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immortius

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05 Jun 2009 at 09:12 - 161

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

There's no polishness in GW whatsoever.

Are we playing the same game (or speaking the same language)? GW is certainly polished - the interface is pretty and informative with tooltips, all the core concepts are explained in game, the game is stable with few and infrequent bugs, the net code is efficient and so forth. There a couple of things that could do with better interfaces (favor status, /bonus), but nothing essential. Perhaps the roughest edge is the handling of the vertical axis.

The again there is no such word as polishness so you could possibly mean anything, including the degree of Polish influence on the game.

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The game at its current state won't sell for **** even with Blizzard or Bioware or Valve or whatever name on it.

It certainly wouldn't sell 5 million units, am I right?

Longasc

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05 Jun 2009 at 09:55 - 162

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Originally Posted by immortius

GW is certainly polished - the interface is pretty and informative with tooltips, all the core concepts are explained in game, the game is stable with few and infrequent bugs, the net code is efficient and so forth.

I leave it to Cacheelma to explain it what he meant.

...just adding my opinion about "polish": Yes, GW has a pretty slick interface and net code. It is also very nice to look at, the art direction is really top notch.

But talk about the implementation of GOOD ideas. I am not talking about the design level and the direction the game is heading, but implementing new features. They had many ideas, many good ideas, and what happened?

They usually get implemented so flawed and bugged that baby Jesus cries.

This is where QA fails or does not exist, when everything is done in a hurry, when there is no time for "polish". Zoom out and tons of the post-Prophecies hairstyles have "holes", the eternal armor clipping issues are more visible and all that.

Mordakai

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Kyhlo

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05 Jun 2009 at 14:04 - 163

No game is perfect, nor will it ever be.

But to accuse ArenaNet QA of failing because of some clipping issues? That seems to be a petty concern. I care more about skill balance and creating decent monster AI.

Rocky Raccoon

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05 Jun 2009 at 14:14 - 164

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

No game is perfect, nor will it ever be.

But to accuse ArenaNet QA of failing because of some clipping issues? That seems to be a petty concern. I care more about skill balance and creating decent monster AI.

I agree, some people seem to look for things to complain about. The basic question should be whether the game is fun or not.

Zahr Dalsk

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05 Jun 2009 at 14:56 - 165

I'm hoping once Guild Wars 2 comes out, or has been out for a while, ArenaNet would release the source code for Guild Wars 1. Possibly the dev tools they used with it too, though that might be hoping for too much.

Cacheelma

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The Ascalon Union

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05 Jun 2009 at 17:23 - 166

...
Of course I meant "polishedness". Can't remember how many times I spell this word wrong. I wish I had some BFB club followers to defend me like Anet does... sigh...

Anyway, when I look for such quality in a game, I'd look for the convenience and ease of doing stuff in the game, along with other good qualities and some small, unnecessary stuff the developers put into the game; you have tons of this stuff in Blizzard's games.

GW has very little of these. Chat interface is primitive, at best. No sensible trade system. Primitive LFG system. Stuff are added into the game only when necessary. Bugs and many inconveniences can be found pretty much everywhere and there's no sign of them being fixed. Do I really need to go on?

You can argue all you want about how something is "not needed" in GW. But there're tons of little added extras in every single Blizzard's games as well. And those stuff is what make Blizzard's games shine.

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

No game is perfect, nor will it ever be.

But to accuse ArenaNet QA of failing because of some clipping issues? That seems to be a petty concern. I care more about skill balance and creating decent monster AI.

I agree that judging the game's quality based only on some clipping issues is not a good thing. Skill balance and decent monster AI are more important. But, you and me both know GW doesn't have THOSE either. And all these small (and big) issues do add up.

Zinger314

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05 Jun 2009 at 17:25 - 167

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

That;s a good point. I suspect (although can't prove) some of those WoW sales are actually WoW/Burning Crusade Bundle sales. But yeah, I probably shouldn't have used wikipedia as a source.

But Wikipedia is not the only source to claim that The Sims is the best selling video game of all time. My point was only that if we're using popularity as a game-ranking tool, than the The Sims is the best computer game of all time... and Nintendogs is the best video game.

That right there should kill the "popularity = best" argument.

There are plenty of reasons to argue that WoW is a great game, that it's a best-selling game is not one of them.

