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Next Skill Balance
byteme!
4thVariety
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Still PvP has that giant mountain of highly volatile and dynamic situations that have to be met with the proper reaction. PvE does not have that. Yet people hate on some PvE skills not promoting skillful play without defining what that is in the first place.
The Josip
Mesmer skill update. For mesmers only. No CoP crap which others will use.
Yelling @ Cats
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Funny how people whine about overpowered crap, but they only target farming spells.
Soul reaping is still overpowered and is the basis for Sabway and all its variants, team builds that degenerate the mind. It's 'godmode' on team level. PvE only skills like SY!, cons etc. Upcoming nerfs have nothing to do with balance, but with ingame wealth and jealousy. |
Sabway is WAY overrated, but it is a step up for the "terrible" players that plague most of PvE...hence why it was looked at as a godsend.
Either way, there's a pretty big difference in "an 8 person team that can dominate fairly easily", and a "1 person team that can clear out most areas in the game while taking no damage".
Do both need looked at? Probably. If only one can be looked at? Definitely the builds that can solo 8-man areas.
toocooltang
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Whenever something got nerfed to the ground, some were rejoicing and claiming the nerfed skill required no skill to play anyway. But in over four years nobody was really able to tell me what that "skill" was supposed to be and how it is defined.
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This can be broken down even further but there is no need on guru because it would become a wall of text. The reason why most speed clears aren't skilful play is because of the fact you split off and solo different things or because you simply run with 5 or 6 of the same type of class to complete an area.
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SY! is really really stong, but sadly guildwars right now has two major camps for elite areas. Teams that use SY, and teams that use SF. Sadly this has been the case for along time. I want to see a major skill balance that really shakes up the meta. Change SF and SY! but then give us some other options to play around with for defense. I don't want to see SF get nerfed just to see OF become the replacement, I don't want to see SY get nerfed just to see a tactis/prot/command buff that easily replace it. I want a new meta with new skills, tactics and builds required. After 5 years, and many many times in every elite area the only fun thing left is making new builds and testing them.
The Drunkard
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Whenever something got nerfed to the ground, some were rejoicing and claiming the nerfed skill required no skill to play anyway. But in over four years nobody was really able to tell me what that "skill" was supposed to be and how it is defined.
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If Gun Pierson says it is all about jealousy and wealth, he is spot on. You never hear the people playing Shadow Form, or Ursan, or Cryway, or Sabway, or Tank&Spank, complain about the game being too boring. It is always the people not playing these builds causing the debate.
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SF has created a huge argument because it is so flexible. On one hand I enjoy the skill to farm, but on the other I have no support for a skill that can clear a dungeon quickly and without the need of other teamates.
If you want to make a bold statement, you should at least stop selectively reading posts in this thread/other threads. People have given their own beliefs here and in other threads, so don't think your comment is going to hold any water in a discussion.
mrvrod
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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson
Funny how people whine about overpowered crap, but they only target farming spells.
Soul reaping is still overpowered and is the basis for Sabway and all its variants, team builds that degenerate the mind. It's 'godmode' on team level. PvE only skills like SY!, cons etc. Upcoming nerfs have nothing to do with balance, but with ingame wealth and jealousy. |
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Whenever something got nerfed to the ground, some were rejoicing and claiming the nerfed skill required no skill to play anyway. But in over four years nobody was really able to tell me what that "skill" was supposed to be and how it is defined.
(1) Selection of eight skills cannot be skillful play, as this is outsourced to PvX wiki. (2) Pushing eight button can also not be skill as it is hardly complicated. (3) Reacting within fractions of a second cannot be called skill in GW, since people can observe and interrupt one monster at best and no single monster requires that amount of active attention. GW is best played with more passive defenses. (4) Reacting to dynamic events is also not skillful play in GW-PvE. It simply has no place there as elite dungeons are best played predicting the raid down to minute details. If Gun Pierson says it is all about jealousy and wealth, he is spot on. You never hear the people playing Shadow Form, or Ursan, or Cryway, or Sabway, or Tank&Spank, complain about the game being too boring. It is always the people not playing these builds causing the debate. |
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p sure I've gone on the record in other threads stating that SY! is ridiculously strong.
