HA isn't an easy place to get into. I think you have to be pretty determined if you want to have any amount of success here.
My journey to r3 was initially a struggle but I took steps to learn what builds were flavour of the day. For example when you stand around in HA you will see groups looking for SF ele or expel rit. You need to learn what these builds are and also learn how to use them.
I am surprised that there are not unranked groups forming. There certainly was when I used to play in HA. They generally used the latest gimmick build of the day( in my case heroway).
I could sometimes blag my way into ranked groups by messaging the group leader who was looking for a particular build by saying "i may not be rank x but i know the build well and have played it many times". Or something along those lines. Basically be friendly but try to come across as if you know what you are doing(Which i basically did, but was a bit rough round the edges).
Over a period of days you will naturally come to add some players as friends and may be called occasionally by pplayers while not even in HA to join groups.
So to sum up. Is it difficult to get into? YES.
Does it get easier? YES.
Is it worth it? Of course!
Does rank mean anything to you?
Cab Tastic
Dr Strangelove
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Ok, I'll go PM that r14 and tell that person I want to be friends. I think he will understand.
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Rank really is secondary to finding groups for HA/GvG. The first and best way to find groups is to make friends. Go find a guild of other people who want to play. Don't be a douche and think the rank 10 guild is going to want you right away, they have a solid 8 players, they don't want more. Hang out in RA/TA/AB where nobody much cares about rank, if you're not a douchenozzle, you'll make friends who will play with you. Hell, hang around on the forums and make snide comments, even that will get you a group.
When people are spamming for a r6+ monk, they've already exhausted all their friends. If you're truly a good player and know decent builds, they'll likely take you no matter what your rank. They hate sitting around spamming as much as you do, as long as you're better than a hero monk, they won't care.
If you don't know good builds, hang around RA/TA/AB, read the forums, or watch observer mode. You'll pick it up fairly quickly. Remember, you're not a unique snowflake, if you think you're "a rank 1 who is just as good as a rank 10", you're probably not. Be social, be ready to learn, and don't be a douchebag.
Free Sigils
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I can understand where you're coming from. Getting groups for HA is a catch 22.
I used to be frustrated by rank discrimination, then I actually learned how to play in HA and I finally understood why there is rank discrimination. It's unfortunate, but it does happen. I got to my r3 mostly by monking for no rank pugs. It was slow, it was not easy, sometimes it was a little frustrating. It was amazing if I ever got more than 2 fame in a single run. Once you have a visible rank, it starts getting a little easier to join groups, even if they're still not very good. But, see, what you can earn from this is, if you're decent, other decent people will start adding you to their friends list. This is how people ALL people started getting rank. You know other people. And in some cases, you know other people who know other people. I got to r5 by getting invited to a group by knowing someone who knew someone who needed another player and I ended up being decent enough that I became a regular in their groups. This led to me meeting other decent people who thought I was decent. A couple of times I was invited into r9+ groups as r3, simply because I knew people. See where that goes? If you tried, instead of getting frustrated and all flamey about it, maybe you could put yourself into a better position to earn some rank because good people DO still exist. My boyfriend and I are higher ranked than everybody else in my guild. The great majority of my guild have never even stepped foot in HA. They don't know how to kite, they don't understand anything about tactics, they have no idea what to do on what maps. We're taking the time to teach them some of the basics so that we can take them HAing with us so we can start showing them the ropes. I am quite positive there are other guilds that do the same, as I have NEVER ONCE been in a guild that wasn't willing to help me learn and bring me along. Part of that reason is because I was not whiny and disrespectful, I was willing to learn, and I listened to what I was told because I knew that they had more experience than I did. People who discriminate with a poor attitude are just as bad as the people who outright label anybody with rank as being those kind of PvPers. There's several of the latter in this thread, I hope you can see your hypocrisy. |
Seriously. Everything she said there is 100% true and describes how 90% (Real Statistic) of HA players got to where they are today. You just gotta suck it up and carry on, or QQ and scrub out. Just like Boot Camp.
Taurucis
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Taurucis , if you put the same effort into making groups as you do crying on these forums you'd be a success in no time.
