and some ppl will never be happy
a simple fix would be just to let the ppl who think they are elite have a place to play with them selves
no pve skills can be used there and for good mesure make every party take 4 random pugs
The Madness That Is Ether Renewal
bel unbreakable
Kook~NBK~
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not just another ursan whine thread... hasn't the world 10000000000000000³ enough ? >.>
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). Dear A-NET:
Making PvE stupidly easy is ruining your game. While I see some of the positive aspects of having skills such as Ursan blessing (YAY! My Mesmer can easily get into a DoA group now!), the negatives far outweigh the positives. Adding consumables to the game is a horrilbe idea as a gold sink, since they merely facilitate gold genereation by the players that use them.
There is nothing "epic" about breezing through an area that's been toggled to HARD MODE. I, for one, would MUCH rather have the challenge back in the game!Here's a couple of my personal experiences to illustrate my point:
1) One day a couple of weeks ago, some friends and I went vanquishing in cantha, we did 3 areas in about 2 hours. (Not the areas with only a handful of enemies, either) The only impression that excusion left me with was how fast it was. I don't remember which areas we did, nor do I remember any challenges along the way.
2) A few years ago, before Titles, Heroes, etc., I was doing Dunes of Despair with Guildies going for the Bonus and not using the NT trick. We were running out of time, and people were dying fast, With 2 seconds left on the clock, it was down to me (Ranger) and one enemy. I got one last shot off and it finished him off just as the timer hit 0:00! I was almost dead myself, but we got the bonus and that's one experience that I won't forget!
THAT, ladies and gentlemen, was an EPIC event!Please bring back some of the challenge to PvE. Dual profession enemies in GW:EN was a good move. More innovations like that will be greatly welcomed by this PvE player. Thank you.
Abedeus
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Originally Posted by bel unbreakable
and some ppl will never be happy
a simple fix would be just to let the ppl who think they are elite have a place to play with them selves no pve skills can be used there and for good mesure make every party take 4 random pugs |
vixro
I like Ether Renewel.
MithranArkanere
The thing is that in PvP you can get balance because both sides are in equal footage. Same number in each side, all can die, all can live. Single fights, then start anew.
In PvP even the best of the best may (and will) die once in a while.
But PvE is not meant to be like that, is meant to be a party of 4/6/8/12 people literally slaughtering enemies.
Areas are designed to kill 500 enemies straight at an average rate of 250 enemies per hour, without a single death in the 'good guys' side.
That is:
- PvP: you are very good (or very lucky with lag and random teaming), you die less... but you'll die.
- PvE: you are very bad (and very unlucky with lag and pugs), you die. Period.
Hm... It's almost the opposite...
Now... about the Ether Renewal.. has anyone tried to kill a Forgotten Elementalist lately? Did they got ... more annoying?
(Ah! I almost forgot!
Madness? This is GUILD WARS-AAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!1!11!11one!!!1one!)
In PvP even the best of the best may (and will) die once in a while.
But PvE is not meant to be like that, is meant to be a party of 4/6/8/12 people literally slaughtering enemies.
Areas are designed to kill 500 enemies straight at an average rate of 250 enemies per hour, without a single death in the 'good guys' side.
That is:
- PvP: you are very good (or very lucky with lag and random teaming), you die less... but you'll die.
- PvE: you are very bad (and very unlucky with lag and pugs), you die. Period.
Hm... It's almost the opposite...
Now... about the Ether Renewal.. has anyone tried to kill a Forgotten Elementalist lately? Did they got ... more annoying?
(Ah! I almost forgot!
Madness? This is GUILD WARS-AAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!1!11!11one!!!1one!)
Abedeus
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Now... about the Ether Renewal.. has anyone tried to kill a Forgotten Elementalist lately? Did they got ... more annoying?
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Btw: could someone tell me again what's the point in playing the game that has 2 classes and... 13 skills? ;d
byteme!
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That's why Mesmer has Shatter Enchantment. Easiest Crystal Desert mission completions ever.
