Update - 2/17
Khaal
So, was this supposed to improve Dervishes, or make them bass-ackwards and upside-down in a different way.
Hells Fury
Still reading through the skills changes....
How much did WE Scythe warrior suffered? Still viable?
How much did WE Scythe warrior suffered? Still viable?
mage767
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Originally Posted by skullmount4
Well its out now. As much as I was hoping it would make them better, it seems like some skill got nerfed. Scythes appear to be nerfed more now. It seems they didn't just nerf it for all other professions (sins in particular), they nerfed it for the dervishes as well. Most of the skills I normally used seem to be radically changed (maybe for the better, but it doesn't appear that for right now though). Hopefully this makes the Dervish better, but for right now, idk.
EDIT: On second thought, looking at more skills, this may make it better. I just need to try to make a new skill bar. Scythe changes still seem bad for the dervish though. |
1. Earth and Wind attributes got massive buffs. In particular, Earth, with VOS and other AOE based enchants.
2. Scythe attribute got nerfed bad. Half of the previous skills got changed to adrenaline, which is a bit too much. Secondly, MOST of the skills remove a useful derv enchant like VOS, Onslaught, (fit YOUR enchant skill here). Therefore, it discourages bringing a majority of the scythe skills. Only zealous XXXX skills save the scythe line. Most skills also do LESS damage than before.
3. Mysticism got buffed in terms of description, adding armor which is ok I guess. Avatars got buffed in terms of cost and recharge but their functionalities got nerfed. A number of scythe skills got moved to mysticism....
4. Luxon/Kurz and Sunspear skills for derv got nerfed the most. they are both useless skills now for high-speed PvE HM teams. I guess, noobs will like them because it gives instant-rez.
Dervs can no longer cause BIG SPIKES (200+) in HM. They can, however, use VoS to cause smaller spikes in increased frequency.
Overall, Derv was nerfed. Thanks ANET for permanently ruining this class. Only good job was the work on "flash enchants" but everything else was done badly. If this is what they can "accomplish" in one year..., it tells a lot about their quality of work or enthusiasm in general.
Lastly, sins/warrior can nicely abuse the new Earth line.
Yojimaru
Well, the biggest hit that WE scythe wars took was the lose of AS and AoHM. I switched out Eremite and Mystic Sweep for Counterattack and Victorious Sweep. I put in pain inverter and brawling headbutt to replace the aforementioned nerfed PvE skills, gonna miss the damage.
ensoriki
Dervishes can permanently maintain %50 movement speed,
WTB permanent %50 movement speed for my assassin please.
Lets not forget that mobs do not like to keep aggro on you when you use dash for instance so with pious assault, you'll be loosing aggro quite easily.
Easy running?
Vow of silence + 2 enchants, pious and just run? Melee's not going to keep up with you, and with permanent %50 you can strafe arrows with ease.
Anyways I love avatar of lyssa, I made a bar with no attacks, completely forgetting them because I just had fun spamming enchants O_O.
WTB permanent %50 movement speed for my assassin please.
Lets not forget that mobs do not like to keep aggro on you when you use dash for instance so with pious assault, you'll be loosing aggro quite easily.
Easy running?
Vow of silence + 2 enchants, pious and just run? Melee's not going to keep up with you, and with permanent %50 you can strafe arrows with ease.
Anyways I love avatar of lyssa, I made a bar with no attacks, completely forgetting them because I just had fun spamming enchants O_O.
kalitnrun
Overall a good change, the class was useless it needed to be changed. Gj anet
Kunder
lol guys, 8 D/W dervs with Dwanya + SY + BUH + Asuran scan. Dervs can now party heal as well or better and prot as well or better than any other class in the game, AT THE SAME TIME. Throw in conviction and you are immune to both hexes and conditions. Easiest to run noobway ever?
ChrisCo
I have a feeling that a bunch of these skills are gonna get changed again. Some just seem wayyy too powerful.
kalitnrun
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Originally Posted by Kunder
lol guys, 8 D/W dervs with Melandru + SY + BUH + Asuran scan. Dervs can now party heal as well or better and prot as well or better than any other class in the game, AT THE SAME TIME. Throw in conviction and you are immune to both hexes and conditions. Easiest to run noobway ever?
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Bobby Sox
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Originally Posted by ogre_jd
Ugh. I was looking forward to this update and playing a Dervish when I heard about Flash Enchantments - they cured the one and only reason I couldn't stand playing one. But the rest of it? I now have absolutely no desire to play a Dervish ever again - and now have to find a replacement for Melonni since she goes from being an absolute beast (dealing far more damage and killing foes faster than I've ever been able to do with any class, or get my other Heroes to do) with the Wounding Strike build I use on her to being mediocre, at best.
