Is anyone else worried about the new salvage options?

Nobody buys those now, just use collector's and greens for that reason. Period.

More variety not less cause now I can put it on whatever staff skin I want. You're missing this aspect.

just exactly what aspect am i missing. i didnt miss the fact there was more variety. sorry if i made that seem so. it was never about variety, but what the costs will be after this happens and how bad it will be on the casual players. and im far from a casual player my self

Ok, fine, for MOST prices they go down, for casters they don't necessarily go up...just shift from greens to mods on things no one uses because greens are better. Again, that's a plus, not a negative.

It won't be bad for casual players though, unless the prices for weapons sky-rocket. Casual players can save plenty of gold through questing and selling whites to the merchant, it will be even better for casual players when those elusive items become affordable for them.

How are cheaper prices bad for casual players?

Until supply takes over and the inherent mod plummet to <5k and the staff is now 8k or so max total, just like kephet's refuge....

just remember, Heroes need equipment!
more demmand will lead to higher prices. the new salvage option might bring down prices of 100k+ items, but the demand might just be high enough to generate a market for below 1k items, effectively leading to rising (yet cheap) prices.

It's a pretty broad generalization to imply that people who only play a little do not care about having cool-looking weapons. I disagree. Playing all day every day doesn't magically create appreciation for nice-looking gear, and only playing casually doesn't drain one's sense of style.

I think you're right. And now those people in the first group will be able to get any skinned weapon that they fancy, and still have it be as effective as the "ugly" skins that don't sell for mass platinum stacks. "I think a golden phoenix blade would look really good on my warrior, I think I'll pick one up" would be something that a "casual" gamer would be able to say, knowing that the GPB that he goes out and gets will still be as effective as the dadao sword that the collectors offer. How awesome is that?

Hey man, just because I'm a GW addict doesn't mean that I can't stick up for the kids that aren't, .

Besides, I'm not super-rich and I can't go out and impulse-buy really pretty weapons. I like impulse-buying things, and I like super pretty weapons. Just think how happy Gosu will be when I tell her she can get any darn type of weapon she wants for dirt cheap. Homegirl's going to go nuts!

And again, the only "rare" skins in the game are crystalline swords and dwarven axes. Every other skin can be easily dropped by just normal gameplay, but they all suck because they don't have max (or any) mods. The "rare" part comes in finding a combination of the two. FINDING that combination. Building that combination will not be rare at all. Which leads me to the best point that I can make here:

Item collectors, look at the bright side: When you put a perfect sundering and a perfect fortitude mod on a white weapon, it turns blue. I'm betting that inscriptions will be the same. So everyone that sees my soon-to-be-made 15^50 gothic dual axe in a trade window will know that it's not "godly" because it's blue, and not gold. Do I care? No. Would an item collector care? Yeah, I bet he would.

So Milias, your "stamp collection" won't be affected, because your stamps are gold, and my stamps would be blue. Your stamps would still be rare, and my stamps would be common, customized, and blood-stained. And we both win.

Collectors would be able still collect rare weapons, they just won't be able to sell those rare weapons to anyone other than other collectors. Normal folks like me would just go make blue 15^50 GPB's and swing them merrily at our foes, while collectors will wheel and deel for gold ones to put on their mules.

Peace, Kanwulf. We miss ya, bro. <3

Bleh, if style is so important, there are many nice looking green weapons availible. Hell, greens even have UNIQUE skins like kanaxai's axe.

i dont think there is any white GPB srry ppl ive only ever seen goldys sorry

Now we all will be the same no one will be uniq in there weapons selection kinda boring...
at Least real MMO have that option of being a bit more Uniq...

bah i dont know why i even bother to read thread like this since it iritates me to read some of the crap here t

this new salvage thing aint a smal deal A-net should give us some more info on this...

If you want to be unique, this will give you more options. Go find a skin that you don't see many people using and go mod it to meet your specs.

