[Dev Update] Exploits and Bans – 10 January 2008

Zehnchu

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 02:56 - 1081
Quote:
Originally Posted by capblye
If you want to use a Real World analogy, then please make it accurate.
This would be more like the Judge taking away my car for a parking in a no parking zone.
Thats is not what would happen. I would get a fine and pay it.
These people are having their cars taken away completely.
Big difference.
Here's a better one,

You signed a legal contract stating if you break the rules you will accept the punishment.

Once you pressed the “I agree” button you agreed to follow and EULA and punishment if you broke the rules, if you didn’t agree to the TOS you shouldn’t have agreed and pressed the cancel button.

capblye

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

KoH

W/N

12 Jan 2008 at 02:56 - 1082
Quote:
Originally Posted by truzo 117
you are right there, but they will still notify you and you would be able to get it back- just like you should with the accounts
Exactly.
Permanently banning them is just overkill.

erikjo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

exct

N/

12 Jan 2008 at 02:56 - 1083
Quote:
Originally Posted by capblye
Son,
Someday you'll be a big boy and have to get a job of your own ... mommy cant support you forever.
When that day comes, youll appreciate what im saying a lot more.
Until then, please just sit back and let the grown folks talk ok?
Thanks ever so much.
Again with the pathetic stereotypes.

Chicken Ftw

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

12 Jan 2008 at 02:57 - 1084
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
I would, but I was banned from marriage because I used an exploit to get into my ex-wife's hidden outpost. Fight the system!
Ahaha. My dirty mind made this statement so win.

Side note - I quit reading on like page 11. Are the same "but people weren't banned for doing Y" and "I didn't know anything was up, honest!" arguments still being used?

Messy

Messy

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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Guildless

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12 Jan 2008 at 02:57 - 1085
Quote:
Originally Posted by capblye
If you want to use a Real World analogy, then please make it accurate.
This would be more like the Judge taking away my car for a parking in a no parking zone.
Thats is not what would happen. I would get a fine and pay it.
These people are having their cars taken away completely.
Big difference.
actually.... they still have their cars.... they just don't have access to any roads to drive them on.

Jake_Steel

Jake_Steel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Portland, OR

The Older Gamers (TOG)

N/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 02:57 - 1086
Quote:
Originally Posted by truzo 117
you are right there, but they will still notify you and you would be able to get it back- just like you should with the accounts
Except the car was rented (ie your access to the GW servers is rescindable at ANY time by Anet for violations) so it is returned to Avis.

Azarr#1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

IOWA

swat

Mo/

12 Jan 2008 at 02:57 - 1087
Quote:
Originally Posted by truzo 117
you are right there, but they will still notify you and you would be able to get it back- just like you should with the accounts
your right you make one mistake in real life get sent to jail you still get a second chance to prove yourself that your not a real criminal. Everyone thinks you screw up once that you should go to jail for life or even be killed off.

explodemyheart

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

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Indiana

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Mo/

12 Jan 2008 at 02:59 - 1088
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw
Ahaha. My dirty mind made this statement so win.
At least I'm not alone.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw
Side note - I quit reading on like page 11. Are the same "but people weren't banned for doing Y" and "I didn't know anything was up, honest!" arguments still being used?
Yes, pretty much. A few more people have joined in, but it's more or less the same. It's laughable, at best.

Yang Whirlwind

Yang Whirlwind

~ Retired ~

Join Date: Nov 2005

Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1)

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12 Jan 2008 at 02:59 - 1089
Quote:
Originally Posted by capblye
But to take away something from them they paid real money for? Nonsense.
Playing Guild Wars is not a PRIVELGE to the players. They paid for it in cash.
Playing Guild Wars is a GIFT to Anet. They paid someones salary.
Let's not forget that.
If you violate the rules in a club or at a ball game,- do you get a refund when they throw you out? I don't think so!
Do the bar owners or clubs appreciate your patronage: sure,- as long as you follow the clearly stated rules! If not,- it's the bums rush and good riddance!

