Automated Tournaments starting in May 2008 will award brand new, in-game prizes
Witchblade
Another "trap" for those RMT fellas
Richardt
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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke
Of course, GWAMM and anything else on the KoaBD track gets no emote, which people have asked about for a long time.
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The fact is that people would enjoy getting this, despite the handful naysayers here on Guru. And if people enjoy it, it's not really a wasteful addition is it? Like I said earlier, if you don't like it, you don't have to do it. Noones forcing you.
FoxBat
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Originally Posted by Pale-Dim
if in the MAT i have guessed half correct i would get 3000 Tournament points which is 600keys. For doing nothing but selecting random names. and each key would sell for at current rate 3000g. thanks anet for my 1.8mil gold
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Shayne Hawke
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Originally Posted by 1 up and 2 down
I feel bad for everyone that bought and used all of those keys already.
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Richardt
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Originally Posted by evilseabass
I really hope they make this one retroactive, so that it counts the times you have opened the chest in the past...
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snaek
if zkeys stay @ 3k...
r12 is equivalent to obtaining sweet tooth 50x over
r10 (enough to get all 4 weapons on emote, minus the sword being gold) only takes sweet tooth x18
i personally never cared to get sweet tooth title...
but can someone tell me approx how long it takes to farm nuff money to get this title?
all i kno is that its possible to max it within holiday week events...
but during regular play?
also,look at the synergy of zaishen + sweet tooth + drunkard
since zkeys give u sweets + alcohol when opening it
i.e. y spend money on buyin sweets+alcohol, when u can jus buy zkeys and max out 3 titles simultaneousy?
r12 is equivalent to obtaining sweet tooth 50x over
r10 (enough to get all 4 weapons on emote, minus the sword being gold) only takes sweet tooth x18
i personally never cared to get sweet tooth title...
but can someone tell me approx how long it takes to farm nuff money to get this title?
all i kno is that its possible to max it within holiday week events...
but during regular play?
also,look at the synergy of zaishen + sweet tooth + drunkard
since zkeys give u sweets + alcohol when opening it
i.e. y spend money on buyin sweets+alcohol, when u can jus buy zkeys and max out 3 titles simultaneousy?
Shanaeri Rynale
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Originally Posted by Richardt
Who exactly is making you grind for this title? Besides I doubt all of ANet was working on this...it was prolly one or two people doing the actual coding while other teams focused on more pertinent stuff.
As pointed out by others all titles are either a huge grind or money sink. So what makes this one any different? |
E.g Minimal Grind
Cartographer, Protector, vanquisher, Guardian, Skill hunter(needs cash but small in comparison) xxx, of the north and Survivor
Others need what I would term reasonable amounts of grind.
All allegience titles, bar kurzick/luxon.
Titles that I would call extreme grind or loadsamoney are
Sweet tooth,Drunkard,party animal, Champion, Hero, Kurzick/Luxon, treasure hunter, wisdom, lucky, gladiator, Zaishen, Skillz and LDoA.
See what i'm getting at?
People need reasons to team up, play the game and generally get out there and have fun. Money/Grind titles do not do this, they encourage people to solo farm. buy ebay money or leech off others. None of which are particually healthy for a game in it's twighlight time. This is why this title is a bad one for the majority of GW players, they see this and go 'whats the point' I dont know what i'll get in GW2 for max kobd, I wont ever get the money or the teams that will help me max it. Stuff that, I'll go play something else. Which is a dangerous(for Anet) attitude to encourage.
Shayne Hawke
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Originally Posted by Richardt
What title really does? I mean, I can come on here and say "Hey I got 2 characters with LMoN!"-but all that proves is that I spend way to much time in EotN. With this title, it just proves that they spend to much time doing either AT's or guessing right through the Xunlai House thingy.
The fact is that people would enjoy getting this, despite the handful naysayers here on Guru. And if people enjoy it, it's not really a wasteful addition is it? Like I said earlier, if you don't like it, you don't have to do it. Noones forcing you. |
Just about any title can be cheapened, but I think LMoN usually at least shows you have an above average understanding of some of the hardest PvE forms available.
