Dev Update: Hall of Monuments Changes
kradens
this doesn't take away or prevent a person from their achievements and respective gw2 rewards.
Showtime
The armors are only for the character they were created for so I am curious how the weapons will work. I have several destroyer weapons waiting to go in the hall and would rather have them displayed all at once. Even it means using just one character and giving the ones he doesn't use to hero henchies.
Can I put a Destroyer Sword/Shield on my war, a Destroyer Scythe on My Derv, and a Tormented Shield/Bow on my ranger and get all the weapons to display at once?
Can I put a Destroyer Sword/Shield on my war, a Destroyer Scythe on My Derv, and a Tormented Shield/Bow on my ranger and get all the weapons to display at once?
Sergeant of Marines
They listened?
GG Anet
Now all we need is some QQ threads about how people have filled like 100 HoM with Mini's and Destroyer Weapons...
GG Anet
Now all we need is some QQ threads about how people have filled like 100 HoM with Mini's and Destroyer Weapons...
VladDrakken
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Originally Posted by Dylananimus
Cheer up, it's a game
 Nobody forced you to spend all that pixel money  Your reward should be your own sense of achievement, unless you only did it to make your e-peen bigger and that's all. |
Anet established a set of rules at the beginning of the implementation. Some bought into it and accepted the fact that it was the way it is right now, but a majority whined and got their way. The whiners get rewarded TREMENDOUSLY, while those who followed and accepted the rules that were established are getting the short end of the stick.
I'll be one mad power merchant if us that worked on multiple HOMs don't get rewarded. A mad power merchant only means one thing ... higher prices.
Vlad The Mad
TwinRaven
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Originally Posted by VladDrakken
...but Anet should compensate those few people who worked hard. After all, by my count, I spent around 10mil (hard earned, not ebayed or farmed) gold to get my Hall of Monuments where its at right now...
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upier
I was like:
OMG!1!1
That's so ... WORD!11!!
And then I was like:
Wait - I don't do titles.
And IF I do them - I pretty much do everything on my ritualist. (Proud owner of 3 maxed titles!!!)
But hey, you don't seem me complaining.
It's the thought that counts!
In a Mari Winsor kind-of-way:
Good job!
OMG!1!1
That's so ... WORD!11!!
And then I was like:
Wait - I don't do titles.
And IF I do them - I pretty much do everything on my ritualist. (Proud owner of 3 maxed titles!!!)
But hey, you don't seem me complaining.
It's the thought that counts!
In a Mari Winsor kind-of-way:
Good job!
ThunderStruck
Wow! Time to dust off some of my other characters!
I wonder if the KoABD title track will affect GW2... it isn't a "displayable" item in the HoM per se, since it just updates the background as you get further, so I wonder if it'll make a difference.
I wonder if the KoABD title track will affect GW2... it isn't a "displayable" item in the HoM per se, since it just updates the background as you get further, so I wonder if it'll make a difference.
VladDrakken
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Originally Posted by TwinRaven
While I kinda feel for you, and I am in awe of the time you must have invested to acheive this...when did it stop being fun and become "work"? As soon as it becomes work, you might want to sort out your priorities...Not saying you have no life or play too much (I have nearly 6,000 hours myself)...but if it has become work, you might ask yourself what you were working for. If you expect to be "paid" through in-game rewards...bummer, you just found a new understanding of what it means to be a public emloyee (same medical and everything). Seriously though, while I can see your point of view, I'm sure the majority of us are going to enjoy NOT having to work as hard...Personally, I only have 13 titles on one character maxed, anny more than that and my wife would have left me by now. Overacheivement comes with its own set burdens, one being that when you over-acheive, you will always feel under-rewarded when the reward is the only reason to acheive...no...no...not a Mystery Men quote, but close.
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The argument is simple, a few of us "followed" the rules and because the majority whined, the rules changed and those who followed the rules are getting the short end of the stick. Tell me this, you were caught jaywalking by a cop, paid the fine and the next day you saw the same cop doing nothing to a crowd of jaywalkers. How would you feel?
FYI: 1.4k/21 months of playtime. Programmer/Nurse, wife and a kid and a life. I'm just good at making money than the rest of you plebs.
Wait! There's more! ... Before you open your mouth, please check the definition of the word first and understand the context or the essence ... mmmmkaay? Makes me think you're a pound short of brain matter.
