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JoeKnowMo

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26 Jun 2008 at 21:43 - 281

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Originally Posted by Samurai Goroh

Its the same people who want Ursan nerfed or grinding gone, beause they cant compete in it and they dont want others too, they had no interest in participating in it themselves.

That's the first time I've seen "Ursan" and "compete" in the same sentence. You must be really good at pushing 1, 2, 3 over and over.

Jinxinleon

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26 Jun 2008 at 21:47 - 282

Yes,it may be boring.
I have not done it myself.
But the people who got them on all character's have a big money/ecto/armbrace/w.e gap between the mixed character ones.

Tyla

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26 Jun 2008 at 21:47 - 283

^
Yeah, that was a bit of a retarded post.

Stupidly overpowered skills are... stupid.

Jinxinleon

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26 Jun 2008 at 21:56 - 284

Yes,SF I do say is getting overpowered.
There was a perma-SF before the buff,just harder to do.
If people learned it that way,we would have the same result.

Miss Puddles

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26 Jun 2008 at 22:12 - 285

isn't this a thread about the hall of monuments? enough QQ about ursan and SF already.

Issac

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Earthrealm

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26 Jun 2008 at 22:15 - 286

I'm really liking this update, was mad before that most of my titles were ganna go to waste lol.

Konig Des Todes

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26 Jun 2008 at 23:40 - 287

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Originally Posted by MagicalHobo

0_o

ROFLMFAO

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Originally Posted by captain_carter

I don't think that's quite right, the mini will display in the ele's character hall, and in the account based hall, I see no reason why it would be seen in the dervish's character hall based on the info we have been given.

Will it be seen in the hall meant for the dervish alone? no, but it can be shown in the HoM when the dervish goes in. That, of course, being the account HoM. I think its impossible to say that each character will have 2 HoMs, seeing how the benefits are account to account, it might be safer to say that there will be 1 HoM per account, not 1 HoM per character. But until ANet updates the HoM, then its all really just speculation and interpretation of the wording.

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Originally Posted by Miss Puddles

isn't this a thread about the hall of monuments? enough QQ about ursan and SF already.

Yes, please keep this thread based on what it's meant to be about.

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Originally Posted by Issac

I'm really liking this update, was mad before that most of my titles were ganna go to waste lol.

As long as you want to show those titles on different characters, its not a waste. Its only a waste if you wanted those titles to be in you HoM only. Want KoaBD on multiple characters? Not a waste

Hobbs

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26 Jun 2008 at 23:48 - 288

Something i'm wondering is how you will link up accounts in GW2? What's to stop someone else typing my account name into the little box and reaping my rewards? I'm sure there will be something but what? A confirmation email? Type in your GW1 password? I haven't played Guild Wars in around 6 months but even I can definitely see this update as a move for the better

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Konig Des Todes

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27 Jun 2008 at 01:03 - 289

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Originally Posted by Togira Ikonaka

Something i'm wondering is how you will link up accounts in GW2? What's to stop someone else typing my account name into the little box and reaping my rewards? I'm sure there will be something but what? A confirmation email? Type in your GW1 password? I haven't played Guild Wars in around 6 months but even I can definitely see this update as a move for the better

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It will probably be "type in your GW1 account name and password" or "type in your codes from your GW1 game." would be safest to go with account name and password, then people won't sell them unless they are also selling their GW1 account. Reduce the number of selling rewards for GW2.

Gregslot

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27 Jun 2008 at 02:16 - 290

We are one step from making some titles account-wide (vanquish and etc).
Agreeing with this update does not say we agree with grind, only if you are grinding.
If you got the grind-based title with one character, you can say you dont agree with grind simply by not wanting to grind with other characters.
Lets say, you grinded, didint liked, now not grinding anymore.
You are fraking out, seriously.

DreamWind

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E/Mo

27 Jun 2008 at 05:06 - 291

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Yes, please keep this thread based on what it's meant to be about.

They are keeping it what it is meant to be about. HoM (and this new update) is about farming/title grinding to fill it. Ursan and SF are about farming/title/money grinding. Theres very little difference.

Konig Des Todes

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27 Jun 2008 at 05:25 - 292

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

They are keeping it what it is meant to be about. HoM (and this new update) is about farming/title grinding to fill it. Ursan and SF are about farming/title/money grinding. Theres very little difference.

Although you have to farm and title grind to fill the HoM, that does not mean that you should relate it to Ursan and SF. Using your logic, anything that is PvE can be related to Ursan and SF and other Farming/idiot builds. Why can't we just keep THIS SINGULAR THREAD Ursan and SF free? All others seem to have a reference to them, not everything in GW revolves around them.