Sabway is WAY overrated, but it is a step up for the "terrible" players that plague most of PvE...hence why it was looked at as a godsend. Either way, there's a pretty big difference in "an 8 person team that can dominate fairly easily", and a "1 person team that can clear out most areas in the game while taking no damage". Do both need looked at? Probably. If only one can be looked at? Definitely the builds that can solo 8-man areas. |
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SF has created a huge argument because it is so flexible. On one hand I enjoy the skill to farm, but on the other I have no support for a skill that can clear a dungeon quickly and without the need of other teamates.
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Page Down Warhammer
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:A/Me...27s_Exile_Solo
I don't need a screencap to tell you its do able. And not hard. I've done it.
And yes it can't do Duncan on HM wah wah... there is a solo build for that too.
I don't need a screencap to tell you its do able. And not hard. I've done it.
And yes it can't do Duncan on HM wah wah... there is a solo build for that too.
Owik Gall
Hope the major update is close at hand. I'm getting anxious to see if they did anything to tactics and a lot of popular solo farm builds like 600 smite. Ofc I'm looking forward to what they will do to SF too.
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----stuff---- If Gun Pierson says it is all about jealousy and wealth, he is spot on. You never hear the people playing Shadow Form, or Ursan, or Cryway, or Sabway, or Tank&Spank, complain about the game being too boring. It is always the people not playing these builds causing the debate. |
I started to Dayway near the end of year and from my 30-40 ecto i happen to have about 120. Plus a Dhuum's soul reaper.
Now, if you have read my previous post you know i'm up for the nerf, but there is a small voice inside me saying.
Sigh, i guess i wont be able to get the mini Dhuum
Sigh, i guess it will take forever to get the title
etc
What im trying to say here?
No, not all the people who want the nerf are jealous.
Most of people don't want the nerf because it will slow down their ecto gaining.
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I have a shadow form assassin and i have a 600 monk too who is dtcing for kurz faction.
I started to Dayway near the end of year and from my 30-40 ecto i happen to have about 120. Plus a Dhuum's soul reaper. Now, if you have read my previous post you know i'm up for the nerf, but there is a small voice inside me saying. Sigh, i guess i wont be able to get the mini Dhuum Sigh, i guess it will take forever to get the title etc What im trying to say here? No, not all the people who want the nerf are jealous. Most of people don't want the nerf because it will slow down their ecto gaining. |
(PS: i have all good skin weapons, so im not jealous).
I use 55 Necro, Perma , Ele , and learning 600 monk..im using ritualist and a lot more..so i have no problem, btw ppl need stop to say jealous to other because in GW have no sense...or..wait..your unded mini Ghostly Hero deal damage in combat and help??SO YES!!Im jealous!!!
4thVariety
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Skillful play is the succesful combination of multiple different class types, each playing different roles in a team build using organized tactics and strats to complete any content in the game.
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To me skill is using the right skills at the right time. It's dshoting patient spirit by predicting how the monk plays under pressure, not by having a perfect connection or good reflexes.
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Bullshit, I've played with the degenerate meta for quite some time now, and have gotten fow armor, expensive minis, and cash titles because I run the builds.
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SF has created a huge argument because it is so flexible. On one hand I enjoy the skill to farm, but on the other I have no support for a skill that can clear a dungeon quickly and without the need of other teamates.
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If you want to make a bold statement, you should at least stop selectively reading posts in this thread/other threads. People have given their own beliefs here and in other threads, so don't think your comment is going to hold any water in a discussion.
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Sigh, i guess i wont be able to get the mini Dhuum
Sigh, i guess it will take forever to get the title etc What im trying to say here? No, not all the people who want the nerf are jealous. |
Lack of jealousy and greed is not just not wanting to farm 1000 ectos is a repetitive way. We need to be able to say "let them be". The live-team can only do so much and if the live-team is constantly chasing after the ghosts of grinders, Linsey & Co will have no time to implement changes that really bring full teams back together again.
A few months ago, grouping suddenly exploded again and people were forming full pug teams left and right. That was not the result of killing a skill, that was the result of introducing Zaishen quests.
reaper with no name
Nerfing SF won't magically bring back the old days.
But it will make playing other builds more enjoyable.
Why? For the same reason some people find SF fun in the first place: the idea of "best".
People like playing SF because it is the best build available for almost anything. This is impossible to ignore. When you play your warrior or mesmer, you are playing an inferior build. This is not "fun". Or at least, not as fun as it should be, because in the back of your mind there will always be that part that realizes that your build is inferior.
Nerfing SF may limit the "fun" of people who use it, but not nerfing it limits the fun of everyone else. So what's more important? The fun of sins, or the fun of every other profession? The answer should be obvious. Everyone should have access to a build that can be called "the best"; something that contributes in ways no other profession can. It's simply unfair for one profession to be as mechanically superior as assassins are.
