Me/Mo UW Solo Build
Mouse at Large
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Originally Posted by Avarre
With 15% dp -> remove focus -> 33hp
With 30% dp -> remove focus and one super rune -> 36hp
With 45% dp -> remove focus and two super runes -> eh 39 hp I'd suppose.
And so on
Just taking this a step further......I see a use for the Rockmolder as a replacement for the -50hp item 
With 30% dp -> remove focus and one super rune -> 36hp
With 45% dp -> remove focus and two super runes -> eh 39 hp I'd suppose.
And so on
Just taking this a step further......I see a use for the Rockmolder as a replacement for the -50hp item
mortaja
My foci r, beside the -50 1, a 20/20 chakram from collector and a -20hp golden 1. Combining this and swapping armor u always have a suitable amount of hp (between 20-50) to perform nicely. 
Lint
Good Job On Soloing UW, But cna u solo FoW is the real question..
mortaja
If u browse though some page in this thread u'll find some answers to your question Lint. 
Summing up the thing is that it's possible but not worth the effort (4 me, maybe others do it better of course).
Summing up the thing is that it's possible but not worth the effort (4 me, maybe others do it better of course).
Sab
What about the mixed Mursaat groups in Ice Flow? Jade Bows/Armors are easy enough on their own (beginning of Ring of Fire), but the mesmers and monks really screw things up. Anybody crazy enough to have tried soloing them?
Avarre
It's not the mesmers that seriously cause problems (SV with a jade armor hitting you = soon drain monk and mes energy), its the necros... -12 regen on a mesmer/monk really hurts, especially when you're getting energy drained.
Even set up with Watchful instead of ess bond, and vig spirit instead of power drain, you can't keep up with the degen. Even if necros aren't present, the energy surges... really suck... as well as the monster AI is very, very good at powerleaking your healing breeze
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Even set up with Watchful instead of ess bond, and vig spirit instead of power drain, you can't keep up with the degen. Even if necros aren't present, the energy surges... really suck... as well as the monster AI is very, very good at powerleaking your healing breeze
EDIT : Tied for largest thread in mesmer subforum
Sab
Heh, I haven't made it to the necro groups yet, but yeah I'd imagine mass degen is bad news.
Is there a breakpoint in cast speed where the AI stops Power Leaking your spells? I know that they can interrupt any 1 sec cast spells, so I'm thinking crank up FC to a certain point where they don't even bother interupting (maybe .66/.75 sec?).
(now the largest thread in the Mesmer forum)
Is there a breakpoint in cast speed where the AI stops Power Leaking your spells? I know that they can interrupt any 1 sec cast spells, so I'm thinking crank up FC to a certain point where they don't even bother interupting (maybe .66/.75 sec?).
(now the largest thread in the Mesmer forum)
Avarre
They can hit anything that has a cast time higher than 1/4 afaik, and you can't get healing breeze down that far. With 8~ fast cast it's something like .66 already.
Eles knock you down, mesmers rape your energy, necros give -12 degen... not a whole lot you can do versus them :/ Jades are easy, of course. If you got jades + monk, it would die as well.
Eles knock you down, mesmers rape your energy, necros give -12 degen... not a whole lot you can do versus them :/ Jades are easy, of course. If you got jades + monk, it would die as well.
Sentao Nugra
Might be a little late in the thread to put this in, but Ettin farming works if you sub Power Drain -> Cry of Frustration and Sympathetic Visage -> Channeling. Just interrupt one heal sig per Ettin with Cry and it will die (if you have IW up the whole time mind you.)
Mouse at Large
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Originally Posted by Sentao Nugra
Might be a little late in the thread to put this in, but Ettin farming works if you sub Power Drain -> Cry of Frustration and Sympathetic Visage -> Channeling. Just interrupt one heal sig per Ettin with Cry and it will die (if you have IW up the whole time mind you.)
