What do people reckon of this?
I don't know which would be better, but either Ele or Assassin primary.
Glyph of Swift
Shadowform
Stoneflesh
Armour of Earth
Dwarven Stability
Dark Escape
Shadow refuge
Shroud of Distress
does that sound like a good tanking idea? (you'd need a balth spirit on you)
Update - Thursday, February 25, 2010
Brute of Balthazar
Dzjudz
Ele can't keep up SF with 12 shadow arts and just glyph of swiftness and an enchanting weapon. You need DP or sin primary for higher SA.
gerg-nad
What SF and other skills combinations offered was doing hard mode things in very fast times with a well coordinated team. It is yet to be seen how much this update will have slowed the speed clears as alternative ways will likely be found.
For many veterans of the games the Speed Clears were the only challenge left. Doing DOA Quad run from 4-6 hours when it first came out to less than an hour was motivating or UW from 2 hours to 10 minutes was tremendous. In my opionion, takinig that away because of skill changes is demotivating.
BTW: Greens have not been worth farming for a long time, so I find that comment a bit misplaced.
For many veterans of the games the Speed Clears were the only challenge left. Doing DOA Quad run from 4-6 hours when it first came out to less than an hour was motivating or UW from 2 hours to 10 minutes was tremendous. In my opionion, takinig that away because of skill changes is demotivating.
BTW: Greens have not been worth farming for a long time, so I find that comment a bit misplaced.
Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by Brute of Balthazar
What do people reckon of this?
I don't know which would be better, but either Ele or Assassin primary. |
Phineas
I don't think Dark Paladin is trolling, I just believe that s/he is uninformed and, although I don't presume to know, it seems s/he has little experience of farming on other professions. Hopefully the guidance being provided here will be taken on board.
The update (nerfs) have made GW less fun for myself in that I see group play as worthy for accomplishing missions, but I get a crack out of trying to accomplish things as an individual. Maybe we've just been spoilt upto now with the ability to solo stuff, and I use 'solo' to include 600/smite with a passive hero. From now it seems that at least 2 humans will be required to do what previously could have been 'solo'ed. This, it must be pointed out, is good for the game overall, but maybe not to everyones' tastes.
I look forward to seeing what ingenious builds grow out of this update but for now I am off to spend a weekend with my fiancée
The update (nerfs) have made GW less fun for myself in that I see group play as worthy for accomplishing missions, but I get a crack out of trying to accomplish things as an individual. Maybe we've just been spoilt upto now with the ability to solo stuff, and I use 'solo' to include 600/smite with a passive hero. From now it seems that at least 2 humans will be required to do what previously could have been 'solo'ed. This, it must be pointed out, is good for the game overall, but maybe not to everyones' tastes.
I look forward to seeing what ingenious builds grow out of this update but for now I am off to spend a weekend with my fiancée
lishi
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Originally Posted by De Maximoff
Thank You Anet for finally nerfing SF, now Assassins have to actually play their class.
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Arkantos
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Originally Posted by thedukesd
You are wrong about the fact that Assassins will play their class. Assassins will chose other classes weapons cause it's way more easier then play their own class weapon and cause surprise the dps is higher using other classes weapons.
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shadows of hob
Seeping Wound is totally raping PvP atm, please balance this skill as soon as possible!!
Carboplatin
I hope more changes for SF are being made because the SC's are not dead not at all. I've seen it.
Tullzinski
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Originally Posted by shadows of hob
Seeping Wound is totally raping PvP atm, please balance this skill as soon as possible!! |
snaek
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Originally Posted by upier
Nah, the real shock will be for the people that need to support the assassin. Because all of a sudden you don't have guy off whom damage just bounces off, but you actually need to make sure he doesn't die.
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Xenomortis
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Originally Posted by snaek
i'm pretty sure the new blood bond will single-handedly be able to keep a (or multiple) sin(s) alive. this update will also give necs the option to run oov without sacrificing the adren gain of dark fury (by using mark of fury instead).
