SF Argument
Star Gazer
arkantos, I applaud your attempt at trying to meet a middle ground on the elite areas for casual players. Meeting in the middle would be an ideal situation, but the problem would still exsist: people will find a way to shorten it up, and in the end screw a casual player. however, would your arguement against SF still continue if they nerfed UW by, say,adding a charged blackness in all areas of HM, but not NM?
this game was meant to be for casual players. like it or not, it was. short missions, progressive quests, frequent outposts...all there for those who do not have hours of time to dedicate to a video game. and the original guild wars was marketed under that banner.
remember skill > time? it counteracts everything when people are discriminitory over those who do not have the time, but have the skill to do so. gimmick or not, it requires some type of skill. if you mis-hit a key, you aggro more than one mob...your done for. so, while SC seem to not have any skill, they do take a certain amount of practice before it can be done efficiently at clearing uw under 20 minutes.
not all of those who do SC do it for "teh ph4t lewt". people DO make friends out of it, and even form guilds and/or alliances with the people that they meet. ursan did that do a lot of people. people who would never pug (like me) actually did for a while, and made some pretty good friends from it. its not always about the loot. sometimes its just the feeling of being able to complete areas with friends.
A11euro is standing for the casual crowd. finally, someone thinks of somone other than themselves when regarding certain skills and farms. s/he joined in apr 2005, so I am sure that their experiences underly most people here.
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Originally Posted by Simath
this game was meant to be for casual players. like it or not, it was. short missions, progressive quests, frequent outposts...all there for those who do not have hours of time to dedicate to a video game. and the original guild wars was marketed under that banner.
remember skill > time? it counteracts everything when people are discriminitory over those who do not have the time, but have the skill to do so. gimmick or not, it requires some type of skill. if you mis-hit a key, you aggro more than one mob...your done for. so, while SC seem to not have any skill, they do take a certain amount of practice before it can be done efficiently at clearing uw under 20 minutes.
not all of those who do SC do it for "teh ph4t lewt". people DO make friends out of it, and even form guilds and/or alliances with the people that they meet. ursan did that do a lot of people. people who would never pug (like me) actually did for a while, and made some pretty good friends from it. its not always about the loot. sometimes its just the feeling of being able to complete areas with friends.
A11euro is standing for the casual crowd. finally, someone thinks of somone other than themselves when regarding certain skills and farms. s/he joined in apr 2005, so I am sure that their experiences underly most people here.
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Perhaps I'll take some time to address the elitist argument. You're correct I am an elitist. Why? Because I'm better than the insignificant plebs who flood Riverside in their hordes of idiocy. When you've argued about broken nonsense such as Ursan as long as I have, and always end up right. You tend to become bored with the children and their easy mode rubbish.
this is hilarious. the fact that someone is proud to be an elitist on a game just makes me wonder what they are compensating for. the difference between you and me is the fact that one of us thinks of others, while one thinks only of themselves. your assumption that other players who post in riverside just astound me. Inde, we need to have a forum for us older players, that way we can keep childish shit like this out of my reading scope.
MisterB
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
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SF is obviously broken and there is no logical argument that says otherwise. Invincibility was not intended for GW, which is a game that is supposed to be based on skill. Pressing 1 > 2 > 3 and then slamming your head on the keyboard is poor game design.
Unfortunately, the bolded statement is just not true. ANet intentionally buffed Shadow Form so that it could easily be maintained permanently.
Simath
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Once more in plain english: Gimmick builds do not prevent you from using alternate team builds. Period. Nobody is forcing you to play the way they want to, yet your arguments are to force people to play your way.
Let me know if I need to clarify anything further, since it appears you are struggling.
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this is hilarious. the fact that someone is proud to be an elitist on a game just makes me wonder what they are compensating for. the difference between you and me is the fact that one of us thinks of others, while one thinks only of themselves. your assumption that other players who post in riverside just astound me. Inde, we need to have a forum for us older players, that way we can keep childish shit like this out of my reading scope.
Thanks for feeding me, bro. The "compensating for" comeback is really getting old. Stop bring up nonsense like that and develop formidable retorts. The difference between you and me is that I don't respond to posts who's only purpose is to incite emotion. You, sir, fail at such tactics. My "assumption" regarding riverside is a notion which many people similarly express. Mods included. You just aren't in the correct circles. My apologies.
As for me not being an "old player", well, that's just a silly thing to say. Happy trolling! Zanagi Kazuhiko
Don't we have enough of these SF---nerfing blah blah trends?
Star Gazer Ghost Dog
They truly are brick walls.
Simath
Ugh
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Gimmick builds do not prevent you from using alternate team builds. Period. Nobody is forcing you to play the way they want to, yet your arguments are to force people to play your way.
