UWSC going to be nerfed?
imnotyourmother
its its overdone..is done..
HawkofStorms
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No single profession should be able to do in 10 minutes what takes 1 or 2 hours for the rest.
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Games should be about allowing players to have fun, not get "phat epic loot" as fast as humanly possible. And if you think you "have fun" doing speed clears... you only say that because you enjoy the rewards of it and because you probably never actually beat UW/FoW the old fashioned way (because you can't w/o OP skill combos). If you have fun doing SCs, then you should be able to have fun doing UW/FoW legitimately too. If you don't, then clearly it was just the loot that you enjoyed, and not the actually gaming experience.
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Exactly. The fact is, this farm is so efficient, it destroys the reason to even bother running it normally. People like myself who just don't have fun doing SCs (because I don't like the playing style) are screwed over, because everytime my guild, alliance, or a PUG wants to do those areas, they want to SC. I can't play with my play style because people are doing SCs.
Games should be about allowing players to have fun, not get "phat epic loot" as fast as humanly possible. And if you think you "have fun" doing speed clears... you only say that because you enjoy the rewards of it and because you probably never actually beat UW/FoW the old fashioned way (because you can't w/o OP skill combos). If you have fun doing SCs, then you should be able to have fun doing UW/FoW legitimately too. If you don't, then clearly it was just the loot that you enjoyed, and not the actually gaming experience. |
People do not bother running UW normally because there's absolutely no point doing it. Once you did all the quests once, you're done.
BTW, what is a "normal build" ? Who are you to define normality and legitimacy in GW ?
There's no "epic loot" in GW, just a retarded 0.0001% chance to get something worth 100 ectos in a chest.
You say you want to be able to enjoy the game freely, but you want to prevent others form using certain skills, something just doesn't sound quite right...
Of course, the only thing they enjoy in SC builds is the end chest, and so what ? It's still better than nothing.
Can you really be that egoistic ?
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Exactly. The fact is, this farm is so efficient, it destroys the reason to even bother running it normally. People like myself who just don't have fun doing SCs (because I don't like the playing style) are screwed over, because everytime my guild, alliance, or a PUG wants to do those areas, they want to SC. I can't play with my play style because people are doing SCs. Games should be about allowing players to have fun, not get "phat epic loot" as fast as humanly possible. And if you think you "have fun" doing speed clears... you only say that because you enjoy the rewards of it and because you probably never actually beat UW/FoW the old fashioned way (because you can't w/o OP skill combos). If you have fun doing SCs, then you should be able to have fun doing UW/FoW legitimately too. If you don't, then clearly it was just the loot that you enjoyed, and not the actually gaming experience. |
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Targren
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Originally Posted by Ugh
I am objecting to this meta because it revolves around a skill that is clearly broken, it limits play to one build, it can clear an elite area in HM in a matter of minutes, and it is very simple to do.
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That the skill is broken is a matter of opinion, not fact (SF can be used for UWSC, we get it, but there are puh-lenty of things it can't farm), and you're again overestimating the efficiency and ease of UWSC. If it was as fast and foolproof as you seem to think, there wouldn't be any concept of "Failure pays cons," for instance. One screwup ruins the entire team and they start from scratch (gogogo dead reaper).
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If they want to nerf UWSC, the best solution came up earlier in the thread... just make the doors open one at a time, or only allow one quest/reaper up at a time. This way they don't mess with skills that, regardless of what YOU think, THEY do not find "abusive". Change the AREA, not the skill
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Avatar The Element
SF is basically godmode.....pls nerf it
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Targren
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
Protective spirit has caused godmode 55hp and 600hp monks. Going to call for a much needed nerf for protective spirit too??
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vandevere
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Originally Posted by Targren
Your ignorance is showing again. Having 2 skills in common doesn't make it all the "same build" any more than every ranger bar in a PUG is the same build because they'll kick you if you don't have D-shot. I think Pools and Plains use the same build, but then, pits has 2 or 3 different options...
That the skill is broken is a matter of opinion, not fact (SF can be used for UWSC, we get it, but there are puh-lenty of things it can't farm), and you're again overestimating the efficiency and ease of UWSC. If it was as fast and foolproof as you seem to think, there wouldn't be any concept of "Failure pays cons," for instance. One screwup ruins the entire team and they start from scratch (gogogo dead reaper). You're not going to get it in a PUG. If that's what you want, get a better guild, new friends, or a better game, but stop pugging. Pugs do not appreciate creativity and initiative. Since Anet has specifically said that they don't want to nerf perma-SF as a solution, that would mean that it's not "abusive to[sic] a game element that wasn't meant to be abused." If they want to nerf UWSC, the best solution came up earlier in the thread... just make the doors open one at a time, or only allow one quest/reaper up at a time. This way they don't mess with skills that, regardless of what YOU think, THEY do not find "abusive". Change the AREA, not the skill |
I mean, everyone who has gone to the UW knows exactly what is where. So everyone knows what skills to bring to which encounter. But, what if you didn't know which monster you would be facing? Or the skills they'll be using?
