Update - Wednesday February 6

Don't know where you farm(if that is what you are on about)...but it must be all melee. lol.

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When you look at it mystic regen still gives 12 pips with enough earth prayer. And still has the .25 sec cast tiem as well as 5 sec recharge, leaving its cover enchant power intact.
Was I the only one that didn't hated the regen as much as teh dmg redux from other derv enchants and the fact you basically could not remove the enchants unless you had a mass disenchant (I love you shatterstorm).

Dear Anet,

Please stop buffing necros, ok? They are the last class that needs buffs. They also don't need 1 energy spells.

If you are going to make 1e spells, why not add Orison, RoF, Dwayna's Kiss, and guardian to the list?

because blood magic sucks

Blood magic is shit. They're attempting to make it viable. Why do you think those skills should be 1e? The skills changed to 1e were hardly used, the skills you mentioned are used. Do you honestly think the skills you suggested would be balanced at 1e?

No...the 1nrgy usage cost was implemented to swap out The % rate of sacrificing health.

Instead of costing nrgy to use....Health would be the cost of using the spell/skill. Not nrgy, am i getting through to anyone?

If you mean instead of the spells costing energy, they cost health (and 1 energy), then yes.

OMG dfgldfjhlsdfsdflsjkdhfkjsdhjklgsdd

Nooo!!!! My precious power leak!!!!

Lmao at the necros

Sheesh...It's not like its a bad thing. if they had it their way they'd eliminate the nrgy cost altogether and allow health cost only.

Programming code is a tough thing to work with. > I.T engineer< anyway...Besides those particular skills are rarely used in game anyway. Except if you're worrying about the monsters using it then yes it's gonna hurt a LOT.

It will be a glorious day when anet becomes sufficiently distracted by gw2 to stop screwing up skills in gw1. Maybe I should just stop playing til then.

Has it even occured to them that the reason so many mesmers use inep/clums is that so many of the rest of their skills have been nerfed to death? No? Might be something to ponder.

LoD reamins awful, just a different flavor of awful this week.

I'm glad all those crappy blood spells cost 1e now. Because if there's one thing primary necros always have trouble with its ENERGY.

I highly doubt this "glorious day" will ever come. I highly doubt the skill balance team will be too busy working on GW2 to make a skill balance every month or so.

Other mesmer builds are still strong, your logic is flawed. Also, the two spells are great at shutting down melee, so it really has nothing to do with their other skills.

It had nothing to do with their energy management. They're attempting to make blood magic viable.

I have no idea where to post this, and this is more of a rant / feedback post then anything else, but the new update sucks.

You see, I have a 55 monk, and I generally farm a certain area using Mystic Regen as one of my key skills. Today I started a run only to die a short time later due to the newly added limit to the amount of regen caused by MR. Now my chief money-making source is gone.

Now this happens quite fruequently it seems, where A-Net nerfs a farming run in some manner, or makes a change to a skill because of it's over-use or exploitation in PvP. What I suggest (if GW dev's even bother to look at these forums) is when you make a skill change due to PvP reasons, please try somthing that would make the changes only apply in PvP areas. I'm sure it's possible, because you can turn on/off certain skills and make them "PvE Only" Before I made a 55, I was a runner with an A/Mo using Shadow of Haste, but then they changed the skill so the recharge time is longer then the amount of time the skill lasts. so that screwed up my running build.

Please, for us people who actually do PvE, seriously consider the above!

/endrant/
~Gimpex

I used to farm a lot of greens soloing bosses as blood necro / mes, when farming and selling greens was a good way to make money. That was the only use of any blood skill other than Awaken the Blood I ever had. Might be time to start putting together a new build, since I just started EotN using a new, moderately useful Icy Veins / dual bile build.

There are other bad skills and bad lines in the game, it's not like necros needed the buff as they had other viable options. However, it seems necros are often the first to get a buff and whenever there is a skill balance, they tend to get far more buffs than nerfs.

For example, 100 Blades has never been good, yet you still don't see it buffed. Pets aren't that great. Mesmers in PvE are still getting ignored, as are sassis. However, necros aren't exactly underpowered in thier other skill lines.