Snype
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Originally Posted by Ravious
Because PvP is more fun than PvE sometimes?
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Destiny2097
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JR
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Originally Posted by Gli
Yes. Because when you grind for reputation, there's an 'Environment' versus which you are grinding, which is markedly absent when you buying Zaishen keys.
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Pale-Dim
Ahh foxbat now i get it. I had seen it has the xunlai tournament prizes had gone up. would have been nice to see my normal 50-150pts suddenly increase 15x 
oh well even 20 keys is still free 60k at todays pricepoint for keys whichs seems to be increasing by the hour
oh well even 20 keys is still free 60k at todays pricepoint for keys whichs seems to be increasing by the hour
X Tigercat X
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Originally Posted by Pale-Dim
Think about these numbers and tell me zkey prices will be high.
if in the MAT i have guessed half correct i would get 3000 Tournament points which is 600keys. For doing nothing but selecting random names. and each key would sell for at current rate 3000g. thanks anet for my 1.8mil gold lets say people will pay 5k/key. Thats 3 Mil. |
carbajac
Well, since it's too much trouble for me to go and get a deer, this'll be something I can get for my time spent in ab and ra.
All for it.
All for it.
Shayne Hawke
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Originally Posted by snaek
if zkeys stay @ 3k...
look at the synergy of zaishen + sweet tooth + drunkard since zkeys give u sweets + alcohol when opening it i.e. y spend money on buyin sweets+alcohol, when u can jus buy zkeys and max out 3 titles simultaneousy? |
Ctb
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You haven't exactly disagreed with my overall assessment, so I assume you're taking the position that you recognize that there are problems but you don't care if they get fixed or not?
Also, I don't consider RA and TA PvP in any meaningful form. I view them more as minigames because they don't really give you much of a footing to move up into the more "serious" PvP areas. When I speak of PvP, I'm referring to HA and GvG, primarily, just for clarification of my intent. So when I say it's "inaccessible", what I'm referring to is the massive stagnation of competetive play in GvG and HA.
Pae
It's just like the annoyance with the late party animal title but meh -.-
Edit: and the minipigs
"For example, if you position yourself correctly, you can use it as a finishing move after you defeat someone!" - Promoting being an ass ftl >_>
Edit: and the minipigs
"For example, if you position yourself correctly, you can use it as a finishing move after you defeat someone!" - Promoting being an ass ftl >_>
Richardt
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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale
Not all of them are grind or money based. All of them can be bought ofc, but
E.g Minimal Grind Cartographer, Protector, vanquisher, Guardian, Skill hunter(needs cash but small in comparison) xxx, of the north and Survivor Others need what I would term reasonable amounts of grind. All allegience titles, bar kurzick/luxon. Titles that I would call extreme grind or loadsamoney are Sweet tooth,Drunkard,party animal, Champion, Hero, Kurzick/Luxon, treasure hunter, wisdom, lucky, gladiator, Zaishen, Skillz. See what i'm getting at? People need reasons to team up, play the game and generally get out there and have fun. Money/Grind titles do not do this, they encourage people to solo farm. buy ebay money or leech off others. |
But I would disagree with Vanquisher and Survivor-both feature a good deal of grind.
Sure this doesn't encourage team play, but look at the titles that do (not including legendary):
3xProtector
3xGuardian
3xVanquisher
Legendary Master of the North
Hero
Gladiator
Champion
That's 13 titles that encourage team play. Other titles that can be used for team play but not really neccessary (again ignoring legendary):
3xCartographer
3xSkill Hunter
Kurzick
Luxon
Norn
Vanguard
Asura
Dwarf
That's 12 more titles! And if I counted right, that's out of 36 possible titles (again ignoring legendary).
So the titles that are very specific to non-group activities is less than 1/3rd of all titles. I understand where you're coming from, but I don't really see the big issue.
natural_Causes
People complain all the time on this forum that they want A-Net to add more content to the game. They complain that the game is getting old and they want something fresh. Now they go to add something and people complain? I don't get it.
zamial
I like the idea of getting the 1st rank, FOR FUN.