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I don't see why they just didn't remove the unfair condition on OotV for PvE.
As for Blood Bond: it won't single handedly keep one Assassin alive if he's taking all the damage. If the rest of your team are taking the damage instead, Blood Bond will do bugger all to save you.
It's still a very nice addition.
Lest121
Failnet strikes again, buildwars is complete............
TallDoode
You know, I am not really complaining about the update to 600/smite but I just fail to understand why Anet really cares about PvE. I can understand skill balances for PvP, but who cares if two people can solo an area? Who cares if people can run dungeons? People who want to use a runner service may miss some of the nuances in the game, but that is their choice. Why does Anet care? I played through the game with any number of toons and enjoyed it, but sometimes I just want to get to the end. So a dungeon runner, or a runner to a new area is a nice option. Sometimes I only have an hour to play so I will dual toon 600/smite with two of my accounts and head for UW alone. I dont have time to find a smiter, and get distracted a lot so being able to AFK was nice. I seldom have time to find groups, and H/H -since the H/H "steals" all your drops with loot scaling (even though we have to pay to upgrade our heros with runes and gear but that is another post for another time) makes soloing necessary in a lot of cases.
I just cant understand why Anet feels the need to "fix" something that really doesnt matter in the general sense. Having an "unfair advantage" over make-believe monsters - so what. Doing 600/smite still required a great deal of skill (at least from the 600 perspective) so I simply dont know why they needed to nerf it.
My .02... just wanted to get that off my chest in case anyone from Anet reads this and cares about a long time player's perspective. While I am not pissed off, they have just made the game a lot less enjoyable for me after I have spent a great deal of time and money in thier store with upgrades, storage slots, extra toons etc. Yes, there will be other 600/smite builds (already a new one for DTSC) but that doesnt really work for what I enjoy doing which means I wont be playing much any more, and that just plain sucks.
./tall
I just cant understand why Anet feels the need to "fix" something that really doesnt matter in the general sense. Having an "unfair advantage" over make-believe monsters - so what. Doing 600/smite still required a great deal of skill (at least from the 600 perspective) so I simply dont know why they needed to nerf it.
My .02... just wanted to get that off my chest in case anyone from Anet reads this and cares about a long time player's perspective. While I am not pissed off, they have just made the game a lot less enjoyable for me after I have spent a great deal of time and money in thier store with upgrades, storage slots, extra toons etc. Yes, there will be other 600/smite builds (already a new one for DTSC) but that doesnt really work for what I enjoy doing which means I wont be playing much any more, and that just plain sucks.
./tall
aspi
Haven't used my sin with SF yet, didn't even bother to get the skill. I still am having much fun with the scythe buid I got from this forum. Can't see why it is not fun to go sin anymore, I would say that SF took most of the fun out of the sin anyway.
Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by TallDoode
I can understand skill balances for PvP, but who cares if two people can solo an area? Who cares if people can run dungeons?
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IlikeGW
Why does PVE matter? Well for one thing most of the audience buys the game for that. For another, when farming reigns supreme, there's no group play to be had except farming. Imagine playing this game for the first time and dealing with the crap that's in it now. You get to ToA and the only people who want to help you tell you need to get lost and go spend another 20 hours making a farming build character. Then you come back and get bitched at by nerd nazi's as you learn the ropes. Damn, sounds like a great game? Some people get locked into the grind spirit of things, but what they don't understand is they're extremists sucking the casual fun out of the game.
Axeman002
As much as it dosn't seem a bad nerf its just a matter of time till people overcome this obstacle and make new builds ive done this many a time but this far into a game i just CBA...ill just play my PS3 abit more till some builds appear...if there still like snail clears then i'll just find a new game to tick me over for the next year then try GW2...but even then if that's open world its not my cuppa tea.
