Upcoming GW:B Work

Maybe you should check if GW allowed or already allows players to
play with AI only.
Just a thought.

Well, I always agreed with 7 hero teams after GW2 release.
I can perfectly see that happening after that.


I hope all he says is not just wishful thinking. Good ideas are nothing without being implemented.

Many people play a lot of content alone in other mmos too. Sometimes it is just nice to play alone, sometimes not. Heroes are not the devil, stupid people and egoists are.

What's quite illogical is that in PvP , which is almost completly dead during half a day , you unfortunately can't use heroes anymore ...

wow, well tbh, i dont see much multiplayer if you look for random help
if you want help nowadays, you need a very helpful guild with active alliances
or a bunch of very active and helpful friends who have done everything in gw, and like to help you

getting help in gw was easy 3 years ago, but now its very hard, alot of people have left and the ones still there, are preparing for gw2 (filling HoM)
after most people were done with anything in gw, they left

a game where you gotta search anywhere to get bit of help, which is: "find a guild, they can help." you couldn't call an MMO

most people are doing HoM stuff and prefer either solo (like raptor) or with hero/hench

just a few who join me in gw
you could say gw is "SFHORPG" Searching For Help Online RPG (Role Playing Game) because you really need to be lucky to find a guild where there are people to help or join with NM stuff, or easy stuff in HM....

the guilds i once liked because there were many people to join/help me all died
h/h are used alot lately, making the game have more heroes in 1 team wont destroy the multiplayer part anymore, it would have 3 years ago, or at the start, but now it wont/cant
it would actually make the game more alive again, as people who left may return to experience 7 heroes

people who wanna go alone will do so, even with no heroes they would use henchies anyway, and no players

people who wanna go with others will also try to get human party

I help people whenever I can and I enjoy it as long as they aren't jerks and listen to me and my suggestions while I also listen to theirs. As long as they're respectful I'm happy to play with others.

P.S. I already sent you a pm offering to do PvE stuff with you so you can't really say 'nobody wants to help'.

i didnt say noone helps, as i have a few ingame who do help, i just dont like to bother the same people "friends" alot with my stuff

i was talking in general with that post
as i said : "just a few who join me in gw" while i had alot more people who helped
aside from you and another person, who's on GWO forums, just 1 person is able to help right now, but also is busy with his guild alot
i had more friends who could help, but they left gw

so plz dont feel offended
i didnt ignore you

Adding more heros to party may or may not be good.
Players who choose to play "solo" with heros may like it - through their own choice they prefer not having others.But this also has issues - new op hero builds would arise which may also get people playing solo - " why take someone else when you have what you need infront of you ? "
Some instances - say war in kryta for eg where you do nm and the hench are low level more heros are a good bonus.
Im on the line here as it doesnt really matter to me which way - i play with h/h at times for fun and other times i go with guildies but i will say if it does happen then im happy there will be new a breed of team builds that could arise.Pvxwiki would get new builds ( sadly pvx it seems is in demise , once it held a wealth of builds and now its a shadow of its former self which is a shame. ) which in the old days if a new player wanted to biew a range of builds they would be sent to pvx to have a look - last new player i sent came back and wasnt impressed and wondered if i had the site wrong.

Curious.

I always play with another player and so we have the opportunity to bring spiritway+discord.

I don't remember the last time we used it.

My main dislikes are the utter stupidity of melee hench/hero AI and the lack of skills like whirlwind attack/gdw/summon spirits/aura of holy might and the like. Those skills are almost default in any human player bar using the proper profession.

The more I think about it, I dont see how any 1 player 7 hero team build could possibly out perform 2 players and 6 heros. I need to see some really solid theorycrafting in order to change my mind.

Spiritway and Discordway is mentioned because they are currently meta. But, Discordway is(majority of cases) most effective when you have at least 6 necros spamming discord. Something you cant do by yourself and 7 heros. IMO, Spiritway would be paired better with Physicalway, Sabway, Mesmerway, or even Racway. Sure, Spirit + Disco is effective enough for most things you need to do in game. Still... you would have an advantage if you had another player for that due to PvE skills and rational thinking of a human player.

