A/E Master Sliver of Swiftness - HM Farming!

traeskapa

traeskapa

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by kicks66
How do you clear the chamber then? You wont be able to pull the graspings seperately from the aatxes in HM surely? Well, that's the thing, it doesn't matter if you pull aatxes.
They can't hurt you with SF on, so just keep hitting the graspings, and run to plains when you're done.

English Warrior

English Warrior

LEET HAXXOR!

Join Date: Feb 2007

Random Arena

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so this build cant kill aatxe what makes it better than the A/Me that can?

ReZDoGG

ReZDoGG

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Indian Township, ME

Nativ War Party (NWP)

Rt/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeds
so this build cant kill aatxe what makes it better than the A/Me that can? Sliver build can kill bladed fairly easy, but daggers won't... they will kill you from your melee attacks. I personally still like A/Me for farming, as it is thorough and kills everything. Sliver has disadvantage because some enemies take along time to kill when there are only a few attacking... Of course you need alot of enemies pulled together to get as many kills as you can with sliver, but usually leaving a few enemies behind. Sliver has its own advantages though, since A/Me can't kill Cave Spiders quick enough, Sliver can... same goes for some other monsters with monks or ritualist. Both builds are both great to use, no need to use one or the other, use both for different farming situations as they both have their own advantages/disadvantages. But all in all, sins are great for farming.

ReZDoGG

ReZDoGG

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Indian Township, ME

Nativ War Party (NWP)

Rt/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put Glyph of Swiftness + Deadly Paradox + The newly unnerfed Shadow Form together. But seriously on topic, I just tanked the whole Deep in NM, and the only problem was the Freezing Nightmares, my guild group had a fun time when I died after they expunged me. Beyond that, a Perma-SF sin was extremely useful for pulling mobs, seperating Kanaxai from his mob, and even completely tanking tens of twenties of enemies, except in the enchantment room.

Also, I found a build to do the Chaos Planes in 27 minutes flat. Here it is:

[skill]Glyph of Swiftness[/skill][skill]Deadly Paradox[/skill][skill]Shadow Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Fire Attunement[/skill][skill]Phoenix[/skill][skill]Inferno[/skill][skill]Flame Djinn's Haste[/skill]

Pretty simple really, don't spam your AoE attacks, make sure you have enough energy. It's alot faster than Sliver spam, and I haven't tried it out in HM yet, but it will probably take a bit longer, but work. Of course everyone knew about Glyph of Swiftness as soon as SF was changed, some probably knew about it before the update because there are a few people that know what the upcoming updates will be.

Basically any A/E build is good to use now... daggers, fire magic, earth magic... each one of course has its own advantages/disadvantages. Use em all is what I do...

I tried this Fire build out, and it works pretty good for farming UW. I was able to arrive at Chaos Fields in like 5 minutes. I don't know the exact run of Mindblades, so it took me almost an hour to clear... but I did end up gettin 5 ectos. Nice build. So many good Sin builds now

English Warrior

English Warrior

LEET HAXXOR!

Join Date: Feb 2007

Random Arena

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could the fire one handle aatxes fast?

ReZDoGG

ReZDoGG

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Indian Township, ME

Nativ War Party (NWP)

Rt/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by tuna-fish_sushi
Heres what I use for chaos plains HM and FoW beach cave HM

Attributes:
11+3 Dagger
11+3+1 Shadow arts
8+3 crit strikes
3+3 deadly arts

Weapon needed:
Zealous
+5 energy
+20% encahnts
daggers

Glyph of swiftness
Deadly Paradox
Shadow Form
Critical agility
Golden Fox Strike (or any 5 energy 4 second recharge lead attack)
Wild Strike (or any 5 energy 4 second recharge offhand attack)
Death Blossom (main damage dealer)
Dash (use it to run over traps and not get hit)

cleared HM plains in 50mins (can be faster)
cleared HM beach+cave in 30mins (can be faster) Sounds good, but having that low of health is not that safe even with Shadowform. Couple signets, touch skills, or AoE spell would murdah ya. No need for Sup deadly arts, dagger or critical runes... just use minor or major runes, and really don't need deadly arts rune at all. But of course if you can make it without takin any damage, using low health and sup runes can be a good advantage for damage. Two Major Runes for Dagger/Critical seems to work ok.

