[Dev Update] Exploits and Bans – 10 January 2008 - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

12 Jan 2008 at 03:21 - 1121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

Hate to break it to you sport but there is no law that says you can't make a judgment about other people. Forming opinions of events and those involved in them is perfectly natural for any human being. Not everyone is a Christian or holds to the philosophical fable that you shouldn't judge.

Lol wtf... this is simply a matter of reserving bias and steryotyping, there is no need for personal vendettas against a person you have no idea about on the internet.

Clait

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Braveheart World Xi [any]

W/A

12 Jan 2008 at 03:22 - 1122

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe

hint hint... go play those, I hear they're good

If we wanted to play them, we wouldn't have bothered with Guild Wars. The fact we are still around is testimony of our loyalty this game and community.

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

D/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:22 - 1123

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe

actually we both engaged in trolling... I requested a mod to delete it so the artist's thread would remain clean. I apologized to the OP and cleaned my mess. Jrk on the other hand, left his mess there.

It's good to laugh, I am actually doing a lot of that right now.

WAIT.... hmmmm... what does cheating have to do with posting on a thread???

it's really funny, some of you are really desperate at this point, you don't even know what to hold on, what to accuse people of...

I understand, you are angry, you did something a couple of times, no wait, 4 times, no WAIT... 7 times, and you got caught.

awwwww

As I remember, you engaged in the trolling, and the flaming, first, but what do I know, I'm just a banned Guild Wars member, no one should listen to me, I'm a bad man....awwwwww.

-Sonata-

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Pretty Hate Machines [NIN]

Me/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:22 - 1124

Quote:

People PAID money for the product.
If Anet insists on a Perma Ban, fine, give em their money back.
No way EVER could i agree that some nonsense in game exploit/whatever justifies them taking away the persons PAID for product

This arguement has no standing at all and is the perfect example as to why players need to read their user agreements.

When purchasing Guild Wars, the only thing you own is the box it came in. Anet can't take that away. What you don't own is everything else. You're not buying the game. You're purchasing the rights to access the service. You do not own the files, your character, your character names, your armor, your weapons, your gold, or anything else. It does NOT belong to you. It is no different than purchasing the HBO package. You do not own those channels. You do not own the shows, the movies, or the OnDemand access. All you have is the right to view it and if you break the contract of that service the provider can cut you off.

This is why some of us do not, under any circumstances, toy with exploits, or possible exploits because we either a) Read our Terms of Service and know full well our service can be cut off without warning because of it and irregardless of what prior events took place, or b) Use our head and realize, without ever reading our Terms of Service, that there's too much risk involved to walk that line in the first place to make a quick buck that doesn't belong to me to begin with.

Just because you bought a box with a Key doesn't mean you have free reign on a service you do not own in any way, shape, or form.

vaxmor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ascalon

R/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:22 - 1125

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clait

Those people breath guild wars. What other reason can you find to play so many hours? If they didn't entirely love the game, why devote so much time?

The spl0iterz have a lot of time logged on their accounts => no ban deserved

Chinese farmers have a lot of time logged on their accounts => Chinese farmers should never be banned

Implications of this 'logic'? Idle on GW for all your worth, log up as much time as possible, run spl0itz like a mofo, and you wont be banned!

yay!

quicksilv3r

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

SA, TX

R/W

12 Jan 2008 at 03:22 - 1126

Quote:

Originally Posted by erikjo

Blizzard doesnt fix anything. Diablo 2 is basically a toilet of hacks and exploits. That is why i quit playing it.

If Blizzard fixes things, it takes them months/years.

Anet updates almost weekly if not more, they are much more involved with their game.

no sir u are wrong this guildhall exploit been out for months and was never patched untill the wintersday came.

erikjo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

exct

N/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:23 - 1127

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

Lol well I have to say this is a load of crock Blizzard had 11+ patches for Diablo 2 and WOW is always being updated so you don't know what your talkking about sorry...

You may be right about WOW. WHen i posted this i was thinking of D2 mainly, I have never played WOW. D2 is so badly hacked though it is a joke, and anyone that has ever played it knows what i am talking about.

I apologize I should have been more specific about what game I was talking about.

Clait

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Braveheart World Xi [any]

W/A

12 Jan 2008 at 03:23 - 1128

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

ALL their accounts will be banned. When you get a permanent ban it's all not just the one in violation. They ban IP addresses, physical addresses and phone numbers and of course your name which plenty lie about I'm sure. Anything that shows up in their system related to those will be banned and that of course means the whole household. So if lil brother or big brother got a permanent ban so did you. haha

Your lack of humility is disgusting.