Btw: could someone tell me again what's the point in playing the game that has 2 classes and... 13 skills? ;d |
If there is anyone to blame I'd blame all the Elitists. You people have been flaming and bitching at newbies because their builds are lacking. So they venture out and use the best tool at their disposal. Ursan, Imbagon, DS SY warriors, Sab Way and now ER Ele's come to mind. Drop your elitist attitudes and allow diversity regardless how "bad" you think something is and maybe just maybe things might be better.
On a side note, I publicly predicted a thread like this would open when the ER buff came along. Needless to say the Care Bears and Elitists have yet to fail me. Always the same minority of individuals and oh so predictable. I love you guys.
Lord High Pwner
I think everyone is correct 
I'll also take it one step further in saying i think we should just make all pve chars no matter what class your are have "Base Defend" in your skill bar 8 times 
I'll also take it one step further in saying i think we should just make all pve chars no matter what class your are have "Base Defend" in your skill bar 8 times
Mortis
Screw balance in PvE. Gogo anet, keep us entertained till GW2!
Onyx Blindbow
How about this as the simplest of solutions.
Any skills you don't like, think are overpowered etc... DON'T USE THEM!
Also stop worrying about what everyone else is using, if ppl want to use a full consumeable set + ursan to kill doppleganger then let them, why QQ about it? IT'S THEIR CHOICE!
If ppl want to run 8 rangers in FoW for a 3 hour mission run, Don't QQ about it, let them do it ... IT'S THEIR CHOICE
The problem with all these threads screaming for nerf bat, whining about overpowered skills etc.. boil down to the same old thing... CHOICE
If you want to use those "broken" skills do so, if you don't then don't, but ffs stop whining.
Any skills you don't like, think are overpowered etc... DON'T USE THEM!
Also stop worrying about what everyone else is using, if ppl want to use a full consumeable set + ursan to kill doppleganger then let them, why QQ about it? IT'S THEIR CHOICE!
If ppl want to run 8 rangers in FoW for a 3 hour mission run, Don't QQ about it, let them do it ... IT'S THEIR CHOICE
The problem with all these threads screaming for nerf bat, whining about overpowered skills etc.. boil down to the same old thing... CHOICE
If you want to use those "broken" skills do so, if you don't then don't, but ffs stop whining.
Tyla
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If there is anyone to blame I'd blame all the Elitists. You people have been flaming and bitching at newbies because their builds are lacking. So they venture out and use the best tool at their disposal. Ursan, Imbagon, DS SY warriors, Sab Way and now ER Ele's come to mind. Drop your elitist attitudes and allow diversity regardless how "bad" you think something is and maybe just maybe things might be better.
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Remove Ursan off that list.
Anyway, that was 5 things you listed. Diverse much?
@Onyx Blindbow -- Read my previous post. Not taking advantage of these means you are gimping yourself, so it affects you either way.
byteme!
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Lolwut?
Remove Ursan off that list. Anyway, that was 5 things you listed. Diverse much? @Onyx Blindbow -- Read my previous post. Not taking advantage of these means you are gimping yourself, so it affects you either way. |
upier
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You missed my point. I meant that almost all balance was based around PvP, and that was better for PvE than the current system. The split was only meant to please the majority, and guess what...the majority could care less about balance. The pve players caring about balance are now in the minority. Welcome to the club PvPers have been in for over 3 years.
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I thought you suggested that the previous system somehow made the skills more balanced then the current.
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Changing energy to health gain would a very weird twist. I personally say that the health sacrificing skills that are 1 energy need to be raised when talking about necromancers. 1 energy cost + 3/4 energy gain from [Masochism]=2/3 energy gain per skill. That is out of shape, even with the health sacrifice. Soul Reaping should probably get a longer time then "15 seconds" for the energy gain net. Or less times of gaining energy. Of course, unlike Expertise, this has a catch of things having to die.
And, I am not one to think of balancing ideas, I'm sure they wouldn't work out. And don't say I shouldn't criticize on balancing methods, because just because I cannot think of how to balance something out initially, doesn't mean I cannot see how something would/would not work for balancing. Lastly, yes, there is a difference between a "nerf that is acceptable" and a "nerf that would balance" |
GoLE anyone?
