GuildWars Millionaires everywhere! (?)

Ok thank you for the psychology 101 lesson. Seratonin levels aside there is no quantitive measurement for fun. A masochist getting beaten will have higher seratonin levels,but if I beat you though I bet we see an increase in adrenaline and activity in the medula oblongata. Again subjective. As for my defined subjective....that's not my definition that's a paraphrased dictionary definition. The definition of subjective has never been a point of question here. Subjective is what it is and all the psychobabble in the world won't change that fact. Learned behaviors are the basis of subjective views and no one learns the same behaviors in the same way. So your point there would have been? Or are you just wanting to lecture me about pop psychology? I assure you I sat through my psych 101 already thanks.

You haven't changed the fact that fun and the definition of what is fun is subjective. It varies from person to person. Some people like being rich in game. Others like killing other toons. I'm one of the former and I despise the latter. There are people on here that couldn't stand to watch the economic trends and buy low and sell high. It's just aggravating to them ,yet they love to kill other people in the arenas. What really chaps my proverbial buttocks is when people insinuate that somehow anyone with loot is missing the point of the game or not having fun as if those two things could be put down in concrete terms.

The future Str0b0 mentioned isn't past at all. I can't think of anybody in the field who would claim to measure the amount of fun. Not to mention you cited the study's results incorrectly. Please, careful with the "science" you quote as there may be those in the specific field around who can point out that your statement isn't quite correct. (Its Serotonin or 5-HT, no 'a' in the name. To a mod: if we get more bad science, am I permitted to blast it full-length? Please.)

As far as ebayers and people I've met... I can (I think) tell the difference between the rich people I know who seem to ebay ("Some guy was quitting the game and gave me 1 million") and those who have farmed/traded there way to that point. Most of the "1 million" (or 1.4 million; always such a nice round number...) via ebay people are much less knowledgeable than their equipment should imply. I've seen a couple of them. They often end up realizing that 1 million isn't needed for "top" equipment, and start giving it out to friends and guildies, and you get a proliferation of a half-dozen people having too much money and not enough knowledge...

Cool, thanks; so it's not that anyone said *everyone* but they quantified a lot of people, and I can see the point of taking some offense.

I don't think internet buying of gold is the majority by any means. Most anyone who plays the game a lot knows that this sort of thing, on a massive scale, can damage the game economy pretty bad. Frankly, buying gold online just makes it harder because stuff like that gets good drop areas nerfed. The good of the game as a whole is much more important than one player wanting a lot of gold.

I wish there was an easy way to nuke the industry as a whole, but it's hard to get rid of the commercial farmers without taking out a lot of innocents who just like to get stuff. :P

You spent months farming greens and think you are good at Guild Wars?

A.net where is your game going? lol.

I've made a million gold about 3 times over. Pretty broke again now.. damn armor and such. (To be fair though, I farmed runes before there were rune traders, IDS when they were like 60-80k, and greens when they were worth it ^^;; so some of it is timing)

I dunno, it takes a fair amount of time and some luck, but when you solo you make pretty decent loot.

There must be a million threads on farming builds, it takes a bit of practice but it's not too terribly difficult. I am not too up to speed on current farming spots, I've been pvping pretty much exclusively since December.. at least until factions came out ^^

Spent all my cash, down to 916 gold total.

Sorry to let you down on ragging on ppl, but I dont usually see this guy on a lot, but when he is... he maybe goes to LAd1 sell 1 thing and he is probably 1mill richer.. but that only takes about 5 minutes.. after that.. he goes and help ALL of his guildies.. I would certainly know since he is in my guild.. He probably sells things because hes is bored of beating the game with 8+ characters... now he can beat factions like everyone else.. There ya go.. from the one and only, Lord Runner

mofo still 3 hours to get my acc from banning

This is a fallacy substituting the argument that because a Scientist is not safe publically detailing our personalities are programmed bio-chemical responses natural to an organic computer; that love/affection/fun is merely a chemical facade across biological drives promoting the welfare of the species. The programing may be duped/deceived by 'entertainment' designed to facilitate those responses creates 'games' which reinforce the behavioral interest.

Typing for many of us is arbitrary. Most of my posts are edited because I catch about 1/3 of my typing errors. In addition, anyone that has taken or deals in linguages/linguistics eventually sees generality of spelling and specifics of sound. As an audiophile learner I am quite aware that much of my spelling is phonetic instead of preferred usage. My bad typing and not being a visual primary make your attack useless. As well, my not spelling it correctly has nothing to do with conceptualization presented. X is not false because 'X' is false. A real scientist would not make that mistake.

