Avatar of Balthazar
Selket
Seriously, avatar of balthazar is pretty good. You don't have to believe me, but I speak truth.
iridescentfyre
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But the OP failed to mention that AoB is capped in Kourna....while Conviction and Pious Haste are not buyable until the Mouth and Gate of Torment, respectively.
Perhaps a good point for those of us purely concerned about a player's first time through normal mode PvE… but aren't Avatar of Melandru, Avatar of Lyssa, Vow of Strength, and Reaper's Sweep all capped in Kourna as well? I realize they aren't direct replacements for the AoB buffs, but they're all more beneficial anyway.
Ragnar Blackmanes
and if a Dervish wanna tank or in other means do the melee, in HardMode cooperative mission, vanquish some area or something like this withouth explode in something like 10 sec? 
moriz
get better monks, or run ursan.
Ragnar Blackmanes
go ursan is the most boring thing you can do in Gw, imho 
Monk can be good as you want but a 70 or 94 (cause you will say convinction) armor in Hm for a tank its not soo high.
Monk can be good as you want but a 70 or 94 (cause you will say convinction) armor in Hm for a tank its not soo high.
~ Dan ~
Apparently HM can be done without a tank.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
It's a proven fact you can't go anywhere in HM without an obsiflesh tank and bonder. This video (honestly not a rickroll!) is proof of that.
lolol
Seriously, you don't need AoB to survive HM. You need a team that isn't total fail.
blurmedia
haha I knew it was that kitten
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Ragnar Blackmanes
and if a Dervish wanna tank or in other means do the melee, in HardMode cooperative mission, vanquish some area or something like this withouth explode in something like 10 sec?
As was said, that's what monks are for. If you truly want self-defense on your own bar, there's better ways to get it than wasting your elite slot for +40 armor.
As was said, that's what monks are for. If you truly want self-defense on your own bar, there's better ways to get it than wasting your elite slot for +40 armor.
Ragnar Blackmanes
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
It's a proven fact you can't go anywhere in HM without an obsiflesh tank and bonder. This video (honestly not a rickroll!) is proof of that.
lolol
Seriously, you don't need AoB to survive HM. You need a team that isn't total fail. lol the kitten,
anyway i don't say that the only way to survive in Hm with a Dervish is to use AoB, but i think that a Derv that go in the melee fight withouth a good armor rating would be the most principal target of monks, and probably it will be kicked from the party (sadly i see that it happens often).
Im not saing that AoB is the most powerful derv elite skill, it have advantage and disvantage, for example, with Lyssa you deal more damage (not often), with Bhatly you have much armor, it's point of view.
Squishy ftw
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Originally Posted by Ragnar Blackmanes
lol the kitten,
anyway i don't say that the only way to survive in Hm with a Dervish is to use AoB, but i think that a Derv that go in the melee fight withouth a good armor rating would be the most principal target of monks, and probably it will be kicked from the party (sadly i see that it happens often).
That's where your other party members should kick in. Bring passive defence and monks that don't fail.
anyway i don't say that the only way to survive in Hm with a Dervish is to use AoB, but i think that a Derv that go in the melee fight withouth a good armor rating would be the most principal target of monks, and probably it will be kicked from the party (sadly i see that it happens often).
That's where your other party members should kick in. Bring passive defence and monks that don't fail.
Ragnar Blackmanes
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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre
As was said, that's what monks are for. If you truly want self-defense on your own bar, there's better ways to get it than wasting your elite slot for +40 armor.
with which elite? reaper's sweep? it do +35/40 (depend on attribute) damage, ok it's huge damage,
and i will take something like convinction for +24 (less then the elite AoB) armor right?
but, if i want somehting more?
I can usa AoB to have 40 armor, and use something like Victorious sweep for +29/31 (attribute) damage, something less then the elite reaper's sweep.
That's the same, one with more damage one with more armor
Anyway, if i want a huge armor bonus cause i wanna do the best possible tank build with a Derv, would't i use AoB?
i Dunno if i explain at 100% my think cause im not english and i dont know at all the language. Sorry for that
and i will take something like convinction for +24 (less then the elite AoB) armor right?
but, if i want somehting more?
I can usa AoB to have 40 armor, and use something like Victorious sweep for +29/31 (attribute) damage, something less then the elite reaper's sweep.
That's the same, one with more damage one with more armor
Anyway, if i want a huge armor bonus cause i wanna do the best possible tank build with a Derv, would't i use AoB?
i Dunno if i explain at 100% my think cause im not english and i dont know at all the language. Sorry for that
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Ragnar Blackmanes
Anyway, if i want a huge armor bonus cause i wanna do the best possible tank build with a Derv, would't i use AoB?
No, because armour of earth does pretty much the same thing and is non-elite. You fail to see that what you think is an advantage of AoB (the armour), isn't an advantage. The only time you'll want more armour is for tanking. If you are tanking, you are bad at GW. End of story.
Ragnar Blackmanes
what is armor of earth? convinction? +24 and +40 its the same? sorry but i don't think so.
Imho in the quesition of the tank, but with my tank i vanquish the most zone of Gw with heroes. It could be your not prefered way to play (the tank i mean, but saing that do the tank its bad i think its not right).
Why im bad?
Imho in the quesition of the tank, but with my tank i vanquish the most zone of Gw with heroes. It could be your not prefered way to play (the tank i mean, but saing that do the tank its bad i think its not right).
Why im bad?
Darkside
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Originally Posted by Ragnar Blackmanes
and if a Dervish wanna tank or in other means do the melee, in HardMode cooperative mission, vanquish some area or something like this withouth explode in something like 10 sec?