The problem here is that when PvE players talk about balance is that a balanced skill is a skill that is overpowered. And I feel that the nerf on Sr that was talked about was more in the real of an "acceptable" one rather then a "balanced" one.
And it's not like it's our fault.
The game broke pretty much all rules that would teach us what balance is - so no wonder we don't have a clue about it!
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Not taking advantage of these means you are gimping yourself, so it affects you either way.
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PvE isn't balanced on Ursan.
Even crappy builds can win.
And one has the option of moulding their own instance in their liking.
So that brings us to the question - what is one playing for?
IF you are playing to win - then one will use the most effective way to do it. In which case - it doesn't matter if you aren't having fun of if you whatever reason might prevent you from running Ursan. You want to win above all - you use the best option. You run paragon teams, you run Ursan - and you /point and /laugh at mesmers.
IF on the other hand you play to to complete something in a very specific way (for instance an inspiration mesmer in PvE) - then being at your most effective isn't what is the primary motivation for your actions. You make a conscious decision to NOT use the best option available because of ... who cares. And in that case - your motivation doesn't matter.
And you don't matter.
The issue here is that people want to win but REFUSE to use the best option available because it's not fun.
Sorry - but you having fun - isn't an issue we should care about.
Gift3d
There is no balance in PvE.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corrupted_Dragon_Scales
Does that look balanced? Nope.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corrupted_Dragon_Scales
Does that look balanced? Nope.
upier
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There is no balance in PvE.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corrupted_Dragon_Scales Does that look balanced? Nope. |
The start of this idiotic thing is that Kunny is floating in the air and can not be reached by melee guys!!!!
Talk about balance!
*rolleyes*
StormDragonZ
I notice many people fail to understand the concept that games were meant to be fun. Why does everyone have to be so jealous because a good amount of skills happen to be "greater" than others? I have an Elementalist and I don't use Ether Renewal because I actually find it not useful for my way of playing Guild Wars.
It should be obvious by now ANet plans to make the game... do I dare say it again... A GAME? In the end, if you're not having fun playing Guild Wars, then get the hell out and stop trying to deny the fact you're jealous because people got it "easy" now.
It should be obvious by now ANet plans to make the game... do I dare say it again... A GAME? In the end, if you're not having fun playing Guild Wars, then get the hell out and stop trying to deny the fact you're jealous because people got it "easy" now.
Badenstein
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Enjoy this state till GW2, and be prepared to wait for Blizzard to release Diablo 3. Or that ANet gets back on track with GW2, which I seriously doubt.
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ALF71BE
Stop playing PvE if you're gonna be so unhappy with all the buffs.
Goes for everyone complaining about it. And for the economy point, Anet can balance the prices whenever they feel to.
Goes for everyone complaining about it. And for the economy point, Anet can balance the prices whenever they feel to.
byteme!
The fact Guild Wars has survived this long tells me they are on the right track. Dollar figures and account #'s don't lie even if Joeblow has 20 copies of GW. There have been a ton of online games that don't make it past the first 6 months. Guild Wars is near the top "still" if you account for all the other online gaming titles available. Anet aparent knows a little more about making a game then most of the clowns floating around seem to think. I predict GW2 will be a success as well.
Age
I still haven't given it a try so don't bag on it and I have this elite never used it before since capping it.
Lest121
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YOU SHOULD KILL YOURSELF FOR DARING TO SUGGEST THAT BALANCE IN PVE IS UNNECESSARY. SOME OF US APPRECIATE OUR HARD EARNED HALF STACK OF ECTOS GENERATED THROUGH INVINCIBILITY, NOOB.
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You have an opinion Voice it, but let me say this Clearly "this so called PvE balance will never exist" because EVERYONE that plays GW have an opinion, you dislike a skill, someone out there loves that skill, this cycle will continue forever, Anet can't please everyone so they probably don't listen to QQers Crying everyday.
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Cap Lock Hell...............
You have an opinion Voice it, but let me say this Clearly "this so called PvE balance will never exist" because EVERYONE that plays GW have an opinion, you dislike a skill, someone out there loves that skill, this cycle will continue forever, Anet can't please everyone so they probably don't listen to QQers Crying everyday. |
The Meth
50/50 chance instead of nerfing Ether Renewal Anet will somehow allow other classes to use it or uber-buff other skills to give everyone else infinite energy.