Exegetical. Your posit was incomplete and assumed.

Very astute. I infact specifically did not separate subjectivity from behavioral programming. I did not deny or in anyway undermine your argument that like real poverty, virtual poverty, leads to the same behavioral responses. The difference between real poverty and virtual poverty is that people do not play games to have unsuccessful fantasies. Indeed, it is necessary for many to play life without obtaining their goals because of the limited resources in spaceship earth, limited distribution, limited opportunity for promoted status, and loss of ambition with contentment for the unawakened.

What I did was posit a source for the subjectivity and disagree that 'fun' can not be measured. It is measured regularly in miligrams of medication which alter biochemical response. That is not psychology 101, it is psychiatirc practice.

Difficulty is immaterial. Farming is assembly line labor. I have never cared for it. A friend of mine has about as many hours in playing as I do, but she has determined that all her charcters belong to the Order of Our LAdy of Perpetual Pverty. We play, we do not farm. While farming is intended and promoted by the GW staff and system (in example collect 250 Naga Fangs for a mask) this is not the selling point of the game. There are no games advertising, ''New game, guaranteed Farming experience. Repetitively enter the same area to repetitively kill the same things just for points, but you can call it cash if you want.'' We had games like that Space Invaders, Centipede, Pac-man, and the masses are looking for something a little better now.

Fitz

Fitz

The joys of inflation.

It's fortunate that I rarely buy from other players...

how well do you know me?
not at all; obviously.
A: i find trading to be fun, i dont mind doing it, in fact, people who dont like trading quickly grow bored of it, and try and sell their stuff asap regardless of taking a small to mediocre loss...just because they dont like spending time in trade channels. i have no problem talking with people in-game and reading trade spams.
B: if your definition of "fun" happens to be playing the game, doing quests, doing pvp, and developing characters; bewteen my accounts ive unlocked well over 350,000 balthazar, i have 11 level 20 characters, 7 of which have beaten ch1, 1 (soon to be 3) of which ahve beaten chapter 2; i take college classes, and i have a full-time job (soon to be 2 jobs for the summer since i wont be taking classes). though, i am currently single.
most of my guildwars time is later at night when i get home from work, or mid-day, before i take on a nightshift.
if i didnt enjoy the game and what i do in it; i'd quit, period.
so please, stop pretending to know me, get off your moral high-horse, and stop trying to tell me im not having fun.

I'm not going to bother arguing with the majority of the post as it would be too far off-topic (topic being multi-millionaires and e-bay, not whether farming is interesting, or whether fun can be measured in a chemical manner).

I am however stating that I consider the second quote an attack, whereas my corrective spelling was not an attack. I don't see how that difference in spelling matters at all to your credibility, nor did I imply as much, instead separating everything as best I could without going overboard. The second statement is in fact directly stating I am not a "real scientist" which is quite definitely an attack given that I implied that this is in fact my life's study (and yes, I would consider a decade of my young life in neurochemical measurement to be my life's study).

I only added in the correction in spelling after reading Str0b0's response, after which I didn't want anyone else using the incorrect spelling of Serotonin. Best of placement? Probably not, but as you have already implied, being an expert wordsmith is not something most of us are gifted with.

Also please note that the first quote is an incorrect summary of the experiment(s) that have been performed, it doesn't even imply that fun was measured (although there are psychological "fun" measurements, they are not at all related to chemicals). If you want the correct measurements that have been done, I will be glad to include them in PM (its not a short explanation as there are many of them).

So at this point, Akh (who I run into in game a decent bit), could be having plenty of fun in ways that don't call into question his motives nearly as well as many would like to claim. I don't know Akh well at all, I just run into him a good bit, and he seems to have quite a bit of fun. He's happy he's made money and in large sums (not slow trading either from what little I have seen), and he espouses all sorts of values beyond just guild wars. Some like to farm for money all day long, others prefer to find interesting ways to make lots of money in minimal amounts of time. 2 million does seem sick, but thats only a good 200 ectos when the price was high, and 300 ectos at the pre-factions prices. Less than 50 ectos per day... saw people making that on mini-pets this week with 30-60 minute turnovers... to do so during regular times means you probably have to do a bit better, but not incredibly much more so.

Note: PvPers finally seem to have a chance to become rich...12v12 and Alliance Faction. Good PvPers could become rich off HoH runs occasionally dropping VERY nice items, but not everyone can reach that. Now even the common PvPer can become rich...