You'd have to slow down some, just to see what you're going to face at the next encounter.
I think that's all you would need, really, to...um...nerf the speed clears...
You see, I'm a little Nerf-weary right now. In the eyes of many, skill-nerfing has gone from being one of many possible solutions, to being the ONLY solution. And that's a lot like going after a mosquito with a bazooka.
Most of the problems I've been reading about would be better addressed by randomizing the monsters than by skill-killing.
And, let's make no mistake about this; there are posters here who have gone on record as saying they want SF, or whatever the hated skill is at the moment, totally erased off the skill-bar. I think the current term used to describe skill-killing is Smiter's Booned...
As so many have said, once SF is erased, these people will start railing after yet another skill, demanding yet another Smiter's Boon job. And I really don't see that ending until the game itself does.
Let's stop using blunt force to fix things, please. A little creativity and imagination, might actually get the job done without having to nerf anything...
Deakon
If all classes are balanced then what's the point in having more than one class? This thread reminds me of the "I can't get into HA because I'm not ranked" threads.
Ugh
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Originally Posted by Targren
Your ignorance is showing again. Having 2 skills in common doesn't make it all the "same build" any more than every ranger bar in a PUG is the same build because they'll kick you if you don't have D-shot. I think Pools and Plains use the same build, but then, pits has 2 or 3 different options...
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| That the skill is broken is a matter of opinion, not fact (SF can be used for UWSC, we get it, but there are puh-lenty of things it can't farm |
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Protective Spirit
10e 1/4c 5r
Enchantment Spell. For 5...19...23 seconds, target other ally cannot lose more than 10% max Health due to damage from a single attack or Spell.
Targren
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Originally Posted by vandevere
Like I said earlier, randomizing the monsters, and the skills they use, will also make a speed clear much less effective.
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In light of that, I think the randomized spawning, if even technically possible in the engine, could be problematic. "Bad spawns" could go from something that screws up mountains to being a bad combination that all but assures a party wipe in the chamber. Take Smites+Coldfires, for instance. Part of the strategy for the wastes sin is the use the wide-open area of wastes to avoid these little battles and let them take care of each other if they want to live. Put them right at the start and wham... half the party is wiped before the other half has zoned in.
I'm not saying it's a bad solution, just one that would have to be implemented carefully, and "carefully" doesn't seem to be in the Anet Nerf-teams' vocabulary.
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Originally Posted by Ugh
From what I've seen, a permasin can farm either the most areas in the game or the second most (600 monks might be able to farm more, I dunno).
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Unless you mean the ones who are so morally opposed to it that, like yourself, that refuse to lower themselves to even try it, but instead speak out of ignorance that they read elsewhere on the forums, creating an echo-chamber of UWSC hate?
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Yichi
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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk
Protective spirit has caused godmode 55hp and 600hp monks. Going to call for a much needed nerf for protective spirit too??
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Originally Posted by Targren
Not to mention 55 and 600 Necros.
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The same can be argued with SF in the UWSC. It is the fault of game mechanics (by the addition of cons, etc.) as the skill is technically working as it is intended too. Should they completely kill the skill, no. Should they re-do their game mechanics to disallow the abuse of this, ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!
HawkofStorms
The point is, SF is so much better then 55ing, 600ing, etc. It isn't that it is good. It's insanely good. Being able to farm isn't a problem in itself. Farming builds will always exist thanks to people's creativity, and should since they let people make money. Being able to farm far and away better then any other build is a problem.
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For PVP's sake, this change had better not be global, otherwise you completely screw monk bars...
Targren
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
The point is, SF is so much better then 55ing, 600ing, etc. It isn't that it is good. It's insanely good. Being able to farm isn't a problem in itself. Farming builds will always exist thanks to people's creativity, and should since they let people make money. Being able to farm far and away better then any other build is a problem.
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
The point is, SF is so much better then 55ing, 600ing, etc. It isn't that it is good. It's insanely good. Being able to farm isn't a problem in itself. Farming builds will always exist thanks to people's creativity, and should since they let people make money. Being able to farm far and away better then any other build is a problem.