You're using the wrong statistic.

You should, however, be referring to the number of active, paying players instead, which is 11.5 million.

It's reasonable to conclude that WoW itself sold a lot, lot, LOT more than that, and that some players quit. The Wikipedia article you describe reflects that.

I strongly doubt 11.5 million players actively play the Sims or Nintendogs.

That is an instance where popularity is relevant.

Obrien Xp

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05 Jun 2009 at 19:46 - 168

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

You're telling me people bought Blizzard's games based on its reputation only?

Most people I know bought it because, of that reason exactly. They then get the "evercrack" syndrome. Half of my friends have recovered either through therapy (comp busting, comp filling, hating the patching etc.) Or by overcoming their addiction (getting bored, longing for gw again).

But, hey those are my friends, yours may be different.

Mordakai

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Kyhlo

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05 Jun 2009 at 19:55 - 169

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

You're using the wrong statistic.

You should, however, be referring to the number of active, paying players instead, which is 11.5 million.

It's reasonable to conclude that WoW itself sold a lot, lot, LOT more than that, and that some players quit. The Wikipedia article you describe reflects that.

I strongly doubt 11.5 million players actively play the Sims or Nintendogs.

That is an instance where popularity is relevant.

I can imagine 12+ million playing the Sims. After all, it's free.

Of course, it's impossible to know....

Ghost Omel

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05 Jun 2009 at 20:01 - 170

Adding to the above comment.... Runescape has loads of players to......Maybe even 'gasp' ,ore then WoW..after all just the Top million shown on the webiste witch are Uber players...now add all the mediocre members then add hordes and hordes of free players..i wont be surprised if it beats wow at least by 4 miliion..the probl;em is unlike Blizzard they dont advertise ttheir subscription/free population...and for a reason

HawkofStorms

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05 Jun 2009 at 21:04 - 171

That's like those people who complain about Mass Effect because of the long elevator loading screens or the occasional texture popouts that happen as you load. Ignoring the fact that the game is still massive and incredibly beautiful.

Bryant Again

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05 Jun 2009 at 21:06 - 172

I'm still a bit perplexed and slightly amazed by the Burning Crusade sales. Does this mean that most WoW players are just chilling in the earlier levels? That only a small portion of the playerbase is even seeing 70, let alone endgame content? Or is TBC purchasable through other methods not accounted for?

Either way, it's quite a surprising statistic, and really says quite a lot.

HawkofStorms

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05 Jun 2009 at 21:14 - 173

Well, as a buddy of mine who played WoW said when Burning Crusade came out, he's not going to buy it until he gets max level, which he eventually did. It's just common sense not to waste your money for something you can't use. Imagine what the sales would have been like for Factions if you had to be level 20 and ascended to access any of the content? Or you had to be max kurzick or luxon to use NF?

Bryant though, you could say the same thing about GW's population. While we on guru are used to seeing people with 10+ level 20 characters, there are still a lot of people standing around naked dancing in pre-searing who have never left.

hunter

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05 Jun 2009 at 21:17 - 174

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

In the ring of gamer-makers, Anet stands in the corner of "small companies", whereas Activision Blizzard and BioWare are in the major league. They cannot and do not want to compete with them. Their strategy (of silence) is risky as has been discussed at length in old threads, but they're very confident to make a huge splash to ensure GW2 will have a long life, without the need to spend millions on CGI (the SW MMO video was purely awesome, but it costs a lot, even for less than 4 minutes!).

Problem is, by the time GW2 hits you are gonna have games like SC2 and D3 already dominating the western and part of the asian market. You can't wait 10 years before releasing a sequel to a dead game because you will be eaten up by the competition.

And don't even believe for a second that GW2 will surpass SC2 or D3 in sales

Mordakai

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05 Jun 2009 at 21:25 - 175

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I'm still a bit perplexed and slightly amazed by the Burning Crusade sales. Does this mean that most WoW players are just chilling in the earlier levels? That only a small portion of the playerbase is even seeing 70, let alone endgame content? Or is TBC purchasable through other methods not accounted for?

Either way, it's quite a surprising statistic, and really says quite a lot.

The problem is, that Wikipedia page takes that 3.5 million number from just one month of sales.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6166937.html

I can't find the TOTAL sales of BC, but it's probably greater than 3.5 million.