Vlad the Mad
KamikazeChicken
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Originally Posted by Showtime
Can I put a Destroyer Sword/Shield on my war, a Destroyer Scythe on My Derv, and a Tormented Shield/Bow on my ranger and get all the weapons to display at once?
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EPO Bot
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Originally Posted by ThunderStruck
Wow! Time to dust off some of my other characters!
I wonder if the KoABD title track will affect GW2... it isn't a "displayable" item in the HoM per se, since it just updates the background as you get further, so I wonder if it'll make a difference. |
Friar Khan
This will be a great update, I'm very glad they made this decision.
Decent point I guess, BUT I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.
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Originally Posted by Gregslot
I made a long post but i had an error. So ill resume it.
I liked this very much, but it will not give us the total freedom to play with multiple characters like we wanted. For example, we will not have the option to vanquish one continent with mutiple character (vanquishing half of it with one character and the other half with another). |
Konig Des Todes
O.O
For once ANet has done something that no one can argue against being good! Very Nice! Keep this up and the multiple daily insults and QQ threads may be reduced!
Only a few things I say needs to be changed to HoM [a new hard-to-get weapon set with different skins (for those who don't like Destroyer or Tormented)], but hey! This is still an improvement!
Keep listening to what people want, and only go through with what will be good, and GW2 may be bound to sell much more. GG ANet!
Now for the last 7 weapons, they will go on the professions that they belong to!
For once ANet has done something that no one can argue against being good! Very Nice! Keep this up and the multiple daily insults and QQ threads may be reduced!
Only a few things I say needs to be changed to HoM [a new hard-to-get weapon set with different skins (for those who don't like Destroyer or Tormented)], but hey! This is still an improvement!
Keep listening to what people want, and only go through with what will be good, and GW2 may be bound to sell much more. GG ANet!
Now for the last 7 weapons, they will go on the professions that they belong to!
TwinRaven
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Originally Posted by VladDrakken
Oh c'mon now. You very well know that I used the term in the broadest sense. If you think that "working" can't or isn't "enjoyable", then you'll end up in the nursing home quicker than the rest of us. Don't be a hypocrite too, you very well know that you've "worked" for those 13 titles under your belt. We could argue all day on your "overacheivement" statement too.
The argument is simple, a few of us "followed" the rules and because the majority whined, the rules changed and those who followed the rules are getting the short end of the stick. Tell me this, you were caught jaywalking by a cop, paid the fine and the next day you saw the same cop doing nothing to a crowd of jaywalkers. How would you feel? FYI: 1.4k/21 months of playtime. Programmer/Nurse, wife and a kid and a life. I'm just good at making money than the rest of you plebs. Vlad the Mad |
As for the cop and jaywalkers, well..I feel like that everytime I think back on the times I went through FoW or UW with PUGs, playing my ranger old-school, and now all the upstarts using that skill (which shall not be mentioned) don't wanna play with me because I have become a noob...I have it, I just don't use it (punchline ---> rank 3, lol...maybe I should farm THAT title next? naw).
As for work, I'm a teacher...you KNOW I wouldn't do it if it felt like work, after all...I'd start expecting to be paid for it and that would just mess up the whole system.
I still see your point of view, but I'm (guiltily) enjoying not having to face the change the way you are...I think I'd have a royal freaking tizzy...good job keeping your cool btw.
Esan
Knowing GW1 is in maintenance mode manned with a skeleton crew, I am sure this proposed update will be botched somehow. We have yet to see even the most obvious of improvements (eg. reordering accomplishments) make it in. Somehow this seems like more chaff designed to distract and pacify the masses -- anything to get them to stop talking about Ursan, SF or any of the other problems with the game. If Anet were actually on the ball, this update would have happened in November 2007 instead of July 2008.
VladDrakken
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Originally Posted by TwinRaven
I certainly meant no offense
As for the cop and jaywalkers, well..I feel like that everytime I think back on the times I went through FoW or UW with PUGs, playing my ranger old-school, and now all the upstarts using that skill (which shall not be mentioned) don't wanna play with me because I have become a noob...I have it, I just don't use it (punchline ---> rank 3, lol...maybe I should farm THAT title next? naw). ... I still see your point of view, but I'm (guiltily) enjoying not having to face the change the way you are...I think I'd have a royal freaking tizzy...good job keeping your cool btw. |
I for one don't really mind, all I wanted was 5 fully decked characters in GW2.
If they implemented the HOM correctly (this is the idealistic programmer in me speaking), a ton of my gold and/or minis would go to various leeche*cough* ... friends and guild members. It would make the experience of building the HoM a lot better.
