Dev Update: Hall of Monuments Changes

The only people that I see this update hurting are those that decided to max out their HoM on multiple characters. Those that have been focusing on a single character (which I would gather many of the dedicated HoM completionists have done) aren't impacted by this at all, other than for the lost opportunity cost of playing their other characters.

As a result, I don't see this update negatively impacting but a very minor portion of the GW community.

I interpret it completely different, (for the shared Hall of Monuments):

a) Warrior puts Obsidian armor into HoM
b) Warrior goes into HoM, and can see his himself, with all of his armor, including Obsidian
c) Necro, without Obsidian armor, goes into HoM, and does not see Obsidian armor, but sees the sets that he has acquired
d) Necro buys Obsidian armor, and puts it into HoM
e) Necro now sees Obsidian armor, plus his others

The key is this:

I think that they are trying to eliminate the need to display a Warrior in Obsidian armor, a Necro in Elite Necrotic armor, and a Ritualist in Elite Imperial armor, all at the same time. But that's just my interpretation...

The entire point of Account-based HoM display is so that it displays the crap from ALL your characters. If your warrior puts in FoW and your necro enters, it will show the necro FoW.

You can interpret however you want, but being wrong is still wrong. :\

I would watch A-net’s wording on this if I were you. I know many people are hyped up about this but I find that with A-net’s past decisions, it will instead add more confusion regarding the HoM then the actual truth about it. Let’s just say I rather wait to know what I am going to get before I put things way beyond their perspective. This goes hand to hand with the unlock system that will be coming with GW 2, since past lessons have taught me better.

Fixed your post.

HoM is no incentive for GW2 when it's just going to be aesthetic rewards. I probably won't join GW2 since it reads like it's doing away with monks. >.>

Besides, you can't "fix" a quote when it's directed at an individual post... nice try though?

Now they also need to rework Fellowship to show what each character's pet actually is.

Which is in itself enough for most people. The entire point of HoM is aesthetic, and is the reason a ton of people are joyful about this update.

I just did.

Yay! Now I can laugh at people who completed more than one HoM. Seriously though, this sold me on GW2. GG A-Net!

any possibility that they make some titles THEMSELVES account-wide? Like.... treasure hunter?

The irony is dense with this one...

Again, I implore you: go away.

And quit whining.

I don't think so and I sure hope they don't.

I'm still waiting for the day that they give characters that were born before the introduction of the survivor title a chance to max it. But don't see that comming...

Excellent news Sgt. Wright.

nice but I am still ticked off that the ONLY armor you cannot display in the HoM is the Dwarven and the fact that Anet didnt tell any of us about this restriction until numerous of us had gotten our armor and turned in what we thought was a bug..THEN anet tells us it cannot be displayed. Anytime you spend that much on armor..it should be displayed. Yes I know this is bringing up an old gripe but I am still ticked off bout this

I kinda liked it the way it was before, as I was getting used to having a "main" character with achievements and secondary characters. Personally would have preferred it if they just made certain titles account based like treasure hunter.

Well guess this means I'm officially retired from doing any more HM stuff.

You misunderstand, probably due to how ANet structured that sentence. What they mean in what you quote, is that you do not see the character who displayed the armor, you see the character you on, in their version of that armor.

Meaning:
1) Warrior puts in Obsidian Armor into HoM
2) Necro enters account-based HoM
3) Necro sees necro in a necro Obsidian armor, even though a necro obsidian armor was never put up.
4) Necro does not see a warrior in obsidian armor.

1) rewards are still rewards, therefore, still an incentive (although not a big one ).

2) can you cite your source for "reads like its doing away with monks."? I don't recall seeing that. Besides, the worse a monk will get is either a revamp, or a replacement. You MUST have a healer.

3) You can always fix posts that are not fully correct .

A reward is not inherently an incentive. The literary concept of a malicious djinni explores the whole mindset behind this particular situation.

The concept of HoM goes against the original design of the game skill > time since only a limited number of max titles can be considered skillful.


The problem that many have had with HOM is the requirement to grind multiple characters.

This is now solved by making account wide. But this doesnt take away the grind at all and continues to reward grinding instead of skill.

So the problem is still there. Most people have accepted grinding. I see it as the flaw.

It is stupid. And my opinion is valid, wether you like it or not.

Ive had many ideas to solve this before, but it requires radical shift in thinking and most people too uncomfortable with thinking much less radical thinking.

Yay! Now if only they can make these changes:

• Allow Dwarven armor to be added
• Allow more customization to monuments (select which title statues, pets, etc. go where instead of completely random)
• Allow all weapon types to be added
• Let each type of pet have its own statue (especially rainbow phoenix)

Glad I didn't blow money on the Destroyer bow to add, I didn't like it anyway. I'd rather have the Tormented one. Seriously hope they don't skyrocket in price too much...

They probably will. If you were smart, you'd buy one now, or soon at least.

It would be a LOT of work to allow all weapons I imagine.

Nice to hear a little of how HoM will work in relation to GW2, but I will have to wait and see this change implemented before I comment on it. Wouldn't be the first time something sounded good but ended up being a mediocre change.

Yea...... I hope it goes as they say since lots of stuff has shocked many in the past recent months.....

At least I will actually finish getting LS on my para...

meh. doesn't affect me in any way... since I only play 1 char.
But grats to the rest of you.

What I'd rater have is the wisdom title looked st in HoM. IMO it's insane to require it maxed out (when for instance luck or others have so much lower requirements)

Maybe it's already been mentioned but what happens with the Dedicated Mini's?
Are they also be account based?

Everything in the HoM should be able to be displayed on an account basis, so yes, effectively. Dedicated minis are already fully usable by other characters (and, indeed, players), so there's really no issue there, other than there won't be any need to fill multiple HoMs with 20 minis.