Part of me thinks Anet has a bit of a class bias.

I wasn't out farming I was just trying it out behind Droks and I don't just use the Mo/D build as it wasn't around way before the Dervish came along.It is what Steps_Descending said.

My primary toon is a Necro yet I find most of the changes to Necros...ridiculous, outrageous. *lol* All I can say is wow. Anyway, Mystic Regen was due for a nerf and its not as bad as I thought it would be. Its still useable.

The amount of negativity aimed toward the Mystic Regen nerf in itself proves that the nerf was necessary. From 55 farming to Invici-eles and -necro MMs in AB, this skills was getting abused left and right. The nerf isn't really super awful, but it is enough that a medium to large enough amount of degen will negate its effects. I mean, monks going through burning, poison, bleeding, hexes etc and still have pips of health regen was plain wrong and it deserved the nerf.

It's just another nail in the coffin.

all it takes for the fragile 55/105 monk mo/?...?/? (or ANY enchantment farm build) is 1 interrupt or shatter, and it's game over. it was nerfed because people were running these 'grief' builds in scrub PvP areas. (ya I know, but it is true)

@ age.
I have used every profitable farm build that I and many others could think of. M-regen allowed the farming of some pretty hairy places. lol. that is over now. R.I.P.

That's what I'm gettin' at. the MR Nerf is positively great for PvP, but for those of us who rarely PvP and choose to stick to the PvE side of the game, and who have so little money to begin with and NEED the 55 Mo/D for fast easy farming purposes, it's absolutely detestable.

All i'm saying is, A-Net needs to do somthing that allows Skills changed / nerfed for PvP reasons only apply in PvP areas, and not screw us RPG'ers over in PvE

QQ over the MR nerf moar!

Really, if are so dependable on one certain build that when it gets nerfed you are forced to say that the nerf is "detestable" then you probably shouldn't be playing GW.

Uhm, does the classic 55 build not work anymore or something? Last I tried it there were no problems :S

So can someone please explain how the livelihood of farmers absolutely depends on MR?

I tried using a classic 55 build in Gates of Kryta in hard mode and didn't fair so well

But the MR helped alot, and now it's gone D:

While it is a noble idea, it would take a lot of coding to make skills act differnt in PvE and PvP. Anet is not going to redo their whole skill code just because something hurts PvE play. The wonderful thing about PvE play is for most NM areas just killing and what not you don't need a spesific build. as long as you can out damage and survive your golden in PvE.

As for the Necro skills. I love blood, I really honestly do. I wished they had just done something a bit better than buffing them to deal with *sarcasim* all those energy problems necros have*end sarcasim*. Maybe make soul leech 1 second cast, life siphon 1 second cast, 15 or 20 second recharge on Life Transfer. They could have buffed the damage while making the eneergy of Dark Pact only five, or cutting the sac to 5% so it would be a little more attractive. While the buffs are great they seem rather sloppy and poorly thought out.

For the mesmer nerfs. Once again I find some of my favorite skills nerfed because people tend to abuse them in certain arenas. Maybe if their was more variety in builds we would not have some of our favorite skills decapiated to balance things. Anet really botched this one as well. They did not take the nerf bat, but the nerf-zuka to some skills. While Clumsiness is now an AoE skill that is useful in PvE, i would still not use it due to short duration, recharge and cast. Over all, for me anyways, Anti-Melee illusion is virtually dead. A couple minor buffs to some skills, but no one noticed. Once again, power leak would not have been nerfed if it was not abbused so much.

For mystic regen, thank god they finnaly nerfed it! Cry all you want farmers and dervs but it was the most powerful heal in the dervish line and was a serious pain in the butt for most people who tried to take on a N/D or a E/D in PvP cause they have neigh limitless regen. Get over it and adapt!! Look into wind prayers for some new heals. They just made the game harder, enjoy cry babies. And as for the Avatar of Grenth, bout time. While it could have a nicer effect, or a third even it is nice to see that they want to try and fix past mistakes.

thats my full take on this.

heres an idea.
Find a new place to farm.
Or put a few points in healing and bring Heal breeze that will solve your problem right there.
and before you say that screws the rest of your build, I do this already for alot of places and kill just fine.