Having the high Illusion (natch) I use IoH (for the run) to the Ettins and Phantom Pain to supplement the IW damage. Even without any interrupts, it gets the job done efficiently
Sentao Nugra
Which way are you getting to the ettins Mouse? If you leave from LA and know how to control/avoid aggro well you can make it all the way up to Ascalon Settlement with only having to go through the fire imps outside of D'Alessio.
onedevildog
Hi, I love your 55 Me/Mo concept. I have experimented with the Mesmer on a couple occasions, but have no practical experience to speak of (I only got as high as level 9 before deleting). I have not tried your 55 Me/Mo build yet, since my new Me/Mo is only level 5 However, I'm hoping to do some power leveling with my guild this week, and then try to assemble the skills to make a solo build.
Lately I have spent a fair amount of time with my 55 Mo/W, mostly practicing on trolls and avicara, but sneaking in an occasional UW run (America never seems to have favor when I'm online
). Since I'm most familiar with killing trolls, I was wondering how your build would work in the troll cave?
I'm used to aggroing 10+ trolls at a time with my Mo/W, but Shield of Judgement and Zealot's Fire make quick work of the trolls. I suppose you could use those same skills on a Me/Mo, but I think the purpose of using the Mesmer is to be somewhat different, so I wanted to avoid those two skills (but may try them just for fun). However, I was thinking Illusionary Weapon might take forever to kill a large group of trolls (I could be wrong of course).
So, I was trying to think of an alternative way to use the 55 Me/Mo with greater AoE damage, and I was wondering if Energy Surge might be suitable? Again, I don't know much about the Mesmer, so I'm searching for knowledge here, not stating something I know for fact. After a quick look at the Mesmer skills, I thought perhaps using Arcane Echo, then two casts of Energy Surge might work (repeated as necessary).
Any additional thoughts or comments, things you already tried that did or didn't work out, and so on, would be much appreciated. Thank you for an interesting build and topic discussion
However, I'm hoping to do some power leveling with my guild this week, and then try to assemble the skills to make a solo build.Lately I have spent a fair amount of time with my 55 Mo/W, mostly practicing on trolls and avicara, but sneaking in an occasional UW run (America never seems to have favor when I'm online
). Since I'm most familiar with killing trolls, I was wondering how your build would work in the troll cave? I'm used to aggroing 10+ trolls at a time with my Mo/W, but Shield of Judgement and Zealot's Fire make quick work of the trolls. I suppose you could use those same skills on a Me/Mo, but I think the purpose of using the Mesmer is to be somewhat different, so I wanted to avoid those two skills (but may try them just for fun). However, I was thinking Illusionary Weapon might take forever to kill a large group of trolls (I could be wrong of course).
So, I was trying to think of an alternative way to use the 55 Me/Mo with greater AoE damage, and I was wondering if Energy Surge might be suitable? Again, I don't know much about the Mesmer, so I'm searching for knowledge here, not stating something I know for fact. After a quick look at the Mesmer skills, I thought perhaps using Arcane Echo, then two casts of Energy Surge might work (repeated as necessary).
Any additional thoughts or comments, things you already tried that did or didn't work out, and so on, would be much appreciated. Thank you for an interesting build and topic discussion
General Typhus
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Originally Posted by onedevildog
Hi, I love your 55 Me/Mo concept. I have experimented with the Mesmer on a couple occasions, but have no practical experience to speak of (I only got as high as level 9 before deleting). I have not tried your 55 Me/Mo build yet, since my new Me/Mo is only level 5 However, I'm hoping to do some power leveling with my guild this week, and then try to assemble the skills to make a solo build.
Lately I have spent a fair amount of time with my 55 Mo/W, mostly practicing on trolls and avicara, but sneaking in an occasional UW run (America never seems to have favor when I'm online ). Since I'm most familiar with killing trolls, I was wondering how your build would work in the troll cave?
I'm used to aggroing 10+ trolls at a time with my Mo/W, but Shield of Judgement and Zealot's Fire make quick work of the trolls. I suppose you could use those same skills on a Me/Mo, but I think the purpose of using the Mesmer is to be somewhat different, so I wanted to avoid those two skills (but may try them just for fun). However, I was thinking Illusionary Weapon might take forever to kill a large group of trolls (I could be wrong of course).