Yes, they do. Allow me to spell it out for you: Gimmick Builds in place = only thing that anyone will do because it is so ridiculously efficient Gimmick Builds not in place = you can do pretty much anything else "Your way" (with SF) forces me to use SF. "My way" (or whomever you were responding to's way) allows anything that's not based on a broken skill or completely OP. It would seem my way allows for a much more varied style of play. 90% of the people in favor of SF want it to stay for one reason: easy money. Half-baked arguments such as "SF doesn't limit your style of play" (it does) or "SF isn't that OP" (it is) are entirely BS and those 90% are well aware of it. As for the other 10%, I have no idea what kind of world they're living in. Quote:
dont use percentages if you do not have the analytical facts behind them. its true. are you implying that if you said in guild (or maybe even alliance) chat "hey guys, lets go 8 man random way uw" that they would actually say no? that is unfortunate that you are in a guild like that. maybe you should find a new one?
you want to know what I run for hm areas? 2 wars, 2 rangers, 2 monks, 1 mes, and 1 (curses) necro. ZOMG DISCORD WAY MESSED UP RUN...owait sorry bud, but your scenario does not fly. Quote:
I don't think the casual player wants to be forced into playing one specific profession just so they can see elite areas.
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one profession, or three professions it does not matter. people have to change in order to stay with whatever the current meta is. like it or not.
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You call anyone who disagrees with you an Elitist. I don't see how you can continue just dealing out the same thing over and over.
ok, so you dont see things our way. maybe it is just the idea of going in and blowing shit up. or just the idea of chilling with the "homies" and having a blast.
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no attention needed...i believe anet had nerfed the recharge on SF in order to "keep us on our toes"...it does require attention, granted it is repetitive.
Looking at the SF icon and waiting for it to flash isn't too difficult.
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Then do it? I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Are you saying Discordway is to other H/H groups as SFway is to randomway PUGs? Because no one's forcing you to use Discord. H/H are much less narrow-minded than PUGs are.|
Just when you can do it with no skill required, no attention needed it becomes a joke.
no attention needed...i believe anet had nerfed the recharge on SF in order to "keep us on our toes"...it does require attention, granted it is repetitive. Quote:
So, what would I be considered? During the school year I have a limited amount of time to play the game, yet I still dislike gimmick builds because I want a challenge. Most of my friends are like this, too. So, you're defending casual players, while arguing with casual players by your definition. I find it funny that you assume that every single casual player in this game has the same opinion as you.
So, thank you very much for defending me and all the other casual players, but I don't need your defense, and I certainly do not share the same opinions as you. Quote: this game was meant to be for casual players. like it or not, it was. short missions, progressive quests, frequent outposts...all there for those who do not have hours of time to dedicate to a video game. and the original guild wars was marketed under that banner. remember skill > time? it counteracts everything when people are discriminitory over those who do not have the time, but have the skill to do so. gimmick or not, it requires some type of skill. if you mis-hit a key, you aggro more than one mob...your done for. so, while SC seem to not have any skill, they do take a certain amount of practice before it can be done efficiently at clearing uw under 20 minutes. not all of those who do SC do it for "teh ph4t lewt". people DO make friends out of it, and even form guilds and/or alliances with the people that they meet. ursan did that do a lot of people. people who would never pug (like me) actually did for a while, and made some pretty good friends from it. its not always about the loot. sometimes its just the feeling of being able to complete areas with friends. A11euro is standing for the casual crowd. finally, someone thinks of somone other than themselves when regarding certain skills and farms. s/he joined in apr 2005, so I am sure that their experiences underly most people here. Yes, I would still argue against it. By adding charged blackness' to every area of UW, you're going to end up screwing over every player. Adding these into every area is going to promote more gimmick builds as opposed to others, nott o mention you're going to screw over every single group, not just speed clears. You're right, it was intended for casual players. If you want to use Prophecies as an example, I will too. Back in Prophecies, it took much, much, much more time to complete FoW/UW then it does now. Granted there was no true reason to complete all quests in both areas, it still took a considerable amount of time, while the game was still a casual game. You're right, you can ruin a run if you screw up, and it does take practice to complete UW in <20 minutes. However, you still have to grind your ass off for the PvE skills, and tbh it doesn't take a whole lot of skill to be able to pull it off. People do make friends from running user friendly, easy and effective builds, yes. However, people can still do this without shadow form. I have nothing against gimmick builds, they're always going to be around. I do, however, have a problem with maintainable invincibility in an online game. People should be able to easily pug and make friends without the use of this one skill. He is standing for the casual crowd, yes. But what he (and you) seem to be forgetting is that he is arguing with casual players by his definition. You can't defend a whole type of player when all of them are different. If you want invincibility, go play single player games with cheats. I'll say it again: I have nothing against gimmick builds, but maintainable invincibility is a different story. Quote:
By "90%" I meant "the vast majority." And, as we all know, 85% of percentages are made up on the spot. Whether 90% is an exaggeration or not, I don't know (doubt it :P). And my guild is mostly social, so they would probably not be up for UW. Therefore, PUGs are pretty much my only option. And I'm not going to find new friends to do UW.
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to say you are pissed? really? at pixels?...wow.
Go back. Read slowly. He was using "piss" for an entirely different purpose. Quote:
Good riddance. Guild Wars is not the game for them.
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