Anet made 10 professions. If they're going to make most of them useless, then why even have them in the first place?
But it will make playing other builds more enjoyable.
Why? For the same reason some people find SF fun in the first place: the idea of "best".
People like playing SF because it is the best build available for almost anything. This is impossible to ignore. When you play your warrior or mesmer, you are playing an inferior build. This is not "fun". Or at least, not as fun as it should be, because in the back of your mind there will always be that part that realizes that your build is inferior.
Nerfing SF may limit the "fun" of people who use it, but not nerfing it limits the fun of everyone else. So what's more important? The fun of sins, or the fun of every other profession? The answer should be obvious. Everyone should have access to a build that can be called "the best"; something that contributes in ways no other profession can. It's simply unfair for one profession to be as mechanically superior as assassins are.
Anet made 10 professions. If they're going to make most of them useless, then why even have them in the first place?
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Im ok with or without nerf, but there is a thing that i still dont undestand : Jealous of what?
I use 55 Necro, Perma , Ele , and learning 600 monk..im using ritualist and a lot more..so i have no problem, btw ppl need stop to say jealous to other because in GW have no sense...or..wait..your unded mini Ghostly Hero deal damage in combat and help??SO YES!!Im jealous!!! |
Ignoring the jealous nature of humanity is Utopia. An illusion of a perfect society and community. The greeks already talked about it over 3000 years ago, I'm sure you can understand it too.
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Either way, there's a pretty big difference in "an 8 person team that can dominate fairly easily", and a "1 person team that can clear out most areas in the game while taking no damage".
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reaper with no name
Just because they aren't doesn't mean they can't.
Also, according to Anet, SF is being used for VQs now. VQs, of all things.
If it's being used for that, chances are people are using it for everything, including general play.
Also, according to Anet, SF is being used for VQs now. VQs, of all things.
If it's being used for that, chances are people are using it for everything, including general play.
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If it's being used for that, chances are people are using it for everything, including general play.
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Sure some vets will use them to do other stuff, but that's not the mainstream in today's GW imo.
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A few months ago, grouping suddenly exploded again and people were forming full pug teams left and right. That was not the result of killing a skill, that was the result of introducing Zaishen quests.
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Xenex Xclame
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People like playing SF because it is the best build available for almost anything.
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...When you play your warrior or mesmer, you are playing an inferior build.
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And that is the big problem with SF,yes there may be other stuff that are also overpowered.But SF is so overpowered that playing anything else is stupid and not a choice.
People keep saying to play something else if you dont like SF but that is not a real choice.
There are still people that say WoH is overpowered,but is it anywhere near SF?Of course not.
Mcsnake85
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I'll help you understand... Humans are playing this game. It doesn't have to be an überweapon, a mini polar bear does nothing to your stats ingame, they're just pixels, yet they go a thousand ectos each. Pixels, not stats.
Ignoring the jealous nature of humanity is Utopia. An illusion of a perfect society and community. The greeks already talked about it over 3000 years ago, I'm sure you can understand it too. |
Why ppl keep to be jealous of those things?You dont need a Obsidian Edge to deal 15-22 damage, just forge a simple sword from norn/asura/Vanguard and you are ok....if you have money and you can buy Obby ok, good for you but this dont change nothing.
I was jealous on D2 when Paladins with hammers lv 30 cause over 3000 damage on mobs and im only 2000/2200...this is a reason to be jealous..
I dont know if you guys understand what im say...
Nerf or Buff no make difference for me, im just sad because i cant use my fireball because IT SUCK hard , like a good 50% of other ele skill...and i QQ hard when i saw Dryder cause me 225 damage with a fireball when i can deal a max of 80 damage..comeon guyz, this is a good thing?Mobs better than a "hero"???
I forgot a thing : I prefer deal a lot of damage instead "GODMODE".
reaper with no name
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If you were right, 90% of the population would be a sin by now and you would rarely see another profession in towns, which is not true. Even in ToA (sin's paradise), they hardly make up 1/3 of the players there.
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Just the smart ones who don't give a damn about game balance.
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Why ppl keep to be jealous of those things?You dont need a Obsidian Edge to deal 15-22 damage, just forge a simple sword from norn/asura/Vanguard and you are ok....if you have money and you can buy Obby ok, good for you but this dont change nothing.
