Next Skill Balance

Originally Posted by Aldawg Thanes

I was able to beat Duncan in HM with a broad head arrow ranger (me) a SV necro hero, a MM Necro Hero, a Necro Rit hero and 4 henchies (I think I used cons, but I truely cannot remember).

I have also beated him in NM without a SV Necro, with just the general Sabway and 4 henchies. I just kept him dazed and kept the heroes and henchies spread out.

As far as I know the Sabway build is not up for nerfing, however I could be wrong, if so I will go beat him again without it.

It is not impossible, just takes tactics. I have played the dungeons with this build many times and have gotten used to it and the senerios in the dungeons. However put me in DOA or Urgoz or another similar place in HM and I probably would not be able to beat them right away, however I am sure there are other people who would be able to. It is about practice, these areas are doable, just really hard and they require practice.

As for a Ranger and a Warrior human, I would suggest a BHA Ranger with frozen soil and swap, a Earthshaker/ backbreaker warrior with Save Yourselves 3 necro heroes, one set up as a SV, a fire or earth ele, a Shutdown Mes, a healer/ prot monk, and either another healer/ prot monk or another ele. That should do the trick. (If Save Yourselves is up for Nerfing, bring something else, you should be fine).

If you would like to pitch around some ideas pm me. I dont get to play much now, but in a few months when I can play more if you are still having problems, we can go it together.

Originally Posted by Reformed

Not that I'm trying to bust your balls here...but you do know that the original Slavers team included both a War and a Ranger right? You could easily do that with some micro. Unless you insist on HM and then I don't know what to tell you...it is Hard with a capital H and you need human players for aggro control that won't camp cast. Anyways, I don't know what the kiddies run nowadays but this setup worked then for dozens of runs with no PvE crap or perma and should work now...

1x OF tank
1x Splintbarrage/FS
1x SS/br (switches to N/A SV/swapper for Duncan)
3x SH/SF generic fire nuker (or 2x and an IV spiker/corpse deny on Dunc)
1x ZB/bond
1x HB/HP general blah healer

Originally Posted by shoyon456

Then you, like me, should know that a godmode button (excuse me, its THREE buttons) that can only be used on primary sins completely craps on those elite areas.

It's an insult to the game.

Originally Posted by Mustache Mayhem

why that one guy earlier in the thread, didn't make sense.. oh I just went up to him and kicked his ass with daze XD right.. guess he forgot about the passive damage too

Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Originally Posted by mrvrod

Really? Build an SF Assassin, and go solo Slaver's. Tell me how far you get in "god-mode".

Originally Posted by mrvrod

No, I don't want it to be easy. I do want it to be possible. Again, like I stated in a previous post. Show me a build with a human Warrior, a human Ranger, and 6 heroes that can complete Slaver's Exile, that doesn't rely on the builds that are up for nerfing.

Originally Posted by Tenebrae

This is going offtopic and has nothing to do with next skill balance but ...... since WHEN an ELITE AREA has to be BALANCED so a Human Ranger and a Human Warrior with 6 H/H ( or only Heroes ) should be able to complete it ?.
Yes , the answer is NEVER.

Originally Posted by Tenebrae

This is going offtopic and has nothing to do with next skill balance but ...... since WHEN an ELITE AREA has to be BALANCED so a Human Ranger and a Human Warrior with 6 H/H ( or only Heroes ) should be able to complete it ?.
Yes , the answer is NEVER.

Originally Posted by Redvex

I finish with my monk friend and me ranger in nm. But it was very difficult and long

Originally Posted by Abedeus

If they are good enough, why shouldn't they be able to finish it?

Originally Posted by Kaleban

As to Tull's question about how it would affect players, its simple. By NOT knowing what you'll face in a given area at any one time, its much better to take a group that has multiple capabilities and is broader in scope. A side benefit is that the monster and power creep wouldn't need to be as severe, since parties would not be SO specialized and would need multiple profession types to be successful.

My brother could probably write the code in an afternoon, and e-mail it over to ANet lol.

Additionally, by addressing the reward/time ratios, you could make farming less attractive while at the same time reinvigorate areas that are abandoned.

So really, my ideas would make the game much better, especially when compared to the endless nerf/buff cycle that changes the characters, but does nothing for the actual encounters in the game.

Originally Posted by Artisan Archer

I'm predicting; Glass arrows nerf, changes to water ele skills, and some random nerf that doesn't majorly affect bloodspike.

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1272/duncan02id6.jpg

You get all the way to the end.

Originally Posted by Regulus X

We all know that Anet is working on making GW2 the best to come, but while we wait, Guild Wars 1 continues to service us and the only way we'll continue to be able to enjoy it is if we prompt our developers concerning what skills we the GW1 Community would like to see changed/rearranged in order to enjoy the game better.

I'll start off by listing what I see fit for buffing and nerfing. Be sure that ya'll list your suggestions in an organized manner, detailed as to what you want changed about it. You can list it all, or just describe what variables you want changed/removed and state it in your post.

