Quivering Blade: What a load of crap. Yes I know you can plagued touched daze, big deal. it's still useless
Whirling Axe: Junk, it will be evaded. No one would take this over Eviscerate.
Healing Burst: Awful
Word of Censure: Awful
Illusionary Weaponry: Just take a warrior
Dwarven Battle Stance: For 10 seconds you interrupt RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO all
About every ele elite that isn't an energy management skill - excluding maybe shockwave (for HA) star burst (it's a lot of damage :\) and GoR because it just rocks
Wither: Junk
... that was off the top of my head so i'm probably missing some really obvious ones
Worst Elite in the Game
yesitsrob
Dinkytowner
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Originally Posted by yesitsrob
Healing Burst: Awful
I like running this skill on the infuser/spiker in a 6-spiker bloodspike. Nice self heal and there's usually someone next to you. Absolutely no other use for this skill.
I wouldn't say quite awful, but definately not elite.
I like running this skill on the infuser/spiker in a 6-spiker bloodspike. Nice self heal and there's usually someone next to you. Absolutely no other use for this skill.
I wouldn't say quite awful, but definately not elite.
carbajac
Yep, Spoil Victor is a very terrible elite, but my vote is goes to Spirit Light Weapon.
Also, for yesitsrob, half of the skills you listed work in some powerful builds, just because someone won't take Whirling Axe over Eviscerate doesn't make it one of the worst elites in the game.
Also, for yesitsrob, half of the skills you listed work in some powerful builds, just because someone won't take Whirling Axe over Eviscerate doesn't make it one of the worst elites in the game.
Opeth
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Originally Posted by yesitsrob
About every ele elite that isn't an energy management skill - excluding maybe shockwave (for HA) star burst (it's a lot of damage :\) and GoR because it just rocks water trident rocks!
Mera Regila
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Originally Posted by yesitsrob
Quivering Blade: What a load of crap. Yes I know you can plagued touched daze, big deal. it's still useless
Wither: Junk LOL Quivering Blade has the same damage as Silverwing Slash, Galrath Slash, or Dragon Slash even. ON TOP of this it is TWICE as spammable, you can put up a lot of dps using this skill with other sword attacks.
Wither, one of the best Necro elites IN EXISTANCE. If you stack Wither and Maliase on a monk, you can give him 0 or - energy regeneration, crippling him, and you can give sizable degen when combined with other hexes.
Wither: Junk LOL Quivering Blade has the same damage as Silverwing Slash, Galrath Slash, or Dragon Slash even. ON TOP of this it is TWICE as spammable, you can put up a lot of dps using this skill with other sword attacks.
Wither, one of the best Necro elites IN EXISTANCE. If you stack Wither and Maliase on a monk, you can give him 0 or - energy regeneration, crippling him, and you can give sizable degen when combined with other hexes.
Cowboy Nastyman
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Originally Posted by Mera Regila
LOL Quivering Blade has the same damage as Silverwing Slash, Galrath Slash, or Dragon Slash even. ON TOP of this it is TWICE as spammable, you can put up a lot of dps using this skill with other sword attacks.
Wither, one of the best Necro elites IN EXISTANCE. If you stack Wither and Maliase on a monk, you can give him 0 or - energy regeneration, crippling him, and you can give sizable degen when combined with other hexes. until the monk swaps weapons that is hitting 0 en and removing them with very little effort
Wither, one of the best Necro elites IN EXISTANCE. If you stack Wither and Maliase on a monk, you can give him 0 or - energy regeneration, crippling him, and you can give sizable degen when combined with other hexes. until the monk swaps weapons that is hitting 0 en and removing them with very little effort
Lordhelmos
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Originally Posted by Mera Regila
LOL Quivering Blade has the same damage as Silverwing Slash, Galrath Slash, or Dragon Slash even. ON TOP of this it is TWICE as spammable, you can put up a lot of dps using this skill with other sword attacks.