So, I was trying to think of an alternative way to use the 55 Me/Mo with greater AoE damage, and I was wondering if Energy Surge might be suitable? Again, I don't know much about the Mesmer, so I'm searching for knowledge here, not stating something I know for fact. After a quick look at the Mesmer skills, I thought perhaps using Arcane Echo, then two casts of Energy Surge might work (repeated as necessary).
Any additional thoughts or comments, things you already tried that did or didn't work out, and so on, would be much appreciated. Thank you for an interesting build and topic discussion
E-Surge is too little too slow. IW is constant 40 damage per second. This isn't meant for large groups really unless you have a lot of patience.
However, I'm hoping to do some power leveling with my guild this week, and then try to assemble the skills to make a solo build.Lately I have spent a fair amount of time with my 55 Mo/W, mostly practicing on trolls and avicara, but sneaking in an occasional UW run (America never seems to have favor when I'm online
). Since I'm most familiar with killing trolls, I was wondering how your build would work in the troll cave? I'm used to aggroing 10+ trolls at a time with my Mo/W, but Shield of Judgement and Zealot's Fire make quick work of the trolls. I suppose you could use those same skills on a Me/Mo, but I think the purpose of using the Mesmer is to be somewhat different, so I wanted to avoid those two skills (but may try them just for fun). However, I was thinking Illusionary Weapon might take forever to kill a large group of trolls (I could be wrong of course).
So, I was trying to think of an alternative way to use the 55 Me/Mo with greater AoE damage, and I was wondering if Energy Surge might be suitable? Again, I don't know much about the Mesmer, so I'm searching for knowledge here, not stating something I know for fact. After a quick look at the Mesmer skills, I thought perhaps using Arcane Echo, then two casts of Energy Surge might work (repeated as necessary).
Any additional thoughts or comments, things you already tried that did or didn't work out, and so on, would be much appreciated. Thank you for an interesting build and topic discussion
E-Surge is too little too slow. IW is constant 40 damage per second. This isn't meant for large groups really unless you have a lot of patience.
Avarre
For trolls (and Avicara), replacing the skills IW, SV, and power drain with SoJ, arcane echo and mantra of resolve is the most effective method (faster with zealots, sure, but this is more sustainable).
This build is more for killing single, large targets like terrorwebs, aatxe, and Keepers of Souls.
This build is more for killing single, large targets like terrorwebs, aatxe, and Keepers of Souls.
Mouse at Large
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Originally Posted by Sentao Nugra
Which way are you getting to the ettins Mouse? If you leave from LA and know how to control/avoid aggro well you can make it all the way up to Ascalon Settlement with only having to go through the fire imps outside of D'Alessio.
I tend to leave from Beetletun, cast mending and just run through everything until the troll area. However, the key to this is not to change into your 55hp gear until safely out of aggro range of any target trolls once you arrive. That way, you don't suffer the frustration of having anything kill you on the way
Sentao Nugra
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Originally Posted by Mouse at Large
I tend to leave from Beetletun, cast mending and just run through everything until the troll area. However, the key to this is not to change into your 55hp gear until safely out of aggro range of any target trolls once you arrive. That way, you don't suffer the frustration of having anything kill you on the way
I see... i (without illusion of haste) just run (in my full hp gear) through the fire imps. From there on it is a matter of watching your bubble.
I see... i (without illusion of haste) just run (in my full hp gear) through the fire imps. From there on it is a matter of watching your bubble.
LouAl
I tried killing trolls with IW and it just isn't worth it, obviously because of speed and the lack of being able to take on more than 5 or so. Avarre's suggestion of subbing in SoJ is exactly what I would suggest. The IW build also doesn't do exceptionally well against Avicara because with no way to slow down the dual shot fast attacks of the Fierce you will be dead quickly, but it can easily kill the Guiles and Ardents. Killing Guiles and Ardents (and Wise for that matter) with SoJ, while not impossible, is much more difficult than with IW.
offtopic:
BTW if anyone needs any Avicara Scalps I have quite a few (100+) and would gladly part with some of them (for a price of course )
offtopic:
BTW if anyone needs any Avicara Scalps I have quite a few (100+) and would gladly part with some of them (for a price of course
)
The Mo Show
Man this is a great build Avarra, i really like how you were able to come up with solo mesmer build. But, as a little note, I just wanted to say that personnally, i like to switch your inspiration points for domination points, and use Power Spike, so that the NMs take damage. I haven't found the extra energy cost to be a problem, and its very helpful when they drop faster. Obviously jsut personal preference, but overall, great build!! Gotta give you props man.