Which is good, because 20 minis is about as many as I can stand to store on my account - 1 storage tab for pets is quite enough!

wait, wait, people care?
silly pve'ers

i mean:
are the dedicated mini's also shown at other characters.
my kuunavang is dedicated to my ele, is it after this update also available for my dervish's HoM?

in short, yes

0_o

o_Õ you, sir, win this thread.

It'd be great if in GW2 you get a something akin to a 'recognition fuzzy' for having a max hall. One extra line of dialogue that says "this was your ancestor's" when you get your first weapon.

I didnt see any problem before, now it just makes no sense, its like playing different chars where completing a quest on one char finishes the quest on the other char? Make sense? No, im sure all the people that dont want to do anything and get everying for nothing love it though.

Why cater to them? They werent going to fill the HOM anyway, the bitching about being forced to play 1 char was just an excuse to nerf those who spent a lot of time on the HOM and had no interest in filling it themselves.

Its the same people who want Ursan nerfed or grinding gone, beause they cant compete in it and they dont want others too, they had no interest in participating in it themselves.



THe problems I had with HM was the obviouse stuff like not being able to customize it the way you like etc. not that it was too hard to accomplish. Infact all this did was cheapen everything everyone did in the game and thats fine to those who wanted it this way because they had no intention of working or competeing for anything.

This is a bad sign, the community has finally got to Anet and its all downhill form here.

I can say only - FINALLY !!

No idiot before that Update would ever get more than 1 Minipet per Type for the HoM - making that monument account based = epic win and best solution

No one ever would want to grind 30+ titles with each character, absolutely way too time consuming and it was, as knon the reason, why alot of people disliked the Hom, because it forced peopel to concentrate of playing just only 1 class to have enough tiem for all that grind - making HoM account based = epic win and best solution

It's completely enough to get these armor remnants per Hero once, anything else before the Update was just only a retarded concept fail, once a hero has received such a Remnant, those heroes should wear the Elite Armor from the begin on for all our characters of our account, this way we need only to get 1 remnant per hero and not x remnants for all heroes of all our characters.

- buying all those destroyer7torment items for the monument is also extreme expensive enough, ther its absolutely enough to buy these only once and it counts then for the whole account...

and and finally the armor monument for our characters, I'm confused a bit about it, how Anet wants to make that XD, because its theroretically the only monument, that is unable to be changed into account based.

Hopefully will this update also include all those retarded super grind titles, like Drunkard, Sweettooth, party animal, Treasure Hutner and Wisdom to become account based finally, especially the last 2, because they give players little to medium unfair financial advantages over others, that have these titles not so high and because of thet far lesser retention rates for lockpicks, which means, that their picks break alot more often so that you have to buy theoretically new ones more frequently, than someone with high retention rates who doesn't have to fear so much about it, that the lockpick might break eventually.

I can say only: after years finally again a really good update. Now bring us next more useful updates please, like giving us finally a special storage tab for minipets or a storage for ranger pets, so that they finally can tame more, than just only 1 pet -.- Or for example in case of the minipets FINALLY the ability to reproduce to the HoM dedicated Minis per order, like the Event hats !!!

Get unded mini, ded it to your hom, its for example a Grawl, after that throw the ded grawl into the garbage tin, then type /rep grawl, press enter and TADAAAA, your ded grawl got reproduced and is in your inventory >.>

is it really somewhat of hard to give us this important feature for minipets ? to give us more storage space, without giving it us in real ? Reproducing Features are the best solution, that you can give us players, when real Storage Space is extreme limited !!!

or alot more important, finally an Armor Storage. Stacking runes, insignias and perfect weapon upgrades >.<

the ability to put stuff into our Bag items and then to put the Bags with their inner stuff into the Storage Chest (this would be a wonderful way to extremely increase our storage space, without increasing our real storage space through more free slots)

theres so much stuff, which need really some significant gameplay concept changes in this game to make the gameplay of GW1 better and more simple for players, which love to collect things of stuff from the game.
Nothign is worser, as when you want to collect ingame something, that isn't really something tiny and then you end up with too less storage space to complete your collection >.< meh without beign forced to delete something first, that you normally would not intend to delete, because you also want to keep that stuff.

sigh, I know this will never happen in GW1 anymore, but the HOPE dies last

I have a lot of characters, and it would be a pain to fill the HoM on each of them. It's just more convenient and lets me play other characters without thinking it's a waste of my time.

If its a pain then dont do it, to some its not a pain and they want to show that it isnt, why hold them back? Why ruin it for others that want to accomplish something for a bunch of their characters?

I'm quoting these two posts...

...because they completely changed my perspective and opinion of what I had previously posted. I don't think that's ever happened.

^^ QFT.

/signed for grinding sucks.

Just like the back of the Proph box says.

QQ for lazy people.
You expect to get all the rewards for being lazy @$$'$?
/notsigned
BTW,lots of people have filled their HoM on many characters.

I don't think that's quite right, the mini will display in the ele's character hall, and in the account based hall, I see no reason why it would be seen in the dervish's character hall based on the info we have been given.

I myself have no problem with it. Alot of people have a "Main character", or whatever you want to call it, some have filled HoM on multiple characters and it's quite nice for people who don't want to fill HoM on multiple characters, and to be honest I don't blame them. I myself find grinding boring, and have 19 (Yes, 19) PvE characters, with 2 PvP character slots.

For alot of people, repeating this task is very, very boring. Myself included. How is not wanting to grind on multiple characters lazy, when not everyone has time to invest into this?

As I said, it's nice for the player who doesn't play as often as people who have multiple HoM's filled.
Not necesary, but nice.