Update - Thursday, February 25, 2010

Ariovist Lynxkind

Ariovist Lynxkind

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Lynxkind Atrium, Echovald Forest, Cantha

Death Bringers Union [DBU]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen Conspirator View Post
not true.

i feather farm on my derv all the time =] close to 7 stacks in little over 2 hours.
but you wont get 10k for a stack anymore, cause the main market died. At this post it is 370 for 10, meaning 9.25 per stack, and it is probably only going to fall

Barrage

Barrage

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein View Post
In the aftermath of a new build we always keep an eye on how those changes play out and what new builds players are coming up with. We agree that Seeping Wound is too powerful, and we will tone it down later today.
Yes, continue to kick the usefulness of my sin into the toilet.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by kade View Post
wonder what everyone will do with their sins now...
I'll be using daggers and sometimes a scythe. You know, dealing massive damage and throwing SY around. The usual.
Thanks for your concern!

instanceskiller

instanceskiller

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Myst

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein View Post
In the aftermath of a new build we always keep an eye on how those changes play out and what new builds players are coming up with. We agree that Seeping Wound is too powerful, and we will tone it down later today.
If you are doing another update, and I hope I don't sound selfish, but would it possible to fix some hero AI's? I really dislike the fact that my Xandra almost never casts destructive was glaive, and only uses Ritual lord and Soul twisting only after she summons all her spirits. I hope that you can resolve this too along with seeping wound.

Thanks

Ariovist Lynxkind

Ariovist Lynxkind

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Lynxkind Atrium, Echovald Forest, Cantha

Death Bringers Union [DBU]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by instanceskiller View Post
If you are doing another update, and I hope I don't sound selfish, but would it possible to fix some hero AI's? I really dislike the fact that my Xandra almost never casts destructive was glaive, and only uses Ritual lord and Soul twisting only after she summons all her spirits. I hope that you can resolve this too along with seeping wound.

Thanks
I have a theory behind this, and it is they have programmed the heroes with personality. 2 good examples of this are Tahl and Vekk. I run UA on Tahl, and sometimes she uses it fine, sometimes I have to micro it, just as if she is kinda moody. In the case of Vekk, a friend couldn't get him to use wards, yet Zhed used them fine.

If they do mod the hero AIs, I would like to see them keep this kinda trend, but yeah, it is crap sometimes when it affects all heroes of that class, or when there is limited ones of that class and only one is reasonably accessible (like the Rit class)

Master Ketsu

Master Ketsu

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

middle of nowhere

Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy]

R/

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elite skill. For 5...37...45 seconds, your binding rituals cost 15 less energy (minimum 10) and recharge instantly. Soul twisting ends after 1...3...3 binding ritual[s].

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elite skill. (5...37...45 seconds.) your binding rituals cost 15 less energy (minimum 10) and recharge instantly. Ends after 1...3...3 binding ritual[s].



no pvp only version
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Lex

Lex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Kerstein View Post
In the aftermath of a new build we always keep an eye on how those changes play out and what new builds players are coming up with. We agree that Seeping Wound is too powerful, and we will tone it down later today.
Please do not forget to revert nerfs done to Aggressive Refrain and Soldier's Fury as Test Krew failed at testing these changes also.

Thanks.

instanceskiller

instanceskiller

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Myst

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind View Post
I have a theory behind this, and it is they have programmed the heroes with personality. 2 good examples of this are Tahl and Vekk. I run UA on Tahl, and sometimes she uses it fine, sometimes I have to micro it, just as if she is kinda moody. In the case of Vekk, a friend couldn't get him to use wards, yet Zhed used them fine.

If they do mod the hero AIs, I would like to see them keep this kinda trend, but yeah, it is crap sometimes when it affects all heroes of that class, or when there is limited ones of that class and only one is reasonably accessible (like the Rit class)

Oh that could be an idea actually, I will have to test that with razah once I get him. Never bothered to as rt heroes didn't seem all too worthwhile. Thank you.

kupp

kupp

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Shiverpeaks

[KISS]

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Well, now that warriors have been buffed and SF sins have been obliterated to hell - I hope - I couldn't think of a better time to get back in the game. Thanks Anet, loved the update.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind View Post
I have a theory behind this, and it is they have programmed the heroes with personality.
I really hope this isn't the case.

