What Kind of Builds Will you create with 7 Heroes?

You guys do know that Heros cant use PvE skills right? Yes. Which is why my LocoLadyWay build has my toon using /W just for "SY!"

Yes, we know. I posted the build a few pages back. Those Critscythers hit for 300+. I'm more concerned about when people are going to figure out that VoS boosts +damage as well. Some fairly simple maths says they don't hit for 300+.

Some fairly simple maths says they don't hit for 300+. 41 base damage * 1.41 (critical modifer) * 1.2 (customized) * 1.15 (15^50 mod) * 1.74 (AoHM) = 138 critical hit. Then this gets multiplied by 1.75 for Asuran Scan to give us 241 damage. This is before buffs such as EBSoH/SoH/Splinter Weapon/GDW/Actually using attack skills. Just considering SoH (@ +20, which is reasonably normal) and GDW, we get a final damage of 241 + (20 + 20) * 1.75 = 311 base damage.

Of course, given enemy base armor is probably around 80-90 (thank god for holy damage!) in any area worth playing, this gets cut down to around 200 base damage per strike. Still respectably high. Judge's Insight can partially avert this problem of course, probably bringing you back to around 250ish damage per hit.


As far as VoS Sins, no conditions sucks bad. Critical Scythe already precludes the usage of SY, the only other readily usable (-abusable) way to lower enemy damage to manageable levels are conditions. Past that the only thing you really have in your favour are things like ST rits and Aegis webs which are flimsy and not all that reliable without supporting factors. Then of course factor in that it requires a bit harsher attribute split and you don't have on-demand deep wound application any more. VoS Sin might kill an enemy in one or two strokes less, not a big deal when compared to the downsides.

41 base damage * 1.41 (critical modifer) * 1.2 (customized) * 1.15 (15^50 mod) * 1.74 (AoHM) = 138 critical hit. Then this gets multiplied by 1.75 for Asuran Scan to give us 241 damage. This is before buffs such as EBSoH/SoH/Splinter Weapon/GDW/Actually using attack skills. Just considering SoH (@ +20, which is reasonably normal) and GDW, we get a final damage of 241 + (20 + 20) * 1.75 = 311 base damage.

Of course, given enemy base armor is probably around 80-90 (thank god for holy damage!) in any area worth playing, this gets cut down to around 200 base damage per strike. Still respectably high. Judge's Insight can partially avert this problem of course, probably bringing you back to around 250ish damage per hit.


As far as VoS Sins, no conditions sucks bad. Critical Scythe already precludes the usage of SY, the only other readily usable (-abusable) way to lower enemy damage to manageable levels are conditions. Past that the only thing you really have in your favour are things like ST rits and Aegis webs which are flimsy and not all that reliable without supporting factors. Then of course factor in that it requires a bit harsher attribute split and you don't have on-demand deep wound application any more. VoS Sin might kill an enemy in one or two strokes less, not a big deal when compared to the downsides. they're talking about heroes

not gonna comment on if what you say is worth the effort or not, BUT
Deep wound shakes off 20% of the health of the target, BUT has a limitation: The maximum ammount of health it will lower your maximum opponents health by is 100.
So, the maximum efficiency of deep wound is met at a target with 500 health. any further and you will still only be taking 100 health from them. Check wiki if you doubt me :P And it reduces healing by 20% which is somewhat useful in areas with a lot of healing.

why do you have UA on the smiter? It won't affect the DF bonus. Just curious I haven't tested it, but if UA doesn't work with smiter's boon then it is not as worth it. It is also an energy burden to bring 2 maintained enchantments UA and SoH on the monk.

I haven't tested it, but if UA doesn't work with smiter's boon then it is not as worth it. It is also an energy burden to bring 2 maintained enchantments UA and SoH on the monk. This is the problem I saw too. Consider something that helps out (or at least doesn't hurt) on energy. Think of changing to 8 or 10 Inspiration and putting Tease as the elite. Or keep 12/12 and use Signet of Removal, since you don't have any hex removal outside of Smite Hex.

That elite can be pretty much anything you want if you take out Judge's Intervention and put in Inspiration e-management (Waste Not, Want Not, Power Drain, Leech Signet). That opens you up to Tease, Signet of Removal, Empathic Removal, Expel Hexes, Ray of Judgment, Shield of Judgment, etc.

In my eyes, that means in the Deep and Urgoz, you'll be able to fill up your party too, no? Well that's still up in the air.