Try this out:

[build prof=a/e sha=11+3+1 dag=10+2 cri=10+2 dead=1 box][Glyph of Swiftness][Deadly Paradox][Shadow form][Golden Fox Strike][Golden Fang Strike][Death Blossom][Way of the Lotus][Critical Agility][/build]

This one seems decent if you don't need running skill... or you can always just use cupcakes. Only place I tested it so far was Jade Knights though, kinda fun using daggers for change though.

I just tried it in Fow HM, works good for clearing the beach, but I can't seem to get around Cave Spiders Healing Spring. I know people say if you get close enough to them they won't use it, but that doesn't seem to be the case. These SF daggers builds is also good if you want to dual wit someone, so you both can get right in there and get some kills, sounds like fun.

Nevermind, I figured out the Cave Spiders... I was taking too many groups at a time. Been so long since I farmed Cave spiders with Melee builds. Sux you can only take on one group at a time, and have to pull them as tight together as possible. Also, it would be hella quick to dual with two sins. HAve one person with Sliver, and another with Dagger build. Sliver can take out as many as they can to speed things up, then let guy with Daggers kill off the rest... Definately goin to be tryin it with my bro.

Jhadur

Jhadur

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Glob of Ectospasm [GoE]

Is there a way to kill the charged blacknesses in the spawning pools with the sliver build? Their aoe and touch skills kill me quick

speedy21589

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jhadur
Is there a way to kill the charged blacknesses in the spawning pools with the sliver build? Their aoe and touch skills kill me quick shock is going to keep you on your back a lot of the time if you don't have anti-KD (ward v stability, i am unstoppable, whatever), and you are either going to need to kill them before they can kill you with their skills (doubtful, especially if you're using multiple superior runes and/or are running in HM), or you are going to need some self-healing. Probably possible with a specialized build (too lazy to think of one), but probably not worth it.

ReZDoGG

ReZDoGG

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Indian Township, ME

Nativ War Party (NWP)

Rt/Mo

I usually never liked Dagger builds for farming, but now its awesome with A/E... I think we all need to get together and have someone Make a Master guide for all of the Sin farming builds. I'd do it, but I would need everyones permission to post their builds on it. We can also all get together and make videos, and a big list of places to farm for all the builds... List can be similar to what i got goin, but mention which builds can farm beside the monster/location.

Lest121

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Army of Darkness

A/Mo

I don't feel like reading all those pages, but Perma/sin works on the Ele outs Olfstead.

Maccarelly

Maccarelly

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

Aura of Revolution [Aura]

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I just solo'ed The Missing Vanguard from EOTN. Did it in Normal mode, so easy no doubt it would work hard mode.

Mickey

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeds
could the fire one handle aatxes fast? Nah, fire one is only for use on Mindblades. Aatxes take too long, with the fire one, you just rush all the graspings, then run to the Mindblades.

Avatar Exico

Avatar Exico

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Way to Cold at Home:Illnois and School:Iowa.

We Trip Hard On [AcID]

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I wonder if this Sin build is able to do all of Sorrows Furance. Only problem is the healers.

Marverick

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put Glyph of Swiftness + Deadly Paradox + The newly unnerfed Shadow Form together. But seriously on topic, I just tanked the whole Deep in NM, and the only problem was the Freezing Nightmares, my guild group had a fun time when I died after they expunged me. Beyond that, a Perma-SF sin was extremely useful for pulling mobs, seperating Kanaxai from his mob, and even completely tanking tens of twenties of enemies, except in the enchantment room.

Also, I found a build to do the Chaos Planes in 27 minutes flat. Here it is:

[skill]Glyph of Swiftness[/skill][skill]Deadly Paradox[/skill][skill]Shadow Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Fire Attunement[/skill][skill]Phoenix[/skill][skill]Inferno[/skill][skill]Flame Djinn's Haste[/skill]

Pretty simple really, don't spam your AoE attacks, make sure you have enough energy. It's alot faster than Sliver spam, and I haven't tried it out in HM yet, but it will probably take a bit longer, but work. Is 3 spells enough to kill them?