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In a sense, Anet's goal of removing grind from the game by keeping everyone on par concerning weapon and armor stats (as in no more grinding for better equipment) spawned a whole new form of grind. The aesthetic grind. The grind for a rare skin, that are so awfully expensive the only people that are in possession of them are the lucky, the very smart, or the very grindy.
Zahr Dalsk
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Because the only way for you as a player to elevate you from the scrubs, is by means of rare skins.
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Mcsnake85
Oh i see...so you guyz think that this game is based on "SKINS" and not on "TALENT"???
I can fail killing a Iboga lv 1, but if i have a Obsidian Edge im the best player??
I can Elevate from other players because i have a BDS, but i cant know how to do spike with 100b?YES i saw 100b that cant know hot to spike by simply press 1-2-3-4...
PvP titles ARE Titles,all the rest is nothing, you can get titles leeching too (raptor farm,paying for runs/vanquishings/Speedbooks etc...).
I have a lot of "rare-Skin" weapons, because i think that other skins suck btw that dont make me best than another player....so i ask again for last time : what the sense to be jealous?I played a lot of game and in all games -1(GW) i've had reason to be jealous...sorry but here there is no reason..
Changing talk, i forgot to make a question : Why ppl speak bad of SF?You need Few Hours to make a perma and play with other players,make run,farm...Easy to use and easy to make, so why?I have all chars and if you ask me what i prefer i say ELEMENTALIST, i never say that perma is better...btw i have it, im ready to join UW or FOWSC, or SoO or dunno...btw i play all time Elementalist,i use it if i want farm...cant all player simply do this way?Or its hard play some Hours to make a perma???
I really dont understand, you have all to make one...you dont need waste money for elite/weapons on sin if you dont like it..just take base 70al armor a staff and daggers and you are rdy...you need 10/15 skills in total..so its not hard eh??
I can fail killing a Iboga lv 1, but if i have a Obsidian Edge im the best player??
I can Elevate from other players because i have a BDS, but i cant know how to do spike with 100b?YES i saw 100b that cant know hot to spike by simply press 1-2-3-4...
PvP titles ARE Titles,all the rest is nothing, you can get titles leeching too (raptor farm,paying for runs/vanquishings/Speedbooks etc...).
I have a lot of "rare-Skin" weapons, because i think that other skins suck btw that dont make me best than another player....so i ask again for last time : what the sense to be jealous?I played a lot of game and in all games -1(GW) i've had reason to be jealous...sorry but here there is no reason..
Changing talk, i forgot to make a question : Why ppl speak bad of SF?You need Few Hours to make a perma and play with other players,make run,farm...Easy to use and easy to make, so why?I have all chars and if you ask me what i prefer i say ELEMENTALIST, i never say that perma is better...btw i have it, im ready to join UW or FOWSC, or SoO or dunno...btw i play all time Elementalist,i use it if i want farm...cant all player simply do this way?Or its hard play some Hours to make a perma???
I really dont understand, you have all to make one...you dont need waste money for elite/weapons on sin if you dont like it..just take base 70al armor a staff and daggers and you are rdy...you need 10/15 skills in total..so its not hard eh??
Tom Swift
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The scrubs have them, though. Have done so for ages. Way, way back to the "balanced" DoA tank'n'spank, probably even before that.
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By nature, people in a game want to show they have accomplished something - without the ability to show off in some way, people cease to play. Though I enjoy GW, one of its many design flaws is that ways to show what you have done are very limited.
Titles show only one at a time and then only if someone scrolls over your character in town - so they are essentially useless for this purpose.
Character level is capped at 20 - it does not work to distinguish one player from another
Weapon skins, rare minis etc are a poor way to show accomplishment but they really are the only avenue the game allows - possessing one shows you might be good at the game, happened to have a stroke of luck or, at least, played long enough to save the cash whether by farming or trading (or at least had a friend who was one of the above and gave you his stuff when he left the game).
No one claims rare skins and other aesthetic components are a good way of demonstrating accomplishment - just that it is only way ANet allows us to do so.
mrvrod
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And that is the big problem with SF,yes there may be other stuff that are also overpowered.But SF is so overpowered that playing anything else is stupid and not a choice.
