Easter Eggs

Blahofstars

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/Mo

28 Jun 2005 at 22:55 - 121

The lich... *SPOILER*

(if you haven't beaten the game yet)
... is the king of orr's personal advisor, Vizier Kilbrahn (sp?). When the Charr did the "searing" and pushed past the wall, they descended onto Orr and the Vizier used a banished arcane magic to sink the whole island. In that process, he somehow managed to survive in the form of the undead lich (but apparently can also transform back to his original body). So since the lich was formed as a RESULT of the searing, he could NOT HAVE CAUSED it. End of story, stop bringing up this hypothesis as it's wrong.

peace <3 (any hatemail can be forwarded to [email protected])

Zexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Warrior Nation [WN]

N/Me

28 Jun 2005 at 23:10 - 122

Actually, I just read the lore from Hell's Precipice, and it says "Before the Searing, he was the advisor...".

Also, the Titans are enemies of the Mursaat, so why would they worship them both?

Besides, if he "accidentally" managed to "survive" the explosion, and has the power to cause an explosion that destroys an peninsula, wouldn't YOU too asume he knew what he was doing with the explosion, and just wanted to become a Lich for the sake of completing the Flameseeker prophecies, and cause the searing for the same sake (he has the power to sink Orr, so searing Ascalon is peanuts for him).
And learn to read stickies, THIS IS A 100% SPOILERFULL FORUM, NO SPOILER TAG IS REQUIRED!

_Zexion

Blahofstars

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/Mo

28 Jun 2005 at 23:38 - 123

If you read the lore a little bit more closely, he sank the peninsula as a last ditch effort to try to save orr. He was never trying to destroy it on purpose, only attempting to stop the Charr. That being said, if he was trying to stop the Charr, why would he unleash them in the first place?

p.s. As to the spoiler tag, I did it out of habit. Just because it's not required doesn't mean you have to rag on someone when they do it.

Zexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Warrior Nation [WN]

N/Me

29 Jun 2005 at 00:01 - 124

One thing about the last ditch effort, I see where you are going, but I see you haven't played many CRPGs (Console RPGs, final fantasy and such).
Games where a seemindly noble deed actually was a part of a deeper plot, and in the end you fight the hero of old, who have turned into a gigantic angel/demon/"insert big monster name here".
That said, what prevents the Vizier from all along wanting to become the flameseeker.
What if he heard of the prophecy, and destroyed Ascalon to let the Charr attack so he had a valid excuse for using the black magic?
I know this is a theory with many "what-if"s but if you are used to RPG storylines, this is the most plausible suggestion of what really happened.

Until then, we can only wait till ANet comes with official lore on it.
Sadly, a lot of companies only hint on lore, and leave it up to the gamer to guess it.
But one thing is for sure: the "flaming gods" which the Charr worship are 100% the Titans.

_Zexion

Blahofstars

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

R/Mo

29 Jun 2005 at 02:27 - 125

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zexion

One thing about the last ditch effort, I see where you are going, but I see you haven't played many CRPGs (Console RPGs, final fantasy and such). As for this comment, I don't see what basis you assume this on. I've played many RPGs, including the final fantasy series, and others. I could name a few I personally liked (Summoner, Legend of Dragoons, the list goes on). However, as I don't wish for this to turn into a flame war, I'll stop instigating it. Please refer to above ^^ if you want to send any hatemail.

All I am saying about the hypothesis is that the statement: "The 'Lich' caused the searing" is untrue because the 'Lich' did not EXIST before the searing. Could it have been the Vizier? Perhaps, as you have brought up some valid points, but stop referring to him as the 'Lich'. And I'll leave it at that, I'm done with this thread.

Sovetskeey

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Edmonton, AB

Gotta Be Four Twenty Somewhere

29 Jun 2005 at 02:42 - 126

Probably been mentioned (didn't bother to read the whole five pages here) but I laughed when I saw Ellie Rigby in Ascalon for the first time. For those not aware of the Beatles, they did a song called Eleanor Rigby.

blackbird71

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

29 Jun 2005 at 05:44 - 127

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenwich

Bonetti's Defense is from the movie Princess Bride.

"Ah, you're using Bonetti's defense against me, eh?"

"I thought it fitting, considering the rough terrain." I hate to burst your bubble, but Bonetti's Defense is an actual swordsman's tactic, they did their research for that scene in Princess Bride, all the maneuvers mentioned are real and the actors spent a good deal of time with a master swordsman to get it right.