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I guess everyone was too busy farming there asses off to care huh
Yichi
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Back then 55/600/smite solo/duo was better then all the other farming options out there but for some reason seems to evade the list of things people cry to get changed.
I guess everyone was too busy farming there asses off to care huh |
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While I agree with you on just about every point (I'm sick and tired of the goddamn nerfbat), one of the qualifications of a "good" nerf to UWSC would be that it doesn't screw up the "normal" groups (that the whining smiters-boon-craving crowd insist never happen), right? In light of that, I think the randomized spawning, if even technically possible in the engine, could be problematic. "Bad spawns" could go from something that screws up mountains to being a bad combination that all but assures a party wipe in the chamber. Take Smites+Coldfires, for instance. Part of the strategy for the wastes sin is the use the wide-open area of wastes to avoid these little battles and let them take care of each other if they want to live. Put them right at the start and wham... half the party is wiped before the other half has zoned in. I'm not saying it's a bad solution, just one that would have to be implemented carefully, and "carefully" doesn't seem to be in the Anet Nerf-teams' vocabulary. |
Every time a problem has sprung up, the first thing we hear is NERF IT!!!; as if skill-killing is the be all and end all.
It should only be used in the last resort, when all other alternatives have been esxhausted.
Now, I've been in the UW a few times. Never did a Speed Clear, never will. I like to slow down and take my time. Trying to get max efficiency was never my thing. But, if people want UW slowed down THAT badly, there have to be other ways to do it than to Smiters Boon a skill.
I'd like ANET to look at all those other options before they go and kill a skill...
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Originally Posted by vandevere
I'd like ANET to look at all those other options before they go and kill a skill...
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Improvavel
Sincerely, instead of adding "new content" to the game, one of those big updates could be about redesigning UW.
UW is one of the most retard places in the entire GW - "hey its a mob of warriors", "look its a mob of rangers", "there is the mob of mesmers and there is the mob of monks and mob of eles and mob or necros"...
Dull and boooooooooooooooring and they killed the drops so much going there in any team format other than farming/UWSC is so freaking unrewarding that combined with the crappy uni-dimensional mobs makes UW #1 place to avoid in my book.
UW is one of the most retard places in the entire GW - "hey its a mob of warriors", "look its a mob of rangers", "there is the mob of mesmers and there is the mob of monks and mob of eles and mob or necros"...
Dull and boooooooooooooooring and they killed the drops so much going there in any team format other than farming/UWSC is so freaking unrewarding that combined with the crappy uni-dimensional mobs makes UW #1 place to avoid in my book.
Bryant Again
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Sincerely, instead of adding "new content" to the game, one of those big updates could be about redesigning UW.
UW is one of the most retard places in the entire GW - "hey its a mob of warriors", "look its a mob of rangers", "there is the mob of mesmers and there is the mob of monks and mob of eles and mob or necros"... Dull and boooooooooooooooring and they killed the drops so much going there in any team format other than farming/UWSC is so freaking unrewarding that combined with the crappy uni-dimensional mobs makes UW #1 place to avoid in my book. |
Targren
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
He's right, you know.
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vandevere
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Originally Posted by Targren
Abso-fraggin-lutely. Of course people only want to UWSC. The area SUCKS, the only draw to it is the reward. UWSC brings the reward faster (and compartmentalizes the suffering).
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Targren
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Originally Posted by vandevere
So, perhaps randomizing the monsters, mixing and matching them a little, along with improved drops all over, might be a step in the right direction..?
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If you ask the people who DO enjoy it, then they're going to vote to leave it the hell alone (and I'd agree with them, solely because it doesn't affect me and I see no reason to screw with their play).
If you ask the people whining about nerfing SF, nothing will ever be good enough for them. If they nerf the area instead of Shadow Form, they'll continue bitch about shadow form. If they nerf SF to make UWSC but don't make it completely useless, they'll keep bitching about that. And if they DO smiters boon SF, they'll just bitch about its replacement.
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Originally Posted by Targren
that it doesn't screw up the "normal" groups (that the whining smiters-boon-craving crowd insist never happen)
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Who thinks what? That UWSC is not as easy as the SF-haters claim? No, I'm not the only one who thinks that. Unless you mean the ones who are so morally opposed to it that, like yourself, that refuse to lower themselves to even try it |
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You have now done nothing more to the skill other than make to put it on the 2nd character instead of the primary. Same functionality, same results, can now add an additional skill on the primary bar to make run go smoother. For PVP's sake, this change had better not be global, otherwise you completely screw monk bars... |
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Targren
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They don't happen. I'm not "insisting" it. It's a fact.
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Get a list of all farms.