People keep saying to play something else if you dont like SF but that is not a real choice. There are still people that say WoH is overpowered,but is it anywhere near SF?Of course not. |
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True but when Arduin said, "The only way for you as a player to elevate you from the scrubs, is by means of rare skins. Be it armor, weapons or mini's. Titles are a possibility too. Everyone can finish the game. And at this point most people can complete the Elite Missions. So how can a person be the 'best' in Guild Wars, PvE-wise?" I don't think he meant it was a particularly good way to show off accomplishments - only that it is really the only means the game design allows.
By nature, people in a game want to show they have accomplished something - without the ability to show off in some way, people cease to play. Though I enjoy GW, one of its many design flaws is that ways to show what you have done are very limited. Titles show only one at a time and then only if someone scrolls over your character in town - so they are essentially useless for this purpose. Character level is capped at 20 - it does not work to distinguish one player from another Weapon skins, rare minis etc are a poor way to show accomplishment but they really are the only avenue the game allows - possessing one shows you might be good at the game, happened to have a stroke of luck or, at least, played long enough to save the cash whether by farming or trading (or at least had a friend who was one of the above and gave you his stuff when he left the game). No one claims rare skins and other aesthetic components are a good way of demonstrating accomplishment - just that it is only way ANet allows us to do so. |
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If you feel the need to show your leetness to the rest of the PvE crowd, you have no idea what Role Playing is all about. If you need to show off some/any type of accomplishments, you should really check out the PvP side of GW. ........ I don't care if you're not impressed by my armor, my sword, my shield! The only one I need to impress is MYself! Damn, when did the Call of Duty crowd invade GW?
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Oh i see...so you guyz think that this game is based on "SKINS" and not on "TALENT"???
I can fail killing a Iboga lv 1, but if i have a Obsidian Edge im the best player?? I can Elevate from other players because i have a BDS, but i cant know how to do spike with 100b?YES i saw 100b that cant know hot to spike by simply press 1-2-3-4... ...... I really dont understand, you have all to make one...you dont need waste money for elite/weapons on sin if you dont like it..just take base 70al armor a staff and daggers and you are rdy...you need 10/15 skills in total..so its not hard eh?? |
But! There are people who think rare is prettiest. There are several of them in my alliance. As soon as a new weapon skin would be released (Tormented stuff, Obsidian Edge, Eternal Blade, Voltaic Spear, Bone Dragon Staff, Chaos stuff etc. they'll ditch the weapon they have been using, and go farm for the next one. Only to ditch that one when a new rare weapon is introduced.
That's why Guild Wars is about skins and aesthetics. There aren't many accomplishments left that aren't already done by the masses. Or skins that are readily available.
Of course, who am I to question those people? Maybe they indeed think the Obsidian Edge is a pretty weapon. But when some of those people spent SC FoW 7 days a week and spam the Allaince Chat with 'OMG!!!! I GOT OBBY EDGE FROM CHEST!!! and flash and ctrl-click the weapon every time I'm in a party with them, there's more than that person being glad about a pretty skin.
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I'm sorry for going terribly OT by the way
Windf0rce
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PvP titles ARE Titles,all the rest is nothing, you can get titles leeching too (raptor farm,paying for runs/vanquishings/Speedbooks etc...).
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Commander title, Red Resign days & much more. No one respects Commander title, it is a complete joke.
Hero and Gladiator also have several past stories of degenerate builds that would allow anyone regardles of skill to farm good ranks.
Even Champion, stories of match manipulation at dead hours and other expoilts (such as when leaving quickly enough didn't lower a Guild's rating but the other Guild would get Champ point for winning, etc). How about the interrupt bots too?
Codex, see Champion. Match manipul.
All in all, no title is guaranteed measure of skill in PvP or PvE. Of course there are players who are skilled and their titles show it, but there are people who got their titles (PvP too) the most degenerate ways imaginable. At most, titles serve a measure of time spent playing, dedication, and may indicate how experienced a player is in a format (hence rank discrimination etc). But the PvP titles are not any better than PvE titles... they can be just as degenerate.
Mcsnake85
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Some people indeed don't care about what other people think of them. I think at least you mrvrod got the same opinion. You think your armor is pretty, so you bought it and use it. Would that armor be 1k Ascalon armor, you would still wear it. I count myself to that crowd too.