If farming areas fast, has been removed and ppl cant find a new SC build then you have taken away a vastly fun part of the game for > MANY < players...be prepared for a mass clearout (dont bother with the get out farmer noobz reply's)...see how quite ure game is when they go. Maybe a year ago this wudda been ok but with a new game being due a release in ''2011''...BIG GAMBLE....which i doubt is gonna pay off. im not speaking for everyone, but i think in 2 months time when people scream stuffs to expensive (its starting with ecto's already)..they may regret the QQ...just my 2c.
If farming areas fast, has been removed and ppl cant find a new SC build then you have taken away a vastly fun part of the game for > MANY < players...be prepared for a mass clearout (dont bother with the get out farmer noobz reply's)...see how quite ure game is when they go. Maybe a year ago this wudda been ok but with a new game being due a release in ''2011''...BIG GAMBLE....which i doubt is gonna pay off. im not speaking for everyone, but i think in 2 months time when people scream stuffs to expensive (its starting with ecto's already)..they may regret the QQ...just my 2c.
Diana Belevere
So..From what I understand SF is still functional? Still viable in speedclears? Uh..Doesn't this kind of make the update rather stupid if this is true? I mean whats the point of tweaking the skill if its still going to be used for what it was disliked for in the first place?
So how's 600/smite doing? Anyone came up with any ways to makeup for the damage that holy wrath was casting? Prefably looking for a solution that could be used on a hero. Running in and casting holy wrath is just annoying.
Also, Power Block nerf = lame. It didn't need nerfing. It seems like it was nerfed to appease whiney people who seemed to get PBed. (Cancel casting = yay!) Sigh. Tis depressing.
People keep calling for mesmer buffs. Considering how Anet has handled other class buffs (the creation of SF's godlyness in the first place), I'm quite scared to see them tweak the mesmer skill line. I don not have confidence in their "buffing" abilities. At this point I'd rather have them not touch anymore of the mesmer skills.
So how's 600/smite doing? Anyone came up with any ways to makeup for the damage that holy wrath was casting? Prefably looking for a solution that could be used on a hero. Running in and casting holy wrath is just annoying.
Also, Power Block nerf = lame. It didn't need nerfing. It seems like it was nerfed to appease whiney people who seemed to get PBed. (Cancel casting = yay!) Sigh. Tis depressing.
People keep calling for mesmer buffs. Considering how Anet has handled other class buffs (the creation of SF's godlyness in the first place), I'm quite scared to see them tweak the mesmer skill line. I don not have confidence in their "buffing" abilities. At this point I'd rather have them not touch anymore of the mesmer skills.
rkhanna
Tbh, some friends' guilds have already completed DoA, UW and FoW within 12 hours after the nerf...get this...using Shadow Form.
I find it a bit of a slap in the face that Obby Flesh is unusable, as is 600/Smite, but SF tanking lives.
Anet really sucks.
I find it a bit of a slap in the face that Obby Flesh is unusable, as is 600/Smite, but SF tanking lives.
Anet really sucks.
Ariovist Lynxkind
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I have some mixed feelings about the update but ultimately I am most disappointed in the lack of love for the mesmers. There isn't another core class that has gotten the shaft more than the mesmer. Very dissapointed and I hope A-net has some kind of outlook for mesmers or they might as well just delete them from the game.
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TallDoode
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Originally Posted by IlikeGW
Why does PVE matter? Well for one thing most of the audience buys the game for that. For another, when farming reigns supreme, there's no group play to be had except farming. Imagine playing this game for the first time and dealing with the crap that's in it now. You get to ToA and the only people who want to help you tell you need to get lost and go spend another 20 hours making a farming build character. Then you come back and get bitched at by nerd nazi's as you learn the ropes. Damn, sounds like a great game? Some people get locked into the grind spirit of things, but what they don't understand is they're extremists sucking the casual fun out of the game.
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By the same token, I dont see how nerfing 600/smite and/or running builds is going to make the game more enjoyable for a new player. You simply cant come into a game after it has been around five years and expect it to be the same game it was when it launched. People will just find new farming builds. No way to prevent it. Farming is what long term players do for entertainment. Doing Fort Ranik with a bunch of new players isnt.
