Poll on the 10/10 and 10/11 Update

I agree whole heartedly.

Many ppl don't get the point.

Why pve should be supposed to be like real pvp?

If I want pvp enemies, I go pvp.

And once again, I have NEVER seen anyone in tomb/arenas run like a chicken from a throw dirt, kindle arrow, unholy feast, fireball...the list is really long.

well thats a good argument.

Yes lets get rid of some of our playerbase, that will make the game healthear.

you may not like them, (i dont agree with some of them at all) but i find this "go away" attitude rather silly, do you really want to encourage people to stop playing?

And im actually serios about this, not all farmers JUST farm. they also play the game, help other guildees / friends out.

And before you argue "i dont care their stupid, i want them to go", just think they are not ALL stupid.

Telling people to stop playing is not good for the game, and not a very good argument in defense of the game.

this game is no harder than it was the day i got it.... which... was the release date... all they have acomplished is putting people off the game... making people loose faith in anet games and their respective games.. and make the enemies annoying... NOT harder... like i said... i see my self as a crap player..... im no good at pvp... i die horribly and quickly unless im using my monk... then i just sit their and laugh at the opponents futile attempts at killing me.. all i did to my invinci monks build is to change a whopping 3 skills and its as easy as it was...

i dont party play any more so i dont know... i can do most missions in the game on my own with my monk and my warrior... the ones i cant i just get a healer hench to follow me.. but ive been told the missions are alot harder now... and the newer players cant do it.. by agreeing to their new updates you are admitting to being a selfish twat who thinks the game should be exclusive to adults and people who spend their lives in the game..

I get up at 5.45am, have a horrendous commute to work on a motorbike, a 10 hour day dealing with arrogant people (refer to "stupid" post), a horrendous commute home on a motorbike. get in around 7.00pm. Washed out. get something to eat, start playing at 7.30pm.

At this point, i want to have a relaxing game, chatting to my mates and killing things (at this point, i am tempted to say: refer to "stupid" post). Ok, so the PvE is easy. So what? If you want a challenge, go PvP or GvG. I like easy, is stress free.

Bear in mind, this game is intended to capture an audience from 12+. Whilst most of us have clocked up serious hours learning the game (over 900 hours for me), the skills, builds etc, I dont see why, when you hit on a build that works for you, you get called "stupid" when you point out that it has been stuffed up. Ok, i will change the build and skillset and have as much fun, but why should I? Cos ArenaNet said that there was an imbalance in PvE and PvP? Again, i say "so what?". Its 2 different styles of gaming so let there be two modes of play. I seriously dont see too many 12+ year olds enjoying GW as it stands.

I enjoy this game for the trading (even though the economy is seriously stuffed up) and to get trade materials, I farm. After nearly 14 hours on the go during my working day, its both easy and enjoyable. It will still be easy, but less enjoyable. I ENJOYED watching a double meteor shower as my e/me and shouting "Feel ma POWAH" and the party having a laugh. Thats gone. Why? Cos some brainiac thought it was a good idea.

Someone asked why monsters should be stupid, i say why shouldnt they? Its not as if a Hulking STONE Elemental, or an overgrown mutant skorpion has much in the way of an IQ.

GW have a lot of things very very right about this game, and some very very wrong. Their latest patch was one of the latter.

I also have to question this thread. All we are doing is ranting, and one really not very nice person insulting, to ne effect. We will all adapt our play styles/builds/skillsets/strategies and get on with it. ArenaNet dont care about our ranting. They see it as an improvement, and i cant see them backing out the update.

I am gonna show my feelings through my wallet. I have cancelled the pre-order for Chapter 2, and I know a LOT of people doing the same. Lets see
if ArenaNet take any notice of that, cos they arent taking any notice of their players opinions....

I'll buy an extra copy for you.

Do you think ANet won't fix up some fire skills? Is that what this is about?

Remember when Protective Bond was the all-important skill to farm? Thank god ANet didn't tweak it!

Remember all that Spirit Spamming in HoH? Thank god ANet didn't touch spirits!

Remember how Water Magic was pretty much useless? Thank god ANet didn't make Water skills better!