Omega Complex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Arlington, TX

29 Jun 2005 at 15:40 - 128

Rofl, i think so, and their blood, sweat, tears, sweat, tears, blood, blood, tears...DRINK!!!

(hunters ale is fun)

Edit, I wasnt smart enough to realize I was still on the first page, this is in reference to the Hunters near Fort Ranik, Pre Searing Ascalon

GW Monkey

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

29 Jun 2005 at 23:29 - 129

Here's one for you to figure out... when you run into the first boss in Hell's Precipice, as you get within visual range, he shouts out "Shith Mal Hacto!" and all the surrounding bad guys start mobbing inward. They then start fanning out again. (behaviour much like Mantle in Riverside when a tower spots you.) It sounds latin, but I have no clue. My luck it's like an LoD reference for Hacto and his island with the lava dragon. Shith has a ton of references, none which seem appropriate to me.

Any ideas?

Dreamsmith

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Minnesota

Beguine Guild [BGN]

30 Jun 2005 at 05:02 - 130

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blahofstars

He was never trying to destroy it on purpose, only attempting to stop the Charr. That being said, if he was trying to stop the Charr, why would he unleash them in the first place?

To decimate Ascalon, of course. Then he destroyed Orr (on purpose) to kill two birds with one stone (the two birds being Orr and half the Charr army).

Quote: Immortalized in Zork on the gates to hades.

Please tell me i'm not that old now...

Judas Hawksriff

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Guardians Of Gwen

W/R

07 Jul 2005 at 08:40 - 139

Quote:

Originally Posted by GWDiseased

shish, I know hebrew and a little arabic and never heard about this stuff Shith and Mal are actually names, like John or Peter.

Dalia

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

07 Jul 2005 at 18:17 - 140

This is not an Easter egg, nor a gag, just speculation. In the last cutscene of the final mission, we're given a rather pointed shot of the Scepter of Orr floating up and fading into the air. Destroyed with the Lich? Or a hint that the Scepter will figure in upcoming Chapters?

Dalia

Andy_M

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Worthing, UK

(Don't fear) The Beaver

07 Jul 2005 at 20:22 - 141

Shith Mal Hacto ? Sounds very much like a spell used in the Ultima series of games.

DarkWasp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Paradise

Agency Of Forbidden Fruits [Oot]

R/A

07 Jul 2005 at 21:14 - 142

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mango Midget

Speaking of clothes when a female elementalist puts her "shirt" thing on, her bra dissapears. Hahaha! I thought you said skirt, so I made a pre-searing character and took off everything but the skirt. Hahahaha! Thats a classic right there... I'll never forget that.

EverBlue

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada, AB, Calgary

Arcane Draconum

W/Mo

07 Jul 2005 at 21:52 - 143

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ancalagon06

Or it's the homeworld of the Zerg from Starcraft, and is in fact spelled the RIGHT way?

I don't believe it was the homeworld of the Zerg, and it had only one r, Char. The homeworld was soemthing else.. But I'm not digging out my Starcraft manual to find out.

But those statues they erect that resemble titans do sort of look like a zergling.

And on an off-topic note, I agree with everyone who believes the lich caused the searing. Lich needs an army? Destroy Orr. Instant undead army. Mursaat stopping Chosen from fulfilling the prophecies? Force the Chosen from Ascalon.

arnansnow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

DOOM

E/N

07 Jul 2005 at 22:05 - 144

USS Charr (SS/AGSS-328), a Balao-class submarine, was a ship of the United States Navy named for the charr, a trout of the waters of northwestern North America.

That is what charr is named after

Sofonisba

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tucson, AZ

The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]

07 Jul 2005 at 23:43 - 145

About the lookalikes in the game: Anyone else think that the Erol the Mage, in the Ruins of Surmia mission, looks like Jeremy Irons?

Ikinsey

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Cali

Mercanaries of Xero

N/Mo

07 Jul 2005 at 23:51 - 146

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnansnow

USS Charr (SS/AGSS-328), a Balao-class submarine, was a ship of the United States Navy named for the charr, a trout of the waters of northwestern North America.

That is what charr is named after

No, thats what you assume it was named after. Like 90% of the things on this forum, its purely speculation.

arnansnow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

DOOM

E/N

07 Jul 2005 at 23:54 - 147

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikinsey

No, thats what you assume it was named after. Like 90% of the things on this forum, its purely speculation.
Actually I don't assume it was named after anything, I just don't think about it(except when I am posting in here), it isn't that important.