Eliminate the ones "that matter" (or do we really care about farming bolts of cloth?)* (optional, if you do care)
Eliminate the ones that anyone other than sins cannot do.
Eliminate Underworld, since you've made your damn point on that one, we get it, you don't like it, come up with a 2nd example.
Let me know what's left over.
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Or you can just keep parroting the same BS you've heard from other people who've heard from other people like some Fox News/CNN pundit, and be privy to about the same credibility.
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Sincerely, instead of adding "new content" to the game, one of those big updates could be about redesigning UW.
UW is one of the most retard places in the entire GW - "hey its a mob of warriors", "look its a mob of rangers", "there is the mob of mesmers and there is the mob of monks and mob of eles and mob or necros"... Dull and boooooooooooooooring and they killed the drops so much going there in any team format other than farming/UWSC is so freaking unrewarding that combined with the crappy uni-dimensional mobs makes UW #1 place to avoid in my book. |
I would like to see a nerf to UWSC. Not to killl it completely, but just to make it slower/harder.
Freeze_XJ
The problem most of you are forgetting is that nerfs are game-wide. If you hit permasins, it either means SF will become lame (the hp-drop afterwards makes it somewhat nastier than Spellbreaker for instance), or that UW becomes hell for a normal balanced group.
Removing consets is hard too, they're in, and outright removing them will cause major QQ, stopping to provide them will just make them expensive. Besides, they serve as HM-simplifiers for standard players, which is what Anet wanted. We experienced players have had enough already, GW is now aiming for the casual player, who needs consets to dabble in HM.
Throwing Well of the Profane or something funny on necros in UW (which kinda kills permasins, 600 and 55 alike) would require dervs (forms) or warrs back in, which sounds OK to me... A siggy would do the same, though, but keeps the option of 'cover enchants' open.
No matter what Anet does though, the QQ will come, the leavers will still leave, and the rest will just go on with what they did the past 4 years.
Removing consets is hard too, they're in, and outright removing them will cause major QQ, stopping to provide them will just make them expensive. Besides, they serve as HM-simplifiers for standard players, which is what Anet wanted. We experienced players have had enough already, GW is now aiming for the casual player, who needs consets to dabble in HM.
Throwing Well of the Profane or something funny on necros in UW (which kinda kills permasins, 600 and 55 alike) would require dervs (forms) or warrs back in, which sounds OK to me... A siggy would do the same, though, but keeps the option of 'cover enchants' open.
No matter what Anet does though, the QQ will come, the leavers will still leave, and the rest will just go on with what they did the past 4 years.
Fire Turok
[/QUOTE] This I agree with. Assassins are only really desired when they are acting as SF tanks. But that doesn't mean they should continue abusing it, that means there is a problem with the class and they need buffs in other areas.[/QUOTE]
uhh for one we are not ABUSING it we are playing with what anet has set up for us.
uhh for one we are not ABUSING it we are playing with what anet has set up for us.
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Sincerely, instead of adding "new content" to the game, one of those big updates could be about redesigning UW.
UW is one of the most retard places in the entire GW - "hey its a mob of warriors", "look its a mob of rangers", "there is the mob of mesmers and there is the mob of monks and mob of eles and mob or necros"... Dull and boooooooooooooooring and they killed the drops so much going there in any team format other than farming/UWSC is so freaking unrewarding that combined with the crappy uni-dimensional mobs makes UW #1 place to avoid in my book. |
The problem is, it has gotten too easy to farm those areas nowadays because of all the newly added skills, professions and consumables.
Kinda weird knowing UW and FoW were made Core content, and not having been updated with the new skills and professions from the other campaigns. As it is now, Core = Prophecies when UW and FoW are concerned.
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uhh for one we are not ABUSING it we are playing with what anet has set up for us. |
Bryant Again
The problem is less in people using an abusing feature and more ANet allowing it.
I'd quote Avarre on that one but I has no times : (
I'd quote Avarre on that one but I has no times : (
Targren
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The problem is less in people using an abusing feature and more ANet allowing it.
I'd quote Avarre on that one but I has no times : ( |
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Yes, by all means, quote Avarre, whose second-favorite hobby after bitching about SF seems to be pointing out that he doesn't even play the damn game anymore, so why the hell should we care what he thinks on the matter, much less quoting him like some sort of reference?
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Not to mention DE is correct. When someone makes a constructive argument, the fact that they don't play anymore doesn't mean their opinion is void. If it did, well, a shitton of constructive arguments in riverside are void.
Ugh
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PUGs are not normal groups.