I called it.
I called it.
Burst Cancel
I laughed my ass off when I saw Ether Renewal. Anyone with half a brain knew what would happen when ER came back.
PvE is hopeless - we've all known this for a while now, despite our earnest and heartfelt protestations.
And I keep saying - give us Chimera of Intensity and eight elite skills already. It's not like it would change "balance", and at least it wouldn't be class-specific.
PvE is hopeless - we've all known this for a while now, despite our earnest and heartfelt protestations.
And I keep saying - give us Chimera of Intensity and eight elite skills already. It's not like it would change "balance", and at least it wouldn't be class-specific.
bhavv
The Ether Renewal buff is cool.
I can now complete my H/H vanquishes with ease if I can get away from AoC for a while.
Thank you Anet for making me Imba with H/H, just like Ursan is in groups.
I can now complete my H/H vanquishes with ease if I can get away from AoC for a while.
Thank you Anet for making me Imba with H/H, just like Ursan is in groups.
DreamWind
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How about this as the simplest of solutions.
Any skills you don't like, think are overpowered etc... DON'T USE THEM! Also stop worrying about what everyone else is using, if ppl want to use a full consumeable set + ursan to kill doppleganger then let them, why QQ about it? IT'S THEIR CHOICE! If ppl want to run 8 rangers in FoW for a 3 hour mission run, Don't QQ about it, let them do it ... IT'S THEIR CHOICE The problem with all these threads screaming for nerf bat, whining about overpowered skills etc.. boil down to the same old thing... CHOICE If you want to use those "broken" skills do so, if you don't then don't, but ffs stop whining. |
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I notice many people fail to understand the concept that games were meant to be fun. Why does everyone have to be so jealous because a good amount of skills happen to be "greater" than others? I have an Elementalist and I don't use Ether Renewal because I actually find it not useful for my way of playing Guild Wars.
It should be obvious by now ANet plans to make the game... do I dare say it again... A GAME? In the end, if you're not having fun playing Guild Wars, then get the hell out and stop trying to deny the fact you're jealous because people got it "easy" now. |
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I thought you suggested that the previous system somehow made the skills more balanced then the current.
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bhavv
lol - Use protective bond on your H/H ...
GG.
GG.
DarkNecrid
They won't revert it, because the majority of PvE players cry when balances nerfed skills.
Just like they won't revert Shadowform either.
Skill Balances for PvP and PvE is what you had before, but now its changed.
Just like they won't revert Shadowform either.
Skill Balances for PvP and PvE is what you had before, but now its changed.
RhanoctJocosa
Agree with Avarre, too bad OP
fenix
Irrelevant discussion, Avarre summarised the entire issue on the first page;
You asked for it, now you've got it. If things are imbalanced, maybe you should have complained less.
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bhavv
Dr Strangelove
This is definitely a case of "be careful what you wish for".
angusyng2003
Guild Wars Guild Wars
bhavv
Nah protective bond sucks 
But it will be good for solo elly ....
But it will be good for solo elly ....
byteme!
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This is definitely a case of "be careful what you wish for".
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RhanoctJocosa
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I don't think the people who "wished" for said things are the same people QQing now. There are 2 sides to this ya?
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RotteN
Do you think they didn't know this when they reverted the PvE version of ether renewal ?
it was nerfed ages ago because of it's ridiculous power. Anet is aware of what it can do. Yet they put it there anyway. I don't see a nerf coming any time soon. Hf with your "seperatly balanced PvE".
it was nerfed ages ago because of it's ridiculous power. Anet is aware of what it can do. Yet they put it there anyway. I don't see a nerf coming any time soon. Hf with your "seperatly balanced PvE".
bhavv
I'm not QQ'ing and Im a regular at that lol!!!
Cos I'm an Elly! Moar power to meeeeee!
Cos I'm an Elly! Moar power to meeeeee!
byteme!
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haha, they are
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fenix
As Izzy said, the majority just want to blow up everything with really imba skills. That has happened, enjoy.