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

12 Jan 2008 at 03:23 - 1129

Quote:

Originally Posted by ylistra

Not quite exactly. See, Joe needs to start charging people a $200 entrance fee, which he keeps on a no-questions-asked basis. That's a steep entrance fee, so it's probably better to just charge $50 repeatedly to get into smaller areas of the tavern. He also needs to start kicking out the people who were sitting at the tables next to the one table that had someone acting like an asshat. Joe isn't able to determine exactly how much they were infected with the one asshat's attitude, so they should be kicked out as well.

Good analogy, but let's take it further.

Say Joe's Tavern is overrun with flesh eating zombies. Joe pulls out a shotgun and starts popping zombie heads all over the place. The patrons, who happen to be from a professional cricket team, all pull out cricket bats and start fighting off the zombies. The pitcher, Mike, wades into a particulary nasty swarm of zombies, decapitates 4 of them, but sustains a bite wound in the process. Since he is now infected with the zombie virus, he begs Joe to shoot him before he turns. Joe begins to cry, and says he can't do it. Mike is one of his oldest friends! He leaves Mike to rest in the corner.

Eventually, they clear out all the zombies. Joe goes to check on his old friend Mike, only to find that he died moments earlier. Through tears, Joe curses the zombies for taking his best friend from him. "You'll all pay for this!", he screams. As his shrieks carry into the night, he hears a low moaning from behind him. He twirls around to find Mike unsteadily coming to his feet, except it isn't Mike any more, it's a brain-hungry undead monster. Joe silently cocks the shotgun, aims, and fires. Zombie parts spray all over the wall. Joe knows he has done what he had to do, yet cannot shake the feeling that he has become a monster in his own way.

I think mine makes a bit more sense.

shiznid12

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

12 Jan 2008 at 03:24 - 1130

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

You're wrong.

Are you joking? Do you know the situation? No. So don't even pretend you do.

I did it 4 times, but according to the "records", says Gaile Gray, we did it 10+ times. Are you joking? I took screenshots of the times I did it as proof that it was a bug, and reported them. But oh, I get banned for 10 times. She herself said that I shouldn't be banned, yet support closes my support ticket. Ridiculous.

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

12 Jan 2008 at 03:25 - 1131

Why did you do it if you knew it was a bug? No reason to do it more than once if you knew so, you just busted yourself.

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Home...

Vier Reiter [Vier]

12 Jan 2008 at 03:26 - 1132

Quote:

Originally Posted by quicksilv3r

you are right my friend this is a tragedy, and u are here doing nothin. with your finger up your !@#$%. stand up and be heard around this online world.
they didnt have ban them. this is a tragedy

Wow. Please say you're kidding, or at the least exaggerating beyond belief. Tragedy? People being unable to play a game is tragic??? You really need to grow up, go outside and open your eyes a bit if you really think that. There are far far too many real tragedies in the world to think 117 people not getting their game fix is remotely tragic. Check your priorities...or get some.

Hey Alex, got some kitties? I think it's time for this to die already.

shiznid12

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

12 Jan 2008 at 03:28 - 1133

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacasner

Why did you do it if you knew it was a bug? No reason to do it more than once if you knew so, you just busted yourself.

You can't accurately test a bug doing it once.

What difference does it make, according to Arena Net, I wasn't going to get banned for doing it 4 times, so why did I?

I reported it and deleted my items before this even went public, so what other excuse are you going to bring up?

I did it 4 times, which according to THE PEOPLE WHO BANNED ME, didn't deserve a ban. Yet they won't remove it?

I just like how people post in this thread like they have an idea of what is actually going on. You don't, why bother posting when your comments aren't based on factual information?

Messy

huh?

Join Date: Jun 2005

Follow the rainbow, make a left and voila

Guildless

R/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:29 - 1134

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey

As I remember, you engaged in the trolling, and the flaming, first, but what do I know, I'm just a banned Guild Wars member, no one should listen to me, I'm a bad man....awwwwww.

I guess your memory is failing you really bad.... since you got both accounts wrong... the trolling and the amount of times you used the exploit.

And I don't think you are a bad man, you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.... X7.

Clait

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

Braveheart World Xi [any]

W/A

12 Jan 2008 at 03:30 - 1135

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaxmor

The spl0iterz have a lot of time logged on their accounts => no ban deserved

Chinese farmers have a lot of time logged on their accounts => Chinese farmers should never be banned

Implications of this 'logic'? Idle on GW for all your worth, log up as much time as possible, run spl0itz like a mofo, and you wont be banned!

yay!

I'm a person, Chinese bots are not.

SolidShadow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

holland

Mo/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 03:32 - 1136

read the thread, then judge.

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

D/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:34 - 1137

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dont Mess WithMe

I guess your memory is failing you really bad.... since you got both accounts wrong... the trolling and the amount of times you used the exploit.