Keep in mind, we can already use 1 player and 6 heros(kind of). I cant count the times someone has asked me(or i have asked someone else) to borrow 3 heros so they could finish a vanquish no one else needs atm. All you do is zone in with your heros, leave the instance, and your heros stay with the other player. Aside from not being able to micro them, how much of an advantage would one more hero give you?

sometimes you cant get someone's heroes as everyone is busy (which is happening most of the times lately.... for me, that is)
and 1 more hero can make a big difference

then some areas cant be reached with 6 heroes when 1 leaves, like where rotscale is and other of those areas

and then i doubt anyone can help when i'm vq-ing a campaign, just to give heroes over and over again, unless they are bored, but then they better join

i rather not use melee heroes, although i like to try to make good ones
and yea, discord + spiritway wont be able to do just anything, which is why i wont use them all the time.... even though i never used spiritway, with discord i survive alot more than with sabway, thats good enough for me

and yes, pve-only skills cant be used, so it wont overpower teams... with enough balancing it wont

7 own heroes wont make everything too easy, unless someone is too good already
it will make playing the game some easier, and gives us more to try, like builds, and combo's of profs

and for the ones who sux at builds for heroes, they can use henchies
i'm not a very good build maker, but i got discord from someone, and it works better... just not good enough to help me out

so even though i'm not good at making builds, i still can try stuff with 7 of my heroes, and since its limited with professions, it cant get overpowered

a team with 2 players can be overpowered... or stronger than heroes only, as for the pve skills and the tactics of battles

so many reasons to have full hero teams as an option, anet has to think about it right now, and maybe they are..... or not

ps. john fired already? (joke) (as he made this subject so active)

I'm not offended :P, it's just a game but I did offer so saying people in this game don't help I found a bit odd. I'm not really on that much anymore since the summer's over and i'm back at college.

not much people ingame helps anymore, its "not much" because "most people" are either busy or left the game

dont worry, i'm only trying to make my point, nothing else

anyway, i'm going to get nicholas his stuff every week, if its easy enough and chat a bit with others

good luck with college

EDIT: (as noone talked anymore)

example why its needed (yep, you'll see why):

people asking others to show stones and shards and such to make people look good enough to join
it's in the stone topic funny word

the community in gw (ingame, and not all people) asks for people to join who are able to do elite areas, sry, but this game is dying even faster after that idiotic idea

non-"elite players" will leave sooner with this and the freaks or so called "elite people" will be in elite places only, but without non-"elite players" there is no elitism

i'm gonna hate that word someday..... stupid people who made themselves thi9nking they are worth more just cuz they can do stuff in no time... thx to someone who made some builds (which in most cases arent the runners)

if people copy and use some builds to be better than anyone else (what they think) and ask for people who can do areas like fow and uw, why not full hero party for the rest of the people?

sry, i kinda am gonna hate the majority of gw soon (as the good ones leave/left)
let me enjoy the game with heroes to avoid meeting up with those idiots (sry for this offensive part, if it is)

Fine with us, just use your heros you got now.
Why make the game you clearly like and others do as well, by making it even more dumb'd down and simple.
The heros we have now clearly can beat PvE with ease, so why need more heros?
To speed it up!?!?!? gimme a break

heroes dont beat pve or anything, but the pvx builds do, and a few non-copied builds
try and make some own builds without pvx or anything like it
just a few who can do/do that

i meant "let me enjoy the game with 7 heroes to avoid meeting up with those idiots (sry for this offensive part, if it is)"

so that i dont need to join any rediculous pugs

why 7 heroes?
i don't like the current community, cuz:
- people MUST use certain builds (pvx builds)
- people MUST be very good
- people MUST have certain items
- people MUST have Hard Mode unlocked

and much more reasons to be able to join a pug

reason enough for 7 hero teams

also gw is dying, but thats cuz they get bored of doing the same
getting more heroes will give us another few things to do


EDIT:

1 more thing, if they dont like 7 heroes in uw/fow/doa, let em disable heroes there, simple solution

Another reason for 7 heroes is the fun we can have putting all kinds of crazy crap on them. 7 heroes with flare only just for the hell of it to see if they can actually kill anything with that. Or whatever our sick little minds can come up with.