I do not pvp unless a guldie needs a filler on there team.
The 1 thing that should be implemented BEFORE this gets way out of hand is an hourly limit say 1 time per level or the endless spamming of this is gonna lag out towns even worse than they are now.
The other thing I don't understand is with the /rank emote if you do it over a fallen enemy it can cause you to loose rank. This new 1 is designed to be done on a fallen enemy??????
future letter to support:
It was after a long match and I did not mean to type in /rank, I typoed, it was supposed to be /zrank. Can I please have my fame back?
I do not pvp unless a guldie needs a filler on there team.
The 1 thing that should be implemented BEFORE this gets way out of hand is an hourly limit say 1 time per level or the endless spamming of this is gonna lag out towns even worse than they are now.
The other thing I don't understand is with the /rank emote if you do it over a fallen enemy it can cause you to loose rank. This new 1 is designed to be done on a fallen enemy??????
future letter to support:
It was after a long match and I did not mean to type in /rank, I typoed, it was supposed to be /zrank. Can I please have my fame back?
Zinger314
This is definately the weirdest move ArenaNet has made.
So, Skill > Time...hmm.
So, Skill > Time...hmm.
Gli
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Originally Posted by JR
...huh? Expand on that please.
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When you're grinding for rep titles, you're playing versus the environment. Hence, PvE titles.
When you're buying Zaishen keys from a PvP player, you're not playing versus the environment. Hence, something other than PvE is involved.
And just to destroy my own argument before anyone else does, yes, I do realize there's Balthazar faction to be made by playing vs. the Zaishen Elite.
I sure as hell won't ever consider it a PvE title, and PvPers apparently don't consider it a PvP one. I guess I'll just have to call it a 'wealth title', or somesuch.
Traveller
I don't see how this is considered a PvE title. Because you can buy the keys? Pretty much no PvE effort whatsoever needed. Now, if there would be emotes for completed Protector, Skill Hunter or maybe Cartographer title tracks, THOSE would be the PvE title emotes (some) people have been asking for.
The whole Zaishen chest idea has always been a bit confusing to me. It gives PvE items and you need PvP faction to open it. Who is it trying to cater to?
[edit] ^^ the term "wealth title" is a good one. Just like Drunkard, Sweet tooth and others people can max with money (yes, I do know there are people who work for their items).
The whole Zaishen chest idea has always been a bit confusing to me. It gives PvE items and you need PvP faction to open it. Who is it trying to cater to?
[edit] ^^ the term "wealth title" is a good one. Just like Drunkard, Sweet tooth and others people can max with money (yes, I do know there are people who work for their items).
Shayne Hawke
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Originally Posted by natural_Causes
People complain all the time on this forum that they want A-Net to add more content to the game. They complain that the game is getting old and they want something fresh. Now they go to add something and people complain? I don't get it.
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This was far from it, by the looks of it.
Selket
The only way I can see this being met with much higher approval is if they made it retroactive in the sense that when the title is introduced everyone is given points equivalent to the amount of faction they've earned, divided by 5000 multiplied by the 5 points per key.
Which would be a lot better than just making it start fresh :\
Which would be a lot better than just making it start fresh :\
Targuil
Okay... how i should say this.
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?
Yay for rich bitches and grinders. Too bad i don't like those.
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?
Yay for rich bitches and grinders. Too bad i don't like those.
Richardt
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If you'd look around, a lot of people are specifically asking what they would like to see from ANet.
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People wanted a KoaBD emote. They also wanted one for the other forms of PvP play.
So they made a title to appease both the PvE'ers and PvP'ers. Is it a perfect system? No, but it is added content, and even if only 2 or 3 people worked on it, I'd say they did a good job-you can't make everybody happy.
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Originally Posted by Selket
The only way I can see this being met with much higher approval is if they made it retroactive in the sense that when the title is introduced everyone is given points equivalent to the amount of faction they've earned, divided by 5000 multiplied by the 5 points per key.
