Upcoming GW:B Work

Realistic? Well were talking about a game here... anyways.

Lots of things have been "dreamed of" in the technology world and a lot of higher ups (Like Bill Gates) said we'd never need more than 640kb of RAM in our computers. Look what all the "we can't or "we will never do" got us in the world (of realism)?

Stuff being planned, mentioned, said ALWAYS has the chance of happening.

Hows that for realistic thinking?

Which one, the upcoming GW:B changes or 7 heroes? Or the curious gems of wisdom about sadness in life for those who sometime think instead of just dream?

Because it's not clear to me yet. Could you please update the title to reflect the actual argument of the discussion here? This is no longer about GW:B and the upcoming changes anymore. It's a bit misleading, expecially since the actual content of the podcast is hardly being discussed, replaced by user suggestions and ideas about one specific argument that had little coverage during the interview, but obviously is significant for the playerbase.

Anyway, I'm entitled to have an opinion. You and a lot of other players here are excited, I on the other hand was not that impressed and expressed my concerns.

As always, anything differing from the mainstream is dismissed as "trolling". Sorry to have disturbed your peaceful dreaming.

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We're talking about the interview, actually, with specific content that's being freely interpreted by both parties as neither I nor the other contributors are in John's head and know exactly what he had in mind, what he's actually planning and what he really meant to say. Speaking personally, I think people are reading to much among the lines and overreacting a bit, carried away with enthusiasm. That's great, but it's not me, I tend to be more cautious. Dreaming is fine, I'm just wondering why people are "dreaming" in a thread that supposedly was for discussing upcoming GW:B changes, like the new area in Cantha, new missions, new weapon skins and such. We have a moltitude of threads discussing 7 heroes, without leading this one off topic. It's not about the game itself, 7 heroes are perfectly realistic and doable, and I'm pretty sure this will be the next big thing before GW2 is launched.

Please don't take my comments out of contex, thanks.

I'm pretty sure that by the time GW2 is released, the WHOLE GAME will be balanced so that a team of heroes can beat all the content. Including DoA, and Underworld. It's just what's realistic, since GW1 will be a ghost town. Although personally, I'd still be playing it.


Aside from heroes though, in future GW:B, I want more costumes.

My theory is they will sucker new players in with GW2, and then make them buy GW1 for the HoM bonuses after never playing GW1 before, and having them hooked on GW1 as well, after they find out wonderful of a game it is. Unlike others MMOs like WoW that use subscriptions, ANET would have already had people's money from GW2 even though they play GW1 until they are GWAMM or whatnot.

Not to say GW2 is crappy. Quite the contrary, they will love its predecessor BECAUSE they would like GW2 so much.

I think that talking about 7 heroes is perfectly applicable in this thread, but if you disagree, then make another thread.


To get back on topic, I'm curious about the future of GW:B. I wonder if we'll actually get to see Ebonhawke and the changes in Cantha/Elona before GW2 comes out. Even if GW2 is a year away, I still can't imagine the Live Team getting all of that done.

thought it was just me that didn't really understand his posts anymore.

Sure Gill, it can be a troll about a thread or whatever. But that doesn't
mean other people think totaly otherwise. They grab the chance to spread
their wishes.. and in this case the 7 hero's issue.
It is a big wish of most of us.. and sure we know that it ain't gonna be tommorow.

But maybe... just maybe by these posts.. They might think... o look this
is what they want, let us give it to them
And nothing wrong about dreaming about things you really like..
Even you must have dreams

Also wandering about the new items and new concumables.. I'm always a
fan of those things to :P
It does not always have to come with 7 to make me happy...but it would help

Two words: Dragon Gauntlets
We need a compatible shield.

This made me smile.

Then I must be the only one getting the idea that a lot of people jumped here, just gave a quick look at the list, noticed that 7 heroes were mentioned and started dreaming without even checking the Podcast.

I must be wrong, then. I apologize.

Let's leave it at that anyway. Back on topic.

Thanks for sharing my point. I don't think it's "unlikely" anyway. On the contrary, I'm pretty sure it will somehow happen - maybe closer to the realease of the sequel. I just think this Podcast is too vague about this argument and to be taken with a grain of salt - basically, what Regina said. The over-excitement didn't seem to go in this direction to me.

Nevermind. Let's move on now, please.

Ebonhakwe, totally forgot about that. Maybe we'll actually see something as Keiran's story unfolds.

Also, the canthan events are said to take place in a "new area". Wonder if that will be an entirely new area (if so, curious to see where it's located), or a new instance in some place we've already been before.

I really hope the 7 hero party comes to fruition. WiK was a headache at times using cannon fodder henchmen. I hope they don't make the same oversight with future GW:B content

Or they could fix HM. 7 Heroes aren't necessary.