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For me, I think the worst of it is the overemphasis on swinging a scythe around. I never liked playing as a melee attacker for more than a few minutes at any given time and most of my dervish caster options seem to have been tossed out the window with the adrenaline costs and lowered damage on the new flash enchantments to compensate for scythe attacks. I feel like I'm playing a Warrior now with severe restrictions on diversity.
I hope Dervish enthusiasts find this update to their liking, but I pray that if they do decide to update my Paragon and Ranger one day, it won't look anything like this.
Kunder
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Originally Posted by kalitnrun
did we get the same update?...i think my update might be different from yours
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But to boil it down:
+50 party heal everytime you lose enchant
lose hex everytime you cast enchant
Entire party at just under 200 armor
Entire party chain ressing each other at full health/energy every 7.5 seconds, and getting +33% damage.
Entire party removing conditions at will.
Entire party losing 5 DP per kill.
What can seriously stop this? Keep in mind that NONE of this takes away from hitting things, these characters are all full power melee physicals that take exactly 0 time to do all of this at once.
Throw in everyone taking Sand Shards. It will do 90 AoE damage per hit 10x with BUH, per player.
chrisbendsurmind
Vow of Strength+Sand shards, fun 
already made a perfectly worked raptor farm!
WarcryOfTruth
DwG + Spirit Rift + Intensity + the Panic Mesmer resses all DwGs with BuH makes DoA super easy now gg. So lame, I thought they were wanting to slow the times down 
Arieon Ito
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Originally Posted by chrisbendsurmind
Vow of Strength+Sand shards, fun
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I might just use my Dervish as a raptor farmer now, wasn't too impressed with the hassle of the W/N farm
Steps_Descending
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Originally Posted by Chasing Squirrels
Wait why did they change pve skills?
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Xiaquin
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Originally Posted by jayson
Seems kind of odd to have a skill that removes DP when killing anything in HM removes DP already.
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AngelWJedi
i dont know if this is a bug or no. but when i was doing the quest from nf to eotn i used a golem stone and it appeared on my allie list. and a guildie said they used a summon and it too appeared on their list.
Hells Fury
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Originally Posted by Yojimaru
Well, the biggest hit that WE scythe wars took was the lose of AS and AoHM. I switched out Eremite and Mystic Sweep for Counterattack and Victorious Sweep. I put in pain inverter and brawling headbutt to replace the aforementioned nerfed PvE skills, gonna miss the damage.
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I swaped nerfed things for couterattack, victorious, i am strongest (i always run drunken master + SY).
Less damage but still effective.
Voodoo Rage
Wow, there goes all my P/D, R/D, A/D, and W/D Scythe spammers... Bunch of customized scythes heading off to heroes...
Wrath of m0o
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Originally Posted by Xiaquin
There are many players who play through DP because, well, they die a lot (even in NM). Have you ever met an Obsidian Flesh warrior in Ember Light Camp asking for help? I hope that one I did finds this useful.
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Dzjudz
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Originally Posted by Find_&_Seek
Is it just me or does no one else get the "/deaths" thing? or am I just having a blonde moment? because I'm rather confused via that one... tried gaining some XP including a mini vanq to see if its affected in any way afterwards and there's nothing in title section nor the actual command. :/
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DolyakJockey
Dervish update is out of the way.
One step closer to Winds Of Change (at least thats what i'm excited about).
One step closer to Winds Of Change (at least thats what i'm excited about).
Arieon Ito
One of the things that's jumped in my mind now is how the new Scythe mobs will be like to fight against. Like the various bosses on HM and DoA.
Getting through all the mobs on Drakkar Lake to kill Myish will probably be a completely new experience...
Getting through all the mobs on Drakkar Lake to kill Myish will probably be a completely new experience...
DiogoSilva
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Originally Posted by mage767
Overall, Derv was nerfed.
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This update is extremely good because it nerfs the hell out of scythe warriors, scythe sins and dervishes damage, while at the same time making dervishes extremely good at other things.
Dervish became an extremely versatile and fun profession, while at the same time stopped being both a OP damaging profession and a OP damaging profession obsolete by better options.
Kunder
By Urals Hammer works on Spirits. Abuse it while you can
GOGO SOS + SOGM DUO
GOGO SOS + SOGM DUO
Voodoo Rage
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Originally Posted by Arieon Ito
One of the things that's jumped in my mind now is how the new Scythe mobs will be like to fight against. Like the various bosses on HM and DoA.
Getting through all the mobs on Drakkar Lake to kill Myish will probably be a completely new experience... |
Vow of Strengh, Sand Shards, Mystic Sandstorm, Mirage Cloak. AoE nightmare!
FengShuiDove
*throws away Tormented Scythe customized to Assassin*
Onslaught is pre-nerf Primal Rage that can be removed but also doesn't need a cancel. Vow of Strength is a nearly 100% maintainable Hundred Blades with a weapon that can strike multiple times. Vow + Whirlwind will be rape.
And several others. Interesting update. Unlike Mesmer, where I could see builds popping up in my head, I think I'll just wait and see what the rest of the community makes out of this one. Should be fun.
Onslaught is pre-nerf Primal Rage that can be removed but also doesn't need a cancel. Vow of Strength is a nearly 100% maintainable Hundred Blades with a weapon that can strike multiple times. Vow + Whirlwind will be rape.
And several others. Interesting update. Unlike Mesmer, where I could see builds popping up in my head, I think I'll just wait and see what the rest of the community makes out of this one. Should be fun.
texanmann11
So since the update, my survivor died. when i typed in /deaths it now reads "You have died 1 time and have gained experience since death." Does that mean they're changing survivor to only meaning you gain 1,337,000 exp without dying and not since lvl1?
Steps_Descending
Honestly, I'd like to know what people can find bad about that update. (outside of PvE skills changes)
Anyone tested how chaos/dark melee dammage interacts with AL? Similar to holy I guess.
Anyone tested how chaos/dark melee dammage interacts with AL? Similar to holy I guess.
WarcryOfTruth
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Originally Posted by Kunder
By Urals Hammer works on Spirits. Abuse it while you can
GOGO SOS + SOGM DUO |
davehall
I'm going to assume BUH will only affect dead party members when this skill is first activated. It would be pretty funny to see the same SOB die then auto res a few moments later only to die again within the 30 second duration...even funnier to see an entire party die/res/die/repeatedly. Let's equip a full party with this skill and sit on top of the res shrine outside Ember Light Camp and see how long and how many times we can die/res as a collective group. LOL. Post it on youtube. 
Voodoo Rage
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Originally Posted by Kunder
By Urals Hammer works on Spirits. Abuse it while you can
GOGO SOS + SOGM DUO |
Kunder
Avatar of Dwanya/Heart of Fury/Sand Shards/Whirling Charge/Save Yourselves/Asuran Scan/By Urals Hammer/Intimidating Aura
That should be pretty ridiculous when you run multiples together. 8 of these output almost 100 health healed per second (just by spamming flash enchants) while under completely untouchable coverage of SY. Intimidating Aura and Asuran scan are mostly for the lulz of over the top invincibility, you can easily take more effective skills in their place and abuse BUH more without IA.
More realistically, throw in 1/2 characters covering Strength of Honor/GDW/Splinter weapon and whatever other crap you have. Perhaps have a Melandru dervish to give condition invincibility.
It works because where BUH says it only affects party members, it should say that it affects party members and allied spirits. Does not work with minions, though. Yes, this lets Anguish hit for well over 100 damage when combined with SoGM.
That should be pretty ridiculous when you run multiples together. 8 of these output almost 100 health healed per second (just by spamming flash enchants) while under completely untouchable coverage of SY. Intimidating Aura and Asuran scan are mostly for the lulz of over the top invincibility, you can easily take more effective skills in their place and abuse BUH more without IA.
More realistically, throw in 1/2 characters covering Strength of Honor/GDW/Splinter weapon and whatever other crap you have. Perhaps have a Melandru dervish to give condition invincibility.
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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage
Sorry, I'm not wrapping my brain around it just yet. How does it work with Spirits?
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go cubs
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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage
Sorry, I'm not wrapping my brain around it just yet. How does it work with Spirits?
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ensoriki
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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage
Sorry, I'm not wrapping my brain around it just yet. How does it work with Spirits?
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Such as the asura summons, summoning stones, ebon vanguard support.
They are revived and then boosted.
Can it resurrect unofficial allies though?
Like Togo, Mhenlo and other npc assistants?
WarcryOfTruth
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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage
Sorry, I'm not wrapping my brain around it just yet. How does it work with Spirits?
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ensoriki
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Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth
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Abusing that ASAP.
tuna-fish_sushi
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Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth
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EDIT: Just Farmed 150k xp worth of vaettirs without dying and still no rank 1 survivor so don't get your hopes up yet.
WarcryOfTruth
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Originally Posted by ensoriki
Are you serious? WTF.
Abusing that ASAP. |
AngelWJedi
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Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth
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