Wither, one of the best Necro elites IN EXISTANCE. If you stack Wither and Maliase on a monk, you can give him 0 or - energy regeneration, crippling him, and you can give sizable degen when combined with other hexes. I second on quivering being an awesome elite. It deals good damage, is cheap in adrenaline and the dazed condition is great to plague off. The fact that quivering blade only cost 4 means you can spam it to charge other elites. Currently I have a nasty shivers warrior that uses quivering blade in a spam to charge Sun and Moon slash, which cuts through defenses and still allows me to shiver slash an enemy, then in turn quivering is recharged by SnM then spamming quivering recharges SnM..... think about it, a warrior with an unblockable attack 44 energy with spinal shivers and a cold weapon ALSO with a spammable galrath slash, ability to daze and interrupt on every hit. Im a monk's worst nightmare.
Wither, one of the best Necro elites IN EXISTANCE. If you stack Wither and Maliase on a monk, you can give him 0 or - energy regeneration, crippling him, and you can give sizable degen when combined with other hexes. I second on quivering being an awesome elite. It deals good damage, is cheap in adrenaline and the dazed condition is great to plague off. The fact that quivering blade only cost 4 means you can spam it to charge other elites. Currently I have a nasty shivers warrior that uses quivering blade in a spam to charge Sun and Moon slash, which cuts through defenses and still allows me to shiver slash an enemy, then in turn quivering is recharged by SnM then spamming quivering recharges SnM..... think about it, a warrior with an unblockable attack 44 energy with spinal shivers and a cold weapon ALSO with a spammable galrath slash, ability to daze and interrupt on every hit. Im a monk's worst nightmare.
HaloGrunt
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Originally Posted by Artdeux
Defiant was Xinrae. Rt's cannot tank.
heh. how else could my ritualist survive over 20 minutes ON HIS OWN in pvp random arenas? of course it was against 3 melee's, but still.
i also farm grawl ill have you know
i also farm grawl ill have you know
Barrett
skull crack = waste of a slot and waste of a siggy of cap
gasmaskman
I'm surprised not many people said Seeping Wound...especially when you say Skull Crack and Quivering Blade.
Yanman.be
Wither sucks because Malaise is there.
Spoil Victor is nice, but useless.
Spoil Victor is nice, but useless.
stokey
Vote goes for seeping wound
Racthoh
Primal Rage. I thought Shove was bad because you lose all adrenaline and all non-attack skills get blacked out, but Primal Rage disabling ALL skills for 10 seconds AND it's a stance? So no IAS, no speed boost? Kiting > your elite slot.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Barrett
skull crack = waste of a slot and waste of a siggy of cap
It has a use, therefore it is not the worst elite.
My vote goes to one of the numerous ritualist and assassin elites I can't remember, because they're so completely unused I've never heard of or seen them since capping.
My vote goes to one of the numerous ritualist and assassin elites I can't remember, because they're so completely unused I've never heard of or seen them since capping.
LuckAss
I have to pick a mesmer elite, cause i don't have much knowledge about other profession elites. Then it will be definitly Keystone Signet, I even haven't capped it yet!
Ss Executioner
Wow I can't beileve more people ahven't said Archer Signet.
It is in expertise.... to make it good you need high expertise... but then if you HAVE high expertise then it isn't useful...... The skill needs to be moved to Marksmanship or something... its pathetic where it is
It is in expertise.... to make it good you need high expertise... but then if you HAVE high expertise then it isn't useful...... The skill needs to be moved to Marksmanship or something... its pathetic where it is
Timmy Shinobi
keystone sig ftl 
Poison Ivy
Seeping Wound...What the hell was Anet thinking
Trylo
umm...
energy boon?
ya thats the worst. by far.
energy boon?
ya thats the worst. by far.
Kwisatz_Haderach
Seeping Wound no question
if you want the extra degen its so much easier to throw some other con on and save you leet
if you want the extra degen its so much easier to throw some other con on and save you leet
Avenged Darkness
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Originally Posted by yesitsrob
Quivering Blade: What a load of crap. Yes I know you can plagued touched daze, big deal. it's still useless
Whirling Axe: Junk, it will be evaded. No one would take this over Eviscerate.
Healing Burst: Awful
Word of Censure: Awful
Illusionary Weaponry: Just take a warrior
Dwarven Battle Stance: For 10 seconds you interrupt RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO all
About every ele elite that isn't an energy management skill - excluding maybe shockwave (for HA) star burst (it's a lot of damage :\) and GoR because it just rocks
Wither: Junk
... that was off the top of my head so i'm probably missing some really obvious ones Wither is like the best necro hex in the game, pvp wise. IW is the only decent mesmer pve skill. Whirling Axe is only 2 adrenaline, which is why it may seem so pointless. Healing Burst is an amazing skill if your team is coordinated.