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So can Warriors, Monks, Necros, and Eles. Hell, Eles can still Vaettir farm 5x faster than sins after the keg nerf. So unless you're going to come up with some solid backing to these claims, you're cherry picking facts to suit yourself. Get a list of all farms. [Eliminate the ones "that matter" (or do we really care about farming bolts of cloth?)* (optional, if you do care) Eliminate the ones that anyone other than sins cannot do. Eliminate Underworld, since you've made your damn point on that one, we get it, you don't like it, come up with a 2nd example. Let me know what's left over. |
Almost every farm another profession can do, a sin can do. And a sin can usually do it faster. Exceptions include some 600 stuff and very few others.
Sins are also required in damn near every team farm in the game. FoWSC and VSF, for example.
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Well then, I guess it's subjective and if you want to make an intelligent judgement of its difficulty and efficiency, you're going to come down off your high horse and try it yourself. Or you can just keep parroting the same BS you've heard from other people who've heard from other people like some Fox News/CNN pundit, and be privy to about the same credibility. |
1 > 2 > 3
Got it?
That's what it takes to perma. When you see that purdy little SF icon start to flicker, do it again. If you can count to three, you have achieved invincibility in GW.
At most, it takes a few tries to get used to a farm/run/area/whatever.
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Targren
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By "normal" I assumed you meant balanced groups.
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Almost every farm another profession can do, a sin can do. And a sin can usually do it faster. Exceptions include some 600 stuff and very few others. ... Or I could keep parroting the facts I've heard from people who are speaking from their own first-hand experiences. 1 > 2 > 3 Got it? That's what it takes to perma. When you see that purdy little SF icon start to flicker, do it again. If you can count to three, you have achieved invincibility in GW. |
Click > 1 > 2 > click > 1 > 3.
That's all it takes to be a good prot monk.
When you reduce things to keypresses, especially things you know nothing about, you miss the point.
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Maybe he'd play GW more if Anet would take some initiative and nerf broken game elements.
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From the Dev update notes where SF's duration and recharge were reduced (to require more careful energy management)
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Bryant Again
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Who cares? As far as I'm concerned, we're better off without people like him.
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That's a scary thought...
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And when it's "balancing" factor means instant death when it's not avoided, making it unavoidable is smiters' booning the skill. I am aware that this is what you and others like you want, but it is bad design and a bad approach.
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As is though, in it's current state yes, it does need a toning down. And if the devs don't agree, then that's also quite a scary thought.
Avarre
The standard balancing factors are cost, recharge, casting time, and duration. Giving it an RaO-esque rebalance of dramatically adjusting recharge time and duration, either to make it unmaintainable (in which case, the ending penalty could be reduced or dropped), or impossible to maintain by normal energy recharge, would probably kill most complaints.
Alternatively, add a 'SF is disabled for 60 seconds' clause on it, similar to Dervish Forms, so that fast recharge effects don't work on it. SF will still be viable as a target-sniping skill for solofarming or for running (where the penalty is largely irreleant), but no longer a tanking skill.
Alternatively, add a 'SF is disabled for 60 seconds' clause on it, similar to Dervish Forms, so that fast recharge effects don't work on it. SF will still be viable as a target-sniping skill for solofarming or for running (where the penalty is largely irreleant), but no longer a tanking skill.
HawkofStorms
While the devs said they would like to keep SF perminately maintained... they said that after nerfing it while saying "we will continue to keep on eye on it to see if that nerf was enough." Evidently, they knew it was screwed up. Clearly, it still is being abused to complete areas that take hours to do in a fraction of the time, from VSF to UW/FoWSCs. Again, that is the real problem. Being powerful is one thing. Being way more efficient relative to everything else is something else.
Just like Ursan, don't be surprised if it gets nerfed. And when it does, I'm sure there will be many people complaining about how "I'm never buying anything again, a.net sucks, etc" posts. But then people will get over it, like they have with every nerf. Because if you really enjoy the game (and not just trying to get phat loot), you will keep playing. And when GW2 comes around, all those whiners will forget their empty threats as they will all be drooling over a beautiful new game.
Just like Ursan, don't be surprised if it gets nerfed. And when it does, I'm sure there will be many people complaining about how "I'm never buying anything again, a.net sucks, etc" posts. But then people will get over it, like they have with every nerf. Because if you really enjoy the game (and not just trying to get phat loot), you will keep playing. And when GW2 comes around, all those whiners will forget their empty threats as they will all be drooling over a beautiful new game.
fecalstorm
The amount of people that piss and moan about SF is amazing. Permaform has been the best thing to ever happen for me because I'm an adult and have a life and don't have 100000000 hours to put into the game to get some FoW armor.