So which of those 7 hero builds are working?

Petway is fun! Next time gonna drop the N/Rt for a Mo/R with another pet, and would normally bring a pet on the para as well (needed hexeaeter for wurm bile)!

Fun and effective! <-- input would be appreciated if u see any obvious changes! Back when Heros first came out the one Guild Wars buddy I have played the most with over the years and I death leveled Pets on our Heros. And we both took three heros and most of the Heros and our mains had pets.This included several iterations of the Paragon skill "Go for the Eyes" before it got nerfed.

(I think I see that skill on one of your skillbars)

It was a lot of lulz

I might have to try that again just for old times sake

EVA could (and should) be used in conjunction with Mark of Pain. It is a meatshield, a catalyst for MoP, and a knockdown on a 30 second timer. You are finding little use for Assassin's Promise because you have Eternal Aura, EBSoW, and Necrosis on your bar. AP is generally used with the powerhouse "YMLAD!", "FH!", and EVA. While AP won't shine as well in your hexway (of sorts) in comparison to Discord, it's usefulness and potency still can't be ignored. You said you can't really find a better elite, so why not use it? Thank you for giving reasons for everything instead of just calling things silly and terrible lol. I am thinking about moving prots back onto my minion bomber and moving cure hex to the monk over WoC. And then maybe ethereal light over patient spirit.

How's now:

The only part I agree with is that SV is not so useful... The shutdown mesmers have really made SV and SS useless and I've been having a hard time finding another elite. I think I'm gonna go with Shared Burden actually.

Care to explain why suffering is silly? Why is patient spirit bad? Why is words of comfort silly? I'm not sure I should listen to someone who tells me I need another hex removal in PVE.

Eternal Aura was just a throw-in, but I figured a permanent +100 health boost and auto-ressing whole party when you die is better than most skills.

I had prots before on my minion bomber, but I'm finding the dwayna's sorrow variant not bad either; that could go either way. Xinrae's and weapon of warding are generally enough when I have quite a bit of blinding.

Ebon Vanguard Assassin awesome? Lol, not really in HM. It's also only good when its recharge is reduced by AP, which IMO is NOT a good elite when you're not running discordway. I don't need the energy from it, I don't particularly need anything recharged. Very well...

Suffering is bad because it's 15 energy for a fairly minor effect. Battles don't last long enough for the small amount of degen to add up to anything so it's essentially a wasted slot.
Patient Spirit conflicts horribly with heals on other people in the team. One person casts Patient Spirit on someone and then someone else casts another heal, essentially wasting one of the heals; this happens even in full, coordinated human teams. It's worse with heroes because they prioritise which heals to use badly, if at all (Patient on someone below 30% and taking damage?).
Words of Comfort conflicts with MBAS; you want conditions pulled really, so WoC shouldn't be getting the bonus, you might as well just use DKiss (which you already have) and you don't need more then two single target heals. In your setup, you only really need one (DKiss or Gift of Health) on the UA.

EVAS is good because it's an extra physical on the field that will trigger Barbs and Mark of Pain, draw incoming fire and potentially knock down an enemy. It doesn't need AP to be good, but like all caster damage skills with a recharge of 10 seconds or more, benefits greatly from it.

Assassin's Promise is an excellent elite, even without Discord (which is a subpar setup anyway). A human Elementalist or Mesmer looking to do damage that doesn't bring AP is simply doing it wrong. I would say the same of the Necromancer, but I'm not comfortable with saying that AP-MoP outdamages Minions builds (probably in very coordinated setups and you get an excellent spike).


In your revised setup my immediate suggestion would be to remove Soul Barbs (2 second cast, 10 energy and a long recharge for a skill that does very little) from your bar (viable replacements are annoying to find now in Curses, Shadow of Fear is ok, as is Reckless Haste if you change the elite) and Ethereal Light from the Monk's. Ethereal Light sort of works fine with Healer's Boon due to the reduced cast time, but is terrible otherwise. If the monk tries to use it when under attack, he'll simply waste energy. Your UA doesn't need two simple single target heals, you already have lots. Deny Hexes is fine, so is Shield of Absorption if you alter the specs slightly.

Hunting for viable Curses elites kinda sucks (hence why AP is such an immediately obvious option), Pain of Disenchantment at least does damage and can assist in spiking a target down that's being kept up by enchantments (happens rarely, I know; Mark of Protection on Dolyak Masters, Spirit Bond and Guardian from Stone Summit Defenders).

The next suggestion would be the removal of the N/Rt for another damage character. After that I'm just changing everything about the build.

In your revised setup my immediate suggestion would be to remove Soul Barbs (2 second cast, 10 energy and a long recharge for a skill that does very little) from your bar (viable replacements are annoying to find now in Curses, Shadow of Fear is ok, as is Reckless Haste if you change the elite) and Ethereal Light from the Monk's. Ethereal Light sort of works fine with Healer's Boon due to the reduced cast time, but is terrible otherwise. If the monk tries to use it when under attack, he'll simply waste energy. Your UA doesn't need two simple single target heals, you already have lots. Deny Hexes is fine, so is Shield of Absorption if you alter the specs slightly.

Hunting for viable Curses elites kinda sucks (hence why AP is such an immediately obvious option), Pain of Disenchantment at least does damage and can assist in spiking a target down that's being kept up by enchantments (happens rarely, I know; Mark of Protection on Dolyak Masters, Spirit Bond and Guardian from Stone Summit Defenders).

The next suggestion would be the removal of the N/Rt for another damage character. After that I'm just changing everything about the build. Ok, thanks for the long explanation. I'm taking Kaida's and your advice on making the monk Gift of Health, SoA, and Deny Hexes. About Soul Barbs though, I found it does excellent damage on single targets - it triggers about 10 times with all the hexes that my Mesmers and my Necros are bringing; that's about 300 damage, still not worth it?


How about Feast of Corruption on my necro? As to necros' bringing damage, is spamming Necrosis really that much worse than taking up the elite slot with AP in order to use EVAS? I also don't like AP on necros in general - half of its effect, which is to give energy, I already get from soul reaping so it's wasted.

Hello,
Would you mind giving me the atributes of the ele and the heroes in the 2 builds?
Thank you! You can figure this out easily for yourself. The attribute with the most benefit of an extra +1 (usually, but not always, the elite's attribute) get a rune on the head piece. Other attributes used in the build get a +1 on the body somewhere. +1 to primary attribute as well.

Then just allocate skill points for logical attribute levels.

Alrite, new attempt lol. I've found that a pet build actually works nicely with what I have. What do you think? Now I have EVA and pet as physical triggers. I'm also carrying a spear so good benefits from Never Rampage Alone. Should I switch out Heal as One for Enraged Lunge for deep wound though...

i dont really understand the point of you going /R and trying to force physical. IMO, just run a stand necro damage bar.

the whole pet/mop/splinter thing seems kinda outta place