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It's not scrubbing out, it's called being smart.
Dr Strangelove
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I don't even play Guild Wars any more, it doesn't really matter to me any more. What's irritating is all the stuck-up jerks thinking they're better people somehow because they have an orange animal sticking out of their chest.
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Boot camp is one of the best places to go for physical and verbal abuse, there is really no reason anyone should slog through that for whatever pitiful rewards lie ahead. Just like HA, except there is more verbal abuse and less physical abuse.
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Taurucis
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Most people can separate their skills as a player from their value as a person. If you can't, that's nobody's fault but your own. Also, as has been said before, rank is a last-resort way to tell a good player from a bad one, not the first and only way you're judged.
That's your choice. If you don't want to go through boot camp, don't join the army. If you don't want to become a better player, don't PvP. |
The thing is, in HA rank is the first way a player is judged.
I know a guy who has rarely, if ever, touched PvP, yet he's really good at Guild Wars. In fact I know quite a few of them.
Snow Bunny
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That's your choice. If you don't want to go through boot camp, don't join the army. If you don't want to become a better player, don't PvP.
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The problem is that most people entering PvP and complaining about its difficulty curve aren't doing PvP to play it as Player vs. Player. Most do it for the title or for the quick gratification of winning.
If you wanted to PvP for the sake of enjoying PvP, you'd take your friends with you and you guys would be relaxed about it and not really care if you lose.
However, as many posts on this forum have come to confirm, I believe that most people who complain about the inaccessibility of organized PvP are largely PvPing for the /rank emote or some silly title. Just like people in Sardelac complaining that Champion and Hero should be made easier to obtain for the HoM. I mean, are you people serious?
People don't realize that hundreds bordering on thousands of players have worked for that shiny animal, and have put in a lot of effort into getting that little title under their name.
Unlike raptor farming, PvP's attitude towards instant gratification is "lolno" Get used to that.
MithranArkanere
Rank? You mean Hero rank?
Yeah!
The higher the rank of an account, the higer the chances of that player gloating around, bothering people in outposts.
Since the addition of the ability to show titles, the rank emote should work only in explorables, arenas and guild halls.
Yeah!
The higher the rank of an account, the higer the chances of that player gloating around, bothering people in outposts.
Since the addition of the ability to show titles, the rank emote should work only in explorables, arenas and guild halls.
Dr Strangelove
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However, as many posts on this forum have come to confirm, I believe that most people who complain about the inaccessibility of organized PvP are largely PvPing for the /rank emote or some silly title. Just like people in Sardelac complaining that Champion and Hero should be made easier to obtain for the HoM. I mean, are you people serious?
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Most PvP players aren't there for the silly animal bursting out of their chest, they're there to play a fun and challenging game. The titles and such are just a neat afterthought, like looking at your stats after a match in an FPS.
All of that is fine until the two groups mix. PvE players get pissed because PvP is not conducive to title farming. There really isn't an easy task you can do over and over until you get the carrot at the end of the stick. If you're new and want nothing but that carrot, PvP seems impossibly elitist and boring. By contrast, PvP-oriented players have a lot of disdain for what PvE has become. Crap like ursan completely removes the challenge part of the game that drives them, leaving nothing but the carrot at the end of stick.
If you want proof of this, go take a look at any skill balance thread. A hefty chunk of PvE players justify overpowered skills by saying "they let them get stuff done". The other half of the playerbase doesn't understand this fixation on rewards, and talks about game balance and challenge. However, since both sides have completely different goals, nobody ends up agreeing on anything.
Off topic, your posts are a nightmare to quote with all the font bbcode
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Aejorii
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I know what he meant, but that's a bad suggestion when International District (the one that might have people in it) has nobody to group with except people that are looking for actual ranked people.
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Risus
Way to gain fame at <r3. Make your own groups. Use builds in the meta. PvX.com helps you. But of course when I do that I rarely get past the 2nd match and the entire team quits and its back to a 40 min search for more players... OH well, try it. It might work for you.
Free Sigils
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I'm talking about those idiots who troll in GToB flashing their rank and saying "lolnoob" once a second.