This update will once again set things right making FoW armor the most desirable high end ingame possession. This is how it should be.

At this point, I really wish someone from ANet/NCSoft would help clear up any confusion stemming from this, and set the record straight. Right now, we're just talking in terms of hypotheticals, would be nice to have something concrete.

For once, I agree with you milias. Right now it's impossible to argue, since we really don't know how Inscriptions will work.

Still, I like this point:

After going through all of these posts and reading everyone's points of view now more than ever I am sure we need this update. Those who oppose this update and claim they will quit are playing for the wrong reasons. If you are willing to hold ANet hostage over this update claiming you will quit if they don't meet your demands then that is REALLY sad. I am not going to name names, but you know who you are. This update will be welcomed by an enormous percentage of the Guild Wars community. It will open new markets and make available items to people who previously could never acquire them. It will finally make rare armors become the ultimate vanity item the way it should be.

ANet I am not pushing you either way on this. I am not holding you hostage on this update. I believe it will be a very welcome change at a time in the game when it is needed. I hope you implement these changes, but I am not demanding it. I will stand by you in whatever decision you end up making on this.

I realize that this post will probably piss off a few of the regular posters who are opposing this update, but I really don't care and I will not respond to anymore "points" you want to try and make. There really is not a down side in any way for this update. Nothing but positive outcomes will come of this even if some of you will leave. If you leave over this update then good riddance no one will miss you and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

erm... I have a question please and dont get me wrong.

But if I bought a req 8 crystalline (gold) with no inherent mod, and lets say would cost me about 100k and some ectos...

When nightfall comes out could I mod it with a 15^50?





Ok now that you thought about that ...

See gold rare weapons economy dropping really low ? hehe If that happens then your perfect zodiac and brute will be worth nothing!!!


Guildwars Nightfall ftw or not ?




EDIT: oops forgot to put my opinion in post. I DONT AGREE WITH THIS, I did not spend countless hours farming for everyone to be able to get the same reward that I and other people who worked had got, These weapons and skins are what lots of peoples idea of fun play, the challenge of aquiring these.So after the update, everyone who didnt do anything to deserve them will have a chance of having them? ehem.... Right,

Player1: I played guildwars for 8 months, thats how I got this weapon

Player2: Oh really, I bought game yestarday and i already got this...

2 words.... who cares?

mm I think a lot of people care. Like I said, Lots of people spend Countless of hours farming for a good weapon, and now it seems like it was all a waste of time, All we are going to get is New cocky players who will assume they are leet cuz they have the same weapon as a person that been playing for a year?

I agree. RPG games are about a sense of accomplishment. You take that away, people will walk away with it.

I AGREE

i play this *GAME* if, as, and when i want to and if the cat wakes up and wants some patting he gets it.

my character onscreen lives oe dies as i turn of the sound and find out later what happened to her and her henchies.

the cat is real the game is not.

that is the relative importance of a *game* to me

i play for the fun og it not to impress people, and most certainly to show off a few pixels i farmed 10 hours a day to show i am better than you.

speaking of cats that goes for forums as well back ina bit

I mean dont get me wrong... I dont want to sound like one of those people that think weapon and gold means skill because there is a little shop called Ebay.... But its just in consideration of old players that worked so so hard (like i said, countless hours) and their effort will seem almost useless when this update comes out.


But although I do agree there is one good thing about this, Game economy will be more balanced and everyone will get a good gaming experience, no longer will have to hassle with farming ectos 24/7 to get a good skin weapon.


Like I said, There are bad and good sides for this, So just asking for opinions.... dont post posts "Who cares" please.

