Upcoming GW:B Work

aside from me being not good, full hero teams wont harm much, pugs are mostly dead, and the pugs i see are worse than i am

then the economy cant be harmed much, i mean, ambraces is something far beyond me, and that wont change

and prices always will be made by players, if prices go low, the people farming all day, and everyday, will have another goal to get more money

but i doubt full hero teams will affect that
farmers mostly stay farmers, as they dont do much else (not all, just real farmers)

i also think full hero teams will only help the bad pugs/players and give everyone another reason to play (even the ones who left), if they like to make builds on their heroes and try them out, otherwise it wont change anything

people have their own ways of playing a game, and those who want solo (no other players with them) go solo, and those who want team, go teams, either pugs or friends/guilds teams

what does it change?
it only makes the unhappy/not-so-happy people happy/happier
it cant make anyone sad, unless they hoped it wouldnt come so that people gotta struggle getting good teams while they go and steamroll through the game

1 more thing, try making heroes builds without using pvx ones, or changing a few skills so it still will be the same, that'll make people not as good as when they use pvx (which is the cause of nerfs mostly, and which changes the ingame economy)

also dont ask any help or ideas for builds, just start from scratch without thinking about the ones you used, that'll make full hero teams more welcome
but then most people say: "i made it myself" or "i made my own version without looking at pvx"

Players using 7 Heros in DA will have no effect on armbrace price since SC with 8 humans will still account for the vast majority of runs being made.

It won't hurt the economy since the economy cant really be hurt much more. Prices of every item bar a few weapon skins are miniscule in comparison to pre-sc/HM days. That also goes for Weapons Mods, Insignias, Runes, Inscriptions etc

I'm not complaining about it since theres always been ways to make money and its not really that important if you don't need e-peen. It just means everyone can have the armor/weapons setup that they like without too much effort and that does not bother me in the least.

7 Heros wont change the price of anything at all, it will just allow some of us to play whatever builds we like. My own personal Zoo Crew ftw

i don't mind if someone only wants to play solo. however, i do mind if someone wants to play solo and expects to be able to clear every single area. this is exactly what's wrong with gw: people are expecting to be able to 100% gw solo, which upsets the balance for real-human teams (lol what balance?).

i'm not sure why a pve'r would feel entitled that they need to 100% pve through solo play. well actually i do, because they're treating gw pve like an offline single-player game, when in reality gw pve was meant to be an online multi-player game. you don't see a pvp'r who enjoys playing ra complaining that he can't enter a gvg by himself.

as much as gw wants to try to advertise "go with a friend or with a hero", its a near-impossible feat to expect to 100% the game completely solo and maintain balance within the game. gw has become so far from balanced its silly really. 7 heroes will further break a broken game, but at this point it doesn't even really matter anymore.


tldr; will 7 heroes further break the game? yes. does it matter? no.

bring on 7 heroes already. the new trolling opportunities will be delicious.

how can it break a game where people already do stuff alone?
it only could break the game if GW has no possibility to do anything alone
meaning they should remove heroes and henchies, so that we're forced to play with pugs

and i doubt people will stay that way

why do you think GW2 will mostly be solo-able? because people then have the freedom to choose what they want, solo or multiplayer

if people doesnt like that, then they shouldn't play it at all

i dont like to keep trying to tell people its not hurting the game itself
but anet just gives us those choices
be happy that people can choose, cuz if we couldnt, alot more would have left by now, and more would leave every single day

fixed. i don't think you understood my post at all.

choice can be deceptive (can't think of a better word right now). for example, gw has great skills and it has horrible skills. people have the choice to customize the build the way they want. do you really think they'll choose the horrible skills over the great skills?

Hilariously, in PuGs all around the game, people do. I'd say a lot of players just don't know better.