i take you joke about the example, but something like that could be fun
just use the weirdest skills/builds and see how they work out, maybe you make something very good

and yes, having fun with more heroes' builds in 1 team will make people happy too, but i think that reason has been said a few times already

making builds from scratch is what i'd do after i got used to 7 heroes, and after i tried other stuff with my team full of heroes
like for example.... beastmaster heroes, and see what i can do to make em more powerful with em

i'm prepared for 7 heroes already, making builds for all profs will be lots of fun

it at least will be more enjoyable than the current game with its current community, which has just a few who help, join or show something fun/nice/cool/effective, and the rest are farming and solo-ing non-stop

the only farm i do when its not hard, is nicholas the traveler

so arenanet, will you make most of us who still didnt leave gw yet happy, or will you let us bore to death with the stuff we have now, not counting the weekend and year events (double points or drops/halloween and wintersday)

unless of course they give us same hats and such from now on, but there still are nice wintersday quests

All people asking for 7 Heros
PvE has the ability for 3already with Ability to add henchies.
I've yet to see Any decent argument as too why u need a full
Hero bar.
So you don't hafta PUG? There's no
Problem with it right now....how would 7heros help?
You already have henchies to toss on.
Now lemme guess your gonna say henchies suck....
Well sorry but everyone else can use Em in PvE with no problem.
So why?aside from making everything easy as hell for you
Do you need 7 heros.
Just seems more of vanity thing for people to me.
Please stop dumb'n Guildwars down Anet

7 heroes because it would be more fun and the game is dead/dying already?

re-read the whole topic and see MUCH more reasons -_-

i give you 1 important one:

having fun making the builds

the game is dying slowly, and can die faster anyday, before it does, let em give us that, so that we have more fun

you gotta read the whole thing before posting, or do you read a few words of every post? hope not

oh, and another reason as bonus: as most people want it, like keeping the game alive as far as possible

re read what!??
Another 4 times....your just repeating yourself
Your examples of why you need another bunch of heros are not sound.
Ive taken the time to see your view but your not seeing mine.
WHY? why cant you use the henchie system and your 3 heros...
No example given in this thread makes any sense,
Whats stopping you doing this in current game. Oh lemme guess you wanna make a Sabway/ discord way (heroway) but with 7 people! But Im confused you said this

This has been said since Guildwars has come out, lemme introduce you to another thread.http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/guild-wars-not-dying-because-t10229521.html?t=10229521&highlight=guildwars+diei ng take a look on the thread start date, also if you do a search youll notice this has been sayd since day one.
So you dont like the community, so you deserve 7 heros!?!?!?SIMPLE DONT PUG THEN
what makes you more special then all the players before you that had no problem with beating PvE with heros and Henchies!?
Why do you deserve a easier way out? why cant you toss henchies on with your heros,!?!?!?!? Everyone else has....
Alot of Guildwars Players want alot of things doesnt mean it should be in game.
All in all, your posts give no solid example of why the game desperatly needs 7 heros beside the fact your bored, the game is old and PvE is to much for you.
Sorry but This is just my thought, as your intitled to your own, but just cause you cant do it doesnt mean the game needs to be changed so you can beat Nm with ease

The reason why I want 7 heroes is because it allows for more customization with team builds. Having 7 heroes would allow you to experiment with a large variety of builds and add a whole new element of strategy to the game. The elements of game strategy are part of what make the game so fun to me, so I would definitely be all for 7 heroes. Plus, from a lore/storyline standpoint, I think it would be a whole lot cooler to go around with a full party of the characters that you see in cutscenes. I know the personalities and such of the heroes far more than I do the henchies.

As you can see, my want for 7 hero teams has nothing to do with sabway/discordway (I dont use these team builds anyway...), making other super speedy and fast teams like the previous two mentioned, nor does it have anything to do with Pugs.

7 heroes will be REALLY useful though once GW2 comes out for people who want to earn things for their HoM in GW2. It will also be useful just for people who still just want to enjoy everything in GW1. That 3way the game is still playable for those looking to have some fun in GW1 and do high level content even if there is no one around to play with them.