And I don't think you are a bad man, you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.... X7.

Thanks, your opinion really motivates me to keep fighting. Seriously. And yeah, btw, did I mention that all the money I earned while doing that went to a shield that I gave to my PvP friend? Or that 6 of the 7 green items I got went to guildies? Nah, selflessness is never worth anything here.

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

12 Jan 2008 at 03:34 - 1138

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Good analogy, but let's take it further.

Say Joe's Tavern is overrun with flesh eating zombies. Joe pulls out a shotgun and starts popping zombie heads all over the place. The patrons, who happen to be from a professional cricket team, all pull out cricket bats and start fighting off the zombies. The pitcher, Mike, wades into a particulary nasty swarm of zombies, decapitates 4 of them, but sustains a bit wound in the process. Since he is now infected with the zombie virus, he begs Joe to shoot him before he turns. Joe begins to cry, and says he can't do it. Mike is one of his oldest friends! He leaves Mike to rest in the corner.

Eventually, they clear out all the zombies. Joe goes to check on his old friend Mike, only to find that he died moments earlier. Through tears, Joe curses the zombies for taking his best friend from him. "You'll all pay for this", he screams. As his shrieks carry into the night, he hears a low moaning from behind him. He twirls around to find Mike unsteadily coming to his feet, except it isn't Mike any more. It's a brain-hungry undead monster. Joe silently cocks the shotgun, aims, and fires. Zombie parts spray all over the wall. Joe knows he has done what he had to do, yet cannot shake the feeling that he has become a monster in his own way.

I think mine makes a bit more sense.

"No! I must kill the demons" he shouted. The radio said "No, John. You are the demons." And then John was a zombie.

This thread has been significantly improved with these two posts.

SolidShadow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

holland

Mo/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 03:36 - 1139

atleast its some responds of people who are not fresh to the game.

dkn doko

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Roman Formation {rF}

Mo/E

12 Jan 2008 at 03:37 - 1140

i love all the people on this thread that think this is a joke. Do us all a favor, get some knowledge of the topic, think about it, post something about the topic that is educated. Put yourself in one of the banned persons shoes;. Would you not be fighting for your account back? All the hours you put into it. Would u not want anet to give you a second chance? Ask youself those questions before you post another stupid thread that is irrelevant. Thank you

~~Roman~~

truzo 117

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

[ban]

P/W

12 Jan 2008 at 03:41 - 1141

You people need to get back to the topic .. zombies and cats ? your all nutty XD

The Great Ithqua

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2007

The Azure Clan

E/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:41 - 1142

i still think its amazing, this thread has gone 68+pages in 2 days and how did it get started? all because of 1 guy ProgTes reported the bug and caused the whole Saga to appear lolz..BTW ProgTes you did a good job but perhaps wrong time are you in the 117 players btw?

truzo 117

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

[ban]

P/W

12 Jan 2008 at 03:43 - 1143

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Great Ithqua

i still think its amazing, this thread has gone 18+pages in 2 days and how did it get started? all because of 1 guy ProgTes reported the bug and caused the whole Saga to appear lolz..BTW ProgTes you did a good job but perhaps wrong time are you in the 117 players btw?

Actually there has been 2 threads. the first one lasted like 20 mins and got deleted. but then a admin or someone opend up this one

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 03:43 - 1144

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiznid12

Are you joking? Do you know the situation? No. So don't even pretend you do.

I did it 4 times, but according to the "records", says Gaile Gray, we did it 10+ times. Are you joking? I took screenshots of the times I did it as proof that it was a bug, and reported them. But oh, I get banned for 10 times. She herself said that I shouldn't be banned, yet support closes my support ticket. Ridiculous.

Is that anything like the person on here who said they did it a few times then it turned into more then a few times then it turned into they opened the chest seven time’s out of the twenty four times he tried to open the chest. And the twenty four times was counted from Anets logs...

SolidShadow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

holland

Mo/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 03:44 - 1145

blaim some people for something they think is unjustified and hell gone loose, hard to clean up that mess.

imbanned2

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

12 Jan 2008 at 03:45 - 1146

Quote:

Originally Posted by truzo 117

You people need to get back to the topic .. zombies and cats ? your all nutty XD

lol Arkantos sent me a pm saying stop reposting cuz is offtopic when I was just explaining how this "bug" works.. and now all this tards posting any bs qq
nice community btw /sarcastic

SolidShadow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

holland

Mo/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 03:46 - 1147

Humor is getting back here, dont pick up that drop! just cause it has your name on it doesnt mean its yours, its an exploid xD

The Great Ithqua

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2007

The Azure Clan

E/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:47 - 1148

so does any1 knows the outcome of the guy ProgTes? the master of this whole saga?