This isn't aimed at you directly fachtna, but to everyone who thinks the fire skills are useless forever:

Have you even been paying attention at what ANet has been doing for us since the game was released?!



edit: Summary.

ArenaNet has continuously tweaked skills that had a negative effect on playing, or were popularly thought "useless." Their buff to the Water Magic line is a clear indication that they [b]do[/i] listen to us and see how the game is being played.

Now, this time Fire Magic was affected as an unintended result. They admitted they made a mistake in allowing such a group of skills to be rendered ineffective, and apologized. Do you think they won't fix it? Really?

I know when we all want something fixed, we want it right away. When our internet dies, we want it back up immediately. When our cable goes out for the tv, we want it back right away. We, as a collective people, are not very patient. But sometimes it takes time to get things fixed and stable. Just, give it a little time. The update isn't even 3 days old.

Please?

same idea but the one you mention is a specific skill while my idea could be applied across lines and professions with adjustments

i would change the DOT AOE to reflect a different way of high damage for a very high cost skill with the ability of the mob to run out from repeated AOE skills .

as it is now you pay 25 energy 5 sec cast and exhaustion for maybe 29 damage and denying a small patch of ground in a very large area for maybe 10 seconds.

i would turn that into an airborne form of fireball (AOE) with about half the total damage including the burning while running from it with the same lower costs of fireball

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if ArenaNet take any notice of that, cos they arent taking any notice of their players opinions....[/QUOTE]

That has to be said

alot of people have complianed about the buggyness of this update, including me (lets sidestep all the other issues, this is the one that matters the most).

Instead of taking it back and brining it back when its properly tested, we are told that no it will not be taken back and we are to wait untill its all fixed.

hmmm and how long do we have to wait, untill they are back from the weekend ay??

Mmm, I think adding the 'on-fire' effect might be good for Firestorm, since they can flee from it unmolested for the most part. If I recall correctly though, doesn't Meteor Shower knock down? I don't know the gap between knockdowns, but does it need the 'on-fire' effect if they're knocked down repeatedly? (To reiterate, I don't know the gap between knockdowns, so maybe they CAN flee.) If they can, maybe they could shorten the time between knockdowns, and shorten the overall duration of the skill, but guage the damage up so it still does the same amount. Maybe give some enemies Balanced Stance so they can still flee from it? I dunno.

I think just adding the 'on-fire' effect to all the AoE's isn't a great idea. I think this opportunity should be taken to sort of make them unique in a way. But this is a much better line of discussion than simply "omg fix it!" "omg no, u adapt!" "omg f u, i r play fun, fix fix!" "hahah, noob cant adapt".

Le sigh...

I like the updates

Okay, for all of you saying that the update is good because it made things "harder", I understand your point. But then again, why have a character solely based upon AoE spells, (Fire elementalist), and then change the game to make that character completely useless. This patch didnt tweak the gameplay, it completely changed it. Go make another entire game if you are not pleased with the results of this one ANET, because you just completely made my Elementalist useless with my Ragos Flame Staff, so I'd like my 120k back please.. You can't just completely change the gameplay without adding a supplement, like more Fire Skills.

Water Magic
Earth Magic
Air Magic.

It's your choice to play Fire, it's not your only option. And have some faith, please. I am sure ANet will touch up fire skills so they're reliable again. I won't be disappointed if we start seeing other elements wanted in PUGs though. (ha, like that'd ever happen. )

just to quibble a bit i would like to point out at even a brain dead anything thatfeels pain will move by reflex alone to get away from it.

it may not even think how can i avoid this but will simply move.

with even a small amount of brains it will look for a clear area to go.

just because you enjoyed a shooting gallery with the targets standing in one spot doesnt mean enouh think like you to make a real difference.

before getting your feathers ruffled think that they will be working on adjusting this for at least as long as the faction setup which took adjusting, seeing the effects and then more adjusting.

take a break or a few weeks and try it again to see the difference.

rince and repeat as it will be very different by the time chapter 2 comes out.

who knows you might fall in live with it again (or not)

I think the point has been missed.