-The Mo Show
IGN-> Lily Evans Potter
-The Mo Show
IGN-> Lily Evans Potter
Avarre
One of the reasons I liked power drain (later on), is that I found that without it, soloing the terrorwebs is really difficult. They attack slowly and their hits only give 1 energy, and their spells aren't that fast and burn you almost constantly. Power drain helps give you a little (net 6) energy back in that case, especially when killing the last terrorweb, which doesn't hit enough to keep up energy (I usually have to switch to a +12 focus item or staff to cast breeze/spirit by the end of the fight).
Terrorwebs usually follow a cast - 2 attacks - cast - 2 attacks cycle (fireball and immolate) once their energy and major spells are gone (in case anyone is killing them, knowing that is a little handy).
Another skill I've seen used (on the Me/Mo thread on gwonline, which I must say, is a good deal less developed), is leech signet. This would net you 7, but the recharge is an obvious factor.
Glad you like the build
EDIT : Does anyone want me to try and record killing terrowebs? I'm not sure if anyone is interested or having trouble. If so, I can go try and get it done
Terrorwebs usually follow a cast - 2 attacks - cast - 2 attacks cycle (fireball and immolate) once their energy and major spells are gone (in case anyone is killing them, knowing that is a little handy).
Another skill I've seen used (on the Me/Mo thread on gwonline, which I must say, is a good deal less developed), is leech signet. This would net you 7, but the recharge is an obvious factor.
Glad you like the build
EDIT : Does anyone want me to try and record killing terrowebs? I'm not sure if anyone is interested or having trouble. If so, I can go try and get it done
Faer
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Originally Posted by Avarre
EDIT : Does anyone want me to try and record killing terrowebs? I'm not sure if anyone is interested or having trouble. If so, I can go try and get it done
If it's not too much trouble... I'm sure most of us would like to see that, actually. I'm down in the start chamber at the moment clearing the Aatxes and watching out for those Dying Nightmares... One of which just about tore me up because I hit Power Drain just a bit too quick.
Also, something not noted at the end of the first post, this build is also usable for farming Sand Drakes and Rockshot Devourers... Not that many people farm those, but hey, it works. I think somebody forgot to tell the Drakes that "Ward Against Melee" doesn't stop an IW mesmer... Also all types of Minotours.
Collector Armor material farming FTW!
Edit: Grasping Darknesses just got me, but oh well. The build works wonders, and they only killed me because I screwed up. Many thanks Avarre!
If it's not too much trouble... I'm sure most of us would like to see that, actually. I'm down in the start chamber at the moment clearing the Aatxes and watching out for those Dying Nightmares... One of which just about tore me up because I hit Power Drain just a bit too quick.Also, something not noted at the end of the first post, this build is also usable for farming Sand Drakes and Rockshot Devourers... Not that many people farm those, but hey, it works. I think somebody forgot to tell the Drakes that "Ward Against Melee" doesn't stop an IW mesmer... Also all types of Minotours.
Collector Armor material farming FTW!
Edit: Grasping Darknesses just got me, but oh well. The build works wonders, and they only killed me because I screwed up. Many thanks Avarre!
Reckless Abandon
Well.... you've got my attention enough to have me starting a mesmer.... This build owns, and that video was awesome.
Avarre FTW!
Avarre FTW!
Demon Rebel
lol, I think I am gonna finish my mes change her 2nd prof to Monk and caller her my WTFmes55'r.
Awesome thread!
For those looking to buy Enchant mods I'd recomend Lions Arch first, then Augury.
Anyone know how this build stacks up with the Queen outta Augury, the Well of Profane will trash the enchants but there might be hope (with a team).
