Dev Update: Hall of Monuments Changes

Gregslot

Gregslot

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Me/

About that Kurzick/Elite Canthan/Granite Citadel armors when entering the Hall of Monuments, i seriously wouldnt mind if they added some reskined armors for Paragon&Pals.
They made some for Eye of The North. I liked some anyways, so i wouldnt mind

Edit: Yea, im just looking foward for them making some titles account-based so that i can make a Paragon, that will be cool.

Silent Coyote

Silent Coyote

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

E/N

Sounds good look forward to seeing it in game.

Big_Iron

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

This will be an excellent update. I'm definitely one of those people that's been focusing one one char, primarily because of the HoM. Before, I played a lot of different ones.

Thanks Anet.

Evil_Necro

Evil_Necro

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

川崎区、日本

currently guildless..

Rt/

"We are not able to announce a specific date at which these changes will be released, but we're explaining them now so that players can choose their play patterns accordingly."

This.. I just hope this day will come soon.. if it's coming couple months later then I can't think how to prioritize, since I can't see in on-hand how this would work especially the resillience monument.

In my understanding, it's the only one that are not account spread.

i.e your Warrior have Obsidian, when your necro enter HoM it will still be what is your necro's armor achievement. However I am hopping it will be just like what everyone been saying, that all you need is just one set of one armor type to be able to display that particular type no matter which chara that enters.

Other than that, this is awsome!!! I was pondering why cant Anet make it account based, cause my R is my king in Elona, my W is my king in Properchies, etc etc

goooooooooood jooooooooooooob Anet!!

MirkoTeran

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

- Getting more info on GW2: Nice!
- All the rest: Blah!

Shadowmoon

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

N/

"Please note that the armor statues in the Monument to Resilience will reflect the appearance of the character currently in the Hall of Monuments, not the character that originally displayed that armor set."
That means to me that you put your Warrior FoW in, you go into your hall with your necro, it will display your necro wearing necro FoW. But i'm assuming that how elite imperial/exotic would be displayed by the placeholder statue ( remember GW:EN preview weekend) because those armor class don't exist for necro ( or any non factions class). Probably work this same with grotto/citidel armor for rit/sins/para/dervs, just display the placeholder that was used in preview event.

romeus petrus

romeus petrus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Urgoz Warren

Legion of Doom [LOD] Home of PWNZILLA http://PWNZILLA.guildlaunch.com

Finally an update worth reading. Maybe we will even see a trailer by E3.

hallomik

hallomik

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

The Illini Tribe

N/Mo

Quote:
All Hall of Monuments accomplishments for any Guild Wars character on your account will be available to every Guild Wars 2 character on your account.
I have a feeling that the excitement over this decision will fade over time. If the GW2 bonus items are cosmetic only, they have now been made much more common. I personally just went from having one decently decked out GW2 character and 9 other marginal ones, to unlimited fully-maxed characters. If 60% of players are running around with a chromatic feather sticking out of their hat (or whatever), it will signify little.

Under the prior design of character-to-character inheritance, the coolness factor was still there. Now? Not so much.

To quote the Incredibles... "Everyone is special." "Which is another way of saying nobody is special."

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregslot
Ahm, i dont quiet understand one thing.
If i buy a Vaabian armor with my mesmer and i log in with my Ritualist, will it display a Vaabian armor for my ritualist (with the ritualist model and etc)?
I don't think it CAN work that way.

I only have one HoM with any taps in it, on my ranger. The only armor in that HoM is "Marhan Grotto Ascended/Exclusive Armor" (Can't remember which. It's Elite Druid). Marhan Grotto only has armor for core characters. So what happens when I bring in my 2ndary, a Sin? Does she stand on the monument naked or what?

Chrono Re delle Ere

Chrono Re delle Ere

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Land of Hyrule

[GoE]

W/

So, basically I will be able to put survivor monument for all my characters, which also mean my main warrior I created 3 years ago...WOOOT!

Also, I won't have to buy a warrior a destroyer/tormented staff. Great job anet, +reputation for you :P

Now yea, they got the point there: people were not playing other chars because of hom mainly (like me). The fact that this news comes today, when I just made the fow armor for my old female Rt, makes me sooooo happy!

But I am confused by the armor thing: if I put a warrior armor in the hom and then access the Hom using my Rit....will I see a statue of my Rit wearing a warrior armor? o.o

Bibblenorn

Bibblenorn

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Miendrak'el Myrth [MeM]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmoon
"Please note that the armor statues in the Monument to Resilience will reflect the appearance of the character currently in the Hall of Monuments, not the character that originally displayed that armor set."
That means to me that you put your Warrior FoW in, you go into your hall with your necro, it will display your necro wearing necro FoW. But i'm assuming that how elite imperial/exotic would be displayed by the placeholder statue ( remember GW:EN preview weekend) because those armor class don't exist for necro ( or any non factions class). Probably work this same with grotto/citidel armor for rit/sins/para/dervs, just display the placeholder that was used in preview event.
That actually makes perfect sense. I honestly can't see a-net adding tons of new armor at this point. 1) that would be alot of work, and 2) people would gripe about the inevitable reskins ( I liked most of the reskins).

pamelf

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

Thanks Anet. This has been a much needed and long overdue update! I'm looking forward to it.