I think you NEED to look up NEED in a dictionary...

anyway-
Necro skills to 1 e = meh
Mystic regen = meh
Monk skill nerf/buff (depending how you see it) = weird
Troll unguent - lol so now you can keep it up always if you want to spend 3 of every 13 seconds casting it :S

There are some places (Corsairs in Zehlon used to be popular until C.Scimitar became worthless) that the classic build doesn't cut it. In that area, you could have MR, HB, Mending, and 3 other enchants on and you barely had enough to counter the degen of burning + poison + toxicity + Reaper's Mark (grand total of -17, though I don't remember the exact degen from Reapers), and all the damage coming in from regular hits to boot.

Yes, regular 55 still works in most places (that 55 works at all), but nerfing MR does close off some area that had particularly high degen, and slows down places that just have a decent amount (since you'll probably need to bring along a few other regen skills now). It's not the worst farming nerf ever, and I think most of the people complaining are over-reacting, but it does sting a little bit for farmers.

alot of us did. with what MR had to offer.
now, I think you mean, find an old place to farm.

lollerskates.

Mystic Regeneration
I'm not particularly happy about the mystic regen nerf, as it affects my dervish more than it would any secondary profession build I might run. Dervishes kind of needed a regeneration shield to justify their reduced armor, slow attack rate and lack of escape skills relative to other front line classes. I think lowering the break points for +4 regen would be a nice way to go to balance it for an enchant stack limit. I'm not talking down to 8, but maybe 10 or 11, so that it would be unreachable for other professions, but useful for the dervish. I really never saw regeneration as much of a threat in PvP, so I imagine that this is some kind of PvE balance issue. As for earth tanker eles, those builds were jokes before the nerf and I imagine they're bigger jokes now. As for my elementalist, he will continue to use a dervish secondary because I only need +9 regen on a backline caster. As for my necro, he never needed it anyway (and would only need +9 regen in any event).

1e skills
This has been a long time coming. Unconditional sac deserves an energy break. This is a good buff.

Mesmers
Ouch. Poor mesmers. While I kind of agree that mesmers need more mass damage spells to be viable in PvE, I don't think clumsiness nerfage was the way to go.

Wow, how pathetic. All that QQ over Mystic Regen...What if they nerfed Prot Spirit? Now THAT would destroy all of your precious farming builds...then what? /wrist ?

1) Dervishes don't need regen, their armor is just fine and they have elite forms.
2) Their attack rate is slow but they also have weapon with highest base damage in game
3) If by "escape skills" you mean speed buffs, Pious Haste is just fine for that, or some of many skills in Wind Prayers.

rotflmao. no then it's onto the rt/me. until it gets nerfdeded

Didnt see it in the notes, I made a new PvP char and appeared into the isle of nameless explorable instead of GtOB.

No more spam ? yay

Oh the spam is still there. The bots have just moved to Kamadan, Shing Jea and Ascalon now.(had encounters with spam bots in each)

It doesn't, of course. Mystic Regeneration is just much easier to use than the alternatives. With Prot Spirit and SH/SoA up, all damage is negated. That only leaves degen(and lifesteal, but ignore that for now), which is capped at 20 health loss/second. All that's needed is a secondary healing skill in MR's place. But I'm guessing you knew all that already.

They're also in the Eye of the North, apparently.

One gave me an add there. I spammed it back with 'WTS rugs, ten dollars' until I'd literally driven everything else out of the chat record in whisper.

On Mystic Regeneration, should have made it a Mysticism skill so as to make it Dervish only and cut out all the griefing Elementalists without hurting Dervishes. That would have been so much better.

Oh i know its in gotb still i just mean when you load on a new pvp, you wont get spam.

I don't get it. Regen cap is at 10 right? With 3 enchantments, that's still 9 regen. Don't really see much.

Yes it might be capped at ten but lets say u have burning and bleeding on you and 6 enchants with 3 regen per enchant; well now you will have 1 degen instead of having 8 regen like before.

they could have moved MR to Mysticism