WIK should've been a hint to the devs that HM is fundamentally unsound. 7 Heroes is just a band aid slapped on the wound that is power creeped monsters in HM.

Wait, you're saying HM is too hard? Good luck getting general agreement with that idea.

for me alot of NM stuff is hard, shouldn't think about HM
full hero team will help people like me, and make others happy too, as they can try out more builds in 1 team

more heroes makes it easier, as you can make your own team, anet should know by now that alot of people like that, as in gw2 you can solo most stuff
so i dont think anything is wrong with having more heroes in teams

i'm getting bored in gw most of the times, as i cant do much on my own, but 7 heroes would make me do dungeons i couldnt do before

i'm not saying it'll come, but it would be a wise step for them, to make much more people happy with gw, and then people can wait for gw2, which makes it easier for them, as maybe half of the people who wait for gw2, wont complain it takes too long, as they have 7 heroes to test in 1 team

also, if they make it, i'd like to see my 7 heroes in the guildhalls, let it just not allow to use em in gvg, like a gvg has a limit of 3, but you still can see your 7 heroes in your GH, would be nice

Only on the fora. I have leg. guardian, cartographer and vanquisher titles, so I can do HM just fine, but it's a tad too difficult for fun. NM White mantle, that's the right difficulty for me - the one where challenge and fun balance out.

No they should not fix HM so you won't need 7 hero's.

It is not just that as you say creeped monsters.. can beat those to with hench
if I must... tough a bit frustrated.
It is the fun of making your own team builds with 7 hero's which on the same
time makes things easyer but never the less Much more fun

We've been told to discount the possibility of 7 hero teams, and I have to say I'm disappointed. I never expected it to happen, but just for a moment there hope was raised.

Would have been useful even just for the WiK content where we're currently making do with one human, three heroes and two corpses.

7 heroes would be great for players like me who (cards-on-the-table) suck.

Oh, while I'm at it - let's try and keep this discussion civil, shall we? 39 flaming posts deleted in a thread this small is just not acceptable.

wow, nice post, 1 i really like
- never expected but hope was raised
- WiK is pretty hard with hench
- hench are lil at the bad side
- 7 heroes are good for those who suck at the game, or alot of parts of the game
- and you say you suck (must be sucking at playing the game)

i doubt we're family, but sound very familiar, haha


all we can do now, is hope for Anet to understand, and agree.... and make us happy to wait for gw2 with more fun in the current gw

Yeah, we don't want really good things to happen to GW1.

I'd rather see henchman AI and skillbars improved. Hard mode is pretty easy (too easy) unless in an elite area or similar. People will just merge disco and spiritway anyway.

i hope regina meant to say: dont count on it (yet)
HM is easy for alot of people, but even more people are bad at HM, i'm even bad at alot of NM, but other than that, i only see people going through HM missions with discord and/or spiritway

i use discord for a long time now, but builds simply dont make it easier for me
short: got accident, body dont work well, am slow and have absences(form of epilepsy) (for those who missed that post of mine)
in other words, i fail alot even in NM, so Hm is a nightmare for me
same with WiK, especially on HM
and i only got replies like: use (buildnames) for heroes , and (buildname) for yourself
thast all the help i got for a while, some time ago, so i left the guild/allies
noone understand what's wrong with me, which is bad to me

anyway, with that said, i cant do much on my own whatever i wanna do
i can do a few vq's which discord alone can do without me, like old ascalon (area, not the whole lands) and discord only, not from yaks, so just 3 heroes, regent valley, pockmark, plains of jarin and sunqua vale, and 1st elona mission on HM

dungeons and most other missions are impossible for me on NM
oh 1 more thing: i cant handle too much pressure, so 1 fail makes me wild from the inside and tired from the outside, all from that 1 accident

this idea of full hero teams WILL help me out, as i could make heros much better than hench in most areas, and i dont even use pvx (build wiki)
and i can try to make my own team, i have some ideas already, which is NOT spiritway, i just try discord + others (no searing flames either) just try in areas and if it dont work, i change em til i got what i want

aaannnnd, i can do dungeons on NM without any help for a change, as i never could complete anything except a few easy things even on NM

so if my dream comes true, i'll enjoy gw once again , as the ones who helped me most are gone from gw

*hoping*

the ones left in gw who know about me, agree with me

There're too many mentally handicapped players out there to seriously consider PUGing these days. Heroes x 7? /////////////////SIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It'd be a step up from henchies. We're going to take henchies over autistic players any day anyway, so they'd might as well give us access to all of our heroes seeing as there's a fricking truckload of heroes and we can only use three?

Well....yeah....obviously.

GW's AI doesn't give us many options, so we take what we can get, unless they add hero-specific skills (which would be awesome).