Seeing as many people think that it's still the best to tank 'n spank, taking skills like endure pain... yeah, I'm sure they'll either go to pvxwiki and copy-paste builds or will design their own terrible builds.

no, but there are people who just cant use good skills the way they should be used, and there's people who can make good use of bad skills

shadow form always was bad by itself, but with the other skills, it became better... just an example

my point was that 7 heroes cant break the game, or break the game further
its just that people use pvx, and a few of em make those builds, without that, people would be busy with 7 heroes to make good enough builds
so thx to pvx, people can do much more, without people sharing the builds, most skills wouldn't be overpowered, so heroes would be worth less

i'd like to know what you call is broken

(too bad my english isnt very good, else i could make my point in 1 post, although, the people i know DO understand me)

anyway, i dont see a way 7 heroes could kill the game, as people play how they want anyway
getting sick of heroes? then they use pugs/friend/guilds groups, or simply quit, as most have done that by now

like a week ago, another gw friend left the game, before i lose everyone in gw, i hope to be able to get 7 heroes to use

i dunno, i doubt they'll do it
i think they made the survey as distraction, just to give us other stuff than full hero teams
maybe they dont wanna do much more programming, or wanna keep those elite places for those so called "elite" players

sry Anet, its just my thoughts..... no offense, just lost hope again

Try thinking of the full hero party as adding some flavor to a game that has become bland over time.

In PvE you still need a little bit of skill to win. If you suck at GW, 4 more heros wont make you a winner. A full hero party would only make things slightly easier. The most important advantage of the full hero party is being able to unleash the full potential of your favorite hero/team builds. Basically, it would let you play GW the way you want to.

Then there is the economy. SCs, running, farming, and trading are how most people in GW make money. None of those use heros(for the most part), so it wont effect those things. One of the best ways to stimulate an economy is to increase spending. If everyone gets 4 more heros to use, you can bet people are going to spend alot runeing heros and giving them weapons. So, I can only see an upside to the economy.

Ok, considering that this thread is still being actively posted in, and that we've heard several new things since I originally posted it, it's probably time for me to update it.

So, help me out. What should I add to the original post in this thread so that it can sort of sum up the majority of what we've heard/discussed?

A request for a preview of ... well ...anything.

Also about opinions on upcoming Beyond content and 7 heroes, i think mods want ppl to post in "Guild Wars - War in Kryta Survey | ArenaNet" .
Since well, they deleted 2 posts there cause i was pointing out stuff in this post. (not that i mind or anything)

7 heroes would trivialise currently solo-content.
Seriously, I cannot comprehend how any who can consider themselves a decent player could fail Slaver's Exile Hard Mode with 7 heroes at their disposal. The hero builds available right now (Spirits, strong Mesmer shutdown, etc) are so strong that I cannot see these areas being difficult.
The new challenge would be in the Domain of Anguish and all that'd happen there is the most broken area of the game would be beaten by the most broken shit the player can run.

Whilst PvE would be trivialised for the better players, the bad players will still fail and will join PUGs in an effort to get things done. PUGs will still suck.
The economy would largely be uneffected. Prices may rise slightly as people equip more heroes but they'll drop again after a little while. I can't see the price of braces dropping too much, but some dungeon chest items may fall a little bit as lots of people decide they can solo these areas, although I think SCs would still be the determining factor there.

7 heroes would open a lot of doors for creativity for the solo player though. I'm not sure if we'll see similar one-dimensional hero team builds to what we have now, but I'm worried we might. Current limitations on the professions of heroes may prevent that.


As for the other stuff mentioned in the OP.
Don't introduce more consumables, we don't need them. They're bad for the game.
New items are nice - there's no problem in pandering to a player's vanity and new weapons are a decent reward mechanism I think. Just be careful of excessive grind.
Add to existing fesitivals, don't add new ones. I have no wish to see another festival (we have enough) but we've had the same stuff in the current ones for years on end with very little variety. It would also cut much more into your limited development time and you have better stuff to be getting on with.
Dervish updates are largely unnecessary, but I get why you're doing it. But really, just nerf the Assassin and Warrior so the competing builds are less competetive against the Dervish.
The Paragon is probably a worse can of worms to open up than the Dervish. It's a shame the delete button won't work without unprecedented lashback.

Do new lore stuff. It's a nice way to add content since you already have a setting. Just remember to make it accessible and don't gimp the player's team like what happened with the War in Kryta.
But please, please, please make this cool stuff repeatable. I'm sad because I can no longer go back to some of the WiK missions on my Nec to test various ideas there. The bounties just aren't on the same level. Also, don't throw in terrible retcons (see the entirety of Nightfall).

