Guild Wars Update - Nov 10 and Nov 11

Trust me it is still very easy, anyways, not the point, just one more thing I will say, end game players who solo will not be content farming low to mid level areas, so be prepared to lose some players, in any event, I hope GW can still continue strong, I had alot fun...especially on Halloween

i just had a sudden urge to laugh as i thought of what will be the results of fixing another major AI problem.

what will be the levels of howling when the casters and archers dont keep hitting the wall/rock you are smirking behind but move 10 steps over so they can hit you?

the yelling over this is just the warm up

Prices usually don't drop dramatically. They will stay about them same and too me, that is expensive.

They weren't before, but at least it was a better-kept secret back then.

I will be adjusting and testing new builds, but I'll miss the one I've been using for so long. I was comfortable with it. Maybe it's time to change my secondary and see what that will bring.

On a side note: to anyone who thinks 15k armor isn't expensive-can I have some of your excess money? I don't even have 15k, and have no prospects of getting it. Ever.

So much fun now!!! lol

All this powerfull monsters, running like chickens and screaming please don't hurt me, ahahahahah
And henchs running away everywhere try to hit them and aggro every foe on the map, but no problem cause i cast lava font and they will run away again

-Ouch, you've burned my little finger. Bad human!!! I will tell my mother that you hurt me.
-Run, run the bad human comes to here, save your lifes.

Please give me a break, i need a stress relief, I have a work, wife, 2 kids, 3 dogs and a garden to take care.

So thanks to ANet for nerfed my stress reliefer.

Have a nice day.
I think i will get back for CS or Battlefield 2, for now. After a few months of good time playing GW (i have 2 accouts).

I'm glad that i didn't pre-order the chapter 2 like i was almost did in this weekend

CYA

WE NEED A POLL SOMEONE START ONE!!! TO put some numbers together. Maybe anet will see the poll with real numnbers, instead of reading 43pages of spam!

So a Tank in PvP beating you to within an inch of your life when he hasn't taken a scratch runs off shitting himself at the slightest sniff of AoE damage does he?
Sure the mobs are now just like humans. I always see IWAY teams run off screaming as soon as a flame trap goes off. AI my arse.
And from the other angle, PvP players aren't 8 levels higher than you with tonnes more armour and the ability to decimate a team if they get anywhere near them.

It's not coded, implemented, or even tested properly as far as i'm concerned.
It doesn't even make the game harder. If it gets messy just nuke and regroup. If anything it's not harder in a average fight, but just takes longer, which in a limited (pve) game, where many have a top level characters and want to rush new ones through ASAP without having to crawl through every quest/mission/area they've seen all before again, is disasterous for the grind/irritation factor.

And how much 'use' will you get out your new Necro and Mesmer PvE buddies when Aatxes break aggro from a Firestorm and smash them into the turf in 2 hits? Still noone has answered this as yet.

The whole thing just stinks of a cheap, quick fix to stop farming and nothing else. I'd even bet the effects for Elem's and others weren't even considered. They just tested if farming was more of a bitch or not.

When they code 'AI' into the mobs, fair enough. But the 'run away when any AoE hits' that they do now is pathetic. I want to take the damage enemies dish out and pile it back on. I want to survive a battle, not chase fleeing enemies around in circles for 20 mins. I bought Guild Wars. Not Ape Escape.

If it's still very easy, then why all the anti-patch threads? I don't care either way, since the patch doesn't affect any of my toons, but I do feel sorry for all the elementalist players...

Not meant to be anti patch posts, not by me anyways, more of a statement that us solo players are just getting tired of not feeling like we should be able to play the way we LIKE to play, but I guess GW was really about teams anyways, wasn't it

I can say one thing , Anet isn't my mama. If they go and slap my wrist for being a bad boy for trying to solo I won't say sorry I won't do it ever again, I'll complain! It's what most consumers do when they are dissatified with a product.

*Cough* Curses *Cough*

I know I was just hoping there could be room for both styles of play, but I guess not

Because people seem to think that if they bitch loud enough, A.Net will reverse this thought-out-and-implemented change with the flick of a switch. Not gonna happen. Concessions towards tweaking AI and skills further to bring it back _closer_ to how it was in future updates? Perhaps. Total rollback? Nuh-uh.