Not to mention all the WoW/BC bundle packs that have been sold (I bought mine for $35 on sale last Christmas - couldn't resist the price.)

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Originally Posted by hunter

Problem is, by the time GW2 hits you are gonna have games like SC2 and D3 already dominating the western and part of the asian market. You can't wait 10 years before releasing a sequel to a dead game because you will be eaten up by the competition.

And don't even believe for a second that GW2 will surpass SC2 or D3 in sales

Ugh, I'm so sick of this argument. How many games do you buy in a year? I buy 3 or 4 at least, and I'm casual.

I will buy Bioshock 2 and StarCraft 2, just like I bought DoW 2. They aren't exclusive, as much as the internet forum wars make them out to be.

Neither are Diablo 3 or Guild Wars 2. The entire premise of GW "pay once and play forever" is catered to an audience that plays multiple games!

However, you do have a point if Blizzard launches another MMO. Will that cannibalize WoW, or will WoW be dying by then (thanks to higher and higher level requirements for entry into new expansions)?

EDIT: 10 years? Even if GW2 doesn't come out until 2011, that's 4 years since it was announced! (Announced around March, 2007).

10 years is how long it took Blizzard to release StarCraft 2... and that only HYPED the announcement. Now, I'm not saying Anet should wait 10 years, and I don't think they will.

Zinger314

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05 Jun 2009 at 22:10 - 176

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Well, as a buddy of mine who played WoW said when Burning Crusade came out, he's not going to buy it until he gets max level, which he eventually did. It's just common sense not to waste your money for something you can't use. Imagine what the sales would have been like for Factions if you had to be level 20 and ascended to access any of the content? Or you had to be max kurzick or luxon to use NF?

I bought TBC before I had a lv. 60 for BE/Draenei. I ended up eventually making an Orc Warlock, but that's not the point.

Can we wait to begin theorycrafting until GW2 stops being vaporware?

Buster

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06 Jun 2009 at 00:05 - 177

It took them 10 years to even announce SC2 because they had too much WOW on the brain. Not to mention it took them forever to announce Diablo 3.

Longasc

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06 Jun 2009 at 00:28 - 178

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

No game is perfect, nor will it ever be.

But to accuse ArenaNet QA of failing because of some clipping issues? That seems to be a petty concern. I care more about skill balance and creating decent monster AI.

Did you not read. Or can you not read? Must I explain you why picking an example and adding your blabla is arseholish?

Red Sonya

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06 Jun 2009 at 01:09 - 179

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So your argument that WoW wins because it is the best because it is popular is invalid.

Of course that is just your opinion and invalid.

WOW is the BEST and the most POPULAR and those that don't think so always say it's not thus they are wrong and the statistics don't lie. In this day and time $$ is what determines what is best not some independent like you who merely doesn't think it is the best.
Why am I here instead of WOW? So I can be sure and remind YOU that WOW is the BEST and MOST POPULAR of course.

Bryant Again

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06 Jun 2009 at 03:12 - 180

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Originally Posted by Longasc

Did you not read. Or can you not read? Must I explain you why picking an example and adding your blabla is arseholish?

You say that ANet fails at implementing their ideas then go about complaining about armor clipping. You might want to bring a few more examples to the table.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Of course that is just your opinion and invalid. WOW is the BEST and the most POPULAR and those that don't think so always say it's not thus they are wrong and the statistics don't lie. In this day and time $$ is what determines what is best not some independent like you who merely doesn't think it is the best.
Why am I here instead of WOW? So I can be sure and remind YOU that WOW is the BEST and MOST POPULAR of course.

Popularity doesn't really signify if a game is good or not, it just means people like it. Remember the McDonald's analogy? The food is far from top-end and in general it's just bad for you, but people still enjoy it.

Does the Wii's success mean it's the best console ever that everyone will enjoy? No, it's just really accessible.

On the flipside, what if a game *isn't* popular? Is it strictly due to the game sucking, or due to other non-game related issues (ex: Beyond Good & Evil)?

moriz

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06 Jun 2009 at 03:48 - 181

if you don't eat the fries, mcdonald food is actually pretty good for you. the big mac delivers four out of the five essential food groups in one tasty package. yum.

the mmo market will always be biased towards the one that A) comes out first; and/or B) the first that's significantly better than the competition. WoW was the first mmo to gain major traction. with no other mmo being SIGNIFICANTLY better, it will remain the top mmo. it doesn't necessarily means that it's the best though.

and btw, my shepard is better than yours.