Ikinsey

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Cali

Mercanaries of Xero

N/Mo

07 Jul 2005 at 23:55 - 148

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnansnow

That is what charr is named after

Thats an assumption.

arnansnow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

DOOM

E/N

08 Jul 2005 at 00:13 - 149

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikinsey

Thats an assumption. Everything that people said about what charr are named after is an assumption.

Duffren

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2005

N/E

08 Jul 2005 at 06:13 - 150

Ill probally catch alot of flak for this but, the male Necromancer's dance is the same as the male Undead's dance from World of Warcraft.

Tindalos

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ordo Rosae Moriatur

Me/R

09 Jul 2005 at 12:24 - 151

Froboz is a merchant in Abaddon's Mouth.

The Froboz Magic Supply Company sold all kinds of crazy stuff in Zork and several other Infocom games.

Yorrix

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

East of England

The Militocracy of Gippeswyk [MoG]

N/Me

09 Jul 2005 at 17:26 - 152

This thread is cool. I haven't read all through it yet, but I will do when I have more time. If someone has mentioned this, then forgive me, but I haven't seen this and I doubt it.

At the Temple of the Ages, South of Divinity Coast, there is an NPC called Brother Theophilus. He happens to be the one who talks about all the various deities there.

Well, to just describe his name, because as Theophania, my name is closely related. 'Theo' means 'god', whereas philus, or phillia, is from a latin word used for love (at least I think, hence the rather unsavory words necrophillia and paedophillia). His name litterally means 'loved of God'.

As for my own name, Theophania means 'manifestaion of God'. While I'm at it, Firvinyr is an elven name meaning 'dark storm bringer', created with the help of the 'Races of the Wild' D&D suppliment.

Nairo

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

R/P

09 Jul 2005 at 17:54 - 153

Guys... about the Charr... They worship fire. Char is a word related to fire. It's most likely (and I'm not saying it IS) that Charr is just Char with an extra "r" to make it not so generic. That's my GUESS.

redsman1

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

10 Jul 2005 at 03:09 - 154

how about deep root outside ventaris refuge? a reference to deep throat and the whole watergate fiasco. he gives a quest called dropping eaves where you have to go eavesdrop on 2 minotaurs talking. watergate had people planting listening devices. just a thought!

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

10 Jul 2005 at 08:13 - 155

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yorrix

philos is Greek and means friend! Theo is Greek too and means "god"! So Theophilus would mean "Friend of God"! Which makes sense!

Rayea

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

west yorkshire, Uk

Sisters of Serenity

N/Mo

10 Jul 2005 at 09:38 - 156

anyone noticed that theres a guard just outside lions arch called Riddik?

that had me laffing for a while, till i saw the lass called Damaris, when i laffed even more

(damaris, the name of the femail kender that tasslehoff burfoot was supposed to mary)

also, anyone remeber the old red box DnD? wasnt the healer cleric in that named Alesia? (who gets killed ether way you chose the storyline, so heheh...thats our alesia

hehe)

as to the dancing....
male n femail fighters, yeah, its john and uma doing pulp fiction^^
male rangers, its called break dancing, and was popular in the eightys
yeah, the lady necros do the zombie dance from thriller
and the elementalist ladies are doing a modified hula-hula

shame there isnt a way to do other peoples dances, or add them. i woud say swap the ele girls with the fighters, them give the fighters the mens war dance from new zeland it would fit in with the hula then ^^
(and, hehe, they *are* warriors, lol)

Mr. Niceguy

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

The Pappenheimers

10 Jul 2005 at 13:52 - 157

Not sure if anyone's mentioned this one yet, but the merchant at the Ring of Fire mission, his name is Gnik'ekaj. Backwards it's King Jake.

Yorrix

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

East of England

The Militocracy of Gippeswyk [MoG]

N/Me

10 Jul 2005 at 15:27 - 158

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

philos is Greek and means friend! Theo is Greek too and means "god"! So Theophilus would mean "Friend of God"! Which makes sense! Ah, cool. I knew it was either greek or latin, but wasn't sure which. I did make sure to double check before I posted by looking it up in a name dictionary, and just under Theophania is Theophila (feminine version) and Theophilus. There it says 'loved of God', but I assume that translationally it could be either. When I saw it initially I thought it might have been lover of gods, which would have also fitted.