I am kinda mad that I scrapped my Me/Mo to make a Me/N before I read this, I had just set her up with Desert collector armor too... doh!
Ty Avarre for making my Mesmer char's even more fun!
Awesome thread!
For those looking to buy Enchant mods I'd recomend Lions Arch first, then Augury.
Anyone know how this build stacks up with the Queen outta Augury, the Well of Profane will trash the enchants but there might be hope (with a team).
I am kinda mad that I scrapped my Me/Mo to make a Me/N before I read this, I had just set her up with Desert collector armor too... doh!
Ty Avarre for making my Mesmer char's even more fun!
LouAl
Any 55 hp build in the desert is asking for trouble (well of profane or vampiric touch = dead...not to mention that they will degen the crap out of you). You are much better off running a non-55 build out there (if you are trying to kill the queen)
Lord Xenos
wow this build is great but very hard to me.
Megla Zero
Hey Avarre... quick question. I know you use IW as your main attack in this build... and I've been thinking, would IW ignore the KD on SoJ... because you don't actually STRIKE the target (seeing as how IW does the damage instead of the weapon) but I'm not sure seeing as how I don't have a Mesmer (right now) so I can't exactly test it
Avarre
Yes, you ignore the damage and knockdown of SoJ. Just don't let IW wear off while hitting the target
MMSDome
thanks for build i want to try it out, proves again mesmers can do anything .
Im just curious what armor you have, enchanters, virtuosos, etc. Id like to have the exact same to be sure of myself.
.Im just curious what armor you have, enchanters, virtuosos, etc. Id like to have the exact same to be sure of myself.
Empirism
with terrible hangover i deleted my necro so made mesmer as replacement again, this build seem what Im gonna aim for ^^ great job (not mentioned enough )
ps. Still missing my necro (;
)ps. Still missing my necro (;
Avarre
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Originally Posted by MMSDome
thanks for build i want to try it out, proves again mesmers can do anything .
Im just curious what armor you have, enchanters, virtuosos, etc. Id like to have the exact same to be sure of myself. I have 15k noble armor. I had too much cash after the IDS rush and I thought 'whoa, black 15k would look cool.'
Nobles is actually in my opinion more useful than enchanter... I don't die to lack of energy (you're self sufficient). But sometimes when Prot gets distracted or I lag, I can get hit while casting it. Noble can save the day sometimes (a smite hit me in mid prot spirit earlier today, I took only 38 damage and lived, whereas a normal hit is a good deal more).
Plus Noble/Virt 15k has much higher style!
NOTE : At some point in the near future I'm updating the first post to hold not only the Solo UW build, but all the other 55 setups I've developed. Expect the 2man UW tanking build, avicara/troll builds and the run, and whatever else I feel like putting up (like more pictures). So watch this space.
.Im just curious what armor you have, enchanters, virtuosos, etc. Id like to have the exact same to be sure of myself. I have 15k noble armor. I had too much cash after the IDS rush and I thought 'whoa, black 15k would look cool.'
Nobles is actually in my opinion more useful than enchanter... I don't die to lack of energy (you're self sufficient). But sometimes when Prot gets distracted or I lag, I can get hit while casting it. Noble can save the day sometimes (a smite hit me in mid prot spirit earlier today, I took only 38 damage and lived, whereas a normal hit is a good deal more).
Plus Noble/Virt 15k has much higher style!
NOTE : At some point in the near future I'm updating the first post to hold not only the Solo UW build, but all the other 55 setups I've developed. Expect the 2man UW tanking build, avicara/troll builds and the run, and whatever else I feel like putting up (like more pictures). So watch this space.
Sentao Nugra
Im 99% sure that Avarre uses 15k nobles for his farming set, and uses the fow enchanters for other PvE
I use a full set of yaks bend courtly for my set
EDIT: Crap he beat me to it...
P.S. sorry for my absence this weekend Avarre, i wont be as tired this weekend so ill be up for filming our vid
I use a full set of yaks bend courtly for my set
EDIT: Crap he beat me to it...