Which would be a lot better than just making it start fresh :\ |
OH! And hi Regina
Shayne Hawke
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Originally Posted by Selket
The only way I can see this being met with much higher approval is if they made it retroactive in the sense that when the title is introduced everyone is given points equivalent to the amount of faction they've earned, divided by 5000 multiplied by the 5 points per key.
Which would be a lot better than just making it start fresh :\ |
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Originally Posted by Richardt
If you think about this, this is a compromise.
People wanted a KoaBD emote. They also wanted one for the other forms of PvP play. So they made a title to appease both the PvE'ers and PvP'ers. Is it a perfect system? No, but it is added content, and even if only 2 or 3 people worked on it, I'd say they did a good job-you can't make everybody happy. |
Shanaeri Rynale
It's not retroactive, so i'm being told. The only way in which this could be called PvE is that in theory it's possible to buy the title.
It's not that the effort is unapreciated, it's just mis-directed imho...
It's not that the effort is unapreciated, it's just mis-directed imho...
Gli
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Originally Posted by natural_Causes
People complain all the time on this forum that they want A-Net to add more content to the game. They complain that the game is getting old and they want something fresh. Now they go to add something and people complain? I don't get it.
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Orange Milk
Wasted space really.
PvEers like to title chase and get cool things.
SO now as a PvEer tries to break into PvP he spends his faction on Z Keys instead of getting unlocks toward UAX to improve himself in PvP, because he has several more reasons of incentive now to use the keys instead.
Which means A) The new PvPer is stuck running sway in HA becuase he never unlocks anything else to learn anything else and therefore never grasps PvP properly B) the new PvPer continues to run his superleet PvE build thats not a super leet PvP build in RA because he wants ZKeys instead of UAX an has nothing else to run, therfore again failing to properly grasp PvP.
So a "casual" PvPer is less likey to make the move over to "serious" PvPer because he lacks the skills/equiptment/knowledge to do so. And with the ever present "Get Rich quick Transmogifier Tonics" calling to them with each "lottery" ZKey, why bother ulocking skills?
With the change in Rewards it has been surmised that the competition level in high end PvP will drop off as people who sought RM rewards move on to other games, a perfect door opening for the low level to new level PvPer to move into other forms of PvP than RA/AB. But refering to my previous paragragh the need for items/titles will out weigh the want for further involment into Higher forms of PvP an that level of PvP will not get the needed new influx of players as the old move on and these areas will suffer.
Dumb title, dumb emote, hurts PvP.
A Balt faction title track would have been alot better choice here. GIve it a level 6-7 to display a trophy in the HoM and you could grab a bit more activity in PvP, all this does is create Key selling/buying spamming in Balts island districts. It's a waste of space, balts title would have been so much better.
PvEers like to title chase and get cool things.
SO now as a PvEer tries to break into PvP he spends his faction on Z Keys instead of getting unlocks toward UAX to improve himself in PvP, because he has several more reasons of incentive now to use the keys instead.
Which means A) The new PvPer is stuck running sway in HA becuase he never unlocks anything else to learn anything else and therefore never grasps PvP properly B) the new PvPer continues to run his superleet PvE build thats not a super leet PvP build in RA because he wants ZKeys instead of UAX an has nothing else to run, therfore again failing to properly grasp PvP.
So a "casual" PvPer is less likey to make the move over to "serious" PvPer because he lacks the skills/equiptment/knowledge to do so. And with the ever present "Get Rich quick Transmogifier Tonics" calling to them with each "lottery" ZKey, why bother ulocking skills?
With the change in Rewards it has been surmised that the competition level in high end PvP will drop off as people who sought RM rewards move on to other games, a perfect door opening for the low level to new level PvPer to move into other forms of PvP than RA/AB. But refering to my previous paragragh the need for items/titles will out weigh the want for further involment into Higher forms of PvP an that level of PvP will not get the needed new influx of players as the old move on and these areas will suffer.