Ariovist Lynxkind

Ariovist Lynxkind

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

Lynxkind Atrium, Echovald Forest, Cantha

Death Bringers Union [DBU]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
I really hope this isn't the case.
I have seen it happen so often with various heros that I think it is true. I mean, look at Koss and MOX's Agro Magnatism

shadows of hob

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

Rocky (Dragon)Mountains

Mo/Me

Thank you in advance, Martin Kerstein!

But please, don't make the skill totally useless again, try to make it playable, increase the recharge a bit or tone down the dmg to 20.....25.

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X View Post
Okay, all I want was a good farming build that can protect me from interrupts and spells and the ruined it.

Now then, sins are now just 100% useless in PvE now. I mean, NOTHING can farm raptors AND get good loot at the same time (and no, W/N 100 blades doesn't count due to the fact that you get crappy drops when compared to permasin build).
wow, you never did learn to play the game did you.......

Hayt

Hayt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

GMT -5

Wow, Anet ... how did you know that my Xbox 360 needed more playtime ... because (as a person who's already GWAMM'd his title character and filled his HoM with every item that I wanted) I had no goals left with Guild Wars other than to farm to buy vanity weapons and armor.

Considering you haven't provided a meaningful content update, farming was all that was left to me. Now you've killed even the small bit of fun that was remaining.

All you've done is irritate your veteran playing base who had nothing else to accomplish after spending well over 4 years on this game.

Oh, and having seen what you do as developers (and how the games old timers are treated with skill updates), don't count on a "return customer" when you push GW2....

DeVerseBakker

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2009

Valiant Knight Order

Mo/

Please make sure at the next update there isn't an accidental build that can be created like using SF in the 600 bar.. People are running Deadly paradox > Shadowform for DTSC Now it's perma spellbreaker..

Chocobo1

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

N/

Bye Seeping Wound. You will not be missed.

Edit: Nevermind, failed nerf.

Del

Del

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2009

In a van, down by the river.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if I know, ask Lynette.

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barrage View Post
Yes, continue to kick the usefulness of my sin into the toilet.
there's a difference between being useful and being overpowered.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lex View Post
Please do not forget to revert nerfs done to Aggressive Refrain and Soldier's Fury as Test Krew failed at testing these changes also.

Thanks.
you say that as if the test krewe were the ones who finalized that and put it out.

thedukesd

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by Del View Post
you say that as if the test krewe were the ones who finalized that and put it out.
test krewe don't have paragons. test krewe don't do pvp with paragons. these are facts.

Karate Jesus

Karate Jesus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Texas

Reign of Judgment [RoJ]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chocobo1 View Post
Bye Seeping Wound. You will not be missed.

Edit: Nevermind, failed nerf.
^ It's still 21 damage at 12 CS. Still incredibly powerful.

Lanier

Lanier

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

[Pink]

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to all of those who are pissed b/c of the nerfs to farming:

Please leave. You keep threatening to leave like the rest of us really care. Honestly, there is plenty of stuff to do in the game besides farm, so if you are so mad about the nerfs to farming, just leave already.

Pandora's box

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind View Post
I have seen it happen so often with various heros that I think it is true. I mean, look at Koss and MOX's Agro Magnatism
It's even worse: If you put Koss into a team with female heroe's he won't be much of a help because he's dancing all the time!

Del

Del

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2009

In a van, down by the river.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if I know, ask Lynette.

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by thedukesd View Post
test krewe don't have paragons. test krewe don't do pvp with paragons. these are facts.
Fact:
n.

1.

Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2.

1.

Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
2.

A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
3.

Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.


Don't speculate as to what is going on then try to pass it off as truth.

thedukesd

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by Del View Post
Fact:
n.

1.

Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2.