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Ate of DK
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Those aren't PvPers, they are Pvers in wolf's (or tiger's) clothing.
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They are PvE players who played too many double fame weekends and spend quite some money on their Olias' and Master of Whisper' equipment just to get that flashy tiger.
To be honest, in my guild almost nobody knows how much fame each other has. We also don't know how much fame our guests have. We know that we can play effective and have good playing friends as well. That is all that counts. We play for fun and wait for the day that we finally see a mini-ghostly drop from the stupid chest.
Zahr Dalsk
I don't care about titles, rank, etc, and when someone flashes a hero rank or zaishen rank, I laugh at them. Good fun 
Spazzer
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HA has had rank discrimination 1 month after HA was invented.
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Rank descrimination started in mid-to-late '05, after the change in fame to grant it to players after the first win rather than after the second.
Originally, you could only win fame after winning the first of the 6-team maps, so pretty much nobody had any rank.
Following this update, a few months later the IWAY fad opened the doors to players who did not have a normal group to run with. This originally ended the first spurt of rank descrimination that began to start in July. IWAY's swift popularity in september and october led to even more rank descrimination from heavy IWAY users in early '06.
The more common a rank is, the less it's worth. For instance, having Champion ranks is not a requirement to get into a pugvg match. Anet created this monster, and has nurtured it into what you see today.
Trylo
it doesnt mean much to me. good players can adapt to situations. im still r3 or r4 or something like that, ive won halls, been in the [ KeYs ] alliance, played top HA matches... and been complimented on my play by r10+
if they give you a chance and you dont suck, theyll usually give you another...
if they give you a chance and you dont suck, theyll usually give you another...
Kanyatta
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I'm sorry but I just have to LOL at this.
It is true that an unranked person isn't going to know how every map works, just like ranked people can't take a few hours to step away from their fancy emotes to actually help out a new person. |
Simple solution that's worked for me for almost 3 years: Don't play HA
Cale Roughstar
Do I care about rank? No.
Do I care about skill? Yes.
Is rank an indicator of skill? Usually.
The reason most rank discrimination goes on is that often rank does reflect skill. It is rare to find the r1 who is good as the r10, because even if the r1 can interrupt, infuse, prot or spike as well as the r10, the r10 has the advantage of experience, and knowing is half the battle. (Okay not really half but you get the idea).
That is why I would even encourage new players to play Flavour of the Month builds, to gain the experience to succede at the next level. If you know nothing about cap points or relic runs, how can you expect to play balanced or r-spike and get anywhere. Learn the builds, learn the maps, learn who to learn from, and most important of all, make friends.
Do I care about skill? Yes.
Is rank an indicator of skill? Usually.
The reason most rank discrimination goes on is that often rank does reflect skill. It is rare to find the r1 who is good as the r10, because even if the r1 can interrupt, infuse, prot or spike as well as the r10, the r10 has the advantage of experience, and knowing is half the battle. (Okay not really half but you get the idea).
That is why I would even encourage new players to play Flavour of the Month builds, to gain the experience to succede at the next level. If you know nothing about cap points or relic runs, how can you expect to play balanced or r-spike and get anywhere. Learn the builds, learn the maps, learn who to learn from, and most important of all, make friends.
Bowstring Badass
Rank to me = higher balth cap and something to grind for outside of PvE when I get bored.
Also cale nice on the gi joe reference.
Also cale nice on the gi joe reference.
Stockholm
Rank means that if you flash it in a pug I'm leading your KICKED.
NoXiFy
rank means everything tbh,
Scarlett W
I read tiyuri's guide, but ignored the bit where he suggests you get a lot of practice in Random Arenas and Team Areans first.
So, as soon as I unlocked Heroes Ascent, last Thursday, I went there. While no group would take me, I did get some random invites. One of those happened to be a predominantly guild team and earned my first 10 fame with them.
Later, I joined a team that gave me a searing flames skillbar, and earned no fame with them. The person that formed the team refused to call, and it was a mess. The following day, I took those searing flames skillbars and formed my own team. While I am obviously inexperienced at this game, it became evident to me that the build was strong, since we managed to get about 6 fame.
