those that actually didn't participate. My alt account for one had the scenario where it was taken there, and never did any runs. I left my alt accounts necro 'parked' there to ferry us if we didnt have anyone that could ferry online. It did not get touched by the ban because it never once completed the mission from the glitch outpost, however did enter the mission from the outpost. So all the people that are complaining that oh they got pulled there and they knew it was wrong, left the team and never went back there are lying. They would have missed the ban just like my alt account did. Now that you are informed what went on in the glitch, you can make an accurate opinion on whether or not a permanent ban is a just punishment. I would like you to remember, however, that there are plenty of people out there that did not get caught 'duping' armbraces and ectos or they got caught and unbanned. How do I deserve the same punishment as people that duped stacks upon stacks of armbraces. And there were people that client hacked items into pre-searing, is it just that I get the same punishment. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed some insider insight =]. EDIT: Spelling / Grammar |
Still, greed kills. You did it, you gotta pay for it. NO matter how many gemsets you farmed. There is a moral side to this as well. Anet doesn't want to have game addicts playing their game who always tries to find ways to enrich themselves while kills the game economy. Well, Imo anyways
But sorry, you took advantage of this, now you have to pay for what you did.
rath no more
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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy
Guess a conclusion can be made at this point, although I personally believe 40pages of this thread was a waste.
There's an exploit which uses a similar ferrying method, but it yields up a much greater profit. This issue brings us an arguement. Is it right to do this, since it's similar to many other ferrying? Do we have to bann these abusers to ensure our gaming community and economy are safe? It has been a quarrel; however, we can look at this situation from different perspectives. First of all, are all the ferryings really an exploit? Yes, because they are not intended by the developers. Now then, why aren't they fixed? They are good alternative options, and they do not harm the game economy enough to damage the game. Now we look at this exploit, we can see that it is so much easier to farm DoA with its existence to the point where many DoA contents have lost its values. As many people have point out that this exploit is just the same as any others, and people weren't banned for abusing other exploits, that is true. However, the fact is, Anet has a high standard to which they would consider the action of banning an account to be conducted, but the point is, this standard is more or less just a privilege; it does not justify if anyone chooses to abuse it. As many people have argued in this thread, they have repeatedly told us that they do not deserve the bann. However, can we really trust them? After all, I have been hearing people claiming that they have only done this once, then all of a sudden, after 10 pages, they did seven times. I really wonder how is it possible for them to abuse the exploit again after they are banned and the exploit has been fixed. My point is, there are a lot of lies made throughout this thread, and Anet is only acting based on their logs. It is not surprising that many of us would be in favor with Anet. Also, I believe many people do not understand what an exploit is, and by abusing such exploit, they can get banned. Nevertheless, this is not a justification to abuse an exploit. We need to know that Anet has been giving the players many chances when exploits are abused, and in real life, cops are not this kind; if they suspect you of being commiting a crime, and you happen to be holding a stapler on your hand, you are likely to be tasered. If you happen to be one of the unlucky ones, in twenty four hours, it will be your funeral. My point is, you may lose your Guild Wars account today due to your lack of awareness, but you have gained the experience to prevent something much horrible from happening. Realistically, my opinion doesn't really matter here; after all, it's Anet that holds the ultimately decision to what will happen to these 117 accounts. If you believe you have a strong appeal to support your objective of getting unbanned, good luck to you, and I hope you get your account back. However, if you are one of those people who just abused this exploit to the point of no return, it's a tragic, but at least you learned something today. To be honest, it seems to be logical to just not go to DoA. |
rath no more
and this is from thier customer support as well. im not worried if i wanted back in i would be.. but not everyone is in the same boat now are they.
garethporlest18
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Originally Posted by rath no more
and this is from thier customer support as well. im not worried if i wanted back in i would be.. but not everyone is in the same boat now are they.
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Anet won't do that though because they do not want to lose customers for Guild Wars 2.
garethporlest18
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Originally Posted by Meta4ik
Ding ding ding we have another person who doesnt read before replying Congratz. Of the 117 how many people have actually hacked something. probably 3 max
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rath no more
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Originally Posted by garethporlest18
But they violated the EULA they shouldn't be let back in. But..neither should we, who used exploits in the passed and didn't get banned, be let back in either. Because as many have said, they didn't get banned for hacking they got banned for exploiting.
Anet won't do that though because they do not want to lose customers for Guild Wars 2. |
this is a game corporation not a small gaming company with no clout.
NxAxSxTxY
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Originally Posted by Harrier's haste
But sorry, you took advantage of this, now you have to pay for what you did.
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SolidShadow
Jep especially when your a high experienced player spending around 10.000hours ingame knowing all tips/tricks around.
Fact is some people know more stuff wich is going around then developers themselfs just for the fact there putting more time and effort in to that.
Fact is some people know more stuff wich is going around then developers themselfs just for the fact there putting more time and effort in to that.
warcrap
i went to my friends house and we were taking there by someone lvl 20 with full purples i hope he doesnt get banned because it wasnt his fault.
rath no more
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Originally Posted by warcrap
i went to my friends house and we were taking there by someone lvl 20 with full purples i hope he doesnt get banned because it wasnt his fault.