Avatar Exico

Avatar Exico

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Way to Cold at Home:Illnois and School:Iowa.

We Trip Hard On [AcID]

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Before the Buff of SF. In UW Run my allaince leader and I ment the few people who were able to get Perman SF wit just 21sec at 16 Shadow Arts. But what he was explaining that a very good way to kill monsters fast is use the Deadly Arts as a dmg dealer. He would be using Dancing Daggers to kill foes 1 by 1 but it faster than using Degan. After few thoughts. Combine Dancing Daggers with Radiation Field use Lesser Energy to help energy management with Rad Field the skill 15 energy. It will work on HM but it sorta slow but you dont have to worry about the monsters running. The AoE dmg would be degan from the Ward.

tuna-fish_sushi

tuna-fish_sushi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

California

E/A

Hey, I need someone with a Perma SF assasin who has completed factions to test something and if it works we can start making alot of money fast! First person to pm in game for details!
<-- IGN

Willow O Whisper

Willow O Whisper

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

Denmark

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

Me/A

... Ok i think there is something wrong with me either the sf won't recharge fast enough or i will be to low on energy to cast this goes for both my sin and my mes..... Can someone tell me what i'm doing wrong?

absolutcrobi

absolutcrobi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Naked Pagans

Rt/Me

i used this to clear out all of the corsairs in the latenda bog. sadly no collosal scimitars though...

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It wasn't the fastest farm ever but i was able to kill all 100 or more of them.

absolutcrobi

absolutcrobi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Naked Pagans

Rt/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper
... Ok i think there is something wrong with me either the sf won't recharge fast enough or i will be to low on energy to cast this goes for both my sin and my mes..... Can someone tell me what i'm doing wrong? I you have 15 shadow arts, a 20% enchant mod the glyph and deadly paradox there is no reason it wouldn't rechange before it ends.

Willow O Whisper

Willow O Whisper

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

Denmark

Knights Of The Sacred Light [KSL]

Me/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by absolutcrobi
I you have 15 shadow arts, a 20% enchant mod the glyph and deadly paradox there is no reason it wouldn't rechange before it ends. Yep recharge on sin is no prop but energy is .

Moloch Vein

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

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The energy problem is why builds using daggers become very attractive, as well as areas with no heavy blocking (or riposte/deadly riposte which will cut through SF).

Mickey

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moloch Vein
The energy problem is why builds using daggers become very attractive, as well as areas with no heavy blocking (or riposte/deadly riposte which will cut through SF). For some reason, I never have energy problems, and I'm at 46 energy.

Moloch Vein

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

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Paradox/Swift/SF is a 30e combo. If you add a couple of ele nukes even with GoLE you'll run into heavy e-problems. Only real way to solve this is through zealous auto-attacking, I think.

Jhadur

Jhadur

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Glob of Ectospasm [GoE]

I run the Ebon Standard/Sliver variant and I never have energy problems on my sin. Unless you're spamming sliver without waiting for GoLE.
I am running 55ish energy though so maybe that helps

mazza558

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/

I'm actually finding the dagger variant a lot faster to use, especially in tombs.

legacyofkain85

legacyofkain85

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Lady Ainowa

Quote:
Originally Posted by traeskapa
Well, that's the thing, it doesn't matter if you pull aatxes.
They can't hurt you with SF on, so just keep hitting the graspings, and run to plains when you're done. i dont see how aatxes can hurt u with shadow form on,unless u hit them in melee (using sword,axe,hammer,scythe,daggers)because they have ripostes especialy deadly riposte which is energy activated unlike riposte

P.S: for uw i still use a/me because having awesome energy management is better for me than sliver armor altho sometimes i wish i could go a/e/me lol

ReZDoGG

ReZDoGG

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Indian Township, ME

Nativ War Party (NWP)