Messy

huh?

Join Date: Jun 2005

Follow the rainbow, make a left and voila

Guildless

R/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:47 - 1149

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey

Thanks, your opinion really motivates me to keep fighting. Seriously. And yeah, btw, did I mention that all the money I earned while doing that went to a shield that I gave to my PvP friend? Or that 6 of the 7 green items I got went to guildies? Nah, selflessness is never worth anything here.

well, if I were you, I would most definitely keep fighting. Thing is... I can't be you, I would not risk my account by doing something fishy... 7 times.

yes, you did mention what you did with the greens.... did anybody accuse you of being selfish??

I personally am not accusing you nor any of the other 116. I just believe that the support team did look into this. I believe what Gaile said. I believe if anybody was unjustly banned, they will be reinstated. The support team has logs of the chats & actions, and they don't need to show me what any of you did, since it's not in my power to ban or unban. Gaile explained what happened, and to me... it's cheating. I'm sorry, but I just have no sympathy for cheaters.

Azarr#1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

IOWA

swat

Mo/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:47 - 1150

Dude you go to the Guild Wars website and they think Blizzard is great for what they have done with their game and how they opperate it then Anet goes and does this to its players its sorta like good cop bad cop. Nobody on WOW has been banned permanently.

SolidShadow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

holland

Mo/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 03:48 - 1151

still waiting, staff is preparing for there daily coffee before they inform community. Meanwhile the community advisors are helping out cleaning up the mess, ty for there input so far.

truzo 117

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

[ban]

P/W

12 Jan 2008 at 03:49 - 1152

Quote:

Originally Posted by imbanned2

lol Arkantos sent me a pm saying stop reposting cuz is offtopic when I was just explaining how this "bug" works.. and now all this tards posting any bs qq
nice community btw

I posted a mini guide about 20-30 ? pages ago i also sent one to gaile .. but i have had no reply so i dont think she looked yet ?

SolidShadow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

holland

Mo/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 03:51 - 1153

Jep gaile making some inventory wich is really going on and sorting out the mess for the ppl, doing a great job.

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

12 Jan 2008 at 03:53 - 1154

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azarr#1

Nobody on WOW has been banned permanently.

Lolwut. I don't think you have a clue what you're on about.

The Great Ithqua

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2007

The Azure Clan

E/

12 Jan 2008 at 03:57 - 1155

actually i do know how to get to that "outpost" but its second-hand information pmed galie and asked if he wants to know but no replies think he knows already... stil wheres ProgTes ? is here within the 117 or is he still at large?

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

12 Jan 2008 at 04:02 - 1156

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keekles

If I hypothetically had invested over 20000 hours into this game, had 50 character slots, and had fow on every character and I was banned for an exploit, then I would say that I deserved it. Just having played for a long time does not make you exempt from being punished.

No you wouldn't you're full of it. You'd be as upset as these guys and don't give me that rubbish that you wouldn't be. You have been deemed:

LIAR!

jrk247

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Twenty Gold For Mountain Troll [Tusk]

12 Jan 2008 at 04:03 - 1157

Anet already has the money so they don't really care about 117 people. Good thing I'm not spending more money for anymore Anet products.

Commander Ryker

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/

12 Jan 2008 at 04:04 - 1158

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkn doko

i love all the people on this thread that think this is a joke. Do us all a favor, get some knowledge of the topic, think about it, post something about the topic that is educated. Put yourself in one of the banned persons shoes;. Would you not be fighting for your account back? All the hours you put into it. Would u not want anet to give you a second chance? Ask youself those questions before you post another stupid thread that is irrelevant. Thank you

~~Roman~~

Just for the record.......this is not the place to fight to get your account back. This is a discussion thread. Anet is not going to read these and go, "oh, ok.....well poor Mickey only went 7 or 24 times, we'll unban him". As far as putting myself in their shoes......I will not, they stink.

SolidShadow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

holland

Mo/Me

12 Jan 2008 at 04:05 - 1159

only anet knows if it was hacked, confirming to the victims they only got lured in. so stop flaming nonsence plz.

ps// payed on creditcard players can still retract mony, but most of em just want fair treatment.

Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

12 Jan 2008 at 04:05 - 1160

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

Wow. This is pointless. The people who got banned deserved it because they did wrong. Stop crying about it. Stop arguing about how it's unjust to ban someone in a game. Stop comparing this to real life tragedies. It's pathetic.

The more I see people trying to justify their shady actions and lay blame on ANET instead of accepting responsibility, the more I'm convinced that they deserve the ban.

Like I said before making areas like DoA that are to difficult for the majority and hold highly sought after items only encourages cheating. That being said I think they (Anet) should indeed take some of the blame for what has transpired.