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Originally Posted by Thizzle
A player with no rank can do the exact same thing as a r8+.
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Does rank mean anything to you?
Free Sigils
Artisan Archer
To me rank(spamming) means that you're proberly a jerk and that I don't want to meet you.
Kusandaa
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Originally Posted by Thizzle
A player with no rank can do the exact same thing as a r8+.
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I feel like the average GW player doesn't have any patience, but it shows much more in PvP - rank doesn't matter for that part. Unranked, R3, R9... everyone's impatient. They want to winwinwinwinwinwin, moar fame pl0x NAOW. They don't give you the time to learn, I think they're forgetting they were once new. They want you to be good right away.
It shouldn't take up to R9 to know how to play decently. I'm "unranked" myself (44 fame) but give me a few matches to learn my position, don't switch me around and I'll improve rather fast (or so I was told).
So yes, I believe some unranked or low-ranked players can do the same thing as a higher-ranked guy, if they're running the same build.
However, considering the average GW player... can't say as much.
My friend who raged at me 'cause I couldn't play an ele very well in ONE match KNOWS that I barely play ele anyways, and that I had trained WITH HIM to play a MELEE position (we were both warriors, but in the end he wanted to be the only melee so he sent me as an ele, and raged at us when we failed). If he had let me as a warrior I wouldn't have done so horribly, but with him there's no discussions (and that's the last time I've played with him...).
It's that kinda attitude I see everywhere in GW, and one of the reasons I don't PvP. I tried friends, results are there... to hell with PUGs.
English Warrior
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Originally Posted by pigdestroyer
hint: ranked people mostly play with their friends, guildies etc. If you are ranked but don't know anyone you'll end up in groups almost as bad as unranked pugs.
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Sai Rith
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Originally Posted by Kusandaa
IMO it depends of the player himself.
I feel like the average GW player doesn't have any patience, but it shows much more in PvP - rank doesn't matter for that part. Unranked, R3, R9... everyone's impatient. They want to winwinwinwinwinwin, moar fame pl0x NAOW. They don't give you the time to learn, I think they're forgetting they were once new. They want you to be good right away. It shouldn't take up to R9 to know how to play decently. I'm "unranked" myself (44 fame) but give me a few matches to learn my position, don't switch me around and I'll improve rather fast (or so I was told). So yes, I believe some unranked or low-ranked players can do the same thing as a higher-ranked guy, if they're running the same build. However, considering the average GW player... can't say as much. My friend who raged at me 'cause I couldn't play an ele very well in ONE match KNOWS that I barely play ele anyways, and that I had trained WITH HIM to play a MELEE position (we were both warriors, but in the end he wanted to be the only melee so he sent me as an ele, and raged at us when we failed). If he had let me as a warrior I wouldn't have done so horribly, but with him there's no discussions (and that's the last time I've played with him...). It's that kinda attitude I see everywhere in GW, and one of the reasons I don't PvP. I tried friends, results are there... to hell with PUGs. |
English Warrior
basically the way to win in pvp is good guild not good rank (in most cases anyway).
Orange Milk
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Originally Posted by Sai Rith I somewhat agree with this. But put yourself in the shoes of someone starting a SWAY group. Would you take an R8 SWAYer over an unranked SWAYer? |
I say rank means nothing when R8+ peoples run SWAY, one would think that by the time you have enough fame to be R8 you would have some kind of skill. But being stuck to a gimmick build at that Rank shows me that that person has no skill and their rank means nothing.
Thizzle
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Originally Posted by Orange Milk
You missed my point there.
I say rank means nothing when R8+ peoples run SWAY, one would think that by the time you have enough fame to be R8 you would have some kind of skill. But being stuck to a gimmick build at that Rank shows me that that person has no skill and their rank means nothing. |
English Warrior
basically when people say r8+ sway they mean: people who run stupid builds to r8 or over.
Celeste Aura
I've been in HA for a month or two and noticed that a lot of unranked hate the rank system until they have a rank. Then they're completely fine with it. Just earn fame and have fun, that's pretty much the point.