As far as i see it, this thread isnt about whether fire ele's have been knackered, its about an unpopular update that has been implemented by ArenaNet.

Its about a poll to get an indication of player opinion on the update, and that has shown to be negative. Last time i looked, 54% werent in favour of it, with 5% stating they couldnt care. The people who actually thing it is fine the way it is, is in the minority.

MY gripe is that ArenaNet wont take this opinion poll into account. They will do their own thing regardless. As a result, 54% (and for arguements sake, call that an approximate indicator of ingame feeling of players not voting here) are pissed off.

Pissed off players leave. That simple.

People like the insulting redneck and company may think this a good thing. Get rid of the 100:1 moron ratio. Go play a game that is less challenging. Those sorts. But follow the scenario through for a bit....

(Worst case)
Several thousand players leave. Spread across the servers, this might be negligable. But, you have less people online to form parties with. And we all know hard it can be to get a decent team as it is. Thats less people inputting to the economy, fewer rare crafting materials/weapons etc. Prices go up. People get pissed off cos they cant afford that +30 health upgrade. (30k at present with farming knackered, how is a newbie supposed to get that). people leave. People tell their mates not to buy it. Eventually, ArenaNet revenue is gonna be hit and they may decide to pull the plug. They can afford to piss off people to an extent and have them leave, they have had the initial purchase, but they cant afford to alienate people from buying chapter 2.

How many parents are gonna buy their kids Chapter 2 when they are already kicking their pc in frustration.

(Best case)
Reverse the update.
Let those people who want a challenge go PvP, or to any other game where they are playing humans.
Let those who like playing the game to meet new people, to help out new people, to stop new players getting ripped off (50g for black !!! Is a good price, honest guv) continue in PvE. The 12 year olds appreciate the help.

As has been stated, farmers dont just farm, ele's dont just use fire. But ArenaNet DO just seem to value ArenaNets opinion.

Thank you, you have been a lovely audience

the funny thing is... in the reply from anet refering to the patch... they say that people were complaining that it was to easy and thus for being one of the reasons for the update... so... they claim they listen then? looking at the top of the page... at the poll..... it clearly shows more people HATE it than LOVE it.... if they really want to listen to the players.... then why refuse to back date... how long could it take to back date? surely they would have backups incase they feck up.... seems sensible... most companies back up on a seperate hard drive then back up the back up in a seperate building..

Did you read my post?
I stated that my Elementalist was now useless "With my Ragos Flame Staff" implying to anyone with mediocre intelligence that this character is useless with Fire Magic only, not others.

So they should make 10000+ post on how ArenaNet has ruined their life? ArenaNet said that this new AI will stay. Adapt or leave.

Honestly that wasn't against the legitmate farmers. It was against the solo farmers. If you want to farm get some guildies together and farm. Hell i was farming for 'Encrusted Lodestones' when this patch came out. I did it with henchies but still a full party.

Coincidently since this new update came out i am getting better drops in some of explorable areas. Has anyone seen this or am i just having some luck?

BTW, i have seen some of the same arguments from PvPers when they didnt get UAS at retail (ie fix it or you are going to be sorry grrr!!). I didnt take them serious and i dont take you guys serious.

Have fun with your new game.

I'll say it once:



What is popular isn't always right, and what is right isn't always popular.

you ever seen a pitbull with its jaws locked and getting kicked in the nads. It has brains, but not enough to let go and run away.

stone elementals SHOULD be stupid. renegade elementals shouldnt. if they want realism (christ, realism in a fantasy RPG) let the humanoids be that bit smarter.

as an experiment, take a level 7 character outside sardelac and turn left. watch from how far the elementals come (waaaay outside ur aggro circle). now when you have 7 of them beating you, think, hmmm. AoE. Now its a defensive spell. launch firestorm, or any AoE, and they run away. then you just whip out a few fireballs, and done.

AAAARGH. keep getting sidetracked. This is a thread about opinions of the update, not a critical analyses of individual game styles....