Keiran should get his own damn pies, candles, booze and whatnot. Also less unnecessary walkings to Dakutu and back only to see dialogs and 0 action. Because of these things i don't want to start WiK on any other character.

I didn't want to delve too much into the realms of how they could have better implemented the new content.
But yes, the all the running around just to get things started felt somewhat retarded.

1) I agree, as much as I would like to see more festivals, this is the same reason I wouldnt want more festivals implemented. There is ALOT we would all like to see in the near future and this isnt at the top the list.

2) I disagree, the dervish could use some love. I think the warrior is just about where it should be. The assassin on the otherhand could use some careful rebalancing. The paragon could be balanced easier than it would appear. There have been some really good(and terrible) ideas on how to balance the paragon suggested on guru already. So I think its possible.

Proof of what?

Your asking for the unatainable and untested.

We are on a gaming forum posting opinion on a hypothetical situation based on subjective experience.Right or wrong...seriously?Asking for proof on personal opinion is the biggest cop out on the interwebs

Where's your proof?

Wowza.

I forgot the forum is serious and angry business.

Agreed.


Great post and I definitely rethought a few key points after that.

Cheers.

Totally agree.

Not sure why anyone would want to turn GW into Dragon Age as opposed to actually playing an offline RPG and saving bandwidth.

But... but... but I like my single player GW with integrated IRC chat!

You) The Economy will suffer
Poster) Why?
You) LOL, If you don't understand then I can't be arsed explaining

I wasn't asking for the anything unatainable or empirical I was merely asked for some backup reasoning as to why you thought the economy would be wrecked.

As for my proof, I gave my reasoning as to why i didnt think the economy would be effected in an answer to Skye Marins post.

but tbh who cares anymore

I don't want to drag this thread down that route, but my opinion on the matter is that the only balancing tool needed right now is the nerf-hammer. Then you can sensibly talk about altering the Derv.
Right now, more power creep won't really fix anything. There are several other threads where this is discussed in much greater lengththan I am willing to go to here (although the productivity of them is questionable).
The Paragon is nastier than the Derv for balance reasons due to how shouts are treated in the game. Enchantments have a very weak structure built up around them, revolving purely on removals. Shouts only have two counters and two punishment skills, all introduced in NF and EotN as a result of the Paragon's introduction. The game really cannot sensibly support such a thing without some horrible balance issues.

I find most skill nerfing to be boring, unless its something like Ursan or SF. Its more challenging and exciting to get power creep, which seems to be the way Anet wants to go. Regardless of how it gets done, I think skill balancing should take priority over GW:B content like new festivals.

A large amount of new players and some old ones, feel that the game is to difficult and want more heros to do everything for them.
So to sum up the majority......
" Me Buy game."
"Me Think game needs change, cause, Me say so."
"Me no need to give reasons cause, Everyone agrees with ME"
"Me paying customer,Me want change now,Where my change??"

It also kills the game. As unfun it may seem, as horrible as it may be and as unnecessary it may look, it is a necessary step if the PvE game is to remain healthy. Constant power creep destroys any reward structure the game may have (this is basically what's happened to Guild Wars PvE). One does not help a broken game by breaking it further.

PvE players are typically opposed to nerfs and any sense of PvE balance. There are essentially two types of PvE player; more casual ones just looking to play the game and have fun and the more dedicated title grinder or farmer. Any nerf that affects the casual player scales down their power output and sets them back in character development, anything that doesn't affect them they either don't notice or don't care about but they will generally not appreciate why they're necessary. For more dedicated players looking to simply grind titles and achievements, nerfs slow them down and they'll vehemently attack the nerfs and defend the old builds they used.
But if constant power creep is all you get, then all sense of achievement and reward is utterly destroyed.

You have a valid point and I agree, mostly. Yes, some nerfing improves the overall balance of the game and keeps HM end game content challenging. Power creep, unchecked, makes the game too easy.