Y.T.

Y.T.

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/

yay, finally!

will there be an option to display only 1 kind of weapons or anet will add another row of weaponstands?

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

R/

This idea is full of win and sex.

/me just earned 100 points towards his "Will buy GW2 (2)" title track.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Wow...apparently Whining wins out over Game Design integrity.

Way to go Anet -.-

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Hey, ho! Let's go!
Now the only thing left is...
How exactly?

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
Wow...apparently Whining wins out over Game Design integrity.

Way to go Anet -.-
No, no. It's not that. It's: "Insistence is capable of making Anet fix design flaws".

Now, I'll go insist somewhere in the Anet Suggestion page about making inscriptions worldwide... Heee heee...

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
Wow...apparently Whining wins out over Game Design integrity.

Way to go Anet -.-
When their initial game design encouraged you to play with as many characters as you had slots, I'd consider this update to be more in-tune with what ANet originally hoped for.

JaiGaia

JaiGaia

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

House of JaiGaia

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
When their initial game design encouraged you to play with as many characters as you had slots, I'd consider this update to be more in-tune with what ANet originally hoped for.
agree and its nice to see them retracing their roots

AfroThunder396

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

LoKi

R/

As excited as I am about the account-based title, I'm just as excited about adding tormented weapons. I thought it was very poor planning on the part of ANet to create a shrine for just one type of weapon. I almost felt like they were forcing me to get a weapon that I really didn't want to get. Glad to see they finally decided to expand this.

SpiritThief

SpiritThief

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

R/Me

Now I really want to hear that our overflowing account hall. Will be able to pick and choose what credits we want to go to which ever GW2 character we please.

Add BMP and the other end-game weapons now.

Hope this goes over smoothly.

NEXT UPDATE!!:
Vanqish and cart titles should always be character based. Same with the elites and mission based ones. Then make the rest account based, taking naturally the highest title rank out of all character for each title.

Stockholm

Stockholm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Censored

Censored

R/

The only thing that scares me with HoM and all these Titles, is that it will make sure that GW2 starts of with same crap we have now.

Lvl 8 ?? LFG, (no noobs without 10 GW1 titles)

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

It's been stated repeatedly that the benefits you recieve from the HoM will have no in-game effect, i.e. you'll receive only vanity bonuses.

Although, given what we've seen in GW1, that could very likely cause "elitist issues". Let's just hope they stay true to being able to solo the whole game and the sidekick system, aye?

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
Wow...apparently Whining wins out over Game Design integrity.

Way to go Anet -.-
Yea, what kind of nutty business practice is "giving your customers what they want"? Just absolutely crazy.

Go away.

Stockholm

Stockholm

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Censored

Censored

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
Wow...apparently Whining wins out over Game Design integrity.

Way to go Anet -.-
You should be used to that by now, it has been going on in the PvP section since day 1.

Or is that only "constructive criticism"?

Parson Brown

Parson Brown

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

In ur base...

The one true [Hope]

E/

I guess I'm happy about the account-based thing, but I sure wish i wouldn't have "wasted" parts of the last six months duplicating titles on multiple characters...



However, now that things like sweet tooth and party animal will (essentially) be account-based, maybe the prices of those supplies will come down?

EDIT - finished reading the OP...

AWESOME that you can continue to add to the HoM after starting GW2. But, That only makes sense as I was considering putting off actually BUYING GW2 until my HoM was suitably decked out. I'm sure they don't want people doing that!

WinterSnowblind

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
Wow...apparently Whining wins out over Game Design integrity.

Way to go Anet -.-
Game design integrity? You act like the HoM was perfect the way it was. It was designed poorly, basically forcing players to focus entirely on one character, if anything this update reverts some of the previous design errors that were introduced in Eye of the North -- it lets us play with multiple characters again, without the fear of missing out on content when GW2 rolls around.

The fact there's people like you, who will whine about whatever Anet try and do to make the game better, just proves how flawed the community is.

quickmonty

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

I've been working on just one character, trying to max titles and get other things to fill my HoM. Nice to know that all that effort will transfer to ALL my GW2 characters.

Clobimon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

All of the very little information regarding how the HoM will benefit GW2 characters has been very, very vague. There has been absolutely nothing set in stone about how it will work exactly either. It sounds as if they still don't know beyond 'the best idea.' This is one reason why I chose not to make a huge push to deck out many halls up to this point. Since GW2 is a long ways off yet and we were told that things could still be added after it goes live, I practiced patience. That is something it seems that some players haven't learned. We see it all the time, players trying to have it all as fast as possible and get burnt by changes that aren't completely unforseen. I have purposely not bought armors I won't wear, weapons I won't use, bought minis I don't have or even put up all that I do because we haven't been given the information. Anything that only costs money and materials can be put up the day before GW2 release - save for it! It won't make a bit of difference if you filled it yesterday or a year ago at that point. By planning wisely a person should be or should have been just trying to complete titles for their halls and not spending millions of plat on rare minis and whatnot. I'm sorry for those that spent all the gold that you got to fill halls. It's cool that you did it and now you have some beefy character halls in GW. To be harsh though, expecting a refund or reward because of it is rather silly. The information we had and still have does not indicate that we need to spend 10 million plat. If you did that it was because you were betting with a wager to have everything you can in GW2. You spent a million on lottery tickets and won the grand prize of 500k with your first ticket.