If you go back and read my posts they are logical and well thought out. I am no longer concerned with debating this issue. The more I tried to debate it the more I realized all I was doing is debating with people worried that their stock pile of rares was going to be worth less than they ebayed them for or possibly they farmed ectos 24/7 for them either way who cares. Things change and I am willing to change with it cause I love this game. This change will not make me change my mind. It is not like my own collection won't be losing its trade value cause it is, but the difference is that I won't be trading mine ever. If I decide I like a new weapon more I will move my uber items to my mule and get the new item. No big deal in the end.

lol.... You are entitled to your opinion like anyone, I was just asking what everyone thought of it. I pointed out good sides and bad sides. I guess this update will end all the hard farming work and the ebayers, so Im starting to agree with you,now that I have read your posts better. But i am sure there are still a lot of people that get my points.

If you want to know how bad the ebay problem is. 15 minutes ago I contacted one of the more popular ebay gold stores asking them how long it would take them to fill an order for 20 million gold. They told me they would be able to fill that in the form of ectos in 2 hours. They told me they would charge me $859.99. Now for those who do not think ebay has had an ENORMOUS impact on the market you are just out of your minds. By the way I wanted to tell them to f**k themselves, but I didn't cause I was just trying to control myself.

Unless I spend most of my time farming for gold and items I won't be able to "choose" what sort of equipment I want. At the moment you'll notice that all the rich (or very lucky) people have the same range of rare items, therefore there isn't much variation in the higher class.

The same can be said for more unfortunate players who only have collector's items, again all those items are quite limited in appearance.

The point I'm trying to make is that the gap between high-end and low-end items should be decreased to encourage a greater variety of equipment.

It's either a Crystalline for the rich guy, or a Sai for the poorer guy.

This is exactly the opposite of what's going to happen. A market flooded with weapons sold exclusively for 100K+ectos limited the variety of weapons being purchased from players. It was the market that forced the lack of uniqueness. Not everyone wants a fellblade, a chaos axe, nor a stormbow. With this system, there will be a broader variety of characters, not a more limited one.

My ideal weapons for example, can't ever be found being sold on a regular basis, but of which I'll be going to get on my own if this goes live will be:

[factions] Morning Star Axe
[factions] Naga Bow
[factions] Outcast Shield

to name a few.

And guess what I'll need to make these items ideal? The inscriptions and mods you as heavy item traders/merchants will have an abundance of if this goes into affect. Everyone will look the same? Absolutely not.

if i can find it i want to make a perfect *butterknife*

just for the fun of making it

no more, no less

fun

I would argue Guild Wars was never supposed to be about Elitism (except in skill).

Hence the Level cap, and Max armor, and collector weapons.

Because of all that, people who normally grind their way to level 60 in other games and want all the "best" items, realized the only way they would be "leet" in Guild Wars is with rare skins and FoW armor.

Which is fine by me...

except when you talk about Mods.

At the moment, you cannot reasonably have access to all the different combinations of mods on an item. Anet theoretically could create Greens and Collectors with every single combo, but that would be a lot of work.

That's where the idea of Inscriptions comes in. It's less about screwing people with Cystallines over (who knows, this may not even effect certain skins!), and more about giving all players access to all the different mods (including inherent mods).

It would be a huge huge mistake for the inscriptions to work only on certain skins and not others.

Not really. After all, you can get Collector Armor, 1.5k armor, 15k armor, or FoW armor.

Except for Collectors armor, they all do the same thing, they just look different. You're paying for looks.

I have no problem with the concept of expensive, rare skins. I just want access to all the mods (especially inherent mods). Of course, you could argue that Crystallines are rare skins anyway, and I'd buy that argument. But in the end, if Anet decides some skins are "un-inscriptable", it wouldn't matter to me one iota.

WOW =\ next time can you ask how would they do that ? lol , Because I want to know



mmm... and how hard did the "rich guy" worked to get that crystalline ?

Only 2 ways.

1)Farming for hours
2) Winning in HoH, and if he did, then he deserves it.

that is the amount of time to process your payment, contact enough of your ingame mule players to arrange for the transfer of X number of ectos at the current price and arrange a meeting place in game for transfer.

this is not to go out in 2 hours to collect them but to arrange from storage

Crystallines would still be rare, and still command a lot of gold, especially perfect Gold Crystallines.

