3-Necro HM Build
cyber88
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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit
Only that for the same playing style, one build is clearly superior over the other. And I dont use consummables to get rid of DP either.
Tat's true. consets r too ex imho. sold the set i got from commpleting eotn quests
Bob Grunter
thank you for the 4 man set up
shadowshadi18
Does anyone know where Sab got this build from? Because this build is the first edition of a series of builds that was made to vanquish, HM missions, etc. and i'm pretty sure that he's not the original 'creator' of this build.
I am not here to complain about how he took the build as his own, cause the build HAS been improved (a couple of times at least), I'm just wondering who told him about the build.
I am not here to complain about how he took the build as his own, cause the build HAS been improved (a couple of times at least), I'm just wondering who told him about the build.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Shadow
Does anyone know where Sab got this build from?
I believe the idea came from the HA gimmick, Spiritway.
From what I do know, Sab presented it in Dan's thread known as "Synergising Hero Builds" on the first page. That was the first place I seen the idea of it outside of HA anyway.
From what I do know, Sab presented it in Dan's thread known as "Synergising Hero Builds" on the first page. That was the first place I seen the idea of it outside of HA anyway.
-Lotus-
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Originally Posted by shadowshadi18
Does anyone know where Sab got this build from? Because this build is the first edition of a series of builds that was made to vanquish, HM missions, etc. and i'm pretty sure that he's not the original 'creator' of this build.
I am not here to complain about how he took the build as his own, cause the build HAS been improved (a couple of times at least), I'm just wondering who told him about the build. Sab was the first to bring this hero idea to the forums and community in general. other people could have been running it already, but she was the first to post it. and the idea comes from the insane Jagged-battery all-necro teams that ruled HA until they got soul reapng and every useful skill in the team nerfed.
I am not here to complain about how he took the build as his own, cause the build HAS been improved (a couple of times at least), I'm just wondering who told him about the build. Sab was the first to bring this hero idea to the forums and community in general. other people could have been running it already, but she was the first to post it. and the idea comes from the insane Jagged-battery all-necro teams that ruled HA until they got soul reapng and every useful skill in the team nerfed.
Bob Grunter
this 4 man setup really helped me
uzumaki
Thank you, this build has worked amazingly so far ;O
Vanquishing elona was a breeze overall, barely any deaths or none at all in some areas. This build is so flexible aswel, i could adjust many of the skills depending on the mobs in the area.
The biggest difficulty i faced with this build was against mobs with huge aoe damage especially the bosses... D:< they pretty much wipe you in seconds so i tried to leave them till last. I tried alot of things like microing the resto's kaoli to get 2 party wide heals back to back, microing prot spirit and the curse necro's weakness, moving around heroes like crazy and also leeroying the boss asap but half or all of the team still got wiped in some cases. The problem with this was the risk of getting 60dp right at the end of clearing and i ended up using alot of consumables and getting wiped 3-4 times before finally taking the aoe bosses down. This happened to me twice as far as i can remember against an sf elemantal boss who wipes in 2 sf's and a rediculous group with 4 fire eles and a chanelling rit boss with spirit rift and destructive was glaive.
I'm just wondering how people handle huge aoe damage with this build? I think im going to have trouble with vanquishing factions/dungeons =/
I'm using a crit scythe sin atm which i love because of the aoe but i'm considering switching to a/w with save yourself to counter big aoe damage, my only problem is that my allegience rank is 1 lol... im not sure how effective it will be? Any advice?
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Vanquishing elona was a breeze overall, barely any deaths or none at all in some areas. This build is so flexible aswel, i could adjust many of the skills depending on the mobs in the area.
The biggest difficulty i faced with this build was against mobs with huge aoe damage especially the bosses... D:< they pretty much wipe you in seconds so i tried to leave them till last. I tried alot of things like microing the resto's kaoli to get 2 party wide heals back to back, microing prot spirit and the curse necro's weakness, moving around heroes like crazy and also leeroying the boss asap but half or all of the team still got wiped in some cases. The problem with this was the risk of getting 60dp right at the end of clearing and i ended up using alot of consumables and getting wiped 3-4 times before finally taking the aoe bosses down. This happened to me twice as far as i can remember against an sf elemantal boss who wipes in 2 sf's and a rediculous group with 4 fire eles and a chanelling rit boss with spirit rift and destructive was glaive.