Bryant Again

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06 Jun 2009 at 05:05 - 182

I highly doubt any Shepard you can make right now is better than ME2 Shepard ; )

Longasc

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06 Jun 2009 at 08:24 - 183

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Longasc Popularity doesn't really signify if a game is good or not, it just means people like it. Remember the McDonald's analogy? The food is far from top-end and in general it's just bad for you, but people still enjoy it.

No. You mixed something up. I did not say that, you quoted Red Sonya.

Regarding better examples, a comprehensive list of ANet's blunders:
I am not sure if finding better examples for such short attention spans is worth the effort. Reading comprehension and understanding in general cannot be improved that way.

Bryant Again

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06 Jun 2009 at 16:47 - 184

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Originally Posted by Longasc

No. You mixed something up. I did not say that, you quoted Red Sonya.

That was a whoopsie, thanks for the heads up.

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Originally Posted by Longasc

Regarding better examples, a comprehensive list of ANet's blunders:

Cool, looking forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Longasc

I am not sure if finding better examples for such short attention spans is worth the effort. Reading comprehension and understanding in general cannot be improved that way.

...eh, okay? So instead of something more meaningful than "clippin errers" we just get insulted. gj.

wetsparks

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06 Jun 2009 at 21:57 - 185

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Well, as a buddy of mine who played WoW said when Burning Crusade came out, he's not going to buy it until he gets max level, which he eventually did. It's just common sense not to waste your money for something you can't use. Imagine what the sales would have been like for Factions if you had to be level 20 and ascended to access any of the content? Or you had to be max kurzick or luxon to use NF?

Bryant though, you could say the same thing about GW's population. While we on guru are used to seeing people with 10+ level 20 characters, there are still a lot of people standing around naked dancing in pre-searing who have never left.

BC brought in new beginner areas and races so you could have used it without having max level characters. I think you mixed it up with WotLK, which broke BC's record for fastest selling game btw.

Bryant Again

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06 Jun 2009 at 22:01 - 186

Whoops, missed this little tidbit:

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Bryant though, you could say the same thing about GW's population...

I already did, though! I don't remember if it was in this thread or not, but that's essentially what I've been saying for awhile.

Ghost Omel

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07 Jun 2009 at 20:47 - 187

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Originally Posted by hunter

Problem is, by the time GW2 hits you are gonna have games like SC2 and D3 already dominating the western and part of the asian market. You can't wait 10 years before releasing a sequel to a dead game because you will be eaten up by the competition.

And don't even believe for a second that GW2 will surpass SC2 or D3 in sales

Really. That will be a problem?

I must agree i NEVER HEARD OF PEOPLE BUYING MORE THEN 1 GAME.

Please.. its just amusing .. thinking that a casual player plays only 1 game.. Not to mention they are ALL DIGFFERENT themed games.

SC2 is a strategy..i fail to see how it is in direct competiition with GW2
D3 is a hack and slash game....fail to see direct competition

Just because the games mentioned above have "seniority" or already established name and thinking all other games are infireor to them foolish and extremely fainboish... Man... Dawn Of War was much more enjoyable then Star Carft ....

Be less biased please.....

hunter

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07 Jun 2009 at 22:41 - 188

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Originally Posted by Ghost Omel

Really. That will be a problem?

I must agree i NEVER HEARD OF PEOPLE BUYING MORE THEN 1 GAME.

Please.. its just amusing .. thinking that a casual player plays only 1 game.. Not to mention they are ALL DIGFFERENT themed games.

SC2 is a strategy..i fail to see how it is in direct competiition with GW2
D3 is a hack and slash game....fail to see direct competition

Just because the games mentioned above have "seniority" or already established name and thinking all other games are infireor to them foolish and extremely fainboish... Man... Dawn Of War was much more enjoyable then Star Carft ....

Be less biased please.....

Im not biased, im a realist.

SC2 and D3 are two games that 99% of the people here are gonna buy and are going to come out before GW 2. Thats 2 games, more than enough for the casual gamer as well as the hardcore gamer. Not many people are gonna stop playing their D3 chars when GW2 comes out either and SC2...is SC2 so....good luck having a GW playerbase after 5 years

Bryant Again

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07 Jun 2009 at 23:13 - 189

The thing is, *everyone's* gonna be kind of put in the water whenever Blizzard (or any household name really) releases a game. It's not going to be a problem ANet alone will face.