Don't feel sorry for Eles. This is a hamhanded way of opening different doors for them in terms of playstyle, not a punishment.

Guild War starts with the game taking care of both community PVE and PVP, which PVE player enjoy social and economy by farming and team play as their daily activity, PVP player gets the challenge by testing out their builds for every skill change, they are easily adapted to change everytime, since most of them are PRO.

It was a good start for ANet to sell out million copies, because of both PVE and PVP commnunity support. If the change makes one community unacceptable, sure it is faliure on ANet side without clear thinking of their game direction as they started.

If people say game is so easy, then take the challenge and go PVP.

If prices are too high such that people can't afford them, they will fall. It really is as simple as that. Think of it like the stock market... someone shouts "selling ecto for 25k" and no one answers... "15k?" and someone buys it. Now the next seller comes along and says "15k!" For a week, those that can afford 15k will buy it. Then there'll be those that can't afford it, or don't want to. It'll will drop to 14k, then 13k...

Eventually it will hit a price that everyone is comfortable with, and stay there.

Besides, it's not like you need Fissure armor anyway... if you're a hardcore gamer, you'll still be able to get Fissure armor, and that's what it's there for.

So let me get this straight, you bought a toaster and are complaining because it doesn't make coffee?

GW is a multiplayer game.

It is completely beyond me that people think the new AI is better.

Monk boss giving you trouble? Hit it with a Fireball and watch it flee.
Monsters dropping wards? Hit them with a Phoenix and watch them run out of them.
Using henchmen to get around? Watch them 'run' from a Deep Freeze, and die in a hail of Water Tridents.
Ice Imps using Maelstrom? Watch as the henchmen still stand in them.
Pinesoul have you in its sights? Hit it with a Fireball and watch it run in circles.

Yup, sadly I had to admit it, it is a multi player game, peace people

Same here.

Which is especially sad since nobody has ever proved that solo farming was actually HURTING anyone. All you can hear is the same "GW is a teamgame" BS. Why can't it be BOTH a teamgame and a sologame?

The only thing what really makes me laugh is that my monk can still happily farm despite Anet tried to kill her with more than one patch now...

Well thought out my ass. "Hey guys, lets skullRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO an entire attribute line to force people to play other stuff "

Solo farming hurts because it means bots can farm and bring gold into the economy at a rate that causes inflation. The patch has made it very hard to bot-farm. Sure, you'll still be able to buy gold on eBay, but it will be farmed by people, not bots.

Would you agree that the ability to solo should extend to all professions, and not just monks?

I believe one of Anet's goals is to stike a balance between the powers of different professions.

Maybe I'm just not good enough at the game. Can a Mesmer or Necro solo the UW? Maybe they can, I honestly don't know.

You know, if GW isn't supposed to be playable solo, then why have Henchies? Why have the pre-searing section pratically all solo? (still one of my favorite things in GW).

The missions should need a group, but if people want to farm the Northern Shiverpeaks or whatever solo, let them.

I don't understand the hostility against solo players... how does it hurt you?

teams lol guild wars lol - find me a scenario when i go go through a day and find 7 other people that will actually stay through the whole mission sigh, lol this cracks me up you know -i have come to a realization - essentially everyone here is right to a degree - its different some people like that, which is great. Some people hate it (me included), but fine so be it,whats done is essentially done ive signed petitions ive posted here cause i want to show my disapproval using my 1st admendment right.

its just funny cause lol now its even harder to put together a decent team, let alone a team that will actually stay with you to completion of the mission. its almost like doing team areanas - everyones racing around changing their builds - lol and now few people have any idea of whats actually going on it seems (not that im a true expert) - im just upset cause i got this real cool ele and real cool solo monk that i had so much fun taking people to UW with me on my solo monk - i never really hard core soloed cause i found it kinda boring - so what i did was use my solo monk to tank why the rest of the party aided me in killing creatures - but as most UW savvy people know the solo monk can only solo up to a point so it was always fun and cool and still very challeging. its nice that the ai are now aware of aoes, good for them lol but like i just hope at the very least they modify it so that they are not so bloody silly about how they deal with it, its just funny. but like i dunno, i just hope they at the very least fix the ai coding a bit . I think its easier, actually, especially to solo cause lol you have so much more time to cast stuff - what it does however is make it take sooooo much longer to do anything - which yea lol is funny cause i mean i dont have all the time in the world dedicated to chasing tundra giants and stone summit. Yet, once again ironically - a bot will be made , i personally dont support this but to each his own, especially because now it takes longer more people will prolly be inclined to programming themselves bots which (although most likely not the purpose of the update) a likely side effect none the less.