I've been vanquishing in HM with h/h and when I'm lucky with guildies and I have not once ran AoB in some pathetic attempt at being a tank. If you need extra armor for some reason just run conviction or great dwarf armor that way you don't need to waste your elite slot.
I've been vanquishing in HM with h/h and when I'm lucky with guildies and I have not once ran AoB in some pathetic attempt at being a tank. If you need extra armor for some reason just run conviction or great dwarf armor that way you don't need to waste your elite slot.
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Ragnar Blackmanes
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If you are tanking, you are not doing damage. If you are by chance, killing things (and not from wanding or a starter scythe) then you probably aren't much of a tank. Tanks need all of their bar to do their job.|
Imho in the quesition of the tank, but with my tank i vanquish the most zone of Gw with heroes. It could be your not prefered way to play (the tank i mean, but saing that do the tank its bad i think its not right). Why im bad? Well done, aren't you a clever boy? Btw, i H/H'ed canthan vanquisher without a tank. I would've done the other 2 continents had i not quit the game. Many others have vanquished without a tank. I'll just leave you in your own little world, where you think using a tank makes you good at GW. Ragnar Blackmanes
Why you need to make offense? im simply try to make a civil discussion.
Anyway, why you tell thing that i never say? i've said that you WOuld never and ever take vanquisher without a tank? no i dont say that, and i dont say that im good at Gw, i do what i can. Other thing, for tank i mean a melee that can do and take damage, less or more of each one. Armor of earth can be a way but slowly me too much, and i wont be Ele of second profession cause i use some skills by warrior. And also, how many enchantment removal have the mob? the question is: if i want the best armor rate with my dervish, cause i wanna do that ( and so im bad at Gw ), i want a sure armor upgrade that cannot be easliy removed by the enemies, and, if we can, a full lenght one, what i should bring?
~ Dan ~
It seems to me you fail to understand what a tank is. A tank does no damage, just soaks up all the damage and aggro so his team can spank the mob.
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You're forgetting that reaper's sweep causes DW when used at the right time. That's the potential for around a 150 damage hit. But yea, it may well be a choice to either have an elite for armour or an elite for damage. But at the end of the day, a melee's job is to kill things, not tank. More damage makes that happen.
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
AoB pwns in use with
[skill]Frenzy[/skill][skill]Healing Signet[/skill] I dont take any extra dmg using that combo. j/k Sorry but.. if you need to state what you said is a joke, then it can't be that good of one 
Sir Pandra Pierva
with some of the people who post here they wont get and think that I was being serious. Even though frenzy healsig is the oldest joke in guildwars
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
with some of the people who post here they wont get and think that I was being serious. Even though frenzy healsig is the oldest joke in guildwars
It's better when they don't get it. Sarcasm is ftw.
Coloneh
good argument dan!
I would have gotten bored and lost patience ages ago. misguiding_prophet
Erm Frenzy and Heal sig work fine on lvl 1 mantids ok
getting back to the topic- balthazar's avatar is perhaps the most used but one of the most (negatively) criticized elite skills on dervs. I use it more than i use grenth, so there must be something really good about it 8)
Squishy ftw
or something bad about you ?
Sir Pandra Pierva
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
It's better when they don't get it. Sarcasm is ftw.
ok you win this time. but next time.....
why is this thread still friggin open? ~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by misguiding_prophet
I use it more than i use grenth, so there must be something really good about it 8)
Sorry, but i just found that pretty epic.
Sir Pandra Pierva
grenth pre nerf to hell>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AoB
post nerf=not even worth using almost ever
Coloneh
pre nerf grenth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GvG and HA
it was rediculous.... thankfully only a few people were running triple-smite...
Dr Strangelove
Lyssa and the tree kill stuff. Balthazar does not. Thus, balthazar sucks.
/thread
Darkside
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Lyssa and the tree kill stuff. Balthazar does not. Thus, balthazar sucks.
/thread Yah I think you need to have a talk with some people in our alliance about that. 
mrmango
Dude and then do my alliance, tell them that healing breeze is baed. =]
Coloneh
i just left my alliance after i got into an argument with like 10 people about how tanking is bad...
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Darkside
Yah I think you need to have a talk with some people in our alliance about that.
I'll pass on that. A couple days ago tried to explain that as long as you meet the requirement, the damage on a req13 is the same as the damage on a req7. There was much disagreement, and I went to do other things :P.
misguiding_prophet
Grenth is a relatively horrible avatar in most cases but, can is useful in some elite monk tome farms- esp the insect monk bosses outside sunspear sanctuary.
I've made a lot of money spamming balth when running people-only because i cant be arsed running with a mo/e. The holy dmg bonus you get from it and its consistent spamming capacity makes it worthwhile against swarms of undead.
Risus
I really only see this skill in PvE, where the +40 armor and faster running is most useful. And combined with Eternal Aura, it can be maintained infinitly.
Also its used a lot for running. Only thing is, when I see someone use it in RA, TA, or AB, I'm just thinking, well they are down a competent player... ~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
i just left my alliance after i got into an argument with like 10 people about how tanking is bad...
I left my alliance when i had an argument after someone in AC pinged a monk bar with mending, and a load of shit ele skills. They all defended this godly build. Meh..
Dzan
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Lyssa and the tree kill stuff. Balthazar does not. Thus, balthazar sucks.
Correct. If your profession has a melee weapon and your elite doesn't make that melee weapon kill stuff, you are wasting a slot.
Stormlord Alex
Whooo, I'm not alone.
I was banging my head against the wall earlier trying to explain why wasting half of a Derv's bar on heals and defense is baed  Might leave... |
