Should Lootscaling be removed after the new Rtm policy?

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Gli
Forge Runner
#621
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Originally Posted by Cab Tastic
Or perhaps, just perhaps, the people complaining used to enjoy farming.
So why don't they enjoy it now? Oh wait... maybe they enjoyed the excessive rewards more than the act of killing monsters? Because, monsters still die like they used to. If it's so fun to farm them, nothing is stopping anyone.
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Cab Tastic
Frost Gate Guardian
#622
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Originally Posted by Gli
They only stamped out the excesses. Solo farming without lootscaling introduced excessive amounts of gold into the game. There's plenty you can do in 30 minutes that provides a decent amount of gold and resources if you're not hung up about solofarming.

How much would you expect to make in 30 minutes anyway? I made 3.5k in 25 minutes earlier taking out all the wardens in the Arborstone explorable with myself and 3 heroes. I needed some tanned leather, got carried away and killed them all while I waited for guildies to finish what they were doing. 8.4k per hour sounds like a pretty good deal to me, for a casual player.
Excessive amounts of gold......inflation.....yada yada... for all of you who remember.. did it exist before LS.

All common mat, minor runes were all dirt cheap. Collectors armour could be argued as being cheaper as the constituents were easier to obtain.

Sure rare weapons etc were more expensive but thats still the case now.
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cebalrai
Jungle Guide
#623
I make plenty of money as it is now, and I'm not even a hardcore player. I have over a million gold and I've never even solo farmed for a minute.

If I can make money, why can't you guys?

/NOTSIGNED
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Cab Tastic
Frost Gate Guardian
#624
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Originally Posted by Gli
So why don't they enjoy it now? Oh wait... maybe they enjoyed the excessive rewards more than the act of killing monsters? Because, monsters still die like they used to. If it's so fun to farm them, nothing is stopping anyone.
I Like opening presents at christmas too. But its not quite the same when there's nothing inside.
Willow O Whisper
Willow O Whisper
Lion's Arch Merchant
#625
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Originally Posted by cebalrai
I make plenty of money as it is now, and I'm not even a hardcore player. I have over a million gold and I've never even solo farmed for a minute.

If I can make money, why can't you guys?

/NOTSIGNED
Please oh please then tell me what you are doing? Beacuse the rest of us sure haven't found this trick of yours.
bhavv
bhavv
Furnace Stoker
#626
When vanquishing all I make is 10k a day. From raptor farming over the last two days and playing a few extra hours then I normally would I made 25k on top of bunnies and eggs.

Im really looking forward to being able to afford one and a half pieces of elite armor for two days of farming :x

Loot scaling turned farming into grind. Bots dont care about that because they can grind all they like. But honest players that enjoy farming dont really get much from it anymore.
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OS T
Desert Nomad
#627
/signed,I miss old days when troll farming was it....Anet just keeping nerfing all the time,at least they could take away AI for monsters...hate lootscaling...
Murmel
Murmel
Krytan Explorer
#628
Isn't there anyway to get this post to Anet or something...?
Remove the loot-scaling goddamnit
Ever since the loot scaling came I've just become poorer and poorer each day (even if I farm). I know I'm not the only one with this problem... I don't think you should have to finish 1-2 campains just to afford elite amor as it is available so early... And not just elite armor, good golds and greens is at hellish price, thanks to hmm what? oh loot scaling -_-. Took my assa out yesterday for some green farming. farmed for about 2,5 hours. not a single green, nor elite tome or anything of value...

I'll sign this. /signed

Also, if we remove the darn loot scaling all the beggars will go away... Ppl begging for 50g for storage.. would take a couple of secs without loot scaling to get 50g in the low-lever regions.

I just concluded that this post doesn't make sense at all. The only thing worth reading really is the /signed.

Anyway. I'm done
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DivineEnvoy
Lion's Arch Merchant
#629
It is still possible to solo farm as the improvements of AI and anti-farming code have been removed, but with the addition of the loot scaling, the loots will be reduced. In other words, the enjoyment to solo farms is not affected, but the profit is. In short, loot-scaling does not affect satisfication to people's enjoyment of playing the game, but it affects the satisfication to people's greed to farming for profits.

Does anyone have an argument that isn't based on mere greed?
bhavv
bhavv
Furnace Stoker
#630
Anet unfortunately dont care about what the players want. They already have our money, and people (and bots) playing the game so they are going to leave it as it is, except for nerfing. Gaile has been on guru the last few days posting crap about text minis, but cant even be bothered to mention anything in this thread or even just say that she will mention it to the developers. And dont forget that after mentioning something to the developers, it takes a good 6-24 months to do anything about it.