but well that bout it just wanted to say it was fun debating with all ya all - no hard feelings to those that insulted zelda an RPG that i love...sure im prolly not hardcore or nothin - but i love zelda and i love morrowind and oblivion should rock, and ill be so happy and its release is not far off.

No, I bought a Swiss Army Knife and they took out the carving tool.

Yes, I think all professions should be able to solo, and I believe they can, correct me if I am wrong, but the point still remains, they don't like solo play, I'm sure this is in large part due to bots, but making the game unwelcoming to all solo players is not the best choice, IMO, but it is their game right?

+1. I just wanna add that the rangers will be more needed in farming parties than Ele or Me i think. Because rangers can be damage dealers and the ele's giving AoE damage... I hope in a week ppl will understand that

I've seen a Pure Mesmer build that can solo aataxes. And it doesn't use AoE if I Remember Correctly.

How has Anet made the game unwelcoming to solo'ers? You said yourself it's still very easy to do.

Playing with henchies isn't classed as solo-ing... solo-ing refers to going out alone, just you.

And pre-searing is a training ground to get you used to the interface, nothing more.

Actually, those sweatshops of people farming are the problem. And frankly, getting rid of solo play won't stop them, they'll just join in groups and still get the same amount of gold/items for their enterprise.

(Bots, for that matter, could also be programmed to work in groups with networked computers).

There's just no way to stop people from buying Gold online, even though I agree such practices hurt the economy.

Anyway, as it's been mentioned the patch really doesn't stop solo farming anyway, so the point is moot.

So, I ask again, what's wrong with legitimate players wanting to play the game solo?

Actually, from the start they have always discouraged solo play, Gaile posted on pg 17 to this very extent...just tired of defending the way I like to play I guess...since the dawn of solo monkies, people have hated us,no?

Well, yes they own rights to the game, but why make a game if no one likes it? It's all about how much they can profit from it. Companies are ussually swayed by consumer decisions. When the who diet and no sugar craze started, Coca Cola made Diet coke so people would continue to buy their product. But I think any company would do what the majority of their players find acceptable and enjoyable to keep peaple playing and buying accounts. Or do they not care as much since with no monthly fee we've already served our purpose...?

I wasn't talking about botting or ebaying. I was talking about solo farming done by a HUMAN player. The LEGIT sort of farming. This sort did never and doesn't hurt anyone.

I am all for whacking bots and ebayers. I only would like to be able to play GW in many different ways including solo farming every now and then. Perferrably without someone giving me the "GW is a multiplayer" mantra every time I do it. Yes, the patch made bot farming harder. Good! It didn't made solo farming harder (despite it probably was ONE of Anets intentions to do that patch). Also good! It still leaves a sad feeling to see (even in one of Gaile's posts) that a part of your playstyle is actually unwelcome in GW.

Good question...

just a thought but when u take ele as a profession now how does it work in the ice mountians when u first get the fire storm skill and you are told to use it to kill the 3 or so waves of ice golems that attack so u can protect the woman (forgot her name) while she completes her ritual?

this is like the update where they screwed all the material prices but still left the crafters charging more to craft items (linen) than it is to buy it

why does anet always talk about we are going to do this soon (auction house/ system etc) then go off on a mad tangent and do something totally different

<looks over at dungeon siege 2 hes been meaning to play>

I certainly haven't hated solo farmers. What they do is thier own business.

I just don't agree with the fact that one profession/build is so much more proficient at it than any other.

I'm almost tempted to delete a character and create a new one to find out...

That point is certainly valid...although we can all create any professions we want right?