Anyways, I think people complain to much. I know that I am nowhere near as experienced or as skilled as some of the teams we played against, so playing with them would have made me deadweight. That, however, did not stop us from going toe to toe with some of them. I've made it a point to ask people for feedback, regardless of whether we win or lose. It sucks at first, because one is not used to hearing criticism, but in the end it's for the purpose of improving oneself. Yes, there were some teams that were not very gracious in victory or defeat (I read a great many "l2ps"), but it's just the nature of these games (the L2 community is way worse than the GW community).
As far as the OP goes, rank to me means experience. It is something I would like to attain, not because it would mean I'm good, but because it would show to others that I am no longer a complete newbie to this thing called heroes ascent.
So, as soon as I unlocked Heroes Ascent, last Thursday, I went there. While no group would take me, I did get some random invites. One of those happened to be a predominantly guild team and earned my first 10 fame with them.
Later, I joined a team that gave me a searing flames skillbar, and earned no fame with them. The person that formed the team refused to call, and it was a mess. The following day, I took those searing flames skillbars and formed my own team. While I am obviously inexperienced at this game, it became evident to me that the build was strong, since we managed to get about 6 fame.
Anyways, I think people complain to much. I know that I am nowhere near as experienced or as skilled as some of the teams we played against, so playing with them would have made me deadweight. That, however, did not stop us from going toe to toe with some of them. I've made it a point to ask people for feedback, regardless of whether we win or lose. It sucks at first, because one is not used to hearing criticism, but in the end it's for the purpose of improving oneself. Yes, there were some teams that were not very gracious in victory or defeat (I read a great many "l2ps"), but it's just the nature of these games (the L2 community is way worse than the GW community).
As far as the OP goes, rank to me means experience. It is something I would like to attain, not because it would mean I'm good, but because it would show to others that I am no longer a complete newbie to this thing called heroes ascent.
CyberMesh0
Zero, zip, zilch and a whole lotta nada. 0 Fame I have, and 0 Fame I intend to retire with.
Masseur
people flash rank in a town and we say "Watch out for the glowing noob!" So basically not many in the game care about rank except the some of the minority of players in the game that PvP.
Scarlett W
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people flash rank in a town and we say "Watch out for the glowing noob!" So basically not many in the game care about rank except the some of the minority of players in the game that PvP.
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Flex1
Depends. I think its cool when you see those Max rank for Norn, Asura, Vanguard or Dwarf title guys running around but aside from that I dont feel they are superior to me in any way.
Taurucis
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Originally Posted by Masseur
people flash rank in a town and we say "Watch out for the glowing noob!" So basically not many in the game care about rank except the some of the minority of players in the game that PvP.
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A11Eur0
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I've been playing this game for less than a month, but have played enough to know that people who say that are usually jealous of the "glowing noob." Sort of like in real life people are bitter at the guy with the good job and pretty girlfriend.
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3 years, 0 fame, will stay that way. Just got my 3rd glad point today, maybe I'll try low level PvP more often but I'll never get a rank I bet, because I just don't care that much for PvP.
You'll probably come back saying I don't like it because I'm bad at it...well I don't like it so I don't do it, so I'm bad at it. There's a relationship there, cause and effect, but opposite of what you're going to come back at me with.
Stop saying someone who is in a PvE outpost talking smack on some PvP tard running around /ranking everyone is jealous. I know rank 9's who don't /rank people, and who talk smack on those who run around flashing tigers and bambi, not because they're a lower rank, but because they're /ranking in a fkn PvE outpost with a PvP title. Are they jealous? No. PvP /rankers in PvE outposts are idiots.
around
I've never seen a /ranker in a PvE outpost ever.
You're just beating yourself up over imaginary demons.
You're just beating yourself up over imaginary demons.
Nemo the Capitalist
i havent haed in a long time im a lil scared
Taurucis
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I've never seen a /ranker in a PvE outpost ever.
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The Pigmail wammo had a wolf.
You'll find quite a few of them in places like ToA or DoA.
A11Eur0
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I've never seen a /ranker in a PvE outpost ever.