P.S. sorry for my absence this weekend Avarre, i wont be as tired this weekend so ill be up for filming our vid
LightningHell
She's using Noble's, last time I heard, for his/her 55 set. (Since the Mez is female, I'll say "her".)
I use Noble's too, since personally I think Noble's set looks best.
I use Noble's too, since personally I think Noble's set looks best.
MMSDome
ty for advice now teach us to clear chaos planes
Avarre
The only possible tactic I can think of is to remove all your mesmer's armor and run across the plains, and the sheer shock will eradicate all mobs.
But it can't be soloed by mesmer. Nu-uh, no chance, sorry 1v1 with a mindblade doesn't give enough energy... and don't start about 9, even without degen they'd eat you
Not to mention it would take FOREVER to clear serpent... oh, its possible, if you memorize their heal spring pattern and don't miss any from whirling, but my oh my will it take some time.
But it can't be soloed by mesmer. Nu-uh, no chance, sorry
1v1 with a mindblade doesn't give enough energy... and don't start about 9, even without degen they'd eat you Not to mention it would take FOREVER to clear serpent... oh, its possible, if you memorize their heal spring pattern and don't miss any from whirling, but my oh my will it take some time.
Tiela
I have a (stupid ?) question : does the 17% enchantement on the sword really works (I mean, 17% for this exemple) even if you're not a warrior at all ?
thanks.
thanks.
Avarre
Yes, the enchant mod gives the modifier bonus regardless of class so long as you wield the weapon. The only thing requirement effects is the stated req mod (damage on weapons, and energy on focus items).
Tiela
Thanks Avarre, and btw, thanks for your post
I'll try this as soon as I can.
I'll try this as soon as I can.
IllusiveMind
Avarre you made my character priceless. Ah I love it!
Tiela
Oh I have another question, is there a place where you can go for some free training for this build before going to the UW ? I'm not familiar with the UW at all so, maybe I can spare some K by trying it somewhere else before...?
Thanks.
Thanks.
R_Frost
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Originally Posted by Tiela
Oh I have another question, is there a place where you can go for some free training for this build before going to the UW ? I'm not familiar with the UW at all so, maybe I can spare some K by trying it somewhere else before...?
Thanks. yeah go out of Destiney's and kill griffons, rockshots and sand giants or out of augury and take on hydra for practice. or go in the first area of the Elona's mission and practice on minotaurs and dune burrowers.
Thanks. yeah go out of Destiney's and kill griffons, rockshots and sand giants or out of augury and take on hydra for practice. or go in the first area of the Elona's mission and practice on minotaurs and dune burrowers.
R_Frost
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Originally Posted by Miss Persephone
I saved up the cash to try the UW again (I died instantly first couple of times I tried), and managed to clear the 12 aataxes in the first area - got my first ecto & my first sapphire in one run
I can finally experience the UW (on my own) since no-one in ToA will take a mesmer in a group. Thank you Avarre
i know this is a little late from the date of the post but if your looking for a monk or necro to go along if im availible i would be more then happy to do a 2 man UW run with a 55 mesmer. i know what the necro takes to support a 55 monk but does anything change for a 55 mesmer? ive done plenty of runs with my 55 monk and a few with my 55 mesmer. just message me in game, Richard Frost(Me/?), Nathan Wilde(Mo/?), or Lizzy Deathbane(N/Me) im usually on in the range of 7-10pm pst. this goes for any 55 Mesmer looking to have some UW fun
I can finally experience the UW (on my own) since no-one in ToA will take a mesmer in a group. Thank you Avarre
i know this is a little late from the date of the post but if your looking for a monk or necro to go along if im availible i would be more then happy to do a 2 man UW run with a 55 mesmer. i know what the necro takes to support a 55 monk but does anything change for a 55 mesmer? ive done plenty of runs with my 55 monk and a few with my 55 mesmer. just message me in game, Richard Frost(Me/?), Nathan Wilde(Mo/?), or Lizzy Deathbane(N/Me) im usually on in the range of 7-10pm pst. this goes for any 55 Mesmer looking to have some UW fun