Either way would be fine imo as long as they allow you to either bring henchies or 7 heros into UW, FoW, DoA, Urgoz, + the Deep.

Yes, making things easier, less difficult and dumb'd down.
Which is why I think its stupid and not fair for all other people that have done
there HoM,Titles and PvE in general and had no problem with the h/h's.
Bah im done with this topic
We are not going to get them anyways,

Not that I care at this point, but I think you're missing the fact that you can't take henchmen into FoW/UW/DoA/Urgoz/Deep. This is why full hero teams make sense. This wouldn't diminish coordinated guild teams, because players who coordinate with incredibly OP'd PvE skills will always trump a hero's normal skills and terrible AI.

So for those who would like to do FoW/UW/DoA/Urgoz/Deep and are tired of seeing empty districts until there is a ZB for them, or until they can get a guild group to fill all the spots, a full hero team is a very helpful idea. It's not about making the game easier, it's about making all parts of the game accessible to players. Just because you can take a full hero team into UW doesn't mean it's going to be a damn cakewalk. Dhuum doesn't just bend over and take it ya' know. It'll still be infinitely harder to coordinate hero builds and AI compared to an intelligent player/guildie. It just gives players who would like the opportunity to do it, allow them to do so on their own terms instead of being forced to run a Shadow Form Assassin.

Even if it is only for "elite" areas now made a joke by SF, there should definitely be full hero teams. The other option would of course be to allow henchmen to go into these elite areas as well. The same rule applies that real players will always trump henchmen/heros in elite areas due to OP'd PvE skills and a greater ability to coordinate real players.

Yes it will make normal missions easier if full hero teams are allowed everywhere (something I am completely against since you already have henchmen in normal areas), but if it means making elite areas more accessible in the process, then it's worth making normal areas of the game easier. That's what hard mode is for anyways.

Edit: And just so you think I'm not doing this because I want an "easier" time. I've already filled my HoM, hit GWAMM, done all elite areas multiple times, and am done with playing GW.

Rly, those are much as the lamest easy coments you can get.

You, you want 7 hero's...you are dumb.. you don't think, you only want things to be uber easy....
Good thinking m8.

Like said in the post above, there are area's you can't come with hench.
Besides that Pugs with other unknown people isn't always thet nicest time spending thing in " mine" already sparesome freetime.
More hero's gonna give you the chance to make builds which PvX get the creeps by. So much more fun for the one who make thse builds.

Its not dumb to have more fun in a game you know!!!

why did you mention sabway and discord, while i said: MAKING BUILDS
making builds from scratch, you still havent read all of my posts.... just focus

for me its a personal reason to make the game some easier, but isnt the nr1 reason, as i said
i explain once more:
i'm slow as my body doesnt work well, have absences (form of epilepsy)
and i cant concentrate, so i sometimes walk to mobs, which i shouldn't
this all came cuz of an accident years ago

^thats my personal reason^

and its not just me not liking the community, why do you think so many people left gw after HoM?
not just cuz nothing more comes, but also cuz of people like in the stone thread

also, i never said its cuz of me that they have to give it, its cuz of alooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of others too, that they would do a better job when they give us that (if you cant find those people, you really need to check your eyes)

"not fair for all other people that have done
there HoM,Titles and PvE in general"

look, games change, so if you do something with bad skills FOR EXAMPLE, like completing the game, and they buff those skills after you've done it, you cant get angry about it, as most people here (not just here) know that that stuff happens

why do you always talk like i'm the only one thinking this way?
several people left the game cuz of a certain reason which i gave
especially the reason "keeping the game alive as far as possible"

quote from an earlier post, just for you, Aba:
***the last 2 words are wrong in there, but i was typing and thinking at the same time, and thats something which also is hard for me since that accident***

anything else unclear for you? as anyone else understands me, it seems

there's 1 reason you skipped btw:
"cuz most people want it"
anet tries to make us happy, and this is something which will make us happy

ps. the reasons are there, so that they should give it to us, not that they MUST give it to us

I had a whole crap load of stuff to type....but then I realized its not worth it, We need to let this topic DIE, We all know there aint a hope in hell of it happening and keeping a thread up is not gonna change Anets mind.