I'm just wondering how people handle huge aoe damage with this build? I think im going to have trouble with vanquishing factions/dungeons =/
I'm using a crit scythe sin atm which i love because of the aoe but i'm considering switching to a/w with save yourself to counter big aoe damage, my only problem is that my allegience rank is 1 lol... im not sure how effective it will be? Any advice?
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DarkSpirit
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Originally Posted by uzumaki
I'm just wondering how people handle huge aoe damage with this build? I think im going to have trouble with vanquishing factions/dungeons =/
Which specific area are you having problems with?
joea64
I've vanquished 23 of 34 Elonian areas so far with my variant of Sabway. Two areas I'm still having trouble with are Jahai Bluffs (the Fortress, with the huge collection of elite Kournan troops) and Wilderness of Bahzda (with Eshkebeh Longneck). How did others successfully manage those areas with Sabway?
DarkSpirit
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Originally Posted by joea64
I've vanquished 23 of 34 Elonian areas so far with my variant of Sabway. Two areas I'm still having trouble with are Jahai Bluffs (the Fortress, with the huge collection of elite Kournan troops) and Wilderness of Bahzda (with Eshkebeh Longneck). How did others successfully manage those areas with Sabway?
Is he suppose to be hard? I asked because I was expecting more of a challenge:
...but I am too used to Discord by now.
The fortress was more challenging and my heroes/henchies did gain some DP when I tried this time, but it is quite do-able if you go from the acolyte around to Corporal Argon. Maybe if I have played more carefully I would have saved some DP, but I was anxious to get it done.
...but I am too used to Discord by now.
The fortress was more challenging and my heroes/henchies did gain some DP when I tried this time, but it is quite do-able if you go from the acolyte around to Corporal Argon. Maybe if I have played more carefully I would have saved some DP, but I was anxious to get it done.
Frenzied Insanity
What should I replace my N/Rt healer with, since I'm a monk and I don't need another healer?
Should I make N/Rt healer into Curses necro instead?
Should I make N/Rt healer into Curses necro instead?
-Lotus-
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Originally Posted by Frenzied Insanity
What should I replace my N/Rt healer with since I'm a monk and I don't need another healer?
wtf? are you spamming SY and healing at the same time? why are you running with 1 monk?
Frenzied Insanity
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Originally Posted by -Lotus-
wtf? are you spamming SY and healing at the same time? why are you running with 1 monk?
I'm not sure what you are talking about but I am the monk
And since the 3-Necro build consists of an MM, an N/Rt healer and a Curses Necro I don't really see the need of having that N/Rt healer if I'm already healing
So I'm trying to find a replacement for that N/Rt healer
And since the 3-Necro build consists of an MM, an N/Rt healer and a Curses Necro I don't really see the need of having that N/Rt healer if I'm already healing
So I'm trying to find a replacement for that N/Rt healer
Paul Dawg
The MM's aegis skill is a nice cheap way to protect, and I have pain inverter on my own bar, so I always hit big AoE spammers with that. There are only about three or four AoE bosses in the game (i.e. all three continents) that give me a very hard time. Ele bosses in mobs with hex removal are nasty for me because they remove the pain inverter pretty efficiently.
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Originally Posted by uzumaki
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The biggest difficulty i faced with this build was against mobs with huge aoe damage especially the bosses... D:< they pretty much wipe you in seconds so i tried to leave them till last. I tried alot of things like microing the resto's kaoli to get 2 party wide heals back to back, microing prot spirit and the curse necro's weakness, moving around heroes like crazy and also leeroying the boss asap but half or all of the team still got wiped in some cases. The problem with this was the risk of getting 60dp right at the end of clearing and i ended up using alot of consumables and getting wiped 3-4 times before finally taking the aoe bosses down. This happened to me twice as far as i can remember against an sf elemantal boss who wipes in 2 sf's and a rediculous group with 4 fire eles and a chanelling rit boss with spirit rift and destructive was glaive.
I'm just wondering how people handle huge aoe damage with this build?
I'm just wondering how people handle huge aoe damage with this build?
uzumaki
^^ TYTYTY. I can't believe how much pain inverter owns... Tbh i wasnt very familiar with the eotn pve skills. This skill is amazing with sabway because of the minions. I went back to try this against the SF elemental boss in nf with a set of 9 minions and he died instantly because of the aoe damage he dealt to the whole team and minions, so (9+8)*80 dmg :O...
ahhh bye bye aoe damage ;D;D;D;D;D
ahhh bye bye aoe damage ;D;D;D;D;D
distilledwill
^it is generally agreed that the build is inspired by a HA build which used a similar concept.