But that said, I feel that ANet will have an easier time with the competition given how successful GW1 has been thus far.

Lord Sojar

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07 Jun 2009 at 23:16 - 190

I'm playing WoW now...and I gotta say... ANET is really lazy, their support SUCKS, and Guild Wars 2 better be really damn good, or they are finished. Sorry, but when you ruin your game with useless shit (see the "Big April Update"), bad/terrible/horrid/worthless skill updates and balances, and flood your game with tedious bannings for things people take offense to (I logged on to my PvP account for lawls the other day, only to find my PvP warrior (after 3 years) had been banned a while ago for naming "Beware of the Azns") Apparently 'Azns' is now a banned term... so I renamed her "A Boob" which apparently is allowed..

So let me get this straight... you don't allow an entire culture to use a shorthand spelling of their own culture, but you allow a part of the female sexual anatomy in a name. OH GG ANET, WAY2BE2FACED.

Sorry, Guild Wars needs to burn in some holy fire for the fail it has become in the last 1.5 years.

Bryant Again

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08 Jun 2009 at 00:27 - 191

Endgame PvE in WoW is still fun, but it's super, SUPER easy. I no longer see it as having more longevity than GW, though I do find it a bit more interesting and balanced (IN PVE! The EXACT opposite goes for PvP).

PvP can be pretty fun, too, but it just gets soooo annoying. GW may have mechanics that have the potential to be annoying but are much more limited thanks to the fact that staying alive in GW just isn't about "healz moar".

Pistachio

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08 Jun 2009 at 02:24 - 192

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Originally Posted by moriz

if you don't eat the fries, mcdonald food is actually pretty good for you. the big mac delivers four out of the five essential food groups in one tasty package. yum.

Yes, if you like heart disease.

Ghost Omel

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08 Jun 2009 at 05:36 - 193

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Originally Posted by hunter

Im not biased, im a realist.

SC2 and D3 are two games that 99% of the people here are gonna buy and are going to come out before GW 2. Thats 2 games, more than enough for the casual gamer as well as the hardcore gamer. Not many people are gonna stop playing their D3 chars when GW2 comes out either and SC2...is SC2 so....good luck having a GW playerbase after 5 years

Then according to your logic all sales of non blizzard games and products will seize because of 2 old titles coming back? This is absurd. No 1 is denying that people will purchase them by hordes but as I said DIFFERENT game types are involved. GW2 release haven't been announced and you already proclaim of horible sales. Silly isn't it. Please provide a good proof or evidence of any product being under sold or under populated by the scenario you have provided. Find it , show it to me and I will agree with your logic but know it's just a biased unrealistic claim

Lord Sojar

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08 Jun 2009 at 07:52 - 194

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Endgame PvE in WoW is still fun, but it's super, SUPER easy. I no longer see it as having more longevity than GW, though I do find it a bit more interesting and balanced (IN PVE! The EXACT opposite goes for PvP).

PvP can be pretty fun, too, but it just gets soooo annoying. GW may have mechanics that have the potential to be annoying but are much more limited thanks to the fact that staying alive in GW just isn't about "healz moar".

Ulduar is easy? Well, color me pink and call me Susan... Oh wait, it's hard as hell. Ulduar makes any other end game content look like Barbie Adventures...

As for balance... the GW developers ruined that a long time ago. WoW is honestly more balanced right now...

Bryant Again

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08 Jun 2009 at 08:23 - 195

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Ulduar is easy? Well, color me pink and call me Susan... Oh wait, it's hard as hell.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

As for balance... the GW developers ruined that a long time ago. WoW is honestly more balanced right now...

See above.

The only thing I'd put WoW and GW to be on par with are GvG vs. 5v5, and that's being insanely generous. I'd give GW the personal vote due to having much more comfortable combat and a better class/build variety. Arms Wars only stay fun for so long, though DK's were hysterical for awhile. As a side problem in WoW, you will get screwed far more up the ass if there's some nasty imbalance.

The worst part about GW is it's only a shadow - yet *still* leagues ahead of any other MMO in terms of PvP. That's the only thing that sucks: we no longer have something that's godlike, just something that's better. There's really not much of an alternative for GW's PvP at this point.