That is why a lot of us were looking forward to GW2. Something new. Problem is that since I am a bit upset with Anet, I will probably play Diablo 3 instead of GW2 so they wont get my money again. I am probably the only one here who feels that way, but this wont solve any problems, and has just ticked off a lot of long time players (i mean, less than 24 hours of they put this in we are up to 16 pages? Wait for the weekend).
But this was a good point.
./tall
TallDoode
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So how's 600/smite doing? Anyone came up with any ways to makeup for the damage that holy wrath was casting? Prefably looking for a solution that could be used on a hero. Running in and casting holy wrath is just annoying. . |
This is only DTSC (Kurz faction farming) but it appears to work in other cases as well.
./tall
EDIT: Oh, sorry, missed the Hero thing. Not that I know of. This really only works for live players.
The-Bigz
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You guys nerfed Primal Rage. You really did these things. I had to play with it one game to make sure that my eyes weren't playing with me. You really nerfed the only half-assed could be called real elite of Warriors in PvP.
WELL GUIS AT LEAST WE HAS EPIC KD THAT DOESNT COME CLOSE TO SINS ABILITY TO KD, AND WE STILL HAS DISMEMBER +27 DAMAGE FOR ACTING LIKE WE R PRO WITH EVISC AND SHOCK LOLOLOL. WAIT LOLZ WE SHALL FRENZY DEFY PAIN FOR WIN NAO.
/sarcasm.
Edit: In before 'I USE EVISC AND IT WORKS GR34T.' Most of the GW population in casual PvP is shitter now. I just ran a bar with only Seeping Wound and Black Spider Strike -> Twisting Fangs in RA and got 25 wins straight. Point proven.
You guys nerfed Primal Rage. You really did these things. I had to play with it one game to make sure that my eyes weren't playing with me. You really nerfed the only half-assed could be called real elite of Warriors in PvP.
WELL GUIS AT LEAST WE HAS EPIC KD THAT DOESNT COME CLOSE TO SINS ABILITY TO KD, AND WE STILL HAS DISMEMBER +27 DAMAGE FOR ACTING LIKE WE R PRO WITH EVISC AND SHOCK LOLOLOL. WAIT LOLZ WE SHALL FRENZY DEFY PAIN FOR WIN NAO.
/sarcasm.
Edit: In before 'I USE EVISC AND IT WORKS GR34T.' Most of the GW population in casual PvP is shitter now. I just ran a bar with only Seeping Wound and Black Spider Strike -> Twisting Fangs in RA and got 25 wins straight. Point proven.
Martin Kerstein
In the aftermath of a new build we always keep an eye on how those changes play out and what new builds players are coming up with. We agree that Seeping Wound is too powerful, and we will tone it down later today.
Ariovist Lynxkind
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Dude, the purpose of farming green weapons is...
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reaper with no name
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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt
Just saying that there ARE options opened up by this update. Just think of the Blood Magic buffs, your Dervish could greatly benefit from them.
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wonder what everyone will do with their sins now...
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Most will either continue to use SF (though with a vastly decreased power level), or move on to other powerful assassin builds such as MSDB.
Or, they'll just delete them and make a rit, since they were only using their sin to farm.
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
As far as PvE goes, the only non-assassin weapon worth using on an assassin is a scythe. Everything else is going to be meh at best.
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I also cringe at the thought of what HB warriors with WA will do with the new demonic flesh...
Zahr Dalsk
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In the aftermath of a new build we always keep an eye on how those changes play out and what new builds players are coming up with. We agree that Seeping Wound is too powerful, and we will tone it down later today.
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Not the best sort of build, granted, but fun for Hero/Hench gameplay.
The-Bigz
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Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein
In the aftermath of a new build we always keep an eye on how those changes play out and what new builds players are coming up with. We agree that Seeping Wound is too powerful, and we will tone it down later today.