But, throwing the nerf bat at alot of the skills is just as bad as buffing them. Ultimately its a yin and yang of buffs and nerfs that helps balance. You cant really pick one or the other. In a game with as many skill combinations to balance as GW has, it will always be broken and always need constant skill updates. I like that the game is "broken". Balanced never changing skills would be too boring to play for 5 years.

I'll take a hefty monster buff with my full hero party, please! I dont mind if they make the game harder(I encourage it), I just want 7 goram heros!

Why do I want them? Personal preference, playstyle, convenience, new build possibilities, henchies suck, and well... I got'em, might as well use'em. Oh, and if could have 6 heros out at once, I just might find that froggy scepter I used on a hero and cant find now.

They can't make a lot of content harder because two campaigns don't natively have them. And I'll take nerfs to power creep, not buffs to monsters. All an enemy buff accomplishes is further dependency on said power creep.

This I can agree with, give the bad players 7 heros if you need Anet, just make the rest of the PvE more hard. (maybe All mobs are turned into WiK type Mobs)
Ya this game is old it needs change, I can agree with people on that, but dumbing it down and making it more a cake walk is not the way to go.
Make it more difficult Anet youll get more fans of that, then making it more of a heroway Autopilot.

ANYWAYS lets turn this topic away from 7 heros jokefest thats going on and disscuss this new little info from Guildwars.com

Quote:

the next chapter in Guild Wars Beyond, “Crisis in Cantha”—it’s not really named this…at least not yet.

Hmmmmm Gw:B Work In CanthaCant wait

Even if it never ends up happening, I still maintain my opinion that I cant wait for the *possibility* of it coming to GW.

The discussion is going to be completely unavoidable if it has been mentioned by even just one person working at Anet, as far over 75% of the people playing GW1 want it to happen.

Because those people still find GW better to play than Dragon Age maybe.

I would fully support an offline single player version of GW with 7 heroes anyday.

I dont play games, online or offline to play with other players, I play them because they are games and meant to be fun and enjoyable.

The only time I play with other players is when I am playing against them in PVP. If its just fighting monsters and AI, then other people serve absolutely no required purpose.

well dunno where you pulled 75% of players want autopilot pve with 7 Heros.
Damn near every player in game if talked to about this laughed there face of........did u get this 75% from people in pre searing or shing jea island?
Say what you guys want but I just see it as lazyness and being bad at the game. Most players that think this is a good idea are one of the two or both.
My 2cents. So have fun dreaming all!

Maybe not 75% on the mark but a vast majority of the replies that i have seen want 7 heroes.

Why do you automatically assume that most people want 7 hero teams because it would make the game easier? There are so many reasons why 7 hero teams would be desireable that you should stop automatically assuming the motives behind people's opinions regarding this issue.

plus, the fact that anet put the 7 hero topic on the survey shows that they are considering the possibility. You make it sound like it is a dream, and nothing more.

Nowhere in this thread but in others. You really should learn to read and also not to use caps.
And for you to know, always cause you don't read, mods said to keep 7 heores discussions to this thread, so obviously it becomes a spot for it while there's many other and more updated threads about gw:b

few points:

i now doubt they add full hero teams, as they want the game more challenging and we have oppressor weapons in HoM now... or they just replaced 7 hero idea with this update

then the game wont be broken because its easy to alot, same with the so called (evil imo) ingame economy

and the game being killed if they give us full hero party? i doubt it

also a note: "a huge lot of people got sick of nerfs/challenging-way-with-skills and left the game cuz of that, dunno if it will balance the game, unless everyone leaves, then nothing will be overpowered"

now that been said, i hope people will see if from that point of view
the point is: people leave the game if they have to remake builds over and over and over again

if you dont understand that, you dont hear much from people ingame, i think

7 heroes lazyness? nah, its just adding more fun, maybe more help in my personal case, but in general its just about more fun, and less pugs


EDIT:

oh and i understand about balancing, but i dont see much of balance
most skills either become less good or they stay too strong, some skills are fine, yet people dont like them, so say they should get nerfed
or anet changes em

Hm... all sounds interesting.

All the 'missing' heroes go as follows:
From the core professions:
- 1 mesmer, so we can have 3.
- 1 elementalist, so we can one set with gear for each element.
- 2 warriors, so we can have a hammer warrior, and then 4 with all the possible combinations of strength or tactics shields, and sword or shield.

