Once again, can't we just agree that before LS everyone was flat out richer, plain and simple? Even if you didn't farm back then, point is that the potential was there, you'd make much more money than you would now.
I think that Ettin, Troll, and Griffon nerfing also killed the economy a bit. They were still some of the best farming locations.
Should Lootscaling be removed after the new Rtm policy?
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manitoba1073
Desert Nomad
(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi
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You're missing half the conversation. Someone said that old-timers were all rich, I just told him that not all old-timers are rich. That's the only point I was making.
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So lets get this straight then. You're saying its the poor players that are complaining as I said in my post the first time I quoted you. Now wouldnt that be exactly opposite of what Anerf is and was trying to accomplish with LS.
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Why would A-Net put in the titles and then make it unreach-able for people? A-Net has always been saying that skill > time in this game. Since some titles have positive effects on gameplay, A-Net should not make reaching the titles too hard or else they contradict themselves.
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manitoba1073
Desert Nomad
(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi
Joined Jan 2006
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No, I'm saying that the poor old-timers are complaining and not the rich old-timers. It wasn't even any kind of point I wanted to make, I only implied that not all old-timers are rich. I never said that poor players in general are complaining.
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Self-explanatory.
Also self-explanatory.
Black armor.
Wants nice armor.
Has 15k armor.
This thread is rife with other examples. If you have elite armors, shiny weapons, etc. you're not a casual player. There's the actual casual player, who only has a few plat and not even close to max equipment, and then there's the "casual player" farmer who doesn't think his 3 sets of armor is enough. Only one of them sees significant benefits from the removal of loot scaling.
If you really want to help the casual player, ask for an increase in gold from everything, not just from farming.
Also self-explanatory.
Black armor.
Wants nice armor.
Has 15k armor.
This thread is rife with other examples. If you have elite armors, shiny weapons, etc. you're not a casual player. There's the actual casual player, who only has a few plat and not even close to max equipment, and then there's the "casual player" farmer who doesn't think his 3 sets of armor is enough. Only one of them sees significant benefits from the removal of loot scaling.
If you really want to help the casual player, ask for an increase in gold from everything, not just from farming.
I think many of the people here need to truly understand what a "casual player" is. Casual players are not farmers. They are people that play through the game for fun, whenever time allows them to. They don't care that they don't make 50-100k per day, because they dont NEED that much (people that say they don't have enough for skills are full of BS).
Most of those posting here are not casual players. They are farmers that want more, and want to get it faster.
Most of those posting here are not casual players. They are farmers that want more, and want to get it faster.
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I think many of the people here need to truly understand what a "casual player" is. Casual players are not farmers. They are people that play through the game for fun, whenever time allows them to.
Agreed, . Most of those posting here are not casual players. They are farmers that want more, and want to get it faster. |
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I think many of the people here need to truly understand what a "casual player" is. Casual players are not farmers. They are people that play through the game for fun, whenever time allows them to. They don't care that they don't make 50-100k per day, because they dont NEED that much (people that say they don't have enough for skills are full of BS).
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Strikes me, you have no idea of what casual play is if you think that casual players can't farm.
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Self-explanatory.
Also self-explanatory. Black armor. Wants nice armor. Has 15k armor. This thread is rife with other examples. If you have elite armors, shiny weapons, etc. you're not a casual player. There's the actual casual player, who only has a few plat and not even close to max equipment, and then there's the "casual player" farmer who doesn't think his 3 sets of armor is enough. Only one of them sees significant benefits from the removal of loot scaling. If you really want to help the casual player, ask for an increase in gold from everything, not just from farming. |
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Lets see now. I am a casual player, I have maybe half an hour to spare, maybe not even that, I don't know. Which sort of game play suits me better? Is it the 3 hour dungeon, in a PuG, that I would almost certainly have to abandon not even half way through? Or is it the solo, go out and blow up some trolls a few times sort of gameplay?
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You're an idiot. I don't have enough for skills. I can't afford to toss away 1k repeatedly for skills because Loot Scaling ensures that I can barely farm anything.
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Proph quests = skills.
Tomes = 500 gold.
Hero points = skills.
ty kthnxbai
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Proph quests = skills. (lol, those are only for prophecies characters)
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Nowhere here have you mentioned the actual acquisition of gold. Also, tomes are purchased from players, which makes them not appropriate for use in this debate since there is no merchant that sells them. And hero points only account for a few skills until you need to work on grinding them out.
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Need to aquire gold? Raptor farming...go spend an hour doing it. Get tons of eggs and bunnies...maybe an ele sword and dyes. Sell them. Buy skills.
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Does a casual player NEED a huge arsenal of skills? Nope. A hardcore player that utilizes many builds, yes. Casual, nope.
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So? If you can't "afford" a skill for 1k, spend a few precious minutes in Kamadan and buy a tome. Don't want to? Then you must not really need the skill THAT badly...
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