1.

Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
2.

A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
3.

Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.


Don't speculate as to what is going on than try to pass it off as truth.
Sorry but test krewe don't have paragons and don't pvp with paragons. If they had paragons they would had seen the large number of problems that a paragon has. The only thing that happened with paragons was to add even more problems.

dts720666

dts720666

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

E/Me

I'm not really into solo farming, so this nerf doesn't bother me too much, but what does bother me is the frequent statements (in various ways every time a nerf comes out) by ANet that they encourage all kinds of play in Guild Wars.

It reminds me of when Henry Ford first came out with his Model T, and it came only in black. People complained, and he said, "You can pick any color you want, as long as it's black."

ANet is saying, "You can play any way you want, as long as it's in a group."

YunSooJin

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by thedukesd View Post
Sorry but test krewe don't have paragons and don't pvp with paragons. If they had paragons they would had seen the large number of problems that a paragon has.
gosh if only anet had hired you our problems would all be solved

Del

Del

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2009

In a van, down by the river.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if I know, ask Lynette.

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by thedukesd View Post
Sorry but test krewe don't have paragons and don't pvp with paragons. If they had paragons they would had seen the large number of problems that a paragon has. The only thing that happened with paragons was to add even more problems.
Fact:
n.

1.

Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2.

1.

Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
2.

A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
3.

Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.

Don't speculate as to what is going on than try to pass it off as truth.


also, *doesn't.

rick1027

rick1027

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jester Chaos View Post


Basically they have removed any reason for the established player to carry on playing. Time to move on to a new game methinks. All there was left to do was farm now they destroyed that F*** you very much Anet

The campaigns themselves have little or no appeal left, pvp is exhausted and dull the only enjoyment i had remaining was farming now thats gone, well >Uninstall
see ya and goodbye ive been almost 5 years now and still dont need to just farm for fun i for one think it was a half decent update buty havent tried out stuff yet so not sure

Amy Awien

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by YunSooJin View Post
gosh if only anet had hired you our problems would all be solved
At least they'd have hired someone

Jester Chaos

Jester Chaos

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Guild Rocket

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanier View Post
to all of those who are pissed b/c of the nerfs to farming:

Please leave. You keep threatening to leave like the rest of us really care. Honestly, there is plenty of stuff to do in the game besides farm, so if you are so mad about the nerfs to farming, just leave already.
lol your one of the ones who never got the hang of perma eh? lmao

thedukesd

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by YunSooJin View Post
gosh if only anet had hired you our problems would all be solved
@YunSooJin So what's your problem. You can troll in other places.

@Del prove me that the test krewe has paragons and that play with paragons. Until then test krewe don't have paragons. The updates that affected paragons are the best evidence that the test krewe don't have paragons. Also the change in less then 24h with seeping wounds proves that test krewe don't really test.

Turbo Ginsu

Turbo Ginsu

I despise facebook

Join Date: Feb 2008

Australia

Meeting of the Lost Minds

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanier View Post
to all of those who are pissed b/c of the nerfs to farming:

Please leave. You keep threatening to leave like the rest of us really care. Honestly, there is plenty of stuff to do in the game besides farm, so if you are so mad about the nerfs to farming, just leave already.
See, usually you come out with some decent posts, but wtf is this crap? Pointless and just a little bit spite driven? I can only speculate.

Thing is, I have 4 kids in r/l, and I can tell you this: When they're having a temper tantrum, the best way to respond is to not respond at all..Any attention to a tantrum-chucker is good attention. So please, mods, delete the useless "I r ganna quit now coz QQQQ!!!", and then go through and do the same for the "Yooz SF gits can bugger off now, nerr-nerr!!!" posts.

And folks, for gods sake, ignore tantrums with the giggles they deserve..We need to start keeping these threads a bit more OT. I'd rather pick through 3 good pages than 300 fight clubs.

Del

Del

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2009

In a van, down by the river.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if I know, ask Lynette.