None of those skills that you listed are THAT bad.
Whirling Axe: Junk, it will be evaded. No one would take this over Eviscerate.
Healing Burst: Awful
Word of Censure: Awful
Illusionary Weaponry: Just take a warrior
Dwarven Battle Stance: For 10 seconds you interrupt RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO all
About every ele elite that isn't an energy management skill - excluding maybe shockwave (for HA) star burst (it's a lot of damage :\) and GoR because it just rocks
Wither: Junk
... that was off the top of my head so i'm probably missing some really obvious ones Wither is like the best necro hex in the game, pvp wise. IW is the only decent mesmer pve skill. Whirling Axe is only 2 adrenaline, which is why it may seem so pointless. Healing Burst is an amazing skill if your team is coordinated.
None of those skills that you listed are THAT bad.
llsektorll
i'd have to say warriors endurance.... like they need energy and if they do u'd just rather be a thumper...
NinjaKai
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Originally Posted by Timmy Shinobi
keystone sig ftl
If you have a signet build Which aren't useless. Then keystone is a gem in your crown.
If you have a signet build Which aren't useless. Then keystone is a gem in your crown.
NinjaKai
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Originally Posted by Avenged Darkness
Wither is like the best necro hex in the game, pvp wise. IW is the only decent mesmer pve skill. Whirling Axe is only 2 adrenaline, which is why it may seem so pointless. Healing Burst is an amazing skill if your team is coordinated.
None of those skills that you listed are THAT bad. I only wonder how much thought he actually put into his post.
None of those skills that you listed are THAT bad. I only wonder how much thought he actually put into his post.
Rera
Dragon Slash > Quivering Blade. As covered in the Cleave vs. Eviscerate discussion, low adren skills make your high adren skills less efficient. Contrary to what someone posted, you do not spam quivering to build adrenalin. Dragon Slash is a disgusting engine for powering high-cost skills like galrath/silverwing (and, of course, itself).
The high spammability of Quivering compared to DS is an illusion - with the +5a gain from hitting with DS, QB is only slightly more spammable than DS. The big difference is that DS makes *all* of your adrenal skills spammable, whereas QB is only spammable on its own. The primary disadvantage of DS is the high initial cost, so it doesn't play well in situations where you're likely to lose all of your adrenalin frequently.
As others have stated, the usefulness of Wither is mitigated by negative energy weapon switching. While it might not be the worst elite it's probably not "zomg t3h ub4r necro hex!!!" either.
The high spammability of Quivering compared to DS is an illusion - with the +5a gain from hitting with DS, QB is only slightly more spammable than DS. The big difference is that DS makes *all* of your adrenal skills spammable, whereas QB is only spammable on its own. The primary disadvantage of DS is the high initial cost, so it doesn't play well in situations where you're likely to lose all of your adrenalin frequently.
As others have stated, the usefulness of Wither is mitigated by negative energy weapon switching. While it might not be the worst elite it's probably not "zomg t3h ub4r necro hex!!!" either.
ropes782
I have been reading through alot of peoples posts and have found that people are really just saying the skill and maybe one bad thing about it. If a skill is the WORST skill in the game then you should give your reasons.
Anyways, here is my oppinion on the WORST elite in GW.
(some of you have mentioned this one already)
Skill: Archer's Signet (3sec casting time/45sec recharge)
Description: Elite Signet. All your non-attack skills are disabled for x seconds. For 30 seconds, your next x bow attacks cost no energy.
Attribute: Expertise
Why is this the worst elite you ask? Let me explain.
This may be energy management, but this elite is in the attribute EXPERTISE. For this skill to be relatively useful to anyone, expertise would need to be at 10 so that skills are disabled for only 10secs and the next 4 bow attacks cost no energy. HOWEVER, with 10 in expertise already, all your bow attacks AND all other skills will cost 40% less energy anyways.
Another point to look at is the fact that it takes 3 seconds to fully cast meaning it wastes your time and it can be interupted easily. Also, there is a 45 second recharge on this thing which is way to long for a recharge on a skill like this.