BUFF (PvP):
Bull's Charge - Convert cost to adrenaline and limit the amount of kd's to the first attack [skill] (only) while IMS's full duration can be maintained unaffectedly. Compresses Rush and Bulls together while keeping the kd'ing to a minimum via the "KD on first attack only" clause. A 2nd idea could be 33%IAS/25%IMS+KD*if moving*(1st attack [skill] ONLY).
Soldier's Stance - remove conditions/requirements and move to Strength line (or) make it apply to a +1 strength status and not to IAS. *Soldier's Stance should be a good option if players wish to avoid double damage clause and combines well with Axe and Sword lines.
Gash - remove bleeding requirement (or) make requirement apply for the damage bonus (not dw). *This is to ensure that dw can be landed, making it like dismember but maybe slightly more enticing than the axe skill variant as it offers no damage.
Skull Crack - Remove requirement to rupt spells. It's inferior to many other daze elites and even regular attacks (i.e.: Spear Swipe). Raise adrenaline cost to 10.
Blessed Light - lower e-cost to 5e. Hexway's are prominent and, though not as strong as WoH when <50% health is applied, this still holds its own in a shifty meta and would see much more usage if the cost were lowered.
Signet of Devotion - Reduce cast time to 1 second, increase recharge to 8. Sig of Rejuv. requires going 14 Healing. By providing a more viable sig, it'd promote going Prot or even Smite with a good e-management healing signet like Sig of Devotion. It'd still be inferior to Sig of Rejuv., but it'd be viable with other bars.
Second Wind - Reduce cast time to 1 second and allow exhaustion to be capped at 25-50% of user's energy (in other words, if ele has 100e, cannot be exhausted beyond 75-50e).
Shadow Prison - Lower energy cost to 5e and recharge to 20 seconds (remove aftercast). *Now that Black Lotus Strike, Flail, Burst of Agression, etc.. have been obliterated from the meta, it's safe to say that SP can once agains see the light of day. It's the near-equal of Wastrels except that it wouldn't kd, but instead, delivers a very brief snare and hex to fuel hex-related attacks like mantis and black spider.*
Black Spider Strike - Lower energy cost to 5e. *Same reason as SP (above).*
Buff Shadowstepping for Elites ONLY. Can make them disable all non-assassin attack skills for 10 seconds to prevent all secondary professions from abusing it.

NERF (PvP):
Distortion - Increase e-cost and recharge to 10, increase energy loss per hit to -5. Infinite block once e-management is applied is bad.
Blinding Surge - Increase recharge to 6 seconds. Far too effective on melee even with proper counters.
Retain aftercast delays on ALL offensive shadowstepping for non-elites.

Originally Posted by Fr0sT

For Regina, and for all the people who loves being owned by bots in gw. Plz... Do somethin, don't let this game fall more apart as it is now.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbt5d68NKbs

Originally Posted by Fr0sT

For Regina, and for all the people who loves being owned by bots in gw. Plz... Do somethin, don't let this game fall more apart as it is now.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbt5d68NKbs

Originally Posted by Krill

Anyone know if there will be a skill update today? It's the second Thursday after mAT.

Originally Posted by Kate Monster

Do you really think that those who are still playing actually WANT to play the old fashioned no farm way?!

Originally Posted by Xenex Xclame

It is obvious you dont care about the game and game breaking problems,but for the rest of us who do letting Anet know what we think is the only way we can get things fixed.

Originally Posted by Trip555

Or to make things worse, even for balanced teams, because as Underworld or Domain of Anguish (Foundry of Fail, Gloom) are designed, a normal Warrior Tank is not good enough.
So even balanced teams need Permas, Terratanks or similar.

Adding the Skeletons in the Underworld made it even harder for balanced teams to do Wastes, Pits and Horseman.
A balance update for Perma/600 has to go hand in hand with a rebalance of DoA and UW keeping balanced teams in mind or is fail.

Originally Posted by Trip555

Or to make things worse, even for balanced teams, because as Underworld or Domain of Anguish (Foundry of Fail, Gloom) are designed, a normal Warrior Tank is not good enough.

Originally Posted by sthpaw

well DoA was very hard till they introduced the PvE only skills but yes HM is insane with those effects.
UW with the Wastes is abit hard but doable with proper co-ordination but it will be almost impossilbe to do with 2 ppl and 6 heroes.
imo FoW needs to get a buff in difficuilty to balance it out.

Originally Posted by lishi

As long its made making the moster build decent instead of buffing numbers over 9000

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

Better get going and farm those Woe Spreaders for my other characters' Discordway builds before they make boss farming for green weapons in HM impossible.

Originally Posted by Trip555

Or to make things worse, even for balanced teams, because as Underworld or Domain of Anguish (Foundry of Fail, Gloom) are designed, a normal Warrior Tank is not good enough.
So even balanced teams need Permas, Terratanks or similar.

Originally Posted by jazilla

Here's my two cents about all of this. I remember when we were a few months into Factions and they changed the way the aggro system worked. I thought that was lame because it broke down traditional ways of playing in a team based fashion by having the Meatbag grab as much of the aggro as possible and holding it while their team provided the dmg etc. When that was the way the game worked, it forced players to rely on each other more. Why not go back to that system if you don't want us soloing and farming? I am guilty of 600 smiting as much as the next guy and maybe more so. That also has to do with the fact that I have logged over 6000 hours in your game.

When you have a game that is over 4 years old, I don't think you should do too much to change what a lot of people find fun. The people that don't like it, don't have to 600/smite or SF farm. They can join guilds that do things together in traditional 8 person format. I don't play that way anymore but I am not hating on playing the game that way, because honestly, it doesn't pertain to how I or my friends play the game. I used to like to play that way, but ArenaNet changed that a few months after Factions came out.

It also sends mixed signals when you release a quest like the Snowball Dominance quest that is completely repeatable and offers a larger reward than any other Wintersday Quest. You don't want us to farm solo or two man(Smite/600) but you give is a quest that is specifically designed to farm faction(vanguard) gold, and gifts in a two minute span. I just think that your message isn't very cut and dried to what you guys at ArenaNet want this game to be. It's confusing.