I had very good luck with factions first week, had a sup absorb and gold max oni daggers 15%^50 drop for me @ the bugged arborstone quest that sold for 100k +10 ecto. The guy didn't even haggle, just said i'll buy and gave me the money...kinda made me feel like I was either getting ripped off or he had more money than I care to think about.

One can make a decent amount of money (not milionaire) with farming that what is currently hot in the market.

I auctioned one of those a few days ago [req12 I think] and got 200k for it. [it droped out of a kurzick chest].

and in general, I think most of my money came from trading candy canes, candy cane shards, greens, and some ecto and shards duo and solo farming. the point, in a way, is that you need to have money to make money, and need to know how.

I reached over 100k 3 times in 3 days farming and selling.
some of it was buying cheap and selling higher

But if you get your hands on a perfect weapon of a rare skin, you're rich.
or one of the elite mission greens that yeild minimum 400k each

I've never got more than 50K

But i can do with the better collectors items, they may look cheap but a cheap thing can hurt

I had 938K when factions launched -- all honest farming. I am now down to 243K and rebuilding after buying lots of stuff (armors/weapons). I am able to farm a few greens solo with my mesmer so it should be a week or two and I will be in the 500K area easily.

yay for ignorant statements. i dont know much about pve i know even less about pvp. i only know a little bit about warriors and necros but i could not construct an uber build. i have made many many millions. do i ebay? no. i am very good at finding excellent deals and this is an area i excel at. please dont say people who arent pwnage in every area of game play ebay as that is kinda insulting. not many people can claim to make 250k a day when trying. heck i have made 250k today and it was from just one nice trade.

yeah sure a million is needed for uber godly stuff. unconditional weapons, 55hp axes (devari ones), -20hp axe, 15% ffs. they give you an advantage over normal standard items. in the hands of an experienced players they would be very useful.

Yep... and there are some easy cheap things to make that are worth nice $$... I made 20K yesterday from making one of the materials.

I could'nt even tell you how many mills I've made since gw been out.. early on it was hardcore farming and I was just like any other new player in 1.5 drokars armor on my elemental.. my first step towards making 100k came after I beat hells and at the time there was only a handful of people who were even there.. so took henchmen and pretty much became a pro at doing that mission with just 6 henches after I noticed peeps in hells who could'nt do it.. I started charging 10k a head to beat the mission for them- it was funny back then cause remember made so much money I was wearing 15k like the next day (there was no rune trader back then either and remember getting called a liar all the time if said you could beat it henched lol).. after that just started farming tengu out of riverside for unlocks and eventually got around to making 3 other chars including a 55 monk and a warrior after witnessing the first droks runs.. fow came from solo farming ectos in the UW with the 55 build and I pretty much quit till sorrows- that's where made a massive killing soloing greens (still remember sold tanzits shield for 100k =]) razorstones sold for 100k+ectos (could usually get 4-6 ecto after some bidding) plus had many of the perfect weapons I pimped out just drop for me.. After the greens came out I really could'nt see buying and selling anymore.. made solo build for kephet when she came out.. sold quite a few of those for around 200k - there was the trader reset a long time back which was the king of all screwups to the economy but least they did'nt let it fly the second time it happened (there was alot of newbs who got filthy rich during the first reset- you did'nt even need money it was so ridiculous you could buy a superior absorb for 2k and sell it back to the same trader for 70k.. ectos 300g) in factions just solo'd the bosses and they were droppin pretty good greens went for 50k+.. even swapped a wing's axe for shiros blades which I sold for 75k (was selling wing's for 50- 25k profit on that swap).. got the best zodiac drops in the elite mission in the deep- you can solo and clean out the first 2 rooms of that mission pretty quick had alot of golds drop there (not anymore- some farming code kicked in after a couple days but still get alot of good stuff in pugs).. it's not that hard to make money in gw if you want to- if your just a casual player I would'nt worry about getting a pimp zodiac weapon or fellblades ect. just go collectors and save up for the mods you want- get your 1.5k armor pimped with different sets for different builds- then when stumble on a goldmine go for it

I dont farm much per se, but I do occassionally farm. I have played this game on and off since shortly after release.

I usually have about 150K in the bank.

I have 1.5K armor on all my toons.

The first two I get thru factions are going to get the end game armor, I have enough materials for it now and enough money.

If I want a third toon with that armor, Ill farm some more.

It possible by playing casually, you just have to steadily accumulate wealth and have a plan, and dont succumb to the latest "fad".

