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Originally Posted by Sai Rith
Actually, I think Charr have PB on HM.
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Update 21st August 08
Smurf Minions
Kusandaa
But still, it's totally unusable in PvP. They still went from one extreme to the other and I find it annoying, personally. They could've increased the cast time, the recharge or lowered damage, make it easily interruptible or something. But that's me really.
sixofone
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Originally Posted by Kusandaa
But still, it's totally unusable in PvP. They still went from one extreme to the other and I find it annoying, personally. They could've increased the cast time, the recharge or lowered damage, make it easily interruptible or something. But that's me really.
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Zahr Dalsk
I kind of wonder why he didn't just make it locked in PvP; in the current state it pretty much has the same effect.
lordheinous
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
I kind of wonder why he didn't just make it locked in PvP; in the current state it pretty much has the same effect.
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Arkantos
Izzy sure knows how to kill skills he doesn't like.
Oh well, can't say I'm going to miss smiting monks in OP gimmick builds.
Oh well, can't say I'm going to miss smiting monks in OP gimmick builds.
Trub
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Originally Posted by lordheinous
Well, at least this way you can go to RA and laugh at the people who don't read skill updates or even check their skill bars (and hope they're not on your team lol).
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hehehehe
omg..load screen..LOAD TA!!!!
lutz
Seriously, nobody is complaining that Smiter's Boon got nerfed. It promoted degenerative unskilled play. It's good it's not around anymore.
sindex
I think they need some better testers for these skills before they stick this into the game. I mean some of these skill/features would never see overly ridiculous nerf’s if they actually tested that particular skill/feature before the entire game came out. I mean when they thought of the skill “smiter’s boon,” to help the “smiter” line become more popular, could they collaborate on the coming problems of that particular skill. Instead of beating it to death with an overzealous nerf a year latter, knowing it was terrible idea in the first place. Instead of wasting everyone’s time. It’s like some delayed reaction from the skill balancers and R&D down there at A-net.
I worry about GW 2 dealing with this problem more and more as it comes closer to its release. Especially now to see the people at A-net can’t figure these problems still until the last minute. That’s what gets on my nerves the most, not having common sense about a future issue.
I worry about GW 2 dealing with this problem more and more as it comes closer to its release. Especially now to see the people at A-net can’t figure these problems still until the last minute. That’s what gets on my nerves the most, not having common sense about a future issue.
Taurucis
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Hey, at least you can open a door with Knock... what can you do with the new Smiter's Boon?
Anyone?
*crickets*
Orange Milk
Agreed I shall be returning to TA with TripSmite/RaOinteruptway gone.
And face mass amounts of ShoveSpike teams
And face mass amounts of ShoveSpike teams
RedNova88
Silly. People forgot how to GvG and PvP in general a long time ago. Now it's just a rush to find the next gimmick build until it's nerfed, then repeat unto eternity.
blackknight1337
ok not sure if this has been said before already, as i only looked through 4 or so pages.
but i believe this is the longest recharge 25e spell in the game now, more than meteor shower. you would think for 25e and every 90 sec, it would be a "kill button" or something. but no, it makes your smite skills heal for 75-80 instead of 35-40 for 5 seconds. LOL. Just delete the skill from the game, or change functionality. That spell could easily be a dozen other things, yet you choose to do this and leave it. But as it is, why don't you make it so its the longest recharge in the game?
As far as disrupting lunge goes, the problem with 99% of imba ranger pet builds is RaO. Period, end of story. If you want to kill a skill on the bar, *drumroll* yeah you just killed the wrong one...anyone see a pattern here?
but i believe this is the longest recharge 25e spell in the game now, more than meteor shower. you would think for 25e and every 90 sec, it would be a "kill button" or something. but no, it makes your smite skills heal for 75-80 instead of 35-40 for 5 seconds. LOL. Just delete the skill from the game, or change functionality. That spell could easily be a dozen other things, yet you choose to do this and leave it. But as it is, why don't you make it so its the longest recharge in the game?
As far as disrupting lunge goes, the problem with 99% of imba ranger pet builds is RaO. Period, end of story. If you want to kill a skill on the bar, *drumroll* yeah you just killed the wrong one...anyone see a pattern here?
Lishy
Great. I love the disrupting lunge update.
MORE JUICE FOR ENRAGED LUNGE!
MORE JUICE FOR ENRAGED LUNGE!
Tearz1993
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Originally Posted by blackknight1337
As far as disrupting lunge goes, the problem with 99% of imba ranger pet builds is RaO. Period, end of story. If you want to kill a skill on the bar, *drumroll* yeah you just killed the wrong one...anyone see a pattern here?
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Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by Kain Fz
ENRAGED LUNGE
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Diddy bow
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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk
I'm glad it hasn't been touched, works so well for RA farming
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therangereminem
looking at smiters boon now after update came up 5 min ago smiters boon stillis the same
therangereminem
ok the smiters boon change is pvp only
Dr.Jones
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Originally Posted by Update - 21 August 2008
• Updated the AI for Heroes and henchmen to fix an issue that caused them to occasionally become confused and run in circles.
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TurinPT
yay new update
Goodbye smiter's boon, was nice knowing you ;_;
Nude Nira
RIP Smiters Boon...
WHAT THE RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO?!?!!?!?!
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WHAT THE RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO?!?!!?!?!