I haven't like all the changes anet's made. The nerf to fragility when it was perfectly fine. So solo farmers aren't legit??? If they are gonna make it so that you can't solo farm the drops have to increase 8x. Well anet will see. Farmers are a huge part of the community whether you like it or not.

We all got the same update that gave the PvPers the UAS button, right?



Adapt or leave.

That's what ArenaNet are saying to their customers, and I think it's understandable that people have an opinion on it and aren't just shutting up and getting on with it as some people seem to think they should.

the government cut your porkbarrel farm subsity so go out and work for your crop instead of complaining

i honestly disagree on upping the drops for the very clear and simple reason they made a decision that this area will have this amount of loot and was intended to be handled by a party of 8 players working together and the loot from that area will be split randomly between the 8 players.

they didnt plan the game to be halloween trick or treat with

*AND ONE FOR YOU AND ONE FOR YOU AND ONE FOR YOU........*

if something is rare that does not mean everybody in the group gets one or that even a single person in the group will get one.

i pve and farm a bit but when did this get turned into an agricultural simulator

So, not only do you hate PvE, you've not played since before the patch got fixed. If you've actually played with the patch at all.

You realize you've just stated that you're a troll?

Honestly, you're just setting yourself up here: saying that you only use Fire Magic and that your character is now useless is pretty much admitting you have zero imagination or creativity. Even without getting into different elemental attributes (how much does a 20/20 focus take to obtain? 5 random collector items?) you could at least look at the Fire Magic spells. Firestorm and Meteor Shower not working? Use Meteor, Fireball, Rodgort's Invocation, Incendiary Bonds. If you can't make the monsters stay in the damage, make the damage stay with the monsters. All it takes is a working brain.

Otherwise, I'd be glad to take that "useless" Ragos Flame Staff off your hands

There's more to fire magic than Firestorm. In fact, Firestorm is damn awful unless 3 people Echo it. I myself always preferred the single-shot fire spells since they actually did something before the henchies killed my target.

and like i and others keep saying, drops in groups suck.

I would rather farm in groups, but doing that defets the point in farming.

and im not much of a farmer 400 out of 555 hours spent in teamplay.

And again your saying

adapt or leave.

Some people like me are getting annoyed becasue i have to adapt to STUPIDER behavior.

enemies that act like tennis balls, or just stand there doing nothing.

When farming trolls some get confused and stand INSIDE my aoe doing nowt.

you want me to adapt or leave to that, fine if that was my choice id choose leave, so saying adapt or leave isnt a very good way of defending the game.

and as to there being1000+ compliant posts, so what ill complain if i want to, thats how things get improved, people complaining.


i was never really a PVP'er so it didnt effect me, but they had a valid point.

for months unlocking skills was a grindfest, pathetic amounds of faction per win, or play PVE (EDIT PVE NOT PVP) to unlock, exactly what the box said it wasnt

skill not time played / that was a lie.(or as new labour say, giving it spin)

Its improved alot lately, but it was too slow to happen for some. (like months ffs)

So congrates on telling them to leave, you REALLY helped defend the game on that one.

There we go. I had a play with me e/me.

previous skillset:
Flare, Firestorm, Fireball, Meteor Shower, Fire Attunement and res

new skillset
Flare, Fireball, Incendiary Bonds, Fire Attunement, Conjure Phantasm and res (will eventually add Meteor)

Farming at Augury is still just as easy, if a little slower, as long as you have an invincimonk to keep them of your back.

So, if the purpose of the update was to knacker farming, it failed.

Is still an unpopular update :-)

But with enough of that whinging, i am off to see what the 1.2.01 update to x3 has in store for me. TO INFINITY AND BEYOOOOOOOOOOOND.......

The update's not a bad IDEA, but it could use a little work in execution. What they did seems to me a bit like going after a housefly with a mallet in your neighbor's house. You might get it, but some people might not like it.

Where is the game played?

Read the post 2 above this one, by fachtna. Fire magic isn't useless. People are already starting to adjust.

Personally i like the update, i think it's good to see a few different elemenalists now as i'm sure i've barely ever seen water spells till now.

I hope they keep the changes, it's how it should have been from release IMO.