Now, what can I do to make most of my money back ... hmmmm ... tormented weapons/armbrace anyone? 70e only.
Vlad the Mad
Tyla
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Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken
That would be the purpose of having the HoM be able to show as either Account or Character based.....
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maraxusofk
sweet about time.
Omega X
It should have been that way from the beginning. Nice of them to learn from mistakes.
Now give me GW2 beta.
Now give me GW2 beta.
Konig Des Todes
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Originally Posted by graverobber2
legendary survivor should be character based
vanquisher can be easily done account based: if one character has vanquished an area, it counts as vanquished for all characters I think they should do treasure & wisdom title account based aswell I hate always have to switch to my warrior for identifying golds and not beeing able to use lockpicks/key because i have to save them up for my warrior here's what i think they should make account based:
Should stay character based: (but can ofcourse be added to account-HoM)
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Vanquishing: should stay character based imo.
Survivor: questionable, account for HoM but character for title wearing is the closest to account-based it should get imo.
LDoA: should be account for the non-prophecies characters. Its not my fault my sin doesn't have that title... *not a QQ, more like a "not very fair" statement, which I suppose can be seen as QQ, so I will say I don't want that title
For the Reputation titles, they can easily be put into account based, but the tier system would be needing a change.
Other then that, I agree with you, especially on Wisdom, Treasure Hunter, Drunkard, Sweet Tooth, and Party Animal.
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Originally Posted by Traveller
I'm still wondering, though, will the "unlocks" at GW2 be monument-specific, or do you have to have a full Hall to have the unlocks?
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Originally Posted by Omega X
It should have been that way from the beginning. Nice of them to learn from mistakes.
Now give me GW2 beta. |
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Stolen Souls
Very nice. If only I still had all my characters with various maxed titles and elite armor...
Time to get busy again, lol.
Time to get busy again, lol.
Nightow
Ok, new question. 
Let's say I make a new toon, get it Legendary Survivor and get the statue in my account based HoM. If I delete that toon, is the statue taken out of my HoM?
Let's say I make a new toon, get it Legendary Survivor and get the statue in my account based HoM. If I delete that toon, is the statue taken out of my HoM?
cellardweller
Even speaking as someone who has 2.5 completed halls, this is a great change.
VladDrakken
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Originally Posted by cellardweller
Even speaking as someone who has 2.5 completed halls, this is a great change.
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FoxBat
I'm curious what is going to happen with meta-titles, like KoaBD, Legendary Cartographer/Guardian/Vanquisher/Skill Hunter etc. This change doesn't do a whole lot for me if I still have to do all my vanquishing on one character for that Legendary perk.
Cmon Anet, lets make more of these titles account-wide already. People who have done the grind on one character will be happy they can show it off on anyone on their account now.
Cmon Anet, lets make more of these titles account-wide already. People who have done the grind on one character will be happy they can show it off on anyone on their account now.
Ekelon
time for armbrace prices to go back up!
Coraline Jones
This is by far the best change in Guild Wars 1 in a long time.
From what it sounds like, many blatant grind-based titles will probably turn account-wide. I would say that a title like Drunkard, which is one of the most boring titles to get, is an immediate candidate for an account-wide change. I don't know what will happen with people with points spread out on multiple characters, but I would not be surprised if the game just takes the character with the highest "score" and replicates it across all characters. I wish that it could concatenate all the scores for things like "Wisdom" and "Treasure Hunter", but I don't know if they are going to do that.
In any case, it sounds like it doesn't matter one bit for GW2. The titles will be seen as all one account-wide thing in GW2, so your GW2 character will see a HoM with (for instance) Legendary Defender of Ascalon and Legendary Survivor at the same time, which would normally be impossible.
From what it sounds like, many blatant grind-based titles will probably turn account-wide. I would say that a title like Drunkard, which is one of the most boring titles to get, is an immediate candidate for an account-wide change. I don't know what will happen with people with points spread out on multiple characters, but I would not be surprised if the game just takes the character with the highest "score" and replicates it across all characters. I wish that it could concatenate all the scores for things like "Wisdom" and "Treasure Hunter", but I don't know if they are going to do that.
In any case, it sounds like it doesn't matter one bit for GW2. The titles will be seen as all one account-wide thing in GW2, so your GW2 character will see a HoM with (for instance) Legendary Defender of Ascalon and Legendary Survivor at the same time, which would normally be impossible.