You have to remember, people pay more for color. I don't know why, but they do. I'm really not convinced "Inscriptions" will suddenly make all your Perfect Crystallines "worthless" by any means!

(and they will still be hard as hell to get).

Sadly, this thread is so long now that most won't be able to see the people contradicting themselves. Death ... do you really think there are that many people plunking down hundreds of real life dollars for in game gold? If there were that many Ebay rich it wouldn't take DAYS of spamming to sell high end items. The "Chinese farmer" is not out farming gold coin drops ... they farm easily sold items to make that gold that is sold. This drives the market price DOWN because they increase SUPPLY. In past posts you showed how little you knew about the Ebay market and how it impacts the game .. could we please keep it on topic. Topic was I believe ... worried about the weapon mod update and how it will impact the game. You stated in a previous post you were hording 15>50 weapons to salvage the mods and make some cash when nightfall hits shelves. Which is perfectly fine and smart ... except so is EVERYONE else which will tank the economy.

Perhaps it is time for the mods to close this thread.

I've been reading this for a few days and finally I think I need to post this thing. My opinion on it so far is that as things stand I don't think it should be implemented. I do like the idea of having 15^50 and all the inherint mods as salvageable, but swappable! BOOO! And maybe you can select the mod, sure I'm comfortable with that, but getting three mods from 1 weapon and merchanting the piece of crap that's left? And then being able to have 1 15^50 mod for an account, I could outfit 10 characters if I really wanted to (which I wouldn't, but still). And I still like my GPB better, and want to find a good bramble bow!

I think they have to destroy whatever you're salvaging so you can't swap it, that way demad would stay high, prices would decrease on a lot of items, but not crash. imo.

I've played GW since day 1 (or 2 I was a little slow getting to the store). I have a lot of nice weapons, farm casually, enjoy the game more for doing pve with guildies than grinding away each day. Granted elite missions give you nice drops, and that's where I get money from. But I enjoy the game for the gameplay, and not just item collection. But no, I've never spent more than 150k (I think) for a weapon, simply cause 14^50 is good enough. But that's my view, and for those of you who go for the 'perfect' weapons, go ahead, that's cool.

uhmm...3) EBAY!! hence the whole problem, and as loviatar pointed out, it IS EASY to get it, not cheap, but easy.

I think GW is moving in the right direction to try and limit the top end of the market, but this move in itself is too extreme. PLEASE ANet take a closer look at this change and don't go extreme.

my 2 cents.

And you don't see that as a problem?

Finally someone who can see the real point here.





mmm so instead of Anet just get ebay to stop allowing gold sales.. Its easier to crash the whole game economy and ruin it for millions of players ?

*Kicks Loviatar's cat*


On second thought, maybe it will be like gold and purple inscriptions. Would be better this way so you cant have any 15^50 req 8 perfect purples. This would keep the market intact to some extent, and yet cater to those less forunate, without completely hurting the rare market. Just a thought.

No, trust me, leprekan does not see the "real" point.

The real point is the majority of people are shut out of buying rare mods and items (and I'm not talking skins, I'm just talking about items with rare mods period).

The real point is this Inscription thing will finally fix one of the biggest problems with playing PvE: Being able to find an item with any of the mods that suits you. The potential cost: Some weapon prices will go down (again, I don't see how that will hurt the majority of the players).

We're talking about a change that I believe will have a net benefit, and will not cause the entire game of Guild Wars to disappear into the ether.

The rich will stay rich, the poor will stay poor, with the added benefit that the poor should be able to afford some of the "luxuries" the rich seem to take for granted.

Now, I could be totally wrong, and the price of 15>50 and other rare mods will skyrocket, and this will actually be worse then the current situation, but it seems most people agree that won't happen.

What do you mean for granted?

Do you know how hard some people grind UW just to get those "granted wishes by the tooth fairy" ?