Lady Lozza

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Oz

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27 Jun 2008 at 05:46 - 293

How is SF related to HoM? The only connection is obsidian armour and that is hardly a connection at all.

I like the account based idea. Will wait to see it implemented.
I think others have said would be nice to make things like Treasure Hunter account based. Treasure hunter and Wisdom would be nice, not that I think that will happen.

Ate of DK

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Netherlands

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27 Jun 2008 at 06:07 - 294

Offcourse people mention Ursanway and Shadow Form. You can't close your eyes when it comes to those two skills which are controlling the majority of the PvE content atm. You hardly find groups that are non-ursan.

People are frustrated that Anet allows these skills while others are very happy that their unwanted character can finally get into a group with cute bears. I can understand the last group altho I don't really like the skills.

Everything you put in the Hall of Monuments has to do with achievements over time and money spend during that time. People who started collecting stuff late or just want to max it out quickly need money and the fastest ways of making money is by playing elite area's and farming. You can guess what skills are common used in those area's...

Note: Offcourse people can also make money with PvP. Which is one of the best ways atm. Winning an mAT will make you rich, daily tournaments are nice and winning the Hall of Heroes a few times each day will do as well.

Considering that you need the Eye of the North expansion to play with PvE-only skills and that the perma-SF assassins needs 3 chapters and 1 expansion tells me that Anet is still milking money from people. They can always use those extra dollars/euro's with GW2 being far away from us. Beta in 2nd half of 2008 and yet nobody has seen a screenshot yet. Add that they don't even have fully worked out plans with the HoM when they released Eye of the North.

I don't expect them to nerf any of these powerful PvE builds because making money is one of the few things people are playing for. Giving the game a new impuls with changing the Hall of Monuments might stimulate a few players again to keep maxing their Halls. While ecto's are dropping in price other items like Gemstone sets will probably see a boost when people want to buy Tormented weapons.

I don't know yet if I'm happy with this dev. update. Hope they update it soon so I can see it ingame.

Neo Nugget

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27 Jun 2008 at 06:43 - 295

So>.> I was expecting this update to happen when I got home from work late tonight. Is thursday not their update day anymore?:O

I don't want them do what they did last dev update and not have an update

Lady Lozza

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Oz

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27 Jun 2008 at 06:46 - 296

Neo, the update is some time in the future. I got the impression from what was written on the website that it is a matter of a month or two.

Neo Nugget

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27 Jun 2008 at 06:49 - 297

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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza

Neo, the update is some time in the future. I got the impression from what was written on the website that it is a matter of a month or two.

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We are not able to announce a specific date at which these changes will be released, but we're explaining them now so that players can choose their play patterns accordingly.

>.> I R n00b and can't read

*cough*Well darn :P

DreamWind

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27 Jun 2008 at 07:11 - 298

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Although you have to farm and title grind to fill the HoM, that does not mean that you should relate it to Ursan and SF.

Um...yes it does. Ate of DK made a perfect post as to why.

Konig Des Todes

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27 Jun 2008 at 07:25 - 299

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Um...yes it does. Ate of DK made a perfect post as to why.

What he said is true, and Ursan and SF are connected through how you get things done. But thats still a rather loose connection to the HoM, which is my point. Ursan and SF (sadly) rule PvE as king and queen, and the HoM is one of the main reasons why people continue to play PvE. Is there a connection? Yes. Should it be mentioned? I don't see why it should, which is my real point. Sorry if my wording before has confused you, happens a lot

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Puddingbroodje

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27 Jun 2008 at 09:10 - 300

i am really curious if Guild Wars 2 will have a Hall of Monuments also where you can see all your accomplishments from Guild Wars 1 and to unlock all your neat stuff

Stockholm

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27 Jun 2008 at 14:08 - 301

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Originally Posted by Puddingbroodje

i am really curious if Guild Wars 2 will have a Hall of Monuments also where you can see all your accomplishments from Guild Wars 1 and to unlock all your need stuff

Nothing in HoM will be "NEED" stuff, only cosmetic. It will not give you any kind of advantage as far as game play is concerned.

I can't wait to hear all the morons complaining when GW2 finally comes and they find out what they really get from HoM, right now it seams like people think it's going to be like a GW supermarket.

zamial

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27 Jun 2008 at 14:51 - 302

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

Nothing in HoM will be "NEED" stuff, only cosmetic. It will not give you any kind of advantage as far as game play is concerned.

I can't wait to hear all the morons complaining when GW2 finally comes and they find out what they really get from HoM, right now it seams like people think it's going to be like a GW supermarket.

I want to speculate on this a little.
Since it is believed (not confirmed) that there will be town clothes and glam items, rings and necklaces. wouldn't it stand to reason that this is what the majority of it will be? At 1st it sounds bad BUT I like this idea. for example: Conquer of the fissure of woe, it could be a hooded cloak with the felblade animation. I will be happy with whatever I get from the HoM as it will still seperate me from those that never played gw1. I do agree tho that the majority of players that think they will have a head start or a direct transfer of things are going to be upset. The HoM ia an UNLOCK, we all know that just because something is unlocked doesn't mean that you get it from the start.

Now I want to say a few other things,
This is a good update. I am slightly confused, why they just do not make all titles account based at this point and be done with it? There is 1 last question I and 4 million+ other people would like to know the answer to and that is: What are the min/recommended system specs going to be? A little heads up will go a long way.

Stockholm

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27 Jun 2008 at 14:55 - 303

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamial

I want to speculate on this a little.
Since we know that there will be town cloths and glam items, rings and necklaces.

??? Where did you get that Info?

zamial

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27 Jun 2008 at 15:21 - 304

Alot of different sources. I beleive it was touched on in the gw2 special edition pc gammer mag. Where they were discussing "concepts". I have heard it from Devs and from other sources. I am NOT going to go digging through 1000's of threads, wiki talks, online articles and the like.

captain_carter

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27 Jun 2008 at 15:41 - 305

what is a "town cloth"?
I would probably class essentially useless jewellery as glam items, which is what I think a lot of us were expecting given the no advantage plan.

zamial

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27 Jun 2008 at 15:46 - 306

Quote:

Originally Posted by captain_carter

what is a "town cloth"?

I fixed typo. Thankyou for being more anal than me.

Puddingbroodje

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27 Jun 2008 at 15:48 - 307

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stockholm

Nothing in HoM will be "NEED" stuff, only cosmetic. It will not give you any kind of advantage as far as game play is concerned.

I can't wait to hear all the morons complaining when GW2 finally comes and they find out what they really get from HoM, right now it seams like people think it's going to be like a GW supermarket.

i meen euhm neat stuff, cool stuff.
little typo...

Another Felldspar

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27 Jun 2008 at 15:52 - 308

I would love to see unlocks that are fitting to the title or accomplishment. For example, along the consumption track Drunkards get a lampshade helmet, Party Animals a special dance emote, and those that have maxed sweet tooth are able to choose a different body type -- one that is more husky -- when creating their character.

That's the kind of thing that I would like.

Miss Puddles

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27 Jun 2008 at 15:57 - 309

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Originally Posted by MagicalHobo

0_o

oh, if only!

i'm curious as to how this will actually be implemented. as i commented in the guildwars livejournal community, the wording that anet uses suggests that the monument will show your character wearing armor that another character bought. ie, will my ranger be wearing mesmer obsidian armor, or will my ranger be wearing ranger obsidian that she hasn't bought? if that makes sense.
like if you have obsidian armor unlocked, will your monuments show whichever character you are currently logged on to wearing it? or will it show something like the picture above? lol.

aaje vhanli

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27 Jun 2008 at 16:08 - 310

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamial

Since we know that there will be town clothes and glam items, rings and necklaces. wouldn't it stand to reason that this is what the majority of it will be?

I've been keeping fairly up-to-date with the news concerning this and I haven't seen anything clarifying what you say we "know."

I understand not taking the time to find the source, because I sure as hell know I don't want to take the time to do that, but I'd think it's better to only state things as a definite when we're willing to re-check our sources so that we can be accurate instead of, potentially, creating rumours based on misread information.

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Originally Posted by zamial

I do agree tho that the majority of players that think they will have a head start or a direct transfer of things are going to be upset. The HoM ia an UNLOCK, we all know that just because something is unlocked doesn't mean that you get it from the start.

That's a great point. I hadn't even considered that myself. Hell, you may have just saved a lot of people a LOT of disappointment haha

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Originally Posted by Miss Puddles

or will my ranger be wearing ranger obsidian that she hasn't bought?

That's how I understood it, based on the Dev Update quoted.