From the rest of the professions, we are missing:
- 1 Ritualist to make 3.
- 1 Assassin to make 3.
- 1 paragon to make 3.


So, from all of those... a new hero would have to be... either ritualist or mesmer, since after elementalists they are the most versatile of them all, and you can always have one more. We already have 3 elementalists, so the fourth one can wait.
For the rest, it's not really that important to get the 'missing' ones.



I wish we got a Mesmer Tengu or Dredge Ritualist.
If the new content about Cantha showed the huge tunnel dredge used to get to Cantha (by recycling the echovald-looking dungeons, for example) we could see that, and the new hero could be a Dredge.
New areas would be really hard to come by, unlike Prophecies. In Cantha there few areas only one area you cannot visit unless it is on a mission: Vizunah Square, Inner SAnctum, the Challenges, and that's mostly all.

As for 7 heroes, I already gave my opinion in the survey: I'm fine with it after they release GW2.
For now, and thanks to Steam, there are enough players to find parties in Zaishen missions.

There was a poll ages ago which saw around 85% of people voting wanting 7 heroes. Every high end PVE guild I have been in before have had just about everyone wanting 7 heroes - these being HM guilds / alliances that could manage anything in the game together without breaking a sweat.

Using 7 heroes isnt any more of an auto pilot than playing in a good group, with 3 heroes / 4 hench, or 2 people, 6 heroes, so I dont understand your irrational argument at all.

Most players who actually want 7 heroes in the game are far better players than the rubbish noobs who like to pug with a useless skill bar.

The only reason why this game is harder when pugging is because players are bad, not because heroes are any better (they arent).

An 8 human player team should always be 10x better than a 7 hero team if all the players know what they are doing, but that is rarely ever the case. I dont like failing at games due to other players being bad, I much prefer to play on my own and learn myself rather than having to rely on others.

I've played GW PVE entirely Solo for the vast majority of my time spent playing the game. The one thing that I dislike the most is having to run specific builds centred around what works well with the henchmen available. There is very little room for experimentation and fun when you have to bring along 4 henchmen with fixed skill bars.

Please enlighten us with all these threads where anet staff stated we are getting 7 heros please...
I read fine, apperently you dont listen or read well, cause if you did youd know what was said.
And ya this is the thread to disscuss autopilot/7 heros, but its also for GW:b.
I was only trying to change the topic from something that has been beaten to a pulp.
and caps?? really....??? your a riot.Must be in Bond ally.
Welll seeing that everyone else assumes everything in this forum im going to as well But w.e call me a fool and a idiot, but i think any GW player that needs or wants is having problems with PvE . but thats my 2 cents, your entitled to yours im entitled to mine. I, like the people I HAVE TALKED TO, want a harder game not a game where its essentially auto pilot with 7 heros with more efficient builds.I mean PvE is very much a cake walk right now so what will 7 heros do but dumb it down........and some of you guys refuse to see that. Yes I agree it will be cool to screw with the bars and combos you can come up with. But when you do that your basically looking for the best bars that have good synergy and kill the fastest which----> makes its faster---->easier-----> and less work on your part. (Easier)
and what you new players fail to realize (dunno if you are one but im saying to everyone) That we all did it before you with heros and henchies, why should your experience be any different?
whats stopping you from using henchies????? we all did........they work fine.So using the old....PUG is dead thing doesnt fit for me. heros and henchies are fine right now what is stopping your from doing that

love you all.....Kisses

Why should we? I've been playing the game since a couple of months after prophecies launched, and everything except for high end PVE has always been fully soloable and thats how I've played.

The game was designed that way from the start to be able to play solo if you cant find a full group. And in the last few days that I've been playing again, I'm seeing around a quarter of the number of players around in popular EOTN outposts.

I actually did try typing LFG for one of the ebon vanguard quests just to see what would happen. No one was interested, no player groups were forming at all for any missions. In fact the only thing that people were grouping together for was for paid HM speed clears, or runs to other outposts.

Playing with H/H, or if ever implemented 7 heroes, is no where near as lazy than paying people for speed clearing missions or runs.