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by thedukesd View Post
@Del prove me that the test krewe has paragons and that play with paragons. Until then test krewe don't have paragons. The updates that affected paragons are the best evidence that the test krewe don't have paragons. Also the change in less then 24h with seeping wounds proves that test krewe don't really test.
I don't have to prove anything. It's calling having the common sense to not go around spewing bullshit when i have no actual proof to support my claim.

Jester Chaos

Jester Chaos

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Guild Rocket

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arduin View Post
Well, I am quite enjoying making new builds. But that's just me.
actually thats a bloody good point.

but they will just get nerfed again in 6 months and i doubt i would be able to leave gw now anyway

its too ingrained in my psyche
*bibble*

Jester Chaos

Jester Chaos

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Guild Rocket

N/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Turbo Ginsu View Post
See, usually you come out with some decent posts, but wtf is this crap? Pointless and just a little bit spite driven? I can only speculate.

Thing is, I have 4 kids in r/l, and I can tell you this: When they're having a temper tantrum, the best way to respond is to not respond at all..Any attention to a tantrum-chucker is good attention. So please, mods, delete the useless "I r ganna quit now coz QQQQ!!!", and then go through and do the same for the "Yooz SF gits can bugger off now, nerr-nerr!!!" posts.

And folks, for gods sake, ignore tantrums with the giggles they deserve..We need to start keeping these threads a bit more OT. I'd rather pick through 3 good pages than 300 fight clubs.
I agree and tbh we all are gonna react to these nerfs differently, but surely those of us who feel we have been given a raw deal by anet are allowed to express just a much as the gloaters who feel that SF farming deserved to be destroyed, although in reality sf farming is still a viable option.

just takes a little thought

Ugh

Ugh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2009

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by dts720666
I'm not really into solo farming, so this nerf doesn't bother me too much, but what does bother me is the frequent statements (in various ways every time a nerf comes out) by ANet that they encourage all kinds of play in Guild Wars.

It reminds me of when Henry Ford first came out with his Model T, and it came only in black. People complained, and he said, "You can pick any color you want, as long as it's black."

ANet is saying, "You can play any way you want, as long as it's in a group."
Except SF was used as much (if not more) in team play as it was in solo.
OF was mostly used in teams.
600/Smite is debatable.

And Anet is fine with minor solo farming builds:
Quote:
Originally Posted by guildwars.com
Casual farming is fine.
Just not gamebreaking team ones:
Quote:
Originally Posted by guildwars.com
endgame content should not be completed so easily or so quickly that it becomes trivialized.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jester Chaos
lol your one of the ones who never got the hang of perma eh? lmao
It was difficult to perma. No seriously, it was. Seriously. :|

Regulus X

Regulus X

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

N/A

D/W

To all you SF Farmers/Lovers: LOLOLOL Your build got dropped like a hawt potato! LOLOLOL

To all you SF haters: LOLOLOL They made all the ectos they needed, and they'll prolly be quittin' soon. LOLOLOL

In conclusion: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Jennie

Jennie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Newfoundland, Canada

The City Below [Down]

R/Rt

Well... I must say I am very disappointed but excited in the same breath. I am looking forward to seeing the innovative builds that people come up with and the new ways people discover to farm. I am disappointed that the current builds are basically shot to peices but there are some really amazing players out there who will come up with something else.

Elephantaliste

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

adblockplus.or

what was this small update about ? (just right now)

YunSooJin

YunSooJin

Pyromaniac

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by thedukesd View Post
@YunSooJin So what's your problem. You can troll in other places.

@Del prove me that the test krewe has paragons and that play with paragons. Until then test krewe don't have paragons. The updates that affected paragons are the best evidence that the test krewe don't have paragons. Also the change in less then 24h with seeping wounds proves that test krewe don't really test.
my problem? you're an idiot claiming that there's no paragons in test krewe, because anet didnt make any changes that jived with your little pet crusade. that's my problem.

any other questions?

Phaern Majes

Phaern Majes

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2005

Anywhere but up

The Panserbjorne [ROAR]

R/Mo

Fact, I am drunk. Seriously, drunk.