To the post above there is very little profit attainable from farming, and whatever you do make will hardly be enough for elite armor or rare skins.
Murmel
Murmel
Krytan Explorer
#631
From my own experience (alot of GW) farmers usually don't tend to farm for fun.. Though some farm for the challenge, but the majority still farm for the greed.
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DivineEnvoy
Lion's Arch Merchant
#632
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Originally Posted by bhavv
To the post above there is very little profit attainable from farming, and whatever you do make will hardly be enough for elite armor or rare skins.
It depends on what you mean by farming. As for me, farming means using the most profitable method to gain money. In other words, there is no clear indication that I must solo, although it is still possible to earn profitable gold by soloing in certain locations. However, I have to admit, Hard Mode is usually a must to farming as it will generate more drops. Just because certain farming methods do not work, it doesn't imply that farming in general does not work.
bhavv
bhavv
Furnace Stoker
#633
I farm to try and obtain golds for wisdom, and try to make money for sweets and booze, and am currently wanting elite armor on two of my characters. That might sound as greed to you, but to me it is character development which is an important aspect for many players in RPGs. I never have money left over from farming and I havnt had 6 figures stored up since before LS when I used to farm loads and make 30-50k a day.

To the post above both vanquishing and raptor farming are done in HM and I can only make 10k a day from them. Going to UW for ecto then loses me 500-700 gold each run as entry costs 1k, I only make 300g from drops and am storing the ectos for gloves. Profit in terms of gold coins does not exist for me in GW.
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DivineEnvoy
Lion's Arch Merchant
#634
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Originally Posted by bhavv
I farm to try and obtain golds for wisdom, and try to make money for sweets and booze, and am currently wanting elite armor on two of my characters. That might sound as greed to you, but to me it is character development which is an important aspect for many players in RPGs. I never have money left over from farming and I havnt had 6 figures stored up since before LS when I used to farm loads and make 30-50k a day.
There is nothing wrong with aiming for a title or not, but I want to point out that the corresponding titles you are aiming for are rather very time-consuming. As for me, loot-scaling hasn't affected my income at all. Out of curiousity, may I ask how do you farm?
bhavv
bhavv
Furnace Stoker
#635
Vanquish > raptors > UW.

Money from the first two = entry for UW, a few consumables for vanquishing = nothing left over.

Before loot scaling I used to farm UW, Dragon moss and stone scale kirin and could make up to 50k daily.
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DivineEnvoy
Lion's Arch Merchant
#636
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Originally Posted by bhavv
Vanquish > raptors > UW.

Money from the first two = entry for UW, a few consumables for vanquishing = nothing left over.

Before loot scaling I used to farm UW, Dragon moss and stone scale kirin and could make up to 50k daily.
Generally, you don't really need to use consumables unless it's areas in EOTN.

I'm guessing you are doing 600/smite for UW; if so, why don't you try Temple runs?

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...mned_600/Smite

As the runner of the group, you can make about 20k per hour. Even if you are just one of the people who are getting the run, it is still possible to earn 5k-10k per hour.
bhavv
bhavv
Furnace Stoker
#637
I solo UW with elly, no one else needed, and you need consumables vs Jade Brotherhood in factions. Dragons stomp, triple chop / cyclone axe, ancestors rage mobs.

Everywhere else Celerities FTW. I cant vanq without them, I use one in every area.

And why assume im a monk when my character profesion says E?
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DivineEnvoy
Lion's Arch Merchant
#638
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Originally Posted by bhavv
I solo UW with elly, no one else needed, and you need consumables vs Jade Brotherhood in factions. Dragons stomp, triple chop / cyclone axe, ancestors rage mobs.

Everywhere else Celerities FTW. I cant vanq without them, I use one in every area.
That will be too expensive. Relevantly, if consumables didn't exist, then you wouldn't spend money to make these consumables. In other words, wouldn't you have more money then?

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Originally Posted by bhavv
And why assume im a monk when my character profesion says E?
Just because your character profession says E, it doesn't imply that you don't have a character whose profession is a Monk.
Kashrlyyk
Kashrlyyk
Jungle Guide
#639
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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy
It is still possible to solo farm as the improvements of AI and anti-farming code have been removed, but with the addition of the loot scaling, the loots will be reduced. In other words, the enjoyment to solo farms is not affected, but the profit is. In short, loot-scaling does not affect satisfication to people's enjoyment of playing the game, but it affects the satisfication to people's greed to farming for profits.

Does anyone have an argument that isn't based on mere greed?
Earning money is fun! The faster the better! The rewards, just like presents at birthdays, are part of the fun.
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cebalrai
Jungle Guide
#640
The people on this thread are spoiled and impatient. You're only satisfied doing things the quick and easy way. The fact that Anet let you get your way for so long is their fault though, so I largely blame them for spoiling you.

Here's a thought... Earn money the normal way. Stop looking for quick fixes and loopholes in the game to make your money. Yes, the notion of a single character can clear entire areas for insane amounts of cash is a loophole in the game. It was not the intent of the designers of the game, and they addressed the issue.

Play the game as it was intended and be happy you were permitted instant-gratification solo cash farming for so long.

/ADAMANTLY NOT SIGNED