It is very clearly stated in the legal mumbo jumbo that you do not actually buy a game, you buy the right to access a game as long as you do not violate the rules, etc. etc.!
The people who hacked the client (if that is what happened), clearly broke the rules and therefore forfeit any rights they purchased to play the game!

As for the users that "merely" took advantage of a possibility to profit from a violation committed by others,- well: according to the law in most countries, the fence is as guilty as the thief!
If some of the people banned didn't actually know or suspect that they were involved in a serious violation, they should probably have their accounts restored, but I find it difficult to believe you guys posting here can sort out what's what from where you sit!
I do hope Anet is serious when they say they are reviewing each complaint carefully!
Since I have not been to this secret outpost I can't really say how likely it is for seasoned players to have been there without figuring something was seriously wrong (as opposed to plain wrong )
Let's not forget that there has been several incidents in the past where you, due to some glitch, were able to access a place otherwise inaccessible from your point of origin (GH from pre-sear fx.) - the people who took advantage of these bugs didn't get Perma Banned from the game as far as I know.

I also hope people will hold back their (in my opinion) rash reactions to the bans until everything is sorted out and all complaints have been reviewed.

I for one fully understand and appreciate the need for the policy of ban-first-sort-out-later, that Gaile has clearly explained the reasons for (god knows how many times)!

When something like this happens, it's easy for all parties to over react and make snap judgments, hopefully there will not be any injustices left unanswered when the smoke clears from this mess.

Just my 2-cents worth!

capblye

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

KoH

W/N

12 Jan 2008 at 03:00 - 1090
Quote:
Originally Posted by erikjo
Again with the pathetic stereotypes.
Stereotype or not, I pegged you didnt I?
We can flame all night if you like ... or you can simply accept that you have no right to judge anyone.
Your claiming i stereo typing ... but all im really doing is giving you exactly what youve dished out.
You stereo typed all of the people that got banned without knwoing all of the facts, but i cant stereo type you? btw, if the stereotype fits ....

erikjo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

exct

N/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:00 - 1091
Quote:
Originally Posted by quicksilv3r
you are right my friend this is a tragedy, and u are here doing nothin. with your finger up your !@#$%. stand up and be heard around this online world.
they didnt have ban them. this is a tragedy
This is NOT a tragedy. The fact that you think it is is pretty sad. You need to grow up and look at the world around you. This is a freakin game, and if you need it to boost your ego and life then a banning is the least of your worries.

pablo24

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2007

12 Jan 2008 at 03:00 - 1092
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/117_%28number%29

Meta4ik

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

Border City Bandits

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12 Jan 2008 at 03:00 - 1093
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zehnchu
Here's a better one,

You signed a legal contract stating if you break the rules you will accept the punishment.

Once you pressed the “I agree” button you agreed to follow and EULA and punishment if you broke the rules, if you didn’t agree to the TOS you shouldn’t have agreed and pressed the cancel button.
Maybe you should read the Eula yourself because from our stand point we didnt do anything wrong. The outpost was looked legit. We just seriously went out of our way to keep that outpost. No one knew how we got it just that we had it and we want to keep it that way.

Jake_Steel

Jake_Steel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Portland, OR

The Older Gamers (TOG)

N/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 03:01 - 1094
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azarr#1
your right you make one mistake in real life get sent to jail you still get a second chance to prove yourself that your not a real criminal. Everyone thinks you screw up once that you should go to jail for life or even be killed off.

Actually this isn't like that, it's like being banned from a Private establishment at the owners discretion. (which happens all the time to people who act like asshats.) You don't get arrested, you don't go to jail, you just can't go back to Joe's Tavern any longer....