Rt/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Avatar Exico
Before the Buff of SF. In UW Run my allaince leader and I ment the few people who were able to get Perman SF wit just 21sec at 16 Shadow Arts. But what he was explaining that a very good way to kill monsters fast is use the Deadly Arts as a dmg dealer. He would be using Dancing Daggers to kill foes 1 by 1 but it faster than using Degan. After few thoughts. Combine Dancing Daggers with Radiation Field use Lesser Energy to help energy management with Rad Field the skill 15 energy. It will work on HM but it sorta slow but you dont have to worry about the monsters running. The AoE dmg would be degan from the Ward.
Yup, that was the usual A/Me Echo SF build... I was using the Radiation/Cry of Pain Perma build since 5 months ago. It still works pretty good, and is still fairly fast on killing enemies. But now with 32 sec Shadow Form and Glyph of Swiftness, there is alot more builds you can use as Perma Shadow with Ele skills. Builds are almost basically the same as before for A/E, but now you can add one skill to keep Shadow Form on to speed farming up... instead of using Shadow Of Haste. Enemies still flee from degen in HM when their health gets low, but with long lasting degen enemies fleeing is not a problem.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moloch Vein
Paradox/Swift/SF is a 30e combo. If you add a couple of ele nukes even with GoLE you'll run into heavy e-problems. Only real way to solve this is through zealous auto-attacking, I think. Aslong as you know how to manage ur own energy, you should be fine with any A/E build. Sliver or Fire builds work fine, sometimes you might get low on energy, but you always end up with enough to stay alive, and eventually you will regen to almost full energy. The fire build is fine for energy, actually was alot better than I thought... using GoLE and Fire Attunement is enough to keep your energy more than half most of the time.

Koricen

Koricen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2008

[LoA]

GoLE should cover you with a Sliver Armor build, as far as my experience has been. When I run a dagger build I always keep a +20 energy 20% enchant staff with me in case of an emergency. I've yet to run a nuke build.

traeskapa

traeskapa

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by legacyofkain85
i dont see how aatxes can hurt u with shadow form on,unless u hit them in melee (using sword,axe,hammer,scythe,daggers)because they have ripostes especialy deadly riposte which is energy activated unlike riposte

P.S: for uw i still use a/me because having awesome energy management is better for me than sliver armor altho sometimes i wish i could go a/e/me lol Well, that was what I said, they can't hurt you.

Lest121

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Army of Darkness

A/Mo

Fun outside Olafstead.

Lest121

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Army of Darkness

A/Mo

Glint's Challenge works with A/E sliver Armor, You must wait for all the Groups to arrive takes about 3 mins, just stand there keeping SF up, if you know about the W/rit farm just stand in the same spot and wait.......... Sadly can't tell you about the second wave because i messed up and DIED, fail to renew SF in time but I had all but 3 of them dead, and I was doing it in HM.

10 cores before i died woot i am gonna get my gloves for Free.

PS:Watch out for Spirit Rift you are dead in 2 secs.

Warriorsrmint

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

Am i right in thinking that in UW you can solo:
Aataxes
Graspings
Smites
Mindblades

Is there anything else you can solo in uw?

Mr.Kotte

Mr.Kotte

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/

Terrorwebs. Add anti-KD and gogo

Mister_Abc

Mister_Abc

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

Planet Earth.

Amazon Basin

Mo/

how would you farm Smites with their Zealous Fire?

Warriorsrmint

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister_Abc
how would you farm Smites with their Zealous Fire? Something like shadows refuge or just run out of it

Warriorsrmint

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

Just found a farmable boss for elite war tomes, if you have the quest An End to Suffering you can lure the vermin beside where Afflicted Tunkan spawns just outside Senji's Corner, try and get sliver to target Tunkan when you have the 4 vermin atacking you aswell because he use endure pain, take vipers defence and either tenais crystal or aftershock and he will drop fairly quick.

Edit- The quest is non repeatable by the looks so you have to abandon it after you kill him.
Edit 2- just add this into your Vermin run for a bit more cash.

ReZDoGG

ReZDoGG

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Indian Township, ME

Nativ War Party (NWP)

Rt/Mo

Update: Added Part 2 Video to list. It shows a few more places that can be farmed affectively with Sliver. Enjoy.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte
Terrorwebs. Add anti-KD and gogo Why do you need anti-knockdown when they can't target you w/ MS in the first place?

Warriorsrmint

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chthon
Why do you need anti-knockdown when they can't target you w/ MS in the first place? I thought MS was an indirect AoE because its cast to your location not actually on you.