Ummm, new players???

People wanting 7 heroes are mostly old players that have been playing the game for many many years now and are bored of it. This has been a major request wanted by the majority of PVE players ever since Nightfall was released.

I've already finished the game across multiple characters with H/H and am completely bored. However, 7 heroes would be very fun and interesteing to play around with my fully customised party.

Theres nothing wrong with giving players a better gaming experience. That Anet have flatly refused to allow 7 hero parties at the expense of gaming enjoyment and fun for the majority of players that would enjoy it immensely is pretty lame for a company hat is meant to be making their game as fun and enjoyable to everyone playing it as it possibly can be.

People have been playing without any heroes or henchmen and purely through pugging alone before and after heroes, so why dont you play purely by pug if thats what you want? I dont pug because people that do like to pug are usually absolutely terrible at the game and I decided many years ago not to play with them anymore.

Its not something that Anet said we will be getting (actually they initially said the exact opposite), however it is something that has already been discussed to death on every GW fansite since the release of nightfall, with a huge majority of players involved in the discussions being strongly against Anet's previous decision not to allow 7 heroes and having a very strong desire and wish to be able to fully customise a whole party using the exact skill bars that the player chooses. This has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to make the game easier, or play with an 'I win' button, it is simply that throughout the history of RPGs, having full party control in games with many skills and abilities is an extremely fun and enjoyable mechanic for many many fans of these kinds of games. Most players simply want to be able to choose and customise their whole party, and play with the skillbars and class combinations that they choose themselves, rather than being limited to the poor and unsynergetic henchmen bars, or an even worse pug players bar.

That's nice dear. Your opinion would be more credible, though, if you based it on...anything. Instead, you just call people who disagree with you shitters and try to act as though older players have a monolithic opinion. Really, you and a few other people in this thread need to stop trying to speak for the "old" players. You don't represent all of us, and certainly not me.

You also stop pretending as though every single person you've talked to is in total agreement with you. I've met people opposed to 7 heroes, but I've also talked to a great many that are actually in favor of it. You're going to have trouble finding a full team for a lot of things outside a guild, and news flash, there's no guild in existence that will always want to do exactly what you want to do exactly when you want to do it.

You want a harder game? That's lovely. That would require things like halfway decent enemy AI that can use skills properly and don't use updated skills the same way they used the version of three years ago. The only "difficulty" in PvE is fake difficulty. And if you can tell us we suck and should go play another game, then I can tell you that if you want REAL difficulty, go PvP(although there's plenty of people that will tell you HA is like PvE but that's another story, lol).

There's only one other thing in this post that needs to be addressed:

Yeah, I got by with just henchmen in the past. How is this relevant in any way, shape or form? You sound like the grandpa from the Rugrats who used to talk about how he "walked fifteeeeeen miles in the snow" for everything. It makes no difference whatsoever who things were done in the past. And if you really want to, you could still play this game with just henchmen, so how about you go do that instead of lecturing people?

DRGN nice attempt.
Anyways sorry to all if I came off as a dick, I have been told I write like a smart ass....
ok,I was not trying to come off as monolithic I was just simplely stating My opinion.
That the Majority of players Ive(ME,Not you) talked to think its a joke and not needed LEMME TYPE IN CAPS THAT THIS IS NOT EVERYONE......and to the comment about everyone in game ive talked to agrees well yes sorry to say,
yes everyone in game Ive talked to thinks so.......(my ally, local chat is off for a reason)
Anyways I guess its just me but this whole beg on a forum till you get what you want has gone so over bored over the years, and people take it way to far. I guess thats why I dissagree with the heros so much. Well besides the fact in my opinion there not needed at all. But again, im in tilted to my opinion and you yours.
And henchemen is relevent there DRGN ol buddy......because like I stated that the entire game is Hero/Henchable.......so the arguement that PUG'n is dead/cant get groups made,so we deserve 7 heros, is in my opinion not valid.
That is why I used "grandpa rugrat" as you so perfectly put it

And how many is your 'majority of players' asked? Like maybe 3-5 people ingame which says absolutely nothing? If your ally / local chat is off, then you really arent talking to a lot of GW players.