It seems very difficult to farm for any decent amount of gold these days.

I had 5k total on my account till i got that charr shaman minipet sold for 95k then bought and sold others for 250k.

Suddenly developed a likeing for perfect stat rare skins.


i currently have 4k in my account and am back saving for 1.5k armour set

it is very possible to farm that much, you ever hear of greens?

Minipets have been a great source of income for me. 1 Bone Dragon, 1 Rurik, 2 Charr Shamans, and 1 Shiro. Why people want these things is beyond me, they don't DO anything besides follow you.

yep. before the Duel house patch it was clost to 200k a day from selling ambers. can't wait for the next path on that next ff location

1) Duo-farm FoW/UW. Don't listen to the people claiming otherwise, this WILL make you rich quite quick.
2) E-bay. Let the chinese farming army do the farming for you, then buy the gold from them. Can make you as rich as you want.
3) Speculation. Tedious as it is, buy low/sell high actually works, and I'm told some people even find it fun.

But the really filthiest-rich-beyond-human-comprehension people are the ones who were at least moderately rich *and* happened to be online when ANet screwed up the vendors, and bought stacks of ecto, superior vigor runes etc.

Thats how I made my quick 450K the months before factions came out... Then the day of the preview I spent 100K + on getting all the new core profession skills on my chars and unlocking some of the new ones.
I have never had more than 450K and dont really need to. UW 2-man is the way to do it, and look at monk runes now! they are dirt cheap!!!

Two guildies and i can easily, EASILY make 400k+ a night..

What can i say, we're entrepreneurs..

QFT. I laugh at everyone who bought Victo's axes for 250k+ way back when.. They're what now, 15k?

I actually have made all of my fortune by doing that, and I didnt have to try very hard too. I have sold no valuable items that have come from farming- I have got them all in trades.

-Jiao

ZOMFG..seriously people, why would you care how much things cost? When the ANET devs decided to ruin the collecting side of the game, SF update complete with chests and greens, they justiifed the new additions as being neccessary for casual players to enjoy the game. Because casual players need perfect items...

These same casual players are the ones complaining about prices now. You got your greens and increased drop rates, now please stfu.

I had over 2 million golds(2 accounts), a full storage of greens and ectos about since last month. Didn't gain much since faction came out because was busy doing the faction quest/mission with my new monk(Cathan born) and my old necro. I gained these 2 million golds in about 3 months Between January to April. It all came down to farming in SF for the greens. I only play about 20 hours a week so the farming has to be quite effective. I also trade in the guru auction to lots of european players since they usually pay more for the same items.

The Most i made was on tombs greens, i had just sold a 15% enchanted req 8 Chaos axe, then i bought a Victo's axe for 100k, sold it for 100k +5 ectos (ectos @8k), bought another 100k +2 Ecto's (Sold it for 100k +7) and so on...
back in the day i used to buy wood for 5g each, and i would get stock piles from people from the presearing, and then right away sell to the material trader to make some easy money

ya know..i had to stop and think and realized that in my time in game (since beta and launch) i believe i have made around a million during that time. Most of mine I made from the occassional rare drop that i sold. I dont farm..cant stand to farm to be honest. But I am a pack rat and tend to keep stuff and somewehre down the line, it comes in high demand...like all that hide I had...i musta had somewhere near 3k hides when factions hit.

-damn error-

The most i have one time was around 250k. Than i spend most of it on weapons and runes for my various characters. Golds can come in different way such as farming for greens or rare items and selling them. I wouldn't be surprise that there is more millionaires in GW since peoples might have access into those elite missions where the drops are worth alot of money.

Hehe, i bought my Dragos Bow for 68k, but that was absolutely months before they dropped to 30k. Victos Axe dropped to 15k in how long? 2-4 weeks? All for what, so people could flash there 'Victos Battle Axe' for a fortnight longer than those people who got it for a 10th of the price. Gotta love people who eBay, why else would you pay 250k for an Axe that you know will be worthless in a few weeks?

yup couldnt agree more. i have never bought greens as i can afford gold same stat ones but if you wait a while they cost nothing.

Dunno, I made 500K by doing Tombs when the greens there where still worth good money with a bunch of friends, we had a great time playing together and while it could be called farming at least we had loads of fun.

Aside from spending money on new armors (and runes ofc, you always seem to be unable to salvage the most expensive ones) I've not needed more then 50K for 4 chars so far.

Prices have dropped, drops are better for then ever, why spend real money?