I love how you know all Guildwars players.Your a riot
But Ayuhmii Shanbwa
keep your dreams up, maybe one day ull beat that beast known as Nm
bye

Anet is a company. They don't refuse to do things out of spite, as much as they don't do things "'cuz people want them".

The development process is way more complex than people think. There such a thing called "feasability" that lots of people here are ignoring. Even if in the end the whole Live Team would publicly agree on 7 heroes being a nice addition to the game, that doesn't automatically imply that they have:

- resources
- time
- personnel

to do it. Sure as the sun rising, that won't happen overnight: they're struggling to keep up with the content already in development, and 7 Heroes is yet to even reach the drawing board...

So:

- Don't get overexcited: raising your voice will hardly help your cause. I'd be surprised if anyone from the Live Team has read anything past the first few posts in this thread. I don't blame them at all, it's getting repetitive and the best argument in favor is "People want it. Gimme."
- Don't get mad. If you don't get 7 Heroes soon, it's not because Anet hates you. Patience is the key now.

Having read through this thread, these thoughts have come to mind.

-We asked for extra storage, name changing, appearance changing etc, and even though ANet maintained that they couldn't or wouldn't do it, we now have those available. Having a full hero team has been a long-time request from a section of the playerbase, so previous experience suggests that we shouldn't give up hope on it.

-Full hero teams has nothing to do with "dumbing-down pve". I'd be happy if they introduced 'hero mode', where players can have a full hero team (outside of the areas where party size is limited to 4) but the baddies are 2 or 3 levels higher than in hard mode. Anything accomplished in hero mode counts towards hard mode title tracks.

-What's wrong with wanting to do areas like UW and FoW on your own with a properly set-up full hero team? Not everyone likes the speed-clear mentality or the prospect of relying on PUGs of dubious quality, and not everyone has access to multiple accounts or the ability to run multiple accounts together.

Although I have couple of builds in mind,I am not going to cry for implementing 7 heroes.
Except for 1 mission in Nightfall,1 in Factions,SE in hm everything is doable with 3 heroes(spirit spammer,MM?,ranger/paragon for chants) (and 2-4 dumb... uhh henchmen).It is not hard it is ANNOYING:melees' suicidal instinct,casting healing/res in fire trap,healing minions/casting enchantments while retreating,sitting (and j***ing off) under the Firestorm/RoJ/...Giving AI more I will make me just as happy as if I have 7 heroes(it's 'just' changing priorities).

Should be a good read.

The argument that hero teams are overpowered is, and always has been, complete bullshit. Heroes are inherently weaker than human players in the vast majority of roles; they don't have access to PvE skills and the AI isn't capable of playing any of the best meta builds. Any kind of FW/UW/DoA heroway is still glaringly inferior compared to even PuG SC or Glaivespike teams. Thus, the complaint that 7-hero teams would be overpowered ignores the fact that an even stronger option already exists.

Full hero teams solve the problem of inconvenience, in a game with a shrinking playerbase. In terms of effectiveness, a human team running overpowered meta builds filled to the brim with PvE skills is inarguably superior, but most people don't have time or desire to stand around in DoA or ToA for half an hour looking for teams. In the case of campaign missions or other obscure areas, the situation is even more bleak; in most instances it is no longer practically feasible to wait for PuG teams, and even many PvE guilds have transitioned to doing high-end content exclusively. The idea that players should be punished just because nobody else happens to be doing the same mission or area at the same time is idiotic on its face and has nothing to do with how hard the game is or how skilled the players are.

if you dont like this topic, why still reading AND replying?

and i dont know all gw players, but most of the ones i see (in gw and forums) like to have a full hero team

and as i see, Yol gave the points where anet does listen
i wanted to take charr bags and charr salvage kits as examples, but more storage and appearance changes were asked for too.... by fans like us

and Gill, you are talking like you know exactly what anet does, and what they wont
afraid you dont know about that, sry

like:
7 Heroes is yet to even reach the drawing board...

how do you know? they were talking about it already
maybe it's in their plans, and i hope so, so just wait for THEM (Arenanet) to tell us what they will and what they wont

also, to the ones who "know" they wont do it, show where Anet said that
it wasnt in the planning when regina said so, but that doesnt mean it still isnt, it COULD BE

Well said. I dont understand how opponents of 7 heros arent crying about 2 players and 6 heros. 2 players and 6 heros will always have the potential to be more powerful than one player and 7 heros.