That would be nice. Like giving Jora the ability to turn into a bear.

giving em new skills? i doubt it, i think they rather give us the full hero option
and that example is for gw2
and giving em new skills will take longer than increase the amount of heroes from 1 player
at least i think, same with allowing heroes using pve only skills

its in most cases that increasing the amount of something, like heroes allowed in team for each player, takes less time than adding stuff to heroes, or something else in other games

i'm no coder, but i do know a little about it, and i know some people who can do
it always depends on codes, but if i think about adding skills to heroes in pve only, like nornbear or pve only skills, it'll be more work than increasing a number

i'd say as just someone who thinks it works that way: if you count on it, count on the maximum amount of heroes being increased

ps. dunno if its the same, but i work with rpgmaker 2000, and adding a team member takes 2 clicks, and if you change something like that, it takes much less time than making changes to skills

rpgmaker is easy, but GW is much more complicated, so if it goes the same way, it'll take a few days maybe to change heroes in teams, but just a bit more as its pve only, and its online, so may not make mistakes like you can do in rpgmaker, for example, which is not online

so i hope they at least try to work on that part only for the next upcoming days
that change wont need skill changes, like more buffs for mesmer, or as some said for dervish, as its a huge change, and everyone can use it

again: i dont know whether it works that way, but i think its much less work, and gw dont need buffs or nerfs that much atm, shadow form still is being used to farm, and deadly paradox is still part of that great build (is it great?)
but since SF has been changed like that, its harder, so no overfarms yet... as far as i see

it'll be overfarms if ecto's, obsidian shards and such drop to 2k or less, THEN take care of certain skills

sry, i dont try to let em hurry, but i think its better than changing skills atm, so it'll take less time than changing stuff at the same time
and i think doing that only as 1 update, will be easier for both coders/anet and servers, as it may have some bugs in it, and fixing bugs from both skill changes and full hero teams... thats too much for 1 day

sry for this long post

If HM is too easy, why not try to work on that instead of henchmen? They got a skill bar update not too long ago, they aren't as bad as they used to be.

Gah. I was really considering coming back to the game for this.

Jora is cursed and can't turn into a bear, lore-wise.

HM, save HM elite areas, was easy before spirits got buffed and i found discord build. My main is a mesmer. Balanced builds ftw if you're a rookie or can't micromanage / fail at following the build. But by 'balanced' i mean really well optimized, using everything the game has - interrupts, wards, prots, weapon spells, minions; not only pure damage and heal.

Only before you do her arc, as after blood washes blood the bear spirit gives her the ability back.

for some people HM is easy, but it seems that it isnt for most people in gw
face it, for most people playing HM in a normal way is too hard, so people need discord/spiritway heroes or other people, and solo buiilds get nerfs

now that gw is empty compared to like 2 years ago, we kinda need these heroes to join us and/or help us

i'm sure the full hero teams may not make everything easy, but at least most NM and alot of HM stuff will be doable for much more people

its not just the people who leave, but the others who leave gw cuz alot of their friends, and others who can help, are gone to other games waiting fopr gw2

if the full hero teams wont come, i bet it wont take long for others to leave... like myself

i saw someone here named Bill Clinton (lol) is 1 person who'd come back for this, and there may be much more, i bet if i tell some friends i lost in gw (who left to have fun in other games til gw2 comes) they'll be back for sure
bad thing is, i dont have their email or something, but they may read it and say the same: i'll go back to gw, now we finally have something fun again
or something like that

i hope arenanet will respond to this subject and tell us whether they do it or not, so that i know what i'll do: keep playing til they do it, or i give up the game

ps. that post of regina made me lose hope which i got from john's post
i hope they can get me back to play for real, but without help this time

I'm not against full hero teams - just an additional thing to play with, which i don't really care much about.
I just point out that it is possible to get a balanced, working h/h team that may complete every mission and vq in HM without the need to use discordspam or playing as a spiritmancer. Henchmen gotten quite new fixes some time ago and they're much better now. The trick is to use heroes as fillers for your+henchmen builds, not the other way around - if you can pick two decent hench monks in EotN, you don't need another one as a hero; in NF, however, only Mhenlo has a decent healing output, good enough for HM, so you need Tahlkora on prot and you're all happy. Another issue is exploiting the AI and using everything you have - flagging, positioning, pre-protting, warding, knocklocks.
I've pretty much h/h'ed 98% of the game with a mesmer and i had no problems with doing the same as a paragon lately. The only non-elite location where i needed another player and his heroes in HM was The Eternal Grove, though i think i might be able to do it on masters with heroes and henchmen now. Oh, and i hate cons, except for ress scrolls.

While full-heroes teams might be fun and i'm not against it, i'd rather see other GW: B stuff and more skill balancing first, especially paragons and dervishes need love now.

Its the freedom we'd get from having 7 heroes that excites me more than anything else. There'd be so many cool and interesting ways to play the game if they did that - plus I could enjoy the company of some of those heroes I dont use often enough.