Dumb title, dumb emote, hurts PvP.
A Balt faction title track would have been alot better choice here. GIve it a level 6-7 to display a trophy in the HoM and you could grab a bit more activity in PvP, all this does is create Key selling/buying spamming in Balts island districts. It's a waste of space, balts title would have been so much better.
JONO51
well, higher key prices is nice i guess. Just made 100k+5e for putting some big names in little boxes
Nazar Razak
I dont see the problem with titles anyway. I myself just use them as Achievements. (think x360), If you dont like how you dont have yours as fast as everyone, then quit using it as your E-Testis (patent pending). and just get them for fun.
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by natural_Causes
People complain all the time on this forum that they want A-Net to add more content to the game. They complain that the game is getting old and they want something fresh. Now they go to add something and people complain? I don't get it.
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Though, to be fair, adding a new title doesn't mean they added new content, just some extra grind.
Edit: Nice change of the thread title, trolling OPs with thread titles that have nothing to do with the topic make finding relevant discussions of issues impossible.
roshanabey2
it is just a bit of fun, why would you complain?
Zena Starlight
Personally, I think they should just base it off of your total Balthazar faction. If they want to tie Z-Key into this than just have opening a chest add 10k to your total faction. (Not actually adding faction before someone misunderstand me) That would make the title buy-able but people could still get it from PvPing in general.
zwei2stein
I just dont see point.
Why does anet keep adding titles that are not fun to get?
Clicking on stack of beers every minute is not fun.
Opening Thousands chests chests is not fun.
IDing Thousands item is not fun.
Now this? Is this what anet imagines that player players enjoy? Or are they stupidly wasting resources on stuff that only few disfunctional people would chase and which is not even cool to begin with?
Is this another example of impossible carrot stuff that would form core of gw2 gameplay?
Why does anet keep adding titles that are not fun to get?
Clicking on stack of beers every minute is not fun.
Opening Thousands chests chests is not fun.
IDing Thousands item is not fun.
Now this? Is this what anet imagines that player players enjoy? Or are they stupidly wasting resources on stuff that only few disfunctional people would chase and which is not even cool to begin with?
Is this another example of impossible carrot stuff that would form core of gw2 gameplay?
X Tigercat X
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Originally Posted by Orange Milk
Wasted space really.
PvEers like to title chase and get cool things. SO now as a PvEer tries to break into PvP he spends his faction on Z Keys instead of getting unlocks toward UAX to improve himself in PvP, because he has several more reasons of incentive now to use the keys instead. Which means A) The new PvPer is stuck running sway in HA becuase he never unlocks anything else to learn anything else and therefore never grasps PvP properly B) the new PvPer continues to run his superleet PvE build thats not a super leet PvP build in RA because he wants ZKeys instead of UAX an has nothing else to run, therfore again failing to properly grasp PvP. So a "casual" PvPer is less likey to make the move over to "serious" PvPer because he lacks the skills/equiptment/knowledge to do so. And with the ever present "Get Rich quick Transmogifier Tonics" calling to them with each "lottery" ZKey, why bother ulocking skills? With the change in Rewards it has been surmised that the competition level in high end PvP will drop off as people who sought RM rewards move on to other games, a perfect door opening for the low level to new level PvPer to move into other forms of PvP than RA/AB. But refering to my previous paragragh the need for items/titles will out weigh the want for further involment into Higher forms of PvP an that level of PvP will not get the needed new influx of players as the old move on and these areas will suffer. Dumb title, dumb emote, hurts PvP. A Balt faction title track would have been alot better choice here. GIve it a level 6-7 to display a trophy in the HoM and you could grab a bit more activity in PvP, all this does is create Key selling/buying spamming in Balts island districts. It's a waste of space, balts title would have been so much better. |
SerenitySilverstar
From the mouths of the 99% of people actually playing the game, enjoying it, and not bothering with whining forums:
Hey, cool addition. Thanks!
Hey, cool addition. Thanks!
Darkobra
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Don't they already consider "ranking" unsportsmanlike?
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