This is exactly like that, Anet's playground, Anet's rules.

erikjo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

exct

N/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:02 - 1095
Quote:
Originally Posted by capblye
Stereotype or not, I pegged you didnt I?
We can flame all night if you like ... or you can simply accept that you have no right to judge anyone.
Your claiming i stereo typing ... but all im really doing is giving you exactly what youve dished out.
You stereo typed all of the people that got banned without knwoing all of the facts, but i cant stereo type you? btw, if the stereotype fits ....
You werent even talking to me lmao. I just commented on how dumb your steroetypes are. You didnt even bother to see if the person you commented on is the one that responded. I am sure that I am older than you, more educated, and have a better job. When you learn how to think like an adult, maybe you will be able to tell others to grow up. Get rid of your training wheels first please.

jezz

jezz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

R/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:02 - 1096
Quote:
Originally Posted by capblye
Whining? LMAO ... im stating fact. You apparently are "Holier" than me, so you cant read my lowly writing.
I said people like YOU didnt know all the facts, but yet were so quick to judge. I dont know all the facts, and i dont WANT to know really ... but i certainly DO NOT pass judgement on anyone. No one is better than me (Except of course you, and others like you) so i could not deem myself worthy to spew out nonsense like "GOOD! They Deserve to be banned!"
Who are we to judge anyone, ever?

And EVEN IF what Anet says is 100% fact and true, a Perma Ban is still over the top whether there a EULA or not.
People PAID money for the product.
If Anet insists on a Perma Ban, fine, give em their money back.
No way EVER could i agree that some nonsense in game exploit/whatever justifies them taking away the persons PAID for product.

Try and remember that this is a GAME. What these people are losing is hard earned real money, for some stupid in game infraction.
So they found an exploit ... OH NO! ALL OF GW IS GOING TO CRUMBLE!
They cheated ... OH NO! THEY ARE SADISTIC PEDOPHILES THAT SHOULD BE CASTRATED!
They took advantage of something in a GAME ... OH NO! THEY HAVE OFFENDED MY MORALITY! SOMEONE CALL THE MORAL POLICE!

Soooo superior than all of us ... i just dont see how you all function in a world filled with us lowly substandard peasants.

Oh and as an aside ...no, i wont leave GW just yet. I just wont ever spend time in PUG's on the off chance i get saddled with folks like you.
But i will stick around if for no other reason than to question your "Moral Police" squad.
And i will patiently wait for the day when its YOU defending your actions to this flame happy lynch mob. It will come sooner or later.
The higher you climb, the farther you fall.
1: maybe before you state your opinion you should get all the facts.
2: i believe it wasnt just an exploit, but game client was hacked.
3: yes its a game so why the need for hacking.

you break the law you get punished/you break rules of game, well you get banned.
do you actually believe the rules are there just for the hell of it?

if any were not clearly involved then i am sure Anet will correct it.

truzo 117

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

[ban]

P/W

12 Jan 2008 at 03:03 - 1097
Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo24
Omg Pablo..your a Legend !! really im almost crying !! LMAO

GloryFox

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

12 Jan 2008 at 03:03 - 1098
It's called

Poetic Justice
Function: noun
: an outcome in which vice is punished and virtue rewarded usually in a manner peculiarly or ironically appropriate

explodemyheart

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Indiana

Gui1d War스 P01ic트 [Pr으]

Mo/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:04 - 1099
Quote:
Originally Posted by erikjo
This is NOT a tragedy. The fact that you think it is is pretty sad. You need to grow up and look at the world around you. This is a freakin game, and if you need it to boost your ego and life then a banning is the least of your worries.
I'd say... don't waste your words. He's just trolling, which just goes to prove the mentality of these "innocent" people.

Messy

Messy

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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12 Jan 2008 at 03:05 - 1100
Quote:
Originally Posted by capblye
Stereotype or not, I pegged you didnt I?
We can flame all night if you like ... or you can simply accept that you have no right to judge anyone.
Your claiming i stereo typing ... but all im really doing is giving you exactly what youve dished out.
You stereo typed all of the people that got banned without knwoing all of the facts, but i cant stereo type you? btw, if the stereotype fits ....
Most of us are not judging, I just have no sympathy for cheaters. I don't need to know the facts, ANET does, and they took care of it , swiftly. Plus, most of the guys that posted here admitted being there, they just didn't know blah blah....

ignorance is no excuse.

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

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Soul of Melandru [sOm]

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12 Jan 2008 at 03:05 - 1101
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw
Wait what, people getting punished for doing something wrong is a tragedy? Can this thread get any less intelligent?
I would post catpics but Avarre would do mean things to me

So I'm sitting here in smug satisfaction that people are idiots and got what they deserved.