Angel Kiss

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08 Jun 2009 at 12:05 - 196

I just discovered this thread and was skimming through the various views and I wondered...

...what about the new competition NCSofts new game Aion will bring? Having just participated in the closed beta for Aion over this past weekend, I can definately say it's going to be hard to keep me interested in GW1 or GW2 having Aion as a contender for my game time. The graphics were absolutely stunning, I played from level 1 to 20 (that's all I had time for) with my bottom jaw on the floor 90% of the time. I realise Aion is intended to be a P2P, but so is WoW and we consider it to be in direct competition of GW regardless.

If others wish this thread to purely be a GW/GW2/Wow discussion then feel free to delete this post, I won't be offended at all.

Lonesamurai

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08 Jun 2009 at 12:16 - 197

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Originally Posted by Angel Kiss

I just discovered this thread and was skimming through the various views and I wondered...

...what about the new competition NCSofts new game Aion will bring? Having just participated in the closed beta for Aion over this past weekend, I can definately say it's going to be hard to keep me interested in GW1 or GW2 having Aion as a contender for my game time. The graphics were absolutely stunning, I played from level 1 to 20 (that's all I had time for) with my bottom jaw on the floor 90% of the time. I realise Aion is intended to be a P2P, but so is WoW and we consider it to be in direct competition of GW regardless.

If others wish this thread to purely be a GW/GW2/Wow discussion then feel free to delete this post, I won't be offended at all.

you do raise a valid point though and it should be GW/GW2/Generic MMO and not WoW

woeye

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08 Jun 2009 at 12:48 - 198

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

Well, its not like some diceroll gods in the sky randomly assign games set amounts of advertising, Blizzard chose to advertise WoW a lot, and Anet/ NCSoft chose to advertise Guild Wars hardly at all.

Agreed. On top of this WoW is also a social phenomenon: "My friend plays WoW, so do I". Blizzard/ActiVision did a really good job in marketing WoW as THE MMORPG game. If you ask someone about Online Role Playing Games he will immediately ask "You're speaking of WoW?"

Mordakai

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08 Jun 2009 at 18:00 - 199

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Apparently 'Azns' is now a banned term... so I renamed her "A Boob" which apparently is allowed..

Not to go horribly off-topic here, but "Azns" was probably understood as "Ass" or a male Donkey.

Funny that boob is not banned though!

But, to your larger point, WoW as bigger problems IMO as the level cap gets higher and higher, the number of new players will fall.

Yes, I realize it hasn't happened yet, and it probably won't happen for a couple more years, but surely I'm not the only one who sees ever growing level requirements for entry as non-sustainable?

(It's one of the things that worries me about GW2, BTW).

hunter

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08 Jun 2009 at 19:46 - 200

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Link me your armory profile with "glory of the ulduar raider" please

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

The only thing I'd put WoW and GW to be on par with are GvG vs. 5v5, and that's being insanely generous.

What??? Just another scrub i see trying to be a smartass.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I'd give GW the personal vote due to having much more comfortable combat and a better class/build variety. Arms Wars only stay fun for so long, though DK's were hysterical for awhile. As a side problem in WoW, you will get screwed far more up the ass if there's some nasty imbalance.

Funny thing is, my DK has to burn gold each week to swap between 6-7 different talent specs. And whats even more funny is that a warrior in GW has LESS real options to roll with, lets look at my DK for a sec.

PVE Blood DPS
PVE Blood tanking
PVE Frost build DPS abusing frost strike
PVE Frost tanking
PVP Frost
PVE Unholy 12/59
(PVE Unholy 10/61)
PVP Unholy 17/54 with AMZ
PVP Unholy 19/52

Lets look at GW warriors and what they can roll with

WE scrythe
WE axe
DS
Earth shaker
RA PVP build with some added utility
Standard War PVP build

(Not counting lvling/farming in either game)

Lol? where did your "better build variety" go to? Its true that in theory i can come up with an extremely large number of warrior builds but 99% of them are not ideal and will label you as a nub as well as falling in performance to the top builds i just listed. Even if you go and look at the "PVE and PVP meta" build directory for warriors, these are mainly what you will see.

So lol @ your "better build variety" argument, silly WOW nublet