Who really cares about how easy itll make the game? Its easy enough as it is if you run discord/spirtway. 7 heroes just allows us to use many different viable builds.

I'm excited to hear we will be returning to Cantha but your post kinda sums up how I feel. It's an ambitious list but to me ArenaNet is building a reputation. Not one of saying it's done when it's done; that will always belong to Blizzard in the gaming world. ArenaNet's reputation is of hype and promises but it doesn't deliver. From something that doesn't quite match the expectations (dynamic events are quest chains in disguise and they even include kill 10 rats - not the revolutionary system it was hyped to be) or it delivers very little content like they did in the last 12 months (and nerf the rewards to make you grind to create "more content" aka make you do the same thing more times for the same reward). I don't know what happened to the Live Team over the last 12 months but they were a lot more impressive on the 4th year anniversary than they are now (maybe it's the unnecessary bloat caused by the Test Krewe slowing them down - they did a horrible job catching the obviously overpowered mesmer skills).

At this rate I'm expecting to be on my second level 80 in Guild Wars 2 before I see any new content in Cantha or Elona.

I too won't be holding my breath.

woo 7 Heroes would rock!

/agree completely with this.

Lets hope that anet actually decides to impliment this.

Actually I'm pretty sure after the finishing up the Norn storyline Jora gets the ability to turn into a bear again.

well, for me the game on NM already is hard as stated before, but yes, having 7 heroes to make more builds with would make the game way better, its just that with my handicaps, it'll help me some more than hench would

so the major reason for them to do this would be to let us have more fun with making builds which sync in 1 team, and not just good builds, but also learning from your own builds, like what skills do and what skills dont work with certain other heroes

i only took discord as a last resort to get rid of me being bad, it didnt work as good as i hoped it would, but with 7 heroes in 1 team, i could actually use discord + other heroes, who use builds i make from scratch, and later i could try to get rid of discord and make my own full team

i was gonna try and make beastmaster builds for heroes, it may work out well
even though gw has bad pet support, it still could work good enough

thinking only about what team i could make makes me wanting it right now

yeah its turned into another 7 hero thread. why? its something that has been wanted in game by players currently playing and those that have left for well over 2 years now. after all this time of being told no by Anet, i would say its a big deal when the current lead developer mentions it in an interview thats hes open to the idea. to me that just means someone at Anet realizes there is no way in hell to get GW back to the days of a full human party without hero removal so may as well do something with them. i can careless about GW:B work really. i think there is other ways the merging of GW1 to GW2 should of been done, but it too late for that and really doesnt matter as Anet really doesnt listen to us anyways. if Anet is really trying to get the GW:B stuff done before GW2 is released then that says to me that GW2 is still a long way off based on the stuff they have hinted at wanting to get done along with the stuff we know they are working on in GW1. im also still on the fence about GW2, because as a person who enjoyed playing monk im not happy its been said there wont be a dedicated healer class but thats another story.

you know, this is the first time i hold myself back from saying anet's bad points, didnt say much here, but elsewhere like ingame and on other forums i did, but this whole subject gave me a sprankle of hope

however, should they not do the full hero team thing, i cant think of anything nice to think about em anymore, not for GW, maybe GW2

it may sound that this is all i want in gw, well, its true, i just got sick of doing nothing and failing at most parts of gw, and all the same things

should they do it, i will have faith in them for gw2 and beyond, and of course having fun in gw will make me happier than i am now, which is being disappointed for the game i wanted to enjoy so much, yet which i cant as most are gone, and 3 heroes + hench is what i mostly have to use, sometimes i can bother some others to help me with stuff, but i dont like that

also, my feelings will be restored, as most who know me know i cant do much, with 7 heroes i may be able to do much more than i can now (i tried, before someone says: just try it first)
and that will make me proud of myself, as i only done 2 dungeons on NM by myself, the brawling one and the snowman one
plus i can play gw without feeling bad when in HM, i just have to try harder as heroes make it easier to do HM, but now i gotta find my builds (once they done it, and If they will)

anyway, if they wont do it, i may aswell quit the game and wait for gw2, just like 60+% of the others do now, and if i find a better game which makes me happy, it COULD happen that i wont be interested in gw2 anymore, which would be bad... imo

i said it could happen, not saying it will.....

*continues hoping and dreaming til it happens *

I came back to GW in May after a 2 year break and ended up maxing 26 titles with just Heroes and Henchmen, so I'm not fussed if we ever see 7 heroes or not. Personally, 3 is enough to compete all the game's content while still having challenging areas (WiK, EotN Dungeons).

If anything, I ask for more flagging options such as formations (Line, File, Wedge, Box etc).

Would be fun to see a button that let's you swap control with one your heroes :P

I really don't see that happening. I think he meant more along the lines of giving them a hero-specific skill, or new character arcs or something. Probably nothing that awesome.