Jake_Steel

Jake_Steel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Portland, OR

The Older Gamers (TOG)

N/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 03:05 - 1102
Quote:
Originally Posted by capblye
Stereotype or not, I pegged you didnt I?
We can flame all night if you like ... or you can simply accept that you have no right to judge anyone.
Your claiming i stereo typing ... but all im really doing is giving you exactly what youve dished out.
You stereo typed all of the people that got banned without knwoing all of the facts, but i cant stereo type you? btw, if the stereotype fits ....

Hate to break it to you sport but there is no law that says you can't make a judgment about other people. Forming opinions of events and those involved in them is perfectly natural for any human being. Not everyone is a Christian or holds to the philosophical fable that you shouldn't judge.

erikjo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

exct

N/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:05 - 1103
Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo24
Oh my God you nailed it. This is by far the best post in the last 30 pages at least. Good job!!!

I bet few have even looked at it either, what a pity.

Creeping Carl

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

12 Jan 2008 at 03:06 - 1104
Wow. This is pointless. The people who got banned deserved it because they did wrong. Stop crying about it. Stop arguing about how it's unjust to ban someone in a game. Stop comparing this to real life tragedies. It's pathetic.

The more I see people trying to justify their shady actions and lay blame on ANET instead of accepting responsibility, the more I'm convinced that they deserve the ban.

Azarr#1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

IOWA

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Mo/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:06 - 1105
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake_Steel
Actually this isn't like that, it's like being banned from a Private establishment at the owners discretion. (which happens all the time to people who act like asshats.) You don't get arrested, you don't go to jail, you just can't go back to Joe's Tavern any longer....


This is exactly like that, Anet's playground, Anet's rules.
Then They should be glad that they are now the harshest game out there WOW, Diablo 2, Warcraft dont make perma bans they fix it by taking away what they gained from it.

Messy

Messy

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12 Jan 2008 at 03:08 - 1106
Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo24
good one!! Bullet #7 under... In Other Fields....

erikjo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

exct

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12 Jan 2008 at 03:09 - 1107
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azarr#1
Then They should be glad that they are now the harshest game out there WOW, Diablo 2, Warcraft dont make perma bans they fix it by taking away what they gained from it.
Blizzard doesnt fix anything. Diablo 2 is basically a toilet of hacks and exploits. That is why i quit playing it.

If Blizzard fixes things, it takes them months/years.

Anet updates almost weekly if not more, they are much more involved with their game.

ylistra

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2006

12 Jan 2008 at 03:10 - 1108
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake_Steel
Actually this isn't like that, it's like being banned from a Private establishment at the owners discretion. (which happens all the time to people who act like asshats.) You don't get arrested, you don't go to jail, you just can't go back to Joe's Tavern any longer....


This is exactly like that, Anet's playground, Anet's rules.
Not quite exactly. See, Joe needs to start charging people a $200 entrance fee, which he keeps on a no-questions-asked basis. That's a steep entrance fee, so it's probably better to just charge $50 repeatedly to get into smaller areas of the tavern. He also needs to start kicking out the people who were sitting at the tables next to the one table that had someone acting like an asshat. Joe isn't able to determine exactly how much they were infected with the one asshat's attitude, so they should be kicked out as well.

Mickey

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

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12 Jan 2008 at 03:11 - 1109
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe
Most of us are not judging, I just have no sympathy for cheaters. I don't need to know the facts, ANET does, and they took care of it , swiftly. Plus, most of the guys that posted here admitted being there, they just didn't know blah blah....

ignorance is no excuse.
I hey, I remember an incident were you ACTUALLY pmed someone asking them to remove their post because it made you look bad. You remember that one? Jrk247 is still laughing at you.

Messy

Messy

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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12 Jan 2008 at 03:13 - 1110
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azarr#1
Then They should be glad that they are now the harshest game out there WOW, Diablo 2, Warcraft dont make perma bans they fix it by taking away what they gained from it.
hint hint... go play those, I hear they're good

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

12 Jan 2008 at 03:15 - 1111
Quote:
Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
Good riddance.
Too bad many of them had more than one account.