Thats not to say that it wasnt a stroke of genius to condense it down to such an efficient little package.
What frenzied insanity is saying (i think) is that he will be taking a monk hench and with himself as a healer the N/Rt healer isnt entirely necassery. I would recommend taking a look at some of the other builds from Discordway or from the 8man build I posted on the last page of Sabway vs Discordway.
Thats not to say that it wasnt a stroke of genius to condense it down to such an efficient little package.
What frenzied insanity is saying (i think) is that he will be taking a monk hench and with himself as a healer the N/Rt healer isnt entirely necassery. I would recommend taking a look at some of the other builds from Discordway or from the 8man build I posted on the last page of Sabway vs Discordway.
High Moral
This might been asked before, but im not sure so anyway.
When you are playing monk yourself, is the only way to go as Ursan? (I find Ursan boring, even tho I am R10).
Or can I do a healing build myself, replace N/Rt with a Derv and use a protection henchie?
Or should i stick with N/Rt go Prot myself and fill up with damge henchies?
What do people do, what is recommended?
When you are playing monk yourself, is the only way to go as Ursan? (I find Ursan boring, even tho I am R10).
Or can I do a healing build myself, replace N/Rt with a Derv and use a protection henchie?
Or should i stick with N/Rt go Prot myself and fill up with damge henchies?
What do people do, what is recommended?
Windf0rce
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Originally Posted by joea64
I've vanquished 23 of 34 Elonian areas so far with my variant of Sabway. Two areas I'm still having trouble with are Jahai Bluffs (the Fortress, with the huge collection of elite Kournan troops) and Wilderness of Bahzda (with Eshkebeh Longneck). How did others successfully manage those areas with Sabway?
Vanquishing Gandara, the Moon Fortress can be easy if you complete a quest that will remove the Kournan troops from there. I had the same trouble with the troops until I completed the quest and then vanquished the area.
Check the wiki.
Check the wiki.
distilledwill
^Gandara was going fine till I met the mob of soldiers too, so theres a quest to remove them? Thanks for the heads up!
Blu
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Originally Posted by distilledwill
^Gandara was going fine till I met the mob of soldiers too, so theres a quest to remove them? Thanks for the heads up!
Yeah if you don't finish this quest then there will be that mob and apparently you'd have to kill twice as many enemies.
Tyla
I didn't have much of a problem on Gandara to be honest.
Finch of K T
Thx again for the uber-tastic Necros. Unfortunately I'm come to huge problems vanquishing in GWEN. I did all the far shiverpeaks with not much trouble. The char homelands and asura however.....First group in Charlands (with rit/prophet/2 axes/ hexers and the ele)....man they rolled us in like 10 seconds.
so am I doing something wrong? I'm a warrior and basically trying to use the corner trick to jam and hold as tank. Running Earthshaker.
so am I doing something wrong? I'm a warrior and basically trying to use the corner trick to jam and hold as tank. Running Earthshaker.
DarkSpirit
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Originally Posted by Finch of K T
Thx again for the uber-tastic Necros. Unfortunately I'm come to huge problems vanquishing in GWEN. I did all the far shiverpeaks with not much trouble. The char homelands and asura however.....First group in Charlands (with rit/prophet/2 axes/ hexers and the ele)....man they rolled us in like 10 seconds.
so am I doing something wrong? I'm a warrior and basically trying to use the corner trick to jam and hold as tank. Running Earthshaker. I never needed to use the corner trick, but physical classes tend to have problems with that team. Try the discord necros.
This is what I have on my warrior:
[Curse necro;OAhkUoG4BGqTMrMgIsD7uhp0kaD]
[MM;OANEUshd95EzqCohqa9IgY02JA]
[Splinter necro;OAhkUoGYIKqTMTNgxGmSzq64M5C]
so am I doing something wrong? I'm a warrior and basically trying to use the corner trick to jam and hold as tank. Running Earthshaker. I never needed to use the corner trick, but physical classes tend to have problems with that team. Try the discord necros.
This is what I have on my warrior:
[Curse necro;OAhkUoG4BGqTMrMgIsD7uhp0kaD]
[MM;OANEUshd95EzqCohqa9IgY02JA]
[Splinter necro;OAhkUoGYIKqTMTNgxGmSzq64M5C]
Finch of K T
Will give that a go tonight thx for the speedy feedback
Piercing Them
Hi everybody...