But! There are people who think rare is prettiest. There are several of them in my alliance. As soon as a new weapon skin would be released (Tormented stuff, Obsidian Edge, Eternal Blade, Voltaic Spear, Bone Dragon Staff, Chaos stuff etc. they'll ditch the weapon they have been using, and go farm for the next one. Only to ditch that one when a new rare weapon is introduced. That's why Guild Wars is about skins and aesthetics. There aren't many accomplishments left that aren't already done by the masses. Or skins that are readily available. Of course, who am I to question those people? Maybe they indeed think the Obsidian Edge is a pretty weapon. But when some of those people spent SC FoW 7 days a week and spam the Allaince Chat with 'OMG!!!! I GOT OBBY EDGE FROM CHEST!!! and flash and ctrl-click the weapon every time I'm in a party with them, there's more than that person being glad about a pretty skin. ---- I'm sorry for going terribly OT by the way |
I try to answer :
I lover rare skin too, i have bought/found them and im using them.Im using/buying elite armor too , BTW that wasnt the point..the point was: Someone say that ppl are jealous for all those things, just anwer that ppl dont need to be jealous and no sens to be jealous because all weapons have same stats...
My Idea is that Rare skins dont prove nothing,btw they are cool and i agree.
the first thing i say posts ago was: It is the first time that i play a game with nerfs/buffs and from this start all : Jealous,QQ about SF,rare/non rare skins etc...
I just think that all you need in this game is be good in play, not good in show rare skin because rare skin can be aquired from noobs too.
And i still dont undertand whats wrong with SF or all chars?Maybe who hate SF cant use it??
Mcsnake85
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Just a quick note, titles can be just as 'tainted' in PvP as they are in PvE.
Commander title, Red Resign days & much more. No one respects Commander title, it is a complete joke. Hero and Gladiator also have several past stories of degenerate builds that would allow anyone regardles of skill to farm good ranks. Even Champion, stories of match manipulation at dead hours and other expoilts (such as when leaving quickly enough didn't lower a Guild's rating but the other Guild would get Champ point for winning, etc). How about the interrupt bots too? Codex, see Champion. Match manipul. All in all, no title is guaranteed measure of skill in PvP or PvE. Of course there are players who are skilled and their titles show it, but there are people who got their titles (PvP too) the most degenerate ways imaginable. At most, titles serve a measure of time spent playing, dedication, and may indicate how experienced a player is in a format (hence rank discrimination etc). But the PvP titles are not any better than PvE titles... they can be just as degenerate. |
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Because the only way for you as a player to elevate you from the scrubs, is by means of rare skins. Be it armor, weapons or mini's. Titles are a possibility too. Everyone can finish the game. And at this point most people can complete the Elite Missions. So how can a person be the 'best' in Guild Wars, PvE-wise?
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Character level is capped at 20 - it does not work to distinguish one player from another
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Arduin
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I just think that all you need in this game is be good in play, not good in show rare skin because rare skin can be aquired from noobs too.
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Originally Posted by Mcsnake85
Someone say that ppl are jealous for all those things, just anwer that ppl dont need to be jealous and no sens to be jealous because all weapons have same stats...
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Karate Jesus
Break out the dart board, Anet.
I'd like a skill balance today please
I'd like a skill balance today please
Marvel-Kid
Personally I'm glad they're they're buffing the War. It is in dire need of a buff. Hurray for Anet!
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Symeon
Can any Test Krewe members give us an update on their progress? Unless of course the update is today and you don't want to tell us.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Symeon
Can any Test Krewe members give us an update on their progress? Unless of course the update is today and you don't want to tell us.
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HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by 4thVariety
So it was ok to play when you were greedy for loot, but now that you had your fill, you are suddenly against it?
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Those who don't like the shitty meta and do abuse it are selfish?
So... nobody is allowed to hate the shitty meta?
Axel Zinfandel
I don't think anyone is denying that aesthetics do not equal skill. However in the masses eyes, it does. Flashier stuff means you have more money, and having more money means your better at GW, on a subconciously level.
This game gives PvEers little reason to play the game avidly, in terms of rewards. Getting experience for quests means little to nothing once your at level 20, and the gold you could easily get quicker doing a simple Bergen farm or something.
Naturally people turn to aesthetics as a way to grind, because like it or not people need grind for a MMO type game to be interesting, and will make grind if none exists.
This game gives PvEers little reason to play the game avidly, in terms of rewards. Getting experience for quests means little to nothing once your at level 20, and the gold you could easily get quicker doing a simple Bergen farm or something.
Naturally people turn to aesthetics as a way to grind, because like it or not people need grind for a MMO type game to be interesting, and will make grind if none exists.
niek2004
There is no skill update, anet will delete pvp to solve with the problems.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by niek2004
There is no skill update, anet will delete pvp to solve with the problems.
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