@turin9: AAAGHHH! MY EYES! MY EYES!
ALL their accounts will be banned. When you get a permanent ban it's all not just the one in violation. They ban IP addresses, physical addresses and phone numbers and of course your name which plenty lie about I'm sure. Anything that shows up in their system related to those will be banned and that of course means the whole household. So if lil brother or big brother got a permanent ban so did you. haha

JeniM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

W/E

12 Jan 2008 at 03:15 - 1112
I sometimes wonder about the world, like when i see the wiki page on "117"

Azarr#1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

IOWA

swat

Mo/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:16 - 1113
Quote:
Originally Posted by erikjo
Blizzard doesnt fix anything. Diablo 2 is basically a toilet of hacks and exploits. That is why i quit playing it.

If Blizzard fixes things, it takes them months/years.

Anet updates almost weekly if not more, they are much more involved with their game.
LOL I have at least 10 friends that play WOW and have been playing it for nearly 3 years it updates and fixes it every 7 days not months and years. try getting your facts striaght IF you said that too blizzard they would have a million players that would prove you wrong.

SolidShadow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

holland

Mo/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 03:17 - 1114
please dont post in this thread if its it has no moral value. I understand we all hate bots and hacks but go find another thread to spoil.

Zehnchu

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 03:17 - 1115
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meta4ik
Maybe you should read the Eula yourself because from our stand point we didnt do anything wrong.
I have, thus I have not been banned.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meta4ik
The outpost was looked legit.
How many outposts don't have NPC's?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meta4ik
We just seriously went out of our way to keep that outpost. No one knew how we got it just that we had it and we want to keep it that way.
The wheel's on the bus go round and round........

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

12 Jan 2008 at 03:18 - 1116
Quote:
Originally Posted by erikjo
Blizzard doesnt fix anything. Diablo 2 is basically a toilet of hacks and exploits. That is why i quit playing it.

If Blizzard fixes things, it takes them months/years.

Anet updates almost weekly if not more, they are much more involved with their game.
Lol well I have to say this is a load of crock Blizzard had 11+ patches for Diablo 2 and WOW is always being updated so you don't know what your talkking about sorry...

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

12 Jan 2008 at 03:19 - 1117
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolidShadow
please dont post in this thread if its it has no moral value. I understand we all hate bots and hacks but go find another thread to spoil.
I'm not even going to say please. Just don't post unless you are ON TOPIC we don't care for your self righteousness.

Azarr#1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

IOWA

swat

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12 Jan 2008 at 03:19 - 1118
Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Knightfall
ALL their accounts will be banned. When you get a permanent ban it's all not just the one in violation. They ban IP addresses, physical addresses and phone numbers and of course your name which plenty lie about I'm sure. Anything that shows up in their system related to those will be banned and that of course means the whole household. So if lil brother or big brother got a permanent ban so did you. haha
Wrong again buddy you test this theory of yours because its wrong. get your facts straight only accounts are banned buddy. Im not going to listen too you anymore

Messy

Messy

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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12 Jan 2008 at 03:20 - 1119
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey
I hey, I remember an incident were you ACTUALLY pmed someone asking them to remove their post because it made you look bad. You remember that one? Jrk247 is still laughing at you.
actually we both engaged in trolling... I requested a mod to delete it so the artist's thread would remain clean. I apologized to the OP and cleaned my mess. Jrk on the other hand, left his mess there.

It's good to laugh, I am actually doing a lot of that right now.

WAIT.... hmmmm... what does cheating have to do with posting on a thread???

it's really funny, some of you are really desperate at this point, you don't even know what to hold on, what to accuse people of...

I understand, you are angry, you did something a couple of times, no wait, 4 times, no WAIT... 7 times, and you got caught.

awwwww

truzo 117

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

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P/W

12 Jan 2008 at 03:21 - 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zehnchu
I have, thus I have not been banned.

How many outposts don't have NPC's?

The wheel's on the bus go round and round........
Remember the outpost bug where jade armours came inside ? that had npc's and was bugged lol