Why not try organising(sp?) groups yourself. And honestly an rway(random) isn't /that/ bad either. Try an rway group (sure you'll most likely lose) and after the battle start putting more strategy into it. Some people might leave (good or not), get some more and try again. Keep at it until you know that you've figured out how HA works and how unranked people are. They're not all bad. Then try joining ranked groups. It takes time, but it's worth it.
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Try grouping with guild members. If you're good friends with everyone in guild, chances are you can make a group regardless of rank. The higher ranked members can even help you.
[again, this made sense in my head.]
Why not try organising(sp?) groups yourself. And honestly an rway(random) isn't /that/ bad either. Try an rway group (sure you'll most likely lose) and after the battle start putting more strategy into it. Some people might leave (good or not), get some more and try again. Keep at it until you know that you've figured out how HA works and how unranked people are. They're not all bad. Then try joining ranked groups. It takes time, but it's worth it.
[This made sense in my head
Try grouping with guild members. If you're good friends with everyone in guild, chances are you can make a group regardless of rank. The higher ranked members can even help you.
[again, this made sense in my head.]
Bulletdodger
Rank means a lot in my opinion. When I see a rank 10 I see a experienced player , a good and dedicated player . maybe he is not very friendly. Even if he earned most of his fame with gimicky builds , well , HE EARNED that fame.
Rank shows dedication and experience , and in 99% it also shows skill.
Rank shows dedication and experience , and in 99% it also shows skill.
English Warrior
/disagree in some cases with the post above because it doesnt show 99% of skill as the argument that is here now about sway it requires no skill to trap or attack if he got r10 by using that or any other fame farming build he isnt that skillful if you get r10 using balanced or such builds you will be skillful its the build you ran to get the rank what makes that players rank good or bad.
TurinPT
I am convinced that anyone with a rank over 6, does not have a soul.
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Here's my breakdown of the main Ranks for PvP
Hero: Low The games been out for 3 years, even the lowest of the low could have grinded out a tiger by now.
Champion: Medium High Anything above r1 I consider admirable. At this stage in the game if someone is r7+ it's safe to assume they're pretty good.
Gladiator: Low Rhanoct has r5 (I kid, but the zaishen farm killed it for me - and grinding RA is pretty easy)
Zaishen: Dirt Low High ranks have pretty emotes, but they don't mean anything to me
Hero: Low The games been out for 3 years, even the lowest of the low could have grinded out a tiger by now.
Champion: Medium High Anything above r1 I consider admirable. At this stage in the game if someone is r7+ it's safe to assume they're pretty good.
Gladiator: Low Rhanoct has r5 (I kid, but the zaishen farm killed it for me - and grinding RA is pretty easy)
Zaishen: Dirt Low High ranks have pretty emotes, but they don't mean anything to me
Cale Roughstar
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Originally Posted by TurinPT
I am convinced than anyone with a rank over 6, does not have a soul.
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It takes a hell of a lot longer to get GWAMM than r6.
TurinPT
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Originally Posted by Cale Roughstar
It takes a hell of a lot longer to get GWAMM than r6.
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Originally Posted by TurinPT
I was referring to the superiority complex and overall rudeness it comes with having a high rank.
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I think people are trapped in a self-inforcing circle of
'omg all r6+ are mean'
'No they're not, you should XYZ if you want rank
'no ur mean'
and this means such stereotypes are conserved and strengthened.
Ate of DK
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Originally Posted by Kusandaa
I feel like the average GW player doesn't have any patience, but it shows much more in PvP - rank doesn't matter for that part. Unranked, R3, R9... everyone's impatient. They want to winwinwinwinwinwin, moar fame pl0x NAOW. They don't give you the time to learn, I think they're forgetting they were once new. They want you to be good right away.