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lishi
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Originally Posted by garethporlest18
According to Pablo (who could probably destroy all our PCs/Anet's servers if he was eveel) nothing was hacked. Of course I could have just read wrong among all the crap being talked by both sides (mostly the right side though, IE players for the ban).
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So who we have to trust?
SolidShadow
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there was 1 guy who made a 3rd party program, everyone else in the districts got involved and 13year old kids messing up this thread.
Arch the
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Originally Posted by lishi
According to the devs there was.(note, im not saying everone who made to the outpost did the hack)
So who we have to trust? |
well the Devs banned me so i'd trust pablo
rath no more
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Originally Posted by lishi
According to the devs there was.
So who we have to trust? |
Gaile Gray
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Originally Posted by Inde
Except it's not really their mail is it? It's ncsoft
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and goes through about 5 levels of NCsoft before anyone at ANet even sees it.
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I should clarify, perhaps. The Support system is perfectly fine for sending reports of exploits, as well. The team is watchful for such things and refers them to us quickly. But using that system is not the only option. For major issues like exploits, the [email protected] address is certainly an acceptable place to send such things. Putting "Potential Exploit" in the subject line is even more helpful. Using that address is a far, far better option than posting on a public forum and better than sending a PM or trying to message someone in the game.
Saphrium
Very conservative ban indeed. Anet rules the world of online MMO again.
To ban these exploiters with such detailed investigation, such conservative measures, and do this much explanations is all that I ever could hope for a gaming company.
Then again there are people who complains anyway, and Anet will hear more complains from them because they are the literal "one-step-up hardcore players", and thanks to the business model Anet adapted, they can ban them without a grief, as they contribute absolutely nothing to neither the gaming community nor business revenue.(As least WoW needs to think about maybe 30-40 monthly subscription money by this single exploiter.)
Thank you for taking the effort to make the community better even when GW is a 3-year-old product.
Save Anet, save the world. XD
Sincerely,
To ban these exploiters with such detailed investigation, such conservative measures, and do this much explanations is all that I ever could hope for a gaming company.
Then again there are people who complains anyway, and Anet will hear more complains from them because they are the literal "one-step-up hardcore players", and thanks to the business model Anet adapted, they can ban them without a grief, as they contribute absolutely nothing to neither the gaming community nor business revenue.(As least WoW needs to think about maybe 30-40 monthly subscription money by this single exploiter.)
Thank you for taking the effort to make the community better even when GW is a 3-year-old product.
Save Anet, save the world. XD
Sincerely,
garethporlest18
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Originally Posted by SolidShadow
go back to page 1 and start reading, most people didnt know they where wrong and the one making this complains cant proof it.
there was 1 guy who made a 3rd party program, everyone else in the districts got involved and 13year old kids messing up this thread. |
Damn Saphrium you're like those people who get led astray by wolves in sheeps clothing.
Harrier's haste
Here is the thing:
People who got banned:
Hated Anet for banning their account They are on fire(mad, enojadan)
People who didn't get banned:
Gj for Anet on cleaning out 117 hackers!
And then........
FLAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>.>---^---<.<
People who got banned:
Hated Anet for banning their account They are on fire(mad, enojadan)
People who didn't get banned:
Gj for Anet on cleaning out 117 hackers!
And then........
FLAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>.>---^---<.<
erikjo
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Originally Posted by rath no more
haha, i swear you are such an idiot, its true u have to admit many people abused this glitch but you are nothing but a troll with no life my man.. anyone who comes in here without your train of thought is obviously wrong hah. all you ever really do is flame and when it comes down to it? the info you got was half ass from an unreliable source you didnt even know.. now go back to school learn how to share or something its pathetic.
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pablo24
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Originally Posted by lishi
According to the devs there was.(note, im not saying everone who made to the outpost did the hack)
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Harrier's haste
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Originally Posted by garethporlest18
I've read most of this thread already and I know some didn't know, I was talking about the people who did know. Furthermore I'm saying that Anet shouldn't just ban one wrong and leave all the others go free. Ban them all or don't ban at all.
Damn Saphrium you're like those people who get led astray by wolves in sheeps clothing. |
SolidShadow
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All those people who hooked up with are the guys who got dragged into this.
So far i know if it wasnt stopped directly the whole community was doing it, wich is kinda shame cause if they did those 112 guys werent in so much trouble now.
So far its just injustice, it hit the people who found out first whom certainly are the top line of the guildwars players around always knowing whats going on in the guildwars world.
truzo 117
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Originally Posted by Harrier's haste
Here is the thing:
People who got banned: Hated Anet for banning their account They are on fire(mad, enojadan) People who didn't get banned: Gj for Anet on cleaning out 117 hackers! And then........ FLAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>.>---^---<.< |
You just dont read. no one hacked or used a 3rd party tool of any kind.
rath no more
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I couldn't let this go, this is one of the most incoherent pieces of trash i have read in a while. Instead of insulting him, maybe you should work on your own thought processes first.