...not 6-7 months later.

I agree with alex on this matter, i personally love the way the AI is smarter for both the mercs (Healer survives longer), and the monsters (they actually try and survive instead of being easy kills). I think that this is the whole point of streaming content in the first palce, to make the game constantly changing; i mean one week AoE is king, next week its time to try a new tactic. I LOVE IT

aye... fechtna and i were talking about and testing builds earlier... we have been duel farming together alot to save up for fissure armour .... well thats beside the point... with the odd back fire and a phantasm now and again... the old fire nuker is still in...

were adapting...... doesnt mean we want to

Why don't the AIs have different states? Aggressor & Non-Aggressor with random priority scripts. For example, the non-aggressor units could scatter while in AoE then regroup and attack the casters in the back while the aggressors keep the "tankers" occupied.

could not have said it better myself.
anyone with the time, willingness and ability to alter thier style to fit the game, will have no problem adapting to the changes made in this patch. it is only those who are unwilling and or unable to change that refuse to deal with it.
and tho those farmers saying "blah blah blah i cant make money anymore"
consider this; go into the trade forums, look at the high-dollar-bidders, and pm them and see how many of them made thier millions by farming. i'd hazard a guess that the answer is zero. most, if not all truly wealthy players aquired thier wealth from trading, the potential income is THOUSANDS of times higher, the downsides being;
-unlike farming, you CAN lose money when using trade is an income
-it consumes a very large amount of time (though the richer you get the less time it takes, and the higher the payoff, if you make the right moves).
-it requires an enormous amount of patience and confidence (99% of people sell the moment sh*t hits the fan, which can be a very, very bad move)
-you need to have at least some prior income/collateral to start (you cant trade with nothing), hence the phrase "it takes money to make money" when refering to trading/investing
-it takes a vast knowledge in market prices for items, knowing the "right" people, and having a good intuition for what will go up/down in price in the future.

in the begining at least trading is considerably harder than farming, but the amount of wealth you can aquire from it its virtually unparalleled.

I like the idea of the patch but the way they did it made about 60% of the characters that were out there USELESS. I also wouldnt mind the old way being brought back because 2 out of my 4 characters cannot be used to do much of anything right now...

I loved this game.

I now hate this game. I want my money back. I feel as though I bought a mercedes cool and sleek, and in the night someone swapped it for a nissan altima. Its not what i paid for.

I do not support the changes made. There are many other things that should have been "fixed" instead of angering the general population. The terrain in this game has some terrible flaws in it. A-net if you actually want us to buy your next game or expansion, you will need to lift the communist rule. I understand you want the best game possible, but we the people pay for the game. If you intend to continue your current behaviour might i suggest a warning change on the box.

" the game you buy today will change without your consent, deal with it"

Then we will see how sales go.

Thnx
P.S. its just my opinion, right or wrong in your eyes its still mine.

..and that is the way it is supposed to be. You are not supposed to intentionally steal drops from other casual players. By soloing and stealing all the drops you hinder other people's game as well as my game. Sure i can farm too but i dont want to be force to play your gamestyle just because you want 1000k in storage and 100k on each your characters.

I am not going to comment on that because i am sure ArenaNet is going to improve the AI from what Gaile has said.

You do that at your next job. Please tell me how many minutes you last? Complain is good and brings attention to problems. Obsessive complaints is not. That is why i didn't take the UAS PvPers and now PvEers serious.


I am not defending this game. I however would tell anyone who was doing something they hate or dislike to stop doing what they are doing. Many people hate this new update and the game. So stop playing and making your life miserable. The only way i could see someone who hates doing something still do it is if they are getting payed.

Also if a person sees my post and because of it stops playing Guild Wars then this community is stupider than i once thought.


That is because about 60% of the people playing Guild Wars can't adapt their current character to the recent update. The 60% is your figure not mine. I hope and pray it is much less than that.

You did read the EULA? I havent read it in a while but i am certain it says that ArenaNet can change anything in the game they want. That isnt verbatim but close enough.

my god you are right it does say that content may change and come to think of it they made a big thing about their streaming content to make changes in the game.