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*Ignoring the fact that you can unlock everything in PvE. Most people will take the R6.
moko
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you start out new, have the same problem as everyone else, work the way up by yourself without help from others. so you're somewhere "at the top".
do you REALLY think you would HELP people now? like, daily? randoms? people you don't even know AT ALL? afterall, nobody helped you either.
i mean, once you're at the top, you WANT SOMETHING OUT OF IT...don't you?
of course, being completely ignorant towards new players is wrong..but there are quite many that give new players a chance. but you know what happens? low ranked players don't listen, don't appreciate. they screw it over, ok, but what's worse, they don't want to fix it. so in the end, you just give up.
it's not hard getting better by yourself, there's even PLENTY of people that would help you out if you got questions, but surely nobody is going to babysit all your fame in HA. i'm sure you got other friends with the same problem..stick together, get better, and get up yourself? a group of 6~ and 2 to lead you guys, not a hard deal. just both sides have to cooperate, and currently neither side does.
new players are impatient too. :P
Sai Rith
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I am convinced that anyone with a rank over 6, does not have a soul.
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Frank Dudenstein
Lol another ridiculous rank discrimination thread. This is SOOOOOO easy to figure out.
The Two Golden Rules of Rank Discrimination
1) When you pick up an unknown PuG ... the higher their rank ... the greater the probablility that the person is competent. Sure there are exceptions, but when dealing with unknowns ... you have to go with the percentages.
2) Losing sucks.
Sure, you might not mind losing alot when playing with friends and learning together .. training new guildees ... etc. But when playing with complete strangers? Why would I want to lose?
The Two Golden Rules of Rank Discrimination
1) When you pick up an unknown PuG ... the higher their rank ... the greater the probablility that the person is competent. Sure there are exceptions, but when dealing with unknowns ... you have to go with the percentages.
2) Losing sucks.
Sure, you might not mind losing alot when playing with friends and learning together .. training new guildees ... etc. But when playing with complete strangers? Why would I want to lose?
Alleji
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Originally Posted by Angelina Collins
rank doesn't mean sh*t, I am a r2 and have more experience then most r12's...
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Quite funny, though.
Frank Dudenstein
I think I have finally figured it out
Most people think they are good because they don't understand what GOOD at this game really is. Though they *think* they are good ... they don't 'get' how good the top players are.
***
- Why was Last Pride so good? Their training sessions were 8 hours per day 6-7 days per week .. and not 8 hours of GvG per day .. but 8 hours of practice. GvGs mixed with scrimmages, training sessions on specific tactics, strategy, etc. They didn't play GW, they trained. Oh, and btw, most of the other top guilds at the time worked just as hard. Many of those players are still around today.
- Why were IQs gale-locks so devastating? Try hours and hours of guild scrimmages with multiple warriors and rangers practicing precise timing of gales, cripples, and adeanaline bursts to completely disable and obliterate an opponent. They result was awesome and owned the competition.
- How can top rangers get 3/4 spells so consistently? They sat in guild scrimmages interrupting 1000 in a row .. while a thier teammate practiced fake casting and moving to NOT get interrupted. The result? Two pros...
- How can top mesmers see a casting animation across the battlefield, click the target, and still hit the interrupt in time? Try months of practice on that single tactic. Over and Over and Over.
- How can the top monks weapon swap on every single cast? Weeks of individual practice training their fingers to make weapon swapping while casing an 'automatic' reflex.
Etc, etc, etc.
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So when the r2 says he's better than the r12 ... and the r9 swayer thinks he is a top player ... remember that they ARE good .. compared to their PvE brethren. They just don't know what 'truly' good means... (Hint: there is a reason the same players win HoH and GvG tourneys day after day after day ... it's not luck...)
(Disclaimer: note that I'm not suggesting I am good ... I have 12000 fame and 5000+ hours of mostly leading pvp grps ... however I am at best slightly above average .. acknowledging your place is the first step in understanding...)
Most people think they are good because they don't understand what GOOD at this game really is. Though they *think* they are good ... they don't 'get' how good the top players are.