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saopaulo
Can we close this thread please.
For all the 117 banned players stop posting here , none of these forum people can help you.
Contact The Guild Wars Support Team as Gail said and tell your stories.
As for me this is the end of my Guild Wars epic.
I would thank Anet for giving me 3 years of fun playing this game and I enjoyed every second of it.
How unfair it is for me and some other players I truly believe Anet is doing a great job to protect the Guild Wars community. I say keep up the banning of serious exploiters and hackers and do it the right way this time XD.
P.S
For all friends who got me in their friend list please remove me because I aint coming back .
*V*
~I None Shall Pass I~
For all the 117 banned players stop posting here , none of these forum people can help you.
Contact The Guild Wars Support Team as Gail said and tell your stories.
As for me this is the end of my Guild Wars epic.
I would thank Anet for giving me 3 years of fun playing this game and I enjoyed every second of it.
How unfair it is for me and some other players I truly believe Anet is doing a great job to protect the Guild Wars community. I say keep up the banning of serious exploiters and hackers and do it the right way this time XD.
P.S
For all friends who got me in their friend list please remove me because I aint coming back .
*V*
~I None Shall Pass I~
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Originally Posted by truzo 117
You just dont read. no one hacked or used a 3rd party tool of any kind.
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SolidShadow
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The Great Ithqua
this thread so gone so long that i dont have time to read all 60 pages, i was one of the 117 people that gone ban, went there twice got only crap drops from mobs and some cash we didnt even get the door open. Here's what =i felt when i first knew about this, of course i was shock then i said how was this possible my party said they had no idea, obviously the party leader had a monk parked there.i find it very hard to believe but they said its perfectly normal.(FYI i think i was one of the guild alliance of that guild that knew this well maybe )
i dont mind you calling me stupid but i didnt knew the outpost was a bug/hack there was any word that says bug or anything ,until the day before yesterday when my account was ban and i came here to read .i have no solid evidence to back up my story but i believe Anet will give me a fair answer(hopefully)but if it doesnt i will just go play CabalSea.
i dont mind you calling me stupid but i didnt knew the outpost was a bug/hack there was any word that says bug or anything ,until the day before yesterday when my account was ban and i came here to read .i have no solid evidence to back up my story but i believe Anet will give me a fair answer(hopefully)but if it doesnt i will just go play CabalSea.
NxAxSxTxY
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Originally Posted by Harrier's haste
Gj for Anet on cleaning out 117 hackers!
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~Nasty
rath no more
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Originally Posted by saopaulo
Can we close this thread please.
For all the 117 banned players stop posting here , none of these forum people can help you. Contact The Guild Wars Support Team as Gail said and tell your stories. As for me this is the end of my Guild Wars epic. I would thank Anet for giving me 3 years of fun playing this game and I enjoyed every second of it. How unfair it is for me and some other players I truly believe Anet is doing a great job to protect the Guild Wars community. I say keep up the banning of serious exploiters and hackers and do it the right way this time XD. P.S For all friends who got me in their friend list please remove me because I aint coming back . *V* ~I None Shall Pass I~ |
SolidShadow
what do you expect, its friday. the real people who can fix this thing of wrong bans are sleeping or preparing for weekend. well see them unbanned monday i bet.
rath no more
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Originally Posted by SolidShadow
what do you expect, its friday. the real people who can fix this thing of wrong bans are sleeping or preparing for weekend. well see them unbanned monday i bet.
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Harrier's haste
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Originally Posted by NxAxSxTxY
I would love to know how I hacked Guild Wars running the game client they provided for me. Sure I was in an outpost that was meant for developers only, but I got there by using a game client ArenaNet and NCSoft provided for me. Nothing else. Maybe the first person to get the outpost did hack (I dont know who did, I really don't care), but it is posts like this that make all 117 look like bad guys, when in fact I use the same Game File you use. I'm no angel, but I'm sure no hacker either.
~Nasty |
Here is the thing:
People who got banned:
Hated Anet for banning their account They are on fire(mad, enojadan)
People who didn't get banned:
Gj for Anet on cleaning out 117 hackers!
And then........
FLAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>.>---^---<.<
THere ya go? Happy? No pointing fingers, outline. And i might as well:
Outline-A general description covering the main points of a subject.
Happy?
dkn doko
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Originally Posted by NxAxSxTxY
I would love to know how I hacked Guild Wars running the game client they provided for me. Sure I was in an outpost that was meant for developers only, but I got there by using a game client ArenaNet and NCSoft provided for me. Nothing else. Maybe the first person to get the outpost did hack (I dont know who did, I really don't care), but it is posts like this that make all 117 look like bad guys, when in fact I use the same Game File you use. I'm no angel, but I'm sure no hacker either.
~Nasty |
~Roman
w00t!
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Note, I said it *could* have happened without a hack.
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Tarun
Fix/close the "exploit" and simply remove the items/gold from that period. Simple. No bans necessary, unless they're feeling lazy.