Tearz1993
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Originally Posted by Magikarp
i just dont understand.. i mean.. correct me if im wrong.. isnt it his job to maintain somewhat acceptable balance to this game? why is he always so "busy" with things that dont involve gws? most people get fired if they dont do their jobs..
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Also, like echo has said in other threads, most skills are fine, but start to become overpowered when people bring 3+ copies in the same team.
Sai Rith
Should nerfed R-Spike and HWAY while he was at it.
street peddler
nuked it for the monthly. i doubt itll stay that way.
Oink The Pig
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Originally Posted by Magikarp
why is he always so "busy" with things that dont involve gws?
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As others have said, it's probably temporary until a better solution can be hammered out, but at least it shows that Izzy and Co. are aware of the problem and are willing to do something in light of the double fame this weekend and the mAT the following weekend.
UnChosen
From barely usable to begin with to absolutely useless....this is hilarious.
-Makai-
So how's the AI now? I'd check it myself, but I'm working overtime at the moment...
nidy
And it is done. For the first time in GW, a skill was deliberately made useless.
MercenaryKnight
I wonder what was so horrible about disrupting lunge for pve lol. Pretty much had no use since noone really brings pets (except for enemies). It's weird nerfs/ changes like that in pve which always makes me wonder what they are thinking, unless they were just too lazy to give it a pvp version.
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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight
I wonder what was so horrible about disrupting lunge for pve lol. Pretty much had no use since noone really brings pets (except for enemies). It's weird nerfs/ changes like that in pve which always makes me wonder what they are thinking, unless they were just too lazy to give it a pvp version.
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zeal101
smiters boon...lol what?
Lycan Nibbler
I have to say that considering there is "usually" a weekly update, why things such as Smiters Boon could not be nerfed in steps until a balance is found over the course of say a month seems a reasonable method.
I know izzy has limited time available to him, but changing the recharge to 30 secs, 60 secs then 90 secs if required wouldnt take that much time considering the programmer had done the changes the week before so knew exactly what and where to change?
Im guessing the disrupt lunge is also aimed at the R/Ps out and about too...
I know izzy has limited time available to him, but changing the recharge to 30 secs, 60 secs then 90 secs if required wouldnt take that much time considering the programmer had done the changes the week before so knew exactly what and where to change?
Im guessing the disrupt lunge is also aimed at the R/Ps out and about too...
lyra_song
Maybe RAO should gain only half adrenaline.
UnChosen
Smiter's boon wasn't any thing special to begin with....all the single target smite spells have longer recharge than their healing/prot versions, AND they all have some conditions attached. The doubled heal only max out at around 85 which isn't much.
DokkyDok
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Originally Posted by C. Seer
• Updated the AI for Heroes and henchmen to fix an issue that caused them to occasionally become confused and run in circles.
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carbajac
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first? are you new?
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But yeah, the Smiter's Boon nerf was definitely extreme, not balanced, just blasted.
As for the hero updates, I want to see the extent, 'cause just recently I was trying to cap Xinrae's Weapon and the heroes were all about attacking enemies that were pretty far away and hanging out when the rest of the group was high-tailing it. Not the best way to make your way around outside of Abaddon's Gate.
Snow Bunny
Let me put this out to you all, because it's quite apparent that a lot of you don't understand the nerf.
If any of you have been GvGing at all recently, you would have come into contact with this skill and hate it dearly.
With the build it was in, it allowed for 4 monks to smite off damage from RaO axe rangers spamming deep wound and interrupts, normally inevitably eating up small prots and interrupting key skills.
You couldn't use condition pressure or conditions at all; the monks would smite it off for a lot of damage (80+). You couldn't overload them with hexes; the same would happen.
All the while, your midline, so responsible for opening the way for damage on the opposite team, was useless. If your warrior opened up with attacks, he'd frenzy and have Reversal of Damage and god-knows-what-else smite skills blow him up.
It was terrible and boring to play against.
So to all of you saying that this nerf was unnecessary, no u.
If any of you have been GvGing at all recently, you would have come into contact with this skill and hate it dearly.
With the build it was in, it allowed for 4 monks to smite off damage from RaO axe rangers spamming deep wound and interrupts, normally inevitably eating up small prots and interrupting key skills.
You couldn't use condition pressure or conditions at all; the monks would smite it off for a lot of damage (80+). You couldn't overload them with hexes; the same would happen.
All the while, your midline, so responsible for opening the way for damage on the opposite team, was useless. If your warrior opened up with attacks, he'd frenzy and have Reversal of Damage and god-knows-what-else smite skills blow him up.
It was terrible and boring to play against.
So to all of you saying that this nerf was unnecessary, no u.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by UnChosen
Smiter's boon wasn't any thing special to begin with....all the single target smite spells have longer recharge than their healing/prot versions, AND they all have some conditions attached. The doubled heal only max out at around 85 which isn't much.
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Whatever you're smoking, it must be good stuff.
MagmaRed
There is a difference between nerfing something to create balance, and nerfing something to eliminate it. The way Smiter's Boon was nerfed, it is completely useless. I won't argue it wasn't in need of a nerf, but it could have been altered in a way that made it wtill useable, but not abuseable.
This looks like someone said, "OH CRAP, we have a skill ruining the Meta, we best nerf it!" and the response was, "OH CRAP, we don't have time to think of a good solution, just make it unusable!"
This looks like someone said, "OH CRAP, we have a skill ruining the Meta, we best nerf it!" and the response was, "OH CRAP, we don't have time to think of a good solution, just make it unusable!"