***
- Why was Last Pride so good? Their training sessions were 8 hours per day 6-7 days per week .. and not 8 hours of GvG per day .. but 8 hours of practice. GvGs mixed with scrimmages, training sessions on specific tactics, strategy, etc. They didn't play GW, they trained. Oh, and btw, most of the other top guilds at the time worked just as hard. Many of those players are still around today.
- Why were IQs gale-locks so devastating? Try hours and hours of guild scrimmages with multiple warriors and rangers practicing precise timing of gales, cripples, and adeanaline bursts to completely disable and obliterate an opponent. They result was awesome and owned the competition.
- How can top rangers get 3/4 spells so consistently? They sat in guild scrimmages interrupting 1000 in a row .. while a thier teammate practiced fake casting and moving to NOT get interrupted. The result? Two pros...
- How can top mesmers see a casting animation across the battlefield, click the target, and still hit the interrupt in time? Try months of practice on that single tactic. Over and Over and Over.
- How can the top monks weapon swap on every single cast? Weeks of individual practice training their fingers to make weapon swapping while casing an 'automatic' reflex.
Etc, etc, etc.
***
So when the r2 says he's better than the r12 ... and the r9 swayer thinks he is a top player ... remember that they ARE good .. compared to their PvE brethren. They just don't know what 'truly' good means... (Hint: there is a reason the same players win HoH and GvG tourneys day after day after day ... it's not luck...)
(Disclaimer: note that I'm not suggesting I am good ... I have 12000 fame and 5000+ hours of mostly leading pvp grps ... however I am at best slightly above average .. acknowledging your place is the first step in understanding...)
Snow Bunny
Haven't any of you ever played flag-football, or baseball, or some sport where it involves teams? Haven't you ever participated in one of those systems where there are two team captains who select players from the group 1 at a time?
Apply the same here.
That system works.
Apply the same here.
That system works.
MMSDome
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
Haven't any of you ever played flag-football, or baseball, or some sport where it involves teams? Haven't you ever participated in one of those systems where there are two team captains who select players from the group 1 at a time?
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Tamuril elansar
most rankless HA people have absolutly no clue, so i dont bother with them.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Frank Dudenstein
I think I have finally figured it out
Most people think they are good because they don't understand what GOOD at this game really is. Though they *think* they are good ... they don't 'get' how good the top players are. *** - Why was Last Pride so good? Their training sessions were 8 hours per day 6-7 days per week .. and not 8 hours of GvG per day .. but 8 hours of practice. GvGs mixed with scrimmages, training sessions on specific tactics, strategy, etc. They didn't play GW, they trained. Oh, and btw, most of the other top guilds at the time worked just as hard. Many of those players are still around today. - Why were IQs gale-locks so devastating? Try hours and hours of guild scrimmages with multiple warriors and rangers practicing precise timing of gales, cripples, and adeanaline bursts to completely disable and obliterate an opponent. They result was awesome and owned the competition. - How can top rangers get 3/4 spells so consistently? They sat in guild scrimmages interrupting 1000 in a row .. while a thier teammate practiced fake casting and moving to NOT get interrupted. The result? Two pros... - How can top mesmers see a casting animation across the battlefield, click the target, and still hit the interrupt in time? Try months of practice on that single tactic. Over and Over and Over. - How can the top monks weapon swap on every single cast? Weeks of individual practice training their fingers to make weapon swapping while casing an 'automatic' reflex. Etc, etc, etc. *** So when the r2 says he's better than the r12 ... and the r9 swayer thinks he is a top player ... remember that they ARE good .. compared to their PvE brethren. They just don't know what 'truly' good means... (Hint: there is a reason the same players win HoH and GvG tourneys day after day after day ... it's not luck...) (Disclaimer: note that I'm not suggesting I am good ... I have 12000 fame and 5000+ hours of mostly leading pvp grps ... however I am at best slightly above average .. acknowledging your place is the first step in understanding...) |
Ctb
It means I get to watch a bunch of pimply nerds argue angrily with one another over a stupid video game animation and how massively cool it makes them to.... wait.. no, never mind.... nobody worth a dime cares about it.
Where's my popcorn?