So i'm goin to get Livia in the next days....
I Just wanted to know if I'm a necro...what build should i use with the 3 other necros...
I Can't be another SS so if you have a build to propose....go ahead !!!
I'm necro
+ 3 hero necro
What should I be ?
I taught of Icy veins but then again i dont know!!
Thank you!!
So i'm goin to get Livia in the next days....
I Just wanted to know if I'm a necro...what build should i use with the 3 other necros...
I Can't be another SS so if you have a build to propose....go ahead !!!
I'm necro
+ 3 hero necro
What should I be ?
I taught of Icy veins but then again i dont know!!
Thank you!!
Finch of K T
well sorry to say that ran 10 times worse than sabway 
I'm vanquishing in grothmar wardowns. I'm refering to the char group with the healer (prophet), 1 or 2 hexers, 2 firecallers, a rit, and mesmer (dominator).
THey absolutely pwn my party everytime
I'm vanquishing in grothmar wardowns. I'm refering to the char group with the healer (prophet), 1 or 2 hexers, 2 firecallers, a rit, and mesmer (dominator).
THey absolutely pwn my party everytime
DarkSpirit
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Originally Posted by Finch of K T
well sorry to say that ran 10 times worse than sabway
I'm vanquishing in grothmar wardowns. I'm refering to the char group with the healer (prophet), 1 or 2 hexers, 2 firecallers, a rit, and mesmer (dominator).
THey absolutely pwn my party everytime
Did you kill them in the proper order?
Dominator and Avenger (Rit) should be targeted first since they have perm res. Then flameshielders for their Aegis and AoE spells, then Prophet/mender, then the rest. If you get the order wrong, you have screwed your heroes no matter what heroway you run. If there are melee charrs around, they also have res sig.
Also if you are a warrior, get out/around of Meteor shower and AoE attacks if you can, rather than strain your team's healing. When I get home I will show you a screenshot with my warrior, using this build.
I'm vanquishing in grothmar wardowns. I'm refering to the char group with the healer (prophet), 1 or 2 hexers, 2 firecallers, a rit, and mesmer (dominator).
THey absolutely pwn my party everytime
Did you kill them in the proper order?Dominator and Avenger (Rit) should be targeted first since they have perm res. Then flameshielders for their Aegis and AoE spells, then Prophet/mender, then the rest. If you get the order wrong, you have screwed your heroes no matter what heroway you run. If there are melee charrs around, they also have res sig.
Also if you are a warrior, get out/around of Meteor shower and AoE attacks if you can, rather than strain your team's healing. When I get home I will show you a screenshot with my warrior, using this build.
Finch of K T
Don't know what I changed tactics wise but suddenly I just got them....Pain Inverter on the mesmer that casts deep freeze = POOF!
After that they just died really quickly
After that they just died really quickly
DarkSpirit
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Originally Posted by Finch of K T
Don't know what I changed tactics wise but suddenly I just got them....Pain Inverter on the mesmer that casts deep freeze = POOF!
After that they just died really quickly
If you accidentally get the order right, of course it would work better. You have to know which Charr has the res and in that case, if you kill the wrong charr then you see it gets resurrected and your efforts wasted while taking damage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp8814p2S9s
...not too hard if you know the kill order. This is a quick attempt at the charr caster group just outside Doomlore in Dalada Uplands.
Edit: I removed my screenshot, refer to the video link
After that they just died really quickly
If you accidentally get the order right, of course it would work better. You have to know which Charr has the res and in that case, if you kill the wrong charr then you see it gets resurrected and your efforts wasted while taking damage.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp8814p2S9s
...not too hard if you know the kill order. This is a quick attempt at the charr caster group just outside Doomlore in Dalada Uplands.
Edit: I removed my screenshot, refer to the video link
Ben-A-BoO
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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit
BTW the resses are on:
Charr Dominator (Fast Cast Res Chant)
Charr Blademaster & Charr Axemaster(Res Sig - They usually res the Dominator) ...
The rest is obvious: Kill, kill, kill was buggers you the most .. I get the darn ele's down as fast as I can and work my way till the last freaking monk standing. Don't forget /rank every time you killed a Charr.
DarkSpirit
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Originally Posted by timebandit
BTW the resses are on:
Charr Dominator (Fast Cast Res Chant)
Charr Blademaster & Charr Axemaster(Res Sig - They usually res the Dominator) ...