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EDIT: I used it pre-buff and have continued to use it after the buff and enjoyed it both ways.
Ugh
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I also cringe at the thought of what HB warriors with WA will do with the new demonic flesh...
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Ariovist Lynxkind
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If farming areas fast, has been removed and ppl cant find a new SC build then you have taken away a vastly fun part of the game for > MANY < players...
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Originally Posted by Axeman002
be prepared for a mass clearout (dont bother with the get out farmer noobz reply's)...see how quite ure game is when they go. Maybe a year ago this wudda been ok but with a new game being due a release in ''2011''...BIG GAMBLE....which i doubt is gonna pay off. im not speaking for everyone, but i think in 2 months time when people scream stuffs to expensive (its starting with ecto's already)..they may regret the QQ...just my 2c.
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Alex the Great
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Attention everyone! Raptor Farming, Nicholas the Traveler farming, and Boss Farming in HM is now officially impossible.
You can no longer farm:
Good luck trying to find good weapons for your heroes or trying new builds. Oh yeah, and since Sins are useless outside of perma SF (that prevents both spells and attacks prior to the nerf) and PvP, I'm officially "retiring" my sin. |
people farmed this stuff before SF sins...
Ecto farming still isn't even hard. try smite runs.
moebius+DB sins put out massive dps, and can keep up "SY" pretty wel if you go /w. Pair it with critical agility and critical defenses, and you have over 80 armour, huge dps, an ias, chance to block, and party buffs.
very useful imo...
thedukesd
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In the aftermath of a new build we always keep an eye on how those changes play out and what new builds players are coming up with. We agree that Seeping Wound is too powerful, and we will tone it down later today.
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Did the test team tryed to pvp with a paragon in all the pvp areas? I think not.
Did someone read the discusion on the feedback section? I think not. If someone would had read them some things wouldn't had hapened and maybe you would had start working on the AI witch no offense but sucks big time (even bugs are smarter then the AI).
To Chicken To Die
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Test team was sleeping?!? Isn't test team job to test the changes to make sure something is not found to be too powerfull in less then 24h after it was changed?!?
Did the test team tryed to pvp with a paragon in all the pvp areas? I think not. |
They took so long and they couldn't figure that one out?
Orry
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people farmed this stuff before SF sins...
Ecto farming still isn't even hard. try smite runs. moebius+DB sins put out massive dps, and can keep up "SY" pretty wel if you go /w. Pair it with critical agility and critical defenses, and you have over 80 armour, huge dps, an ias, chance to block, and party buffs. very useful imo... |
Jastra
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BYE BYE PERMA.
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if you had learned to use form of shadow would not be happy with the nerf ...
kade
spirit channeling is even more righteous than before ...discuss...
Abedeus
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BM -.-
if you had learned to use form of shadow would not be happy with the nerf ... |
The Josip
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Test team was sleeping?!? Isn't test team job to test the changes to make sure something is not found to be too powerfull in less then 24h after it was changed?!?
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For instance, I played Soul Twisting defensive spirit spam in Fort Aspenwood to test how it would be on PvE Rt. This current defensive spirit spam build is stronger than old RLord one, and in PvE it will only be stronger because of instant cast of spirits. This reminds me of Ether Renewal. Long time ago, it got nerfed, then recently it got buffed to even more powerful version than existed before the previous nerf, but today no one sweats about it because it's PvE only now.
So, I see 2 choices:
1. Test Krewe doesn't exist, or it doesn't test skills but plays ping pong.
2. Test Krewe really tested these skills, SAW they are overpowered, but had a motive to make it so on purpose.
Now, I know Izzy liked making things OP on purpose, I just didn't know Test Krewe works like that too. I can only assume none of them has primary mes.
Fallen Conspirator
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Attention everyone!
You can no longer farm: [*](rare) material farming (particularly feathers) |
i feather farm on my derv all the time =] close to 7 stacks in little over 2 hours.