More seriously, no, who cares? I don't even PvP, and if I did PvP, I wouldn't PvP anyway since I haven't got hours of time every day that I'm willing to spend in front of a single video game. HA and GvG are full of nerds who only care about video games. That's just how it is. If that makes HA and GvG not entertaining to you, then you don't like HA and GvG, so don't play.
I haven't even got the patience anymore to properly insult people who /rank each other...
Where's my popcorn?
More seriously, no, who cares? I don't even PvP, and if I did PvP, I wouldn't PvP anyway since I haven't got hours of time every day that I'm willing to spend in front of a single video game. HA and GvG are full of nerds who only care about video games. That's just how it is. If that makes HA and GvG not entertaining to you, then you don't like HA and GvG, so don't play.
I haven't even got the patience anymore to properly insult people who /rank each other...
infymys
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Originally Posted by Killed u man
Today, I saw a R12 guy (Most people know him, and also know he got 99% of his fame playing Expell Rit in sway) play Rit-b!tch for a lego-ish way.
He was alone vs another rit (from a sway) in a base on cap points. The rit from the sway (prolly unranked) takes out his wand, and wands the R12 guy to death. The R12 guy franticly tried to "spear" the Expell Rit. He simply didn't have a wand. (Not even for WoW or anything). (HE also just stood still, and got owned by A-rage every time). |
Back on topic... as most people have said, rank doesn't necessarily equate to skill but to experience. If I'm pugging, I would rather have someone who at least knows all the maps and the various objectives than someone who's only seen the first 3 maps and have no idea what to do on a relic run or King of the Hill. Having that said, I play primarily with guildmates, alliance and friends who range from r6 to r12 because we know each others' strengths and weaknesses and therefore know what positions they are best suited at.
A11Eur0
8 hours a day practice, every day of the week? Man, I'd love to have no responsibilities in life to speak of. They should put that effort into real world activities, they'd probably make something of themselves, instead of having an internet sprite with their title ready to go by the wayside when that person enters the real world with no real skills to speak of.
I can admire the dedication...but that kid's parents need to be slapped for allowing that amount of wasted time.
I can admire the dedication...but that kid's parents need to be slapped for allowing that amount of wasted time.
Free Sigils
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8 hours a day practice, every day of the week? Man, I'd love to have no responsibilities in life to speak of. They should put that effort into real world activities, they'd probably make something of themselves, instead of having an internet sprite with their title ready to go by the wayside when that person enters the real world with no real skills to speak of.
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A11Eur0
that's $6250 per person, plus the trips. For full time plus overtime hours. Probably over the course of months. Not worth the time spent IMO. If I worked 6 days a week I'd make $6600 a month take-home. It would go on my resume and I'd have a better chance of moving up in the field later.
Sure it was fun but it doesn't offer anything beyond that. You can't put that on your resume and seriously expect a job to come easy. Your interviewer will probably balk at it, say you're likely to skip out of work just to play video games. Good luck with that.
Full time video game players don't get anywhere in life. They may have dreams of glory, but they're pipe-dreams. Eventually they have to grow up and enter the real world, and they'll realize all that time wasted was a huge mistake.
Sure it was fun but it doesn't offer anything beyond that. You can't put that on your resume and seriously expect a job to come easy. Your interviewer will probably balk at it, say you're likely to skip out of work just to play video games. Good luck with that.
Full time video game players don't get anywhere in life. They may have dreams of glory, but they're pipe-dreams. Eventually they have to grow up and enter the real world, and they'll realize all that time wasted was a huge mistake.
Frank Dudenstein
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
that's $6250 per person, plus the trips. For full time plus overtime hours. Probably over the course of months. Not worth the time spent IMO. If I worked 6 days a week I'd make $6600 a month take-home. It would go on my resume and I'd have a better chance of moving up in the field later.