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Charr_Avenger
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The screenshot just shows that you opened a console and typed /godmode. You could kill them with anything if you run SY. I'm not saying that it's hard to beat charr with discord, I just pointed that this particular screenshot doesnt prove it at all.|
The rest is obvious: Kill, kill, kill was buggers you the most .. I get the darn ele's down as fast as I can and work my way till the last freaking monk standing. Don't forget /rank every time you killed a Charr.
Their gloat skill takes 2 seconds to cast, which is the perfect time to chain your attacks on them. Their flameshielders are devastating to H/H because they like to clump together for AoE spells. They are also annoying to physicals as they carry aegis.
Darkside
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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit
If you accidentally get the order right, of course it would work better. You have to know which Charr has the res and in that case, if you kill the wrong charr then you see it gets resurrected and your efforts wasted while taking damage.
...not too hard if you know the kill order. This is a quick attempt at the charr caster group just outside Doomlore in Dalada Uplands. I love how you post your little screen shots!! I could take a bunch of loser heroes with garbage builds into hard mode and kill a group and post a screen shot of that...could I then claim their builds are good? Anyway, my point is that posting a retarded screen of you standing over some dead bodies doesn't prove very much and is really rather pointless unless you get some kinda ego boost from it. Not saying your builds are bad...saying you constantly posting screen shots of you over a few corpses is really stupid. cyvil
I like running the discord team, with my necro. I prefer running the Assassin's Promise variant on my Necro, something like AP, You Move like a Dwarf, Ebon Assassin, Finish Him, Enfeebling Blood, Weaken Armor, Suffering, Res. Soul Reaping and Curses at 12 plus runes. As I have completed the HM titles on my main, I have not used this team much in HM. I have tested in the Eastern Frontier, aggroed two groups of Grawl (three healers) and had no problems at all. That was one of the more challenging areas for my Main's Sabway Team.
DarkSpirit
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Originally Posted by Darkside
I love how you post your little screen shots!! I could take a bunch of loser heroes with garbage builds into hard mode and kill a group and post a screen shot of that...could I then claim their builds are good? Anyway, my point is that posting a retarded screen of you standing over some dead bodies doesn't prove very much and is really rather pointless unless you get some kinda ego boost from it.
Not saying your builds are bad...saying you constantly posting screen shots of you over a few corpses is really stupid. If you (or him) are saying that the build doesn't work then I can show you how it is done in game. Otherwise, how else can I help besides posting screenshots. The guy said it didn't work for him, but I suspect that he was doing it wrongly. The screenshot was just proof that it can work with the build and the right strategy. Besides Tyla likes my "proof-of-concept" screenshots and asked for more, so blame it on him if you dont like them.  Edit: This is my very first GW video, so bear with me. No sound but you get the picture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp8814p2S9s Also shows why I like Splinter Weapon. pipo
if i was a BHA ranger , what version of the tripple necro team should i run ?
Abedeus
Sabway. BHA + epidemic + minions = easy 4man areas clean. Dunno about larger areas, though, as I got bored with vanquishing after 2 tyrian areas alone and 1 with guild, when someone with 2 heroes went afk for an hour and we were 5/8 against a HUGE mob.
Besides, those 2 heroes were healers.
Washi
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Besides Tyla likes my "proof-of-concept" screenshots and asked for more, so blame it on him if you dont like them.
Isn't Tyla a girl?
Isn't Tyla a girl?
DarkSpirit
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Originally Posted by Washi
The screenshot just shows that you opened a console and typed /godmode. You could kill them with anything if you run SY. I'm not saying that it's hard to beat charr with discord, I just pointed that this particular screenshot doesnt prove it at all.
It proved it can be done with a warrior and the build. Which contradicted the post that implied that it cant.
And SY on warrior is hardly godmode compared to an Imbagon, since warriors have a greater dependence on adrenaline so they cant spam SY as often.
And SY on warrior is hardly godmode compared to an Imbagon, since warriors have a greater dependence on adrenaline so they cant spam SY as often.
komma
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Originally Posted by Washi
Isn't Tyla a girl?
thats a negative.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit
And SY on warrior is hardly godmode compared to an Imbagon, since warriors have a greater dependence on adrenaline so they cant spam SY as often.
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Originally Posted by Washi
Isn't Tyla a girl?
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