SirSausage

SirSausage

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

Poland

Architects of Forgotten Truths [AoFT]

W/Mo

Best dev update in 2008 (for now).
Anet has once again earned my respect and the last time they did was a looong time ago.
Now I'm curious about the rewards in GW2. *drools*

Chrono Re delle Ere

Chrono Re delle Ere

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Land of Hyrule

[GoE]

W/

HoM rank emote lmao.

RiceCream

RiceCream

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Savannah, GA

[MH]

[email protected] items in HoM
[email protected] based. y'all complained too much qq cachooo

romeus petrus

romeus petrus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Urgoz Warren

Legion of Doom [LOD] Home of PWNZILLA http://PWNZILLA.guildlaunch.com

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stockholm
The only thing that scares me with HoM and all these Titles, is that it will make sure that GW2 starts of with same crap we have now.
Lvl 8 ?? LFG, (no noobs without 10 GW1 titles)

I am pretty sure Anet is not that dumb (or am I?). Titles you grind in GW should have no effect what so ever on GW2 or they will lose new players.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind
The fact there's people like you, who will whine about whatever Anet try and do to make the game better, just proves how flawed the community is.
Better is a relative term. Whats better for you might be worse for me.

Yes. The community is FLAWED. People have differing OPINIONS. What a shock!

I never had the problem with the original design, since I didn't care, but its true that it was flawed.

I don't really have a problem with the change itself. Its more streamline, albeit still flawed.


My problem is that they changed it based on people who have been whining in Sardelac that they are being punished for playing more characters.


Those kind of people present a flawed argument and augment it with whining. And Anet relents. Anet only did this to shut them up.

The design is still flawed.

The HOM system should not have been implemented as part of the storyline, and instead as a "private" centralized location like Guild Hall as part of the CORE design, allowing all players access via ALL their characters all at once as easily as changing characters without needing to unlock a new outpost.

Instead of rethinking the design to fix its true flaws, they will be patching it to quiet those who misunderstand the true flaws in the design. Its still rewarding you for GRINDING. The fact that people have accepted this does not make it good.

Its very short sighted and imo, Stupid.

captain_carter

captain_carter

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

England

The X Viles [TXV]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpiritThief
Then make the rest account based, taking naturally the highest title rank out of all character for each title.
I hope not. That would certainly not be natural or logical.
That IMO would be the dumbest way to integrate titles that were character based to being account based. The values on each separate character should be added together to get the account total, the value you would have achieved if it had been that way from the start.

dark_prince2023

dark_prince2023

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

W/Mo

Simply Thank You And Where Is Guild Wars 2 I hate Waiting!!

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Outside of pure awesomeness of account-based rewarding GW1 accomplishments there's another great thing in this Dev Update:

The rewards in GW2 will be available to all your characters, not just one!

It means they may be actually designing GW2 in a way that doesn't discourage multi-character playstyles from the beginning! So you don't have to make decisions like selecting a favorite GW2 character to inherit your HoM goodness and then regret such a choice, something I really didn't like in the old announcements.

Account-based GW2 inheritance is an excellent decision - just as account-based GW1 rewarding is.
Bravo Anet.

Wulfgast

Wulfgast

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

Louisville, KY, US

Rite of Passage [RP]

W/Rt

A wise choice by Anet, but far, far too late. I quit playing this game months ago, along with everyone else I know IRL, largely because of the HoM blunder. There were other reasons of course, but that was a huge one.

The HoM should've been all this and more from the get-go.

However, to those of you that still play, I truly am glad you're getting a good update like this.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulfgast
A wise choice by Anet, but far, far too late. I quit playing this game months ago, along with everyone else I know IRL, largely because of the HoM blunder. There were other reasons of course, but that was a huge one.

The HoM should've been all this and more from the get-go.

However, to those of you that still play, I truly am glad you're getting a good update like this.
Don't worry, as soon as I get plutonium, I'm giving this info and the gw.dat to ANet 3 years ago. And they'll make the game like this from the star.

Targren

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Primeval Warlords[wuw]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Don't worry, as soon as I get plutonium, I'm giving this info and the gw.dat to ANet 3 years ago. And they'll make the game like this from the star.
Watch out for Libyans.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Don't worry, as soon as I get plutonium, I'm giving this info and the gw.dat to ANet 3 years ago. And they'll make the game like this from the star.
we could make a lightning farm to power the delorean.