Horus

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27 Jun 2008 at 16:33 - 311

and this will be implemented when?

zamial

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27 Jun 2008 at 16:36 - 312

I was a little sleepy when I made that 1st post. You are correct in that we/I know nothing beyond what the other people in the community have access to. I have edited my original post to reflect that.
I am going to say I beleive that gaile grey said," AS AN EXAMPLE, your unlock my be a map or that you may need to find the HoM before you get the ?????? that you get from it". (This is a translation from memory.)
I think it is a very special thing that a-net has decided to do this for us. There is a very short list of games that have let you get somthing for playing the previous version of it. Not everyone will be happy. My opinon is I am happy with anything as it is better than nothing. I HOPE that there will be more physical glam items than titles/or quest items. Once again that is my opinon.

puffzilla

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27 Jun 2008 at 16:37 - 313

Ty Anet. I haven't played on anyother char since the titles come out. Looking forward to it.

Only down side... is that I might be tempted to work on a LDoA. lol. Eww...lol

I'm wondering how the Wisdom and Treasure hunter titles will work out. I guess it's just a HoM thing but it would be nice it affected all your chars if you did it once.

This might make it into the 3rd ie first Thursday of next month big release. We'll see.

draxynnic

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27 Jun 2008 at 16:42 - 314

Lyra, normally I'd be right behind you in the fight against grind, in spirit if not actually in person, but... I'd have to say this particular kind I don't see as being too much of a problem. Grinding for vanity has been in the game since elite armours were introduced - it's the flawed implementation of PvE skills that link grind to mechanical benefit we should be directing our efforts against. If it had any chance of doing any good.

Regarding the actual update... well, I'm glad I held off on purchasing some sets of duplicate armours until after this announcement... now I can prune the list down to the essentials, and maybe even have a shot at FoW.

As for the five sets of elite Canthan... I regret nothing! NOTHING!!!

(Now, if only I could find a definitive list as to what Prophecies armour counts for what statue...)

Bryant Again

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27 Jun 2008 at 17:01 - 315

Quote:

Originally Posted by draxynnic

Lyra, normally I'd be right behind you in the fight against grind, in spirit if not actually in person, but... I'd have to say this particular kind I don't see as being too much of a problem. Grinding for vanity has been in the game since elite armours were introduced - it's the flawed implementation of PvE skills that link grind to mechanical benefit we should be directing our efforts against. If it had any chance of doing any good.

The HoM should encourage players to go out and play the game, killing monsters, beating bosses, clearing dungeons of evil baddies. It shouldn't reward players for treating GW like an MMO.

lyra_song

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27 Jun 2008 at 17:34 - 316

I have no problem with passing on physical items via HOM like weapons and armors and minipets.

But some of the more pointless grind titles shouldn't be there, imo. Gee...id like to not pass on the title of being a drunkard to my decendants...Thats really not an accomplishment.

Stockholm

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27 Jun 2008 at 17:54 - 317

Quote:

Originally Posted by zamial

Alot of different sources. I beleive it was touched on in the gw2 special edition pc gammer mag. Where they were discussing "concepts". I have heard it from Devs and from other sources. I am NOT going to go digging through 1000's of threads, wiki talks, online articles and the like.

As a Mod you should lead by virtue and use SEARCH,
if not proven other wise it's just an unfounded rumor.

zamial

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27 Jun 2008 at 18:27 - 318

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stockholm

As a Mod you should lead by virtue and use SEARCH,
if not proven other wise it's just an unfounded rumor.

OK, I am a Technician. A limited mod with limited abilities in the Technicians corner thread. I do however like to come out and interact with the community here in other threads when I can.
I am a VERY busy person and refuse to search ever detail in every post I make with "proof" for you, I flat out do not have the time. I have also changed the wording of my posts in this thread to reflect that, please reread them.
I am lead by virtue, Instead of being a forum troll like I was, I help others with there computer issues for free. I have solved many issues for people and guided them in a good direction. I also work for free for a vetrans non-profit organization. I am responsible for veterans, less fortunate familes, and other non-profits receiving much needed computers/laptops for free, instead of them ending in land fills. Not to mention haveing a full time job, a girlfreind and trying to sqeeze in a little game time. This is actually the 1st time I have been questioned on my virtue and I am making sure it is my last. I will always post what I feel is the truth, my memory is not the best, I am still human and prone to be incorrect from time to time.

On the real issue here:
The update will provide a much needed revival for the HoM. Many were very disappointed when they discovered how it worked.

Stockholm

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27 Jun 2008 at 18:35 - 319

I apologize for the virtue post,
but the fact remains that "regular posters" get the "USE SEARCH " all the time, and posting things without being able to back them up is no good. That's why I posted what I did when you stated you would not bother with search.

Steps_Descending

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27 Jun 2008 at 18:48 - 320

all I have to say is : I'm eager to see people starting GW2 expecting to have all their destroyer weapon...

That being said... maybe I could start to work on that Hall.