Things Guild Wars could do to make this skill worth while:
1. Change the attribute to Marksmanship, it deals with bow attacks and its "Archer's" Signet for f@#$s sake.
2. Change the casting cost to 2 seconds.
3. Change the recharge to something like 30 seconds.
4. Don't have it disable skills for so long (take off maybe a second or two).
If anyone knows a build that Archer's Signet actually could POSSIBLY work for in any way, please let me know. Cause right now, I could only see this skill working against an Energy Denial Character that keeps your energy at 0 100% of the time. (i was just informed that this skill is good for spamming concussion shot. Don't know how useful that would be though)
Anyways, here is my oppinion on the WORST elite in GW.
(some of you have mentioned this one already)
Skill: Archer's Signet (3sec casting time/45sec recharge)
Description: Elite Signet. All your non-attack skills are disabled for x seconds. For 30 seconds, your next x bow attacks cost no energy.
Attribute: Expertise
Why is this the worst elite you ask? Let me explain.
This may be energy management, but this elite is in the attribute EXPERTISE. For this skill to be relatively useful to anyone, expertise would need to be at 10 so that skills are disabled for only 10secs and the next 4 bow attacks cost no energy. HOWEVER, with 10 in expertise already, all your bow attacks AND all other skills will cost 40% less energy anyways.
Another point to look at is the fact that it takes 3 seconds to fully cast meaning it wastes your time and it can be interupted easily. Also, there is a 45 second recharge on this thing which is way to long for a recharge on a skill like this.
Things Guild Wars could do to make this skill worth while:
1. Change the attribute to Marksmanship, it deals with bow attacks and its "Archer's" Signet for f@#$s sake.
2. Change the casting cost to 2 seconds.
3. Change the recharge to something like 30 seconds.
4. Don't have it disable skills for so long (take off maybe a second or two).
If anyone knows a build that Archer's Signet actually could POSSIBLY work for in any way, please let me know. Cause right now, I could only see this skill working against an Energy Denial Character that keeps your energy at 0 100% of the time. (i was just informed that this skill is good for spamming concussion shot. Don't know how useful that would be though)
Lambentviper
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Originally Posted by Avarre
My vote goes to one of the numerous ritualist and assassin elites I can't remember, because they're so completely unused I've never heard of or seen them since capping.
just because you dont see people using them doesnt mean its bad imo.
there were plenty of elites people didnt use until one brave person tried it out thoroghly and now it may dominate in HA.
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Dragon Slash > Quivering Blade.
you drive a good arguement, but im afraid this is a thread for worst elites. saying that dragon slash > quivering blade doesnt make quivering blade as crappy as everyone thinks it is About Archer's Signet {E} and spamming Concussion Shot: The better elite to take would be Marksman's Wager, though it takes up a preparation, it also gives you energy, not just reducing the cost of attack to 0. The downside is missing your target, which really shouldnt be happening anyways. And you can always bring a second preparation since MW only lasts 1/2 the time without serpent's quickness or quickening zephyr But apparently, you seem to be one of those people who rather play what everyone else is instead of heading the new builds.
Rera
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But apparently, you seem to be one of those people who rather play what everyone else is instead of heading the new builds.
If this comment is directed at me, I'm not sure why you would think so. If not, ignore me.
yesitsrob
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Wither is like the best necro hex in the game, pvp wise.
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Quote: Wither, one of the best Necro elites IN EXISTANCE. If you stack Wither and Maliase on a monk, you can give him 0 or - energy regeneration, crippling him, and you can give sizable degen when combined with other hexes. you must face shite monks, that's all I can say - any average, hell, any below average monk will focus swap off a malaise/wither - quite frankly, Wither is like... 4 degen that I can remove without hex removal. Actually, the degen on it is pointless.... Malaise is ok because it's not elite.
Quote: Healing Burst is an amazing skill if your team is coordinated. If my team was as coordinated as EvIL it would still suck.
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Whirling Axe is only 2 adrenaline, which is why it may seem so pointless
You'll also find you disable it more often than not. In fairness... it's an axe skill, and sadly all axe elites are going to struggle with what I think is the best elite in the game, and that's eviscerate. I forgot about Water Trident. It does rock. my bad Quote:
That's because in high end PvP everyone is running a cookie cutter.
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