You're just beating yourself up over imaginary demons. |
Scarlett W
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I've been playing for over 3 years and I know that the "jealous" response to someone saying they don't care is just a defense mechanism for little kids who show off and meet someone who genuinely don't fkn care.
You'll probably come back saying I don't like it because I'm bad at it...well I don't like it so I don't do it, so I'm bad at it. There's a relationship there, cause and effect, but opposite of what you're going to come back at me with. Stop saying someone who is in a PvE outpost talking smack on some PvP tard running around /ranking everyone is jealous. I know rank 9's who don't /rank people, and who talk smack on those who run around flashing tigers and bambi, not because they're a lower rank, but because they're /ranking in a fkn PvE outpost with a PvP title. Are they jealous? No. PvP /rankers in PvE outposts are idiots. |
A11Eur0
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A calm, normal person would just ignore said people. On the other hand, people who get so worked up about someone else flashing a fancy emote in a videogame are either jealous of said "tards," or projecting their own persoanl issues on someone. In either case, I don't see how that makes the person degrading the pvpers any less of a "tard."
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And who said we're getting "worked up"? We're not yelling at the dude in caps saying "WTF NOOB TAKE UR PVP TITLE TO RA NUB NOBUDY CARES!!!" The most I really do is "rofl...must feel great to flash pvp rank at a PvE player."
Give me a break.
Sai Rith
Tbh, it usually does determine skill. When I go to HA and a player has a Tyrain Explorer (or some nub PvE title) on, and no Rank I still accept him, because they rbing up the Rank doesn't=skill statement. EVERYTIME they suck. However, I have played with R9's who sucked jsut as bad. So IMO, I can honestly say I am 50/50 on this. Most unranked players I've come across are bad, but some high ranked players are as well. However, when I come go to other forms of PvP and someone on my team flashes an HA emote, I feel somewhat better and have more confidence.
The thing is, I would like to help lower Ranks, even if they are bad, but I dislike HA now. I can't even help myself to get into HA anymroe, I used to love it, and can't stand just being in the district. Oh well, working on Champ Title anyway, that's what matters
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The thing is, I would like to help lower Ranks, even if they are bad, but I dislike HA now. I can't even help myself to get into HA anymroe, I used to love it, and can't stand just being in the district. Oh well, working on Champ Title anyway, that's what matters
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Zahr Dalsk
The Hero and Zaishen ranks are noticeable and irritating; far too flashy. I wouldn't mind it if there was an option to toggle the visual display of them off.
People who flash rank emotes are like the Wammos who run around doing /drum on female characters, only worse.
People who flash rank emotes are like the Wammos who run around doing /drum on female characters, only worse.
Spazzer
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Tbh, it usually does determine skill. When I go to HA and a player has a Tyrain Explorer (or some nub PvE title) on, and no Rank I still accept him, because they rbing up the Rank doesn't=skill statement. EVERYTIME they suck. However, I have played with R9's who sucked jsut as bad. So IMO, I can honestly say I am 50/50 on this. Most unranked players I've come across are bad, but some high ranked players are as well. However, when I come go to other forms of PvP and someone on my team flashes an HA emote, I feel somewhat better and have more confidence.
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Sai Rith
I'm actually only here to test my avatar since I resized it now. Anyway, HA is dead IMO. I haven't HAed since it was 6v6, and yeah that was a pretty long time ago.
Dr Strangelove
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If someone is enough of a moron to flash a PvP rank at someone in a PvE outpost they deserve to be chastised. It doesn't mean at all that the people chastising are jealous. I chastise because it's something to do, to break up the monotony. Obviously, I'm not jealous. Why should I be jealous of something achieved by means which I choose not to participate in?
And who said we're getting "worked up"? We're not yelling at the dude in caps saying "WTF NOOB TAKE UR PVP TITLE TO RA NUB NOBUDY CARES!!!" The most I really do is "rofl...must feel great to flash pvp rank at a PvE player." Give me a break. |
If I get bored in a PvE outpost and want to entertain myself, I'm damn well going to play around with my wolf. It has no more to do with you than my choice of armor does. If it somehow bothers you, I'm not going to shove it in your face and bother you with it. By the same token, I suggest you stop shoving your inferiority complex on those around you.