To me, 7 heros is more about convenience and adding some much needed flavor back into GW.

Mussst Nooot pooost.....cannnt hooold baccck
And I guess that where I have a problem with this,
your the exact example of players that do non stop QQ'n in forums demanding something from someone who owes you nothing.Ya its great Anet listens to us and all the blah blah blah blah, but some of you forget THEY DONT NEED TO. Anyways
Maybe its just me who thinks the game with H/H are fine as is and making it more simple is not the way to go. I like a challenge(even though PvE isnt much of one atm)but why do we need this?
And my answer is what the hell is wrong with H/H situation now?
Whats stopping you from doing it with H/H as we speak. For Uw/Fow/Urgoz and all other elite areas???ok I understand thatthat reason makes perfect sense
But from most of you I say its just about Vanity
Practice what you preach Ayuhmii Shanbwa
your in every page assuming you know all GW players and the fan base, and what they want.

the last part wasnt even to you, why reply?
do you talk like that in reallife?

i said with words i dont know all people in gw or these forums, how can i be clearererererer? (is a joke, in case you didnt know)

so you say that *having fun with 7 heroes* isnt as important as fow,uw and doa?

**having fun with their builds, which automatically makes em more fun than henchies, for those who like to make several builds for them, and try to combine certain builds with the rest of your team, making your own team, like myself

sounds weird to you, but games are to have fun, and a huge amount of people will have fun with 7 heroes as they can make more builds and use em together *7 heroes makes you having your own team*

i gotta rererererepeat (another joke, in case you didnt know) myself many times to make sense, why dont you just read everything well, and not "quote" a few words you dont like

i think this is my last post with answers to you, as you cant seem to understand what i say, and as you're the only one, i think i shouldnt go on
just try to read EVERYTHING and understand what i say, after that you can see why you posted wrong stuff with quotes

thats nice to see, yes, it'll give the game another thing to use for those who want it

i've made so many friends ingame which left gw a long time ago cuz of no new possibilities, so 7 heroes may bring some back, and let alot of people continue gw, which may leave gw earlier than with 7 heroes

remember, Arenanet started with this subject, and the one called John is open for it, so there is a chance they will implent this

we on the forums can say why we like to have it, and why we think it's better to do than let it die
we can give our reasons and thoughts
^most important to know^

in other words, i say what i think about it and why, not saying that i know they have to do it, but its a good move to make players happy
(and i've seen several of them who like it, ingame and on forums, not saying everyone want it)

in the end its arenanet who decides it, whether they make people happy/happier or not with this idea

Awesome, you get it now.....
But no doubt you'll continue your epic posts
On that note glad to see the forums have ignore feature

What leads you to believe the contary?

Since they definitely said it's not planned yet - and Regina confirmed this -, and we still haven't heard any news, I can safely assume nothing has changed about this topic. Nothing hints at anything different than that.

Also, again, I wonder if anyone actually listened to the Podcast (and understood something...): they were NOT talking about 7 heroes. This is one big misleading piece of information on which this whole thread is based. Stumme was questioned about it, he said it wouldn't hurt anyone, and then the interview moved on about other projects they're actually working on.

Again, trying to be realistic/optimistic. The current plans are rather extensive for such a small team already, so I don't think they want to bite more than they can chew. I'd actually be surprised if they can actually implement all those planned things - September was to see the launch of the Balance Update and also the next chapter of GW:B, which is supposed to follow the end of the Thackeray/Gwen story... - , let alone things not yet in the plans... So, even if 7 Heroes are somehow planned, it's likely a backburner project for now, and most probably postponed closer to the release of the sequel. Then, the implementation of 7 Heroes will become a top-priority, to allow people to keep playing the first game.

So, not ruling this out completely is being optimistic already...