Luxius Lethix
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Originally Posted by Nightow
Ok, new question.
Let's say I make a new toon, get it Legendary Survivor and get the statue in my account based HoM. If I delete that toon, is the statue taken out of my HoM? |
Bibblenorn
Raises hand...
If I am understanding this right, the armor monument will display 2 armors if say, I have a norn armor on my monk and an asuran armor on my Dervish, right?
What if my monk had Kurzick Elite armor... what armor would my Dervish's HOM display for that armor? There isn't Dervish Kurzick Elite armor, right?
Am I misunderstanding the situation?
I think this will be a good update no matter what.
If I am understanding this right, the armor monument will display 2 armors if say, I have a norn armor on my monk and an asuran armor on my Dervish, right?
What if my monk had Kurzick Elite armor... what armor would my Dervish's HOM display for that armor? There isn't Dervish Kurzick Elite armor, right?
Am I misunderstanding the situation?
I think this will be a good update no matter what.
Aera Lure
Good going Anet... but its too late. This sort of information should have been available on the release of the HoM.
Konig Des Todes
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Originally Posted by Nightow
Ok, new question.
Let's say I make a new toon, get it Legendary Survivor and get the statue in my account based HoM. If I delete that toon, is the statue taken out of my HoM? |
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Originally Posted by VladDrakken
More questions, can we rededicate dedicated pets all over again? If so, wtb Island Guardian!
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Originally Posted by Bibblenorn
Raises hand...
If I am understanding this right, the armor monument will display 2 armors if say, I have a norn armor on my monk and an asuran armor on my Dervish, right? What if my monk had Kurzick Elite armor... what armor would my Dervish's HOM display for that armor? There isn't Dervish Kurzick Elite armor, right? Am I misunderstanding the situation? I think this will be a good update no matter what. |
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Originally Posted by Aera Lure
Good going Anet... but its too late. This sort of information should have been available on the release of the HoM.
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Hyper Cutter
This would have been great... if they'd gone that extra step to actually make Valor not suck (Tormented weapons are the same as Destroyers as far as I'm concerned, I don't give a damn about either. I want to add my characters' weapons, goddammit!).
Still pretty good, though.
Still pretty good, though.
Operative 14
I have difficultly expressing the profound gratitude that I feel at the proposed changes, so I shall sum it up in one sentence.
THANK YOU ARENANET!
THANK YOU ARENANET!
Jamison0071
Yay thank you Anet!
TwinRaven
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Originally Posted by VladDrakken
... All I'm saying is, give the few people who followed the rules a cookie or two (I know a few who've worked 2 - 4 HoMs, putting in rare minis), so that their efforts don't go unnoticed...
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Until we see the full implementation, we won't know how fully screwed you are...if at all. I hope for all our sakes there are cookies (or maybe delicate puff pastries) involved...But I have this sneaky suspicion that what we might get from GW1 in GW2 will be inconsequential. Access to "old" stuff? Unlocking of things others have to work harder for..."oooooo, look! Primeaval armor we won't see until the end of X mission on a level 5 toon!"...maybe? Customized, untradable trinkets? A Jim Carey style /talk-outta-my-ass emote?
We won't know until it gets here...In the event that it is something uber-cool, I sincerely hope ANet has the foresight to find a way to reward players who have "doubled-up" and filled their Halls several times over...like end-game rewards can be traded in, sold or transferred to another character, I hope you get to do something similar...
...in the mean time, keep having fun and prepare yourself for the biggest /doh of all time! Or, maybe, a really big cookie...I'm hoping cookie
fRag_Doll
Bravo ANet, bravo.
Encore!
Encore!
The Meth
As someone who has loathed the vast majority of changes Anet has done to their game over the past year, I still have to give a BIG THUMBS UP to this. GJ Anet!
mrmango
I wish we didn't have to add "elite" weapons and armor to their respective monuments, just normal ones. but gg nonetheless
Mister_Smiley
Well i have to say, i've very proud of anet and it just shows that they do listen to us. Of course i would like to know how long it will take for this to be put in. Can't wait to see how it works out.
Pleikki
i dont care about HoM but yeah i guess its fine
Nude Nira
Oh...my...god...
This must be the first good update i've seen in a looooong, looooong time.
The apocalypse is coming!! Run for your lives!
This must be the first good update i've seen in a looooong, looooong time.
The apocalypse is coming!! Run for your lives!