What Kind of Builds Will you create with 7 Heroes?

This is the ultimate Hero setup. No, it uses Discord.

Probably something like this. Not bad. I'm not a big fan of SoGM, and I'd make a few other small changes, but mostly preferential stuff.



I like PI and Panic together, so sue me. You'll notice there's a distinct lack of Judge's Insight/SoH, and I might end up tossing that on the PI, since I already have a Channeler in the SoS. For Discord haters, I could swap out AotL on the MM and Icy Veins on the /Rt Resto. I like PoD, which turns that Necro into a complete debuffer. SS is another option but whatever.

In other words, with a few slight adjustments, this is probably what I'll try.

Not bad. I'm not a big fan of SoGM, and I'd make a few other small changes, but mostly preferential stuff. Thanks. Yes, there are quite a few optionals in there, like the resto skills on the Panic or the para skills on the Bomber.

I love PI, I used Erys Vasburg (mesmer hench with PI) on my Ferndale vanquishes to get max Kurzick and it's an amazing aoe interrupt kd. I just don't think most situations warrant two mesmers.

If I go melee myself (SY sin or something) I'd probably swap the SoGM for a RoJ with Judge's/SoH.

while i don't know how to post the funky pics basically my team will consist of the following:

Me: Defy Pain tank
Panic mesmer
WoH monk
Prot monk
Protection based spirit rit
savannah heat nuker x2
flesh golem mm This won't be near enough damage if you intend to do HM. Panic is shutdown and can provide some good damage, but then you've got 3 bars dedicated entirely to support, flesh golem is subpar for minions (humans should run AotL or OoU and heroes should run AotL/Jagged with Death Nova), and in HM 2 Fire eles are gonna just cause scatter and do small damage due to HM armor buff.

Making as few suggestions as possible, I'd try:

-Swap out your "Protection" (I'm assuming Soul Twisting) Rit for an SoS with some channeling. If you're insistent on more support, make him secondary Resto and toss in an extra PwK and either Mend Body and Soul or Spirit Light.
-Flesh Golem is bad. There are a lot of good options for MMs, so pick another one that you like, or experiment. Without a doubt, a hero minion bomber is one of the most effective hero builds. You can even go /Mo and throw in at least Aegis.
-A dedicated Prot Monk for a hero probably isn't great, because heroes don't pre-prot, just reactively prot in most instances. In other words, you're better off having a Weapon of Warding or Protective Spirit in the party carried by a hybrid plus some decent healing. I'd replace your Prot with a smiting Monk carrying Smiter's Boon and the 3 standard utility smites (Reversal of Damage, Smite Condition, Smite Hex). If you feel like you need more support out of him, you can make the elite Tease, Empathic Removal, or Signet of Removal.
-Two Eles isn't ideal, but if you love Eles, make one of them an Unsteady Ground nuker, and make one of them /N for some debuffs (Weaken Armor, I'm looking at you).

And for your build, I hate to say, but Defy Pain tanking is not great. As a Warrior, you have the potential to crank out some of the most impressive damage in the game. It seems like your whole hero build is constructed around survival, but really, the best defense is a good offense. It doesn't matter how much support you pack, if you don't kill fast enough, eventually everyone runs out of energy.

Hope it helps

There's nothing wrong with Discord if you can find something to do with it.

Thoughts on that build:

1. Strongly suggest Mark of Pain, Barbs etc on your bar instead of Enfeebling Blood and Shadow of Fear. You don't need the defense (you have two N/Rt semi-healers + 1 Rit semi-healer, 2 spirit spammers, prots on MM, etc). I'd suggest Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support instead of Necrosis as well, and to lose the Res Sig, but up to you.
2. Mesmer bar will not have enough energy. How to fix the Panic bar is something I don't know for sure myself. Best option I see right now is to make it a /Rt semi-healer as well, but then you already have 3 semi-healers so you won't need the defense.
3. You might want to bring more damage on the N/Rt semi-healers (Rising Bile, Putrid Bile and I don't know what).
4. Definitely don't run the Earthshaker Warrior. Unless (or even if) you're going to micro all those skills, what's it good for? The AI doesn't play Warriors well too. Thanks for the comments! I kept Necrosis because I thought it was basically the same as Discord and synergized well with the Discord builds. I also agree that I might have too much healing.

Any suggestions as to what to replace the warrior with?

Any suggestions as to what to replace the warrior with? If you like a "physical" in that spot, you could toss in a R/P Command Spear-chucker or a P/ using a similar build. "Stand Your Ground", Anthem of Envy, Go for the Eyes, and Find Their Weakness all come to mind. I ran a R/P with Anthem of Envy and GftE and it worked better than I expected. Also, it was pretty cool to see a Ranger with the wings.

-SHNIP- I believe your Rit and Mes will have problems with energy, other than that you'll be fine.

I believe your Rit and Mes will have problems with energy, other than that you'll be fine. Thanks, which rit? (or both?)

Thanks, which rit? (or both?) The SoS for sure. Throw in Siphon and you should be fine. As for the rest, of the build, there are a couple things id probably change if i was going to stick with your current setup. Lemme boot up my pawned and ill post it :>

Edit:
Alright, this is what i came up with for you.


10 open attribs on the mesmer and 10(or 12, really) on the SoS to alter depending on the area. Honestly, you could take those 7 heroes and condense them into 5. I think the single target damage of a Discord team is really wasted when you have so much power at your disposal, so i would change that as well

8 sos to clear fast You are aware that spirits dont stack.....?

You are aware that spirits dont stack.....? He meant Signet Of (lost) Souls.

Ironically it would still have a similar problem seeing as there are only 3 necro heroes.

Edit:
Alright, this is what i came up with for you.

10 open attribs on the mesmer and 10(or 12, really) on the SoS to alter depending on the area. Honestly, you could take those 7 heroes and condense them into 5. I think the single target damage of a Discord team is really wasted when you have so much power at your disposal, so i would change that as well Ok I've been convinced by Ebon Assassin; indeed better to have it - and AP makes it great. I prefer to keep all the curses hexes on myself though so heroes' attributes don't have to be spread too thin by entering curses. MoP and Enfeebling Blood remain my favorites.

For the changes on the necros, I never really understood why Masochism was so popular on the minion bomber. If it were a MM, then sure, it makes the minions higher leveled, but for creating minion bombs, I'm not sure the extra 2 attributes really make a difference and may actually prevent the minions from being weak and exploding.

I also don't think Foul Feast is necessary when I have 2 Mend Body and Soul's, which remove one condition for each spirit present; it was good for when there weren't the other hero slots for spirit spamming, but now we're able to run the ritualist heroes with the necros.

The ritualist changes are pretty minor; I actually did some testing and saw that the SoS ritualist was not so low on energy; heroes don't use Spirit Siphon properly anyway. The two slots free there, I might as well keep Union and Armor of Unfeeling, really for Hard Mode when the party always gets hit hard.

The real changes to contemplate are indeed the mesmer and the last slot. I'm gonna go with Chaos Storm and Power Spike over the Wastrels to solve the energy problem. Gonna do some more thinking on the Ranger/Paragon slot...

Thanks for the feedback!

EDIT: Ok this is what I'm settling with: