So which of those 7 hero builds are working?

Dude I'm dying to get the attributes and runesettings, can U list 'em here or talk to me in-game?
PvXwiki look up mesway, spiritway and discordway. BAM!

PvXwiki look up mesway, spiritway and discordway. BAM! Thanks I thought everything on PvX is already out of date.

I like this option more. Only one thing, I'd switch the Rit with SoH to a Monk do 16 smite and 12 channeling. You could leave the bar the same. I love SoH, hence my single change.

EDIT: I'd change the UA bar a bit too. Gole is ok, but mes e-management is better and I don't think patient spirit and heal party are worth it. I'd rather see heavens delight an Dwaynas sorrow. That leave the DS on your necro open as a res slot, or anything else you may see fit to place there.

Which option is better you think? Not sure about the discord build but for the second set, I would drop heal party, add in Heaven's delight and make the monk Mo/Me with inspiration E-management, most of the Mo's spells are 5e so GoLE is quite ineffecient here.

I personally dislike Dissonance: high cost, long recharge and has a short life, so I say drop that as well.

GDA on your character is quite unneeded, since you are fighting melee with your minions, EBSoH should give some pretty good damage boost.

Edit: Acutally your discord build might need some prots, those heals alone won't be enough.

Yes, but if you had to choose between them (which Vadog does unless we were to rework the build), Rt primary is clearly a better option than Mo primary. The DPS increase provided by SoH at 16 instead of 12 is only 5. For Splinter Weapon it is significantly higher (assuming you get the triggers, that is). Thats fair enough, I do see why primary rit is better in this case.

@Vadog, just realized your ER has infuse, which is fine if your not running minions. Is infuse disabled and micro'd? If not I recommend convert hexes. I use it on my ER prot and he uses it wonderfully. Almost only when I have more then 1 hex on me.

@everyone


Whatcha think bout my build

EDIT: Note on my attack chain, it may look awkward but it really isn't, and its just as quick as JB,FF,DB.

@everyone

Whatcha think bout my build

EDIT: Note on my attack chain, it may look awkward but it really isn't, and its just as quick as JB,FF,DB. i'd say get Blood is Power --> over xinrae's .. xinrae's fails and will remove ur splinter

i'd say get Blood is Power --> over xinrae's .. xinrae's fails and will remove ur splinter I don't usually have that problem, but any reason why you choose BiP? I hardly run into e management problems.

i'd say get Blood is Power --> over xinrae's .. xinrae's fails and will remove ur splinter Nothing fail about xinrae, if you are about to die do you really need splinter?

It's not like the hero will randomly cast xinrae for fun.

Read a couple of pages ago for a discussion on Elites for Resto Necs.... Just read though that page, but it doesn't look like there was a clear consensus on what to use. Xinraes works for me because its not like the hero spams it, its only used when needed. The only other option that looks enticing to me is Wail of Doom, and to be honest I don't trust the hero with it, and I won't micro a skill that to me seems largely unneeded.

Did you meant to use Wielder's Remedy instead of Mending Grip? Actually I meant to have wielders boon. I already have 3 condition removers.

EDIT: As far as the elite goes, I agree there is no ultimate choice so I will probably be sticking with Xinraes

What you guys suggest to my build?
I actually just got some ideas from here and put together. The channeling magic skills on the Soultwisting rit are pretty pointless

I would suggest this instead


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Also I would suggest you use e-surge instead of panic, the mesmers already have plenty of interrupts.

@majoho - you definitely do not want to run that, ST + Boon of Creation is already big energy so you do not need that much more energy management. Either start using Communing offensive spirits and micro Shelter, or give the hero some Rit heals and slot something else on the N/Rt (Command shouts, Desecrate / Defile Enchantments, Weaken Armour, etc). Don't disagree but what he originally had was just pointless, no real damage.

Personally I stopped running a ST, at some point I thought it was good but I find monk-prots just work better in most situations.

I really like Dzjudz build, the paragon is optional you could run something else instead of it.

Well I never put a res on a healer, unless it's UA on a monk (but generally I wouldn't run a dedicated healer).

The para might actually do more damage than an invoke ele just with Splinter Weapon triggers alone (keep in mind the invoke ele has no armor-ignoring damage). And he provides 100% SYG uptime as well as offensive boosts. The occasions I do replace it, I replace it with a RoJ monk.

Enfeebling Blood is bad? It's the best curses skill in the game! Almost free long-lasting aoe weakness? Yes please.

WoW is replaced by Life in the default build, but I don't like Life better at all. It's a randomly times heal, while WoW is used effectively when an ally is under heavy attack. Invoke does quite a bit of damage due to armor penetration. It makes up for the lack of armor ignoring damage, I think people tend to automatically discount it. I just ran the math for it, and I think people'd be surprised.

However, I wouldn't discount the paragon, either. They can be pretty useful and effective, and splinter does mean his damage isn't lacking.

Thanks for the feedback, I'm getting ideas before I make my "final" hero build.
This is the new bars I got, what you guys think? What I would most like changed is your own build actually. Is your Ebon Ward in the right range for your spear attacks, pet, and minions? I personally like to run something similar but instead use the /A dagger version which keeps me right alongside my pet and minions putting the ward in the perfect spot. I'm also not a fan of the elite there, I'd like to see Enraged Lunge instead as I think your going to be plenty durable enough with your team backing your up.

Just my opinions but probably more appropriate for the ranger forum.

Well I never put a res on a healer, unless it's UA on a monk (but generally I wouldn't run a dedicated healer).

The para might actually do more damage than an invoke ele just with Splinter Weapon triggers alone (keep in mind the invoke ele has no armor-ignoring damage). And he provides 100% SYG uptime as well as offensive boosts. The occasions I do replace it, I replace it with a RoJ monk.

Enfeebling Blood is bad? It's the best curses skill in the game! Almost free long-lasting aoe weakness? Yes please.

WoW is replaced by Life in the default build, but I don't like Life better at all. It's a randomly times heal, while WoW is used effectively when an ally is under heavy attack. Yet another option is to use the UA Monk in place of the Paragon, and then making the Curses Nec bring mass damage.

I have two main problems with Paragons: one, they attack at less than full cast range, and two, they require line of sight. Invoke bypasses both these problems. I also highly doubt the Paragon outdamages an Invoke Ele, because every Invoke cast is usually 50% more damage to affected targets than Splinter Weapon procs. It can be even more when backed by Weaken Armour / EBSoH. They're also better at taking down whichever target you want taken down, since Splinter does not trigger on the targetted monster. As for Command support, there's little to boost offensively (um ... wand criticals with GFTE? Envy's triggering off only one Rit spammer), but 100% SYG uptime and long Fall Back are nice to have, I'll grant.

Enfeebling Blood is weak in general because it's primarily an anti-physical skill and there're so many better ways to deal with physical damage. Just look at your team - you have minions to hold aggro, spirits to take damage, Aegis to give 50% party-wide block, and a dedicated anti-physical Mesmer. You should be taking only a pittance of damage from physicals! Even if physical damage gets through, you have Stand Your Ground to negate some of the damage. I view Enfeebling Blood as a reasonable filler skill in Curses if you really have nothing else to use, but otherwise it's pretty low down the list of skills to have.

If you're worried about Life's unreliability, I'd say take out WoW (which is another anti-physical skill that's unlikely to be needed ...) for Spirit Transfer. With Transfer, you are unlikely to need MBAS. Again I'd use Life, but up to you.