Its not begging, its players who love the game so much wishing for it to be even better. Sometimes, the players do manage to come up with great ideas and suggestion, and these even manage to make it into the game eventually.

No, actually it isnt. FoW / UW / DoA / Urgoz / Deep are NOT Hero/Henchable.

Disagree all you like, but the fact is that Anet themselves decided to put heroes into the game in the first place, this was not a player request, and it allowed the game the sell more copies and keep a lot of people interested who enjoyed solo play.

No, you are right that it isnt valid, because if it was we would have had 7 hero parties made available about halfway through the time that Factions was released. Pugs have been dead for what seems like forever now, I havnt seen anyone pugging anymore at all. Most of the pro players solo PVE, and then go to PVP to play with other people.

However, there is nothing invalid about making suggestions to improve the quality of the solo experience, when that is exactly how most people play this game.

Pretty simple really.

I freely admit I should have reinforced that my posts were based on little more than opinion and subjective experience.I have posted here long enough to know better and in that regard I apologise for any confusion of intent.

Herein lies the problem imho.

I fully agree with your mantra but there are to many factors and game parameters in question to just say "If it's fun it's ok.".Tbh many of the repercussions may be fun initially, but the end result in terms of longevity and overall effect to game players, both casual and serious, can be major.

i must reply to 1 point
if many people can and do the game hero/hench, then why would it be bad if they instead of hench use hero only? that way hench are for the ones bad at builds for their heroes and for the ones not having heroes (yet), and maybe someone likes to try to make a challenge by using hench only (in elona using just the required hero)

should they give us this, then everyone still plays their own ways, alone, with pugs, with friends, with guilds etc
also, we have much more to try out, now we have 3 heroes at a time to make good enough, then we have 7, would be much more fun

pugs arent dead, i know that, but just a few pugs are with good players, which can make it through parts, and most of the good player pugs.... have requirements, like you HAVE TO use a certain build they choose for you, or else they kick you until you got the skills for it, then you HAVE TO show certain titles/items/something else
some pugs require certain heroes

so, pugs arent dead, they just arent as nice as years ago, when people actually tried stuff together

1 of a 1000 of the pugs have good players, if you're lucky you find one, but try and get that luck
i had a pug once in a fire island mission, the last one, hell's precipice, they couldnt make it, and had 2 wipes, so they decided to "run" to the lich (which you cannot kill) near the portals and kill him

this was long ago, now most have either good guilds, or left the game
and i saw alot of people: damm, this game is boring so soon

GW needs something new, and the contents did a bit of good job, except that i saw my friends, who left gw, and they said: its not as fun as i thought (boring or annoying)

we got alot of gw players being active after we got heroes, now let us have more heroes, and the game may be active again

personally i dont care about uw,fow,doa etc, but i'd like to try builds in dungeons on NM, and then on HM
and if they enable full hero team on all places, i may actually try fow once, or more than once (as uw has too many mobs at the start already, i like to take it easy)

people ingame make the economy, heroes wont change anything, as farms go solo, mostly, and endchests may contain something valueable, but the more its worth, the less chance

wherever you use heroes, people will be happy, and those who dont like it, keep joining the people (friends, guilds or pugs) like they always did
it just gives everyone in gw the freedom and a choice how to play the game; like you did up until now, or try 7 heroes

so if they do it, we'll be free to choose how to play the game, yaaaayyyy

ps. sry i repeat some points, but i try to make my point, i hope it worked this time

Simple.
Heros were limited to 3 for a reason 7 would make any instance a calk walk compared to using 3 heros and the rest henchies.
You add another bunch of heros on there your going to be steam rolling into any instance with amazing speed and efficincy.
So you say all farmers go solo huh??
Well take a Shard of Orr run or any dungeon run...... if people make a 7 hero build that trumps the speed of shard of orr runners(or any other dungeon for that matter)
Your gonna see a abundance of people using that heroway build because itll be a easy chance at the end chest, something you can do quickly and easly by yourself and most efficient.
IE. everyone starts using this build driving down the price of bone dragon staff or whatever item you get from the Instance.
Now im not sayin this will happen im just giving one example of how 7 heros could impact the game.