Sure it was fun but it doesn't offer anything beyond that. You can't put that on your resume and seriously expect a job to come easy. Your interviewer will probably balk at it, say you're likely to skip out of work just to play video games. Good luck with that. Full time video game players don't get anywhere in life. They may have dreams of glory, but they're pipe-dreams. Eventually they have to grow up and enter the real world, and they'll realize all that time wasted was a huge mistake. |
As far as the rest of the top guilds .. all I have to say is that thousands and thousands of kids spend obscene hours per week playing WoW or some other game .. or golf, or basketball, or collecting stamps, or whatever. Don't judge because your think your hobby is 'superior'.
But that's totally not the point. The point of this thread is that people think that going through PvE and doing a little RA makes them "just as good" as the top players ... my point is they have ZERO idea what a top player is.
A11Eur0
8 hours a day 7 days a week isn't a hobby. It's a full-time job. My JOB is superior...i'm not saying my HOBBY is. Might want to get that straight.
And I laugh when people emulate these "top players"...play your own game man.
And I laugh when people emulate these "top players"...play your own game man.
Ate of DK
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And I laugh when people emulate these "top players"...play your own game man.
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I have enough fame in the game that other players would call: "A top HA player".
Earned all of it myself with all kinds of builds but mainly backline in a balanced build over the past 35 months. But...
when I watch top GvG's (The guilds that everyone knows for years) I watch closely and are entertained how well these people play. I KNOW that my Guild will never win against those people at our current state because we're simply outclassed in skill.
Maybe we can get better but it would remove the fun away and cause more stress. Other players are just better with less practise.
For the last I have a very simple example: Me and 2 friends play Halo 3 on XBOX360 now and then. I don't have an XBOX but created an account to play ranked with them on splitscreen. My rank increased beyond theirs with less matches and less time spend.
- Accepting that you can always be beaten is good.
- Understanding why you lost makes you a better player.
Some people can't handle both of these and need to point that out with flaming and posing.
Edit: But in the end, the most important is to realise that it's all a game!
Snow Bunny
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Full time video game players don't get anywhere in life. They may have dreams of glory, but they're pipe-dreams. Eventually they have to grow up and enter the real world, and they'll realize all that time wasted was a huge mistake.
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kostolomac
This thread went from discussing the meaning of rank to each player individually , to a thread where it is argued whether rank means skill , time , experience and whatnot. Then it went from HA to GvG , apples and oranges. Thread derailing is awesome.
About the rank thing: HA rank shows more experience than skill , but with experience some sort of skill must be there , that's why people go with players with equal or higher rank in a pug. People do not want to gamble with their time by playing with some random guy , rank at least shows that the said person at least knows something.
About GvG : the best are meant to be rewarded , like in any competitive game (Halo , CS and the like). Comparing it to HA rank is just naive.
About the rank thing: HA rank shows more experience than skill , but with experience some sort of skill must be there , that's why people go with players with equal or higher rank in a pug. People do not want to gamble with their time by playing with some random guy , rank at least shows that the said person at least knows something.
About GvG : the best are meant to be rewarded , like in any competitive game (Halo , CS and the like). Comparing it to HA rank is just naive.
A11Eur0
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
Ogre1 (Halo player) earning $250,000 over 3 years, plus $20,000 for 1st place in tournaments, plus $100,000 for first place for a season, would seriously debate your above statement.
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Bulletdodger
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Full time video game players don't get anywhere in life. They may have dreams of glory, but they're pipe-dreams. Eventually they have to grow up and enter the real world, and they'll realize all that time wasted was a huge mistake.
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The greatest people in history were dreamers who were seen as dumb people who waste their life.
To bad I don't have that much ambition ( or a HA rank
Mars Dragonblade
I would LOVE to do HA more often, a mate of mine and I have been pressing a couple of guildies to try it as well for a change. Reason is simple: HA = more balthazar faction = more Zaishen Keys = more ecto's/gold for me for my FoW. The unfortunate thing is the elitism that seems to become the mentality of people higher up the rank food chain. A rank to me is nothing more than a couple of words underneath your name with a number next to it so to answer your original question, no, rank means nothing to me. Therefore, the only ones I invest in are the sunspear and kurzick titles for their PvE skill benefits.