I thought it was quite cool though. Got me excited. :P

Gedscho

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

the Zen Men

Mo/W

10 Jul 2005 at 17:48 - 159

My "Peace and Harmony" build doesnt carry a weapon, because i am too stupid and will attack once in awhile.

so when we killed rurik in the last mission and he asks for a coup de grace
and the cam zooms on my monk, it makes the clickety sound and says: "You have to equip a weapon to attack." and no final blow is delivered

i am that peaceful, after all

cup-o-noodles

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/R

10 Jul 2005 at 21:22 - 160

Oh, sorry I've been away from my computer a while now. But here is that picture you requested:

As for the UW boss, I'm just going off of what a friend told me so.....

Originally Posted by Blahofstars

All I am saying about the hypothesis is that the statement: "The 'Lich' caused the searing" is untrue because the 'Lich' did not EXIST before the searing. How do you know that? I strongly suspect the Vizier has been a lich all along.

Kishin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

The Twilight Vanguard [TTV]

30 Jun 2005 at 06:13 - 131

Dunno if its been mentioned already, but the Canthan Arena guard for the Competition Arenas in Lion's Arch is named Lo Pan, which is the name of the villian in the movie Big Trouble in Little China.

Ancalagon06

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

In my pants of "superior strength"

Royal Orrian Foreign Legion

W/N

30 Jun 2005 at 07:21 - 132

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acan Vishnu

Something that just popped up, never really thought about it before... Again, one of those things I'm not sure of, but I think its neat... Charr is a common misspelling of the word Chaar, a decepticon planet in the Transformers universe... so I started thinking about it, and realized my memory sucked too much to remember it well enough.. And so enter Wikipedia...

"a small, burned-out husk of a planet located in distant space"

Also had some stuff about how when the Autobots retook Cybertron the Decepticons were forced to retreat to Chaar and hide out for awhile... thought it sounded moderately similar to the GW backstory

Woah. Totally geeked myself out. Or it's the homeworld of the Zerg from Starcraft, and is in fact spelled the RIGHT way?

Ancalagon06

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

In my pants of "superior strength"

Royal Orrian Foreign Legion

W/N

30 Jun 2005 at 07:24 - 133

Quote:

Originally Posted by majikalfae

"abaondon hope all ye who enter here" I AM THE WAY INTO THE DOLEFUL CITY

I AM THE WAY INTO ETERNAL GRIEF,

I AM THE WAY TO A FORSKAEN RACE.

JUSTICE IT WAS THAT MOVED MY GREAT CREATOR;

DIVINE OMNIPOTENCE CREATED ME,

AND HIGHEST WISDOM JOINED WITH PRIMAL LOVE.

BEFORE ME NOTHING BUT ETERNAL THINGS

WERE MADE, AND I SHALL LAST ETERNALLY

ABANDON ALL HOPE, ALL YOU WHO ENTER HERE.
-Canto III, Dante's Divine Comedy, Act I: Inferno

Tengoku No Yushosha

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

E/Me

30 Jun 2005 at 12:00 - 134

How many of you even know what a "Lich" is? or what its "supposed" to be?

Lich:"Ones whose study in sorcery has even allowed ones to study even past death." (-My dictionary, so shush-)

"Vizier" was the advisor correct? since he used a forbidden spell or something (-or someone did-) which means he must have been a spellcaster/mage/whatever you call em thus making him study into the books upon books of lore teaching him of magic. On the day that kingdom place was distroyed, isn't it possible that his study in magic "might" have allowed him to study even further even beyond death?

In other words...(-Vizier-Big Bang-Him dead-his learnings inspire him to go further-him lich now-you kill-all happy-me <3 monkeys-)

Judas Hawksriff

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Guardians Of Gwen

W/R

30 Jun 2005 at 16:01 - 135

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW Monkey

Good one, here's what i've come up with;

Shith - From the Arabic = Variant of Sheeth.
Mal - From the Hebrew = Messenger of God.

So, Hacto being the name of the God in Legend of Dragolian (who also has an Island named after him) - the rough translation would be something like;

"Protection From God Hacto"

or

"Deliver Hacto Protection"

... maybe

Nairo

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

R/P

06 Jul 2005 at 04:15 - 136

About the whole Lich/Vizier thing... Who's to say the Vizier wasn't the Lich before anything of the lore we have read up on? Who's to say he didn't just take the form of Vizier Khilbron to start this entire thing up? We are never shown what happens that causes the sinking of Orr, so everything is basically specualtion on whether or not the Vizier sent the charr out, or if he caused the searing.

GWDiseased

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

E/Mo

06 Jul 2005 at 20:34 - 137

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas Hawksriff

the_grip

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2005

06 Jul 2005 at 20:51 - 138

Quote:
"abaondon hope all ye who enter here"