Is anyone else worried about the new salvage options?

lol, there is always going to be new weapons there always will be new skins new greens and what not and people will want those certain skins over the others and those skins will be high thats the way it is and thats the way it is going to be like with the zodiac and the chaos axe no one wants a stupid looking weapon they want a weapon that looks cool with good looking mods on it that goes with there pimpin armor

Don't talk down to me. I am also VERY well off, but I don't brag about it. If there was a pissing contest on this forum I'd be in the top 10 I promise you. I have invested a ton of my time as well. Hell I was injured on the job around the time GW released and played constantly everyday for hours on hours. I have put in my time. I am now back at work and I still log a shit load of hours ingame. I work everyday on a steady job as a Manager/VP of a bank in Atlanta Georgia. Just cause I have a French sounding name doesn't make me French.

Explain to me then, the fundamentals of what makes a skin "desirable". Do people really pay more because they look better? or might it be that they pay more because they are rare and thus represent a validation of one's efforts ingame.

A good example here would be a sephis axe. If one simply thought a sephis axe looked great, one could buy a razorstone... for 10-15k. Why then, do sephis axes, with dubiously similar stats, run 100k+ many (sometimes over 100) ectos? Because they're rare.

Lets look at the brute sword. Does it really look that cool? Upon closer inspection of mine it looks somewhat like the fellblade's ugly, stunted little brother. Why then is it worth so much?

The answer, gentlemen, is rarity. Rarity breeds worth. Worth breeds prestige. And finally, prestige breeds demand. People WANT these skins because they WANT to be as well regarded as the people who have them. But when there is no longer rarity involved are these skins really that "worthwhile anymore?" I ask you to ponder on that.... and its implications to the economy and game as a whole.

I will be able to buy the O so coveted Crystalline sword and dwarven axe skin with the worst inherents and overhaul it!! hehehe glad I didnt spend 100k+1 billion ectos lmao sorry to all those that did

.... this mentality is my point exactly... and this is why inscriptions are such a horrid idea.

It's a great idea...you need to look at it from the point of view I think Anet is. They are going to get rid of so called "L33tism" so new players kep playing the game in return securing the future of this game for everyone.

Answer this question...

Do you think this or any game can survive on veteran players alone? The answer is no...the game might live on with a small fanbase still playing but the company will eventually have to say goodbye and not support the game anymore because there isnt any money in it for them. Then say goodbye to the servers and your precious account with all the "L33t" items on it.

A game with no influx of new players is a dead game. Anet is looking at this hard im sure and has studied other games that are dying.
You need to think outside the box about this or eventually all the time and money invested in a game will and can be lost, your investment down the drain just like in real life.

...and by thinknig you are entirely right on this issue and concerning the game, aren't you yourself being elitist?

You are entirely as wrong as the rest of us in here.

Entirely true, but soem of us can still be anaxiosu to see how this turns out.

I have yet to meet anybody who thinks their own opinion is entirely wrong.

(and i'm totally right about that)

Hey, im as anxious to see how it turns out as the next person. Look what happened with Runes and Sigils, in the long run it was better for the game and its players.

As for surviving on veteran players, I really don't think there is much in GW blocking a newcomer from experiencing any aspect of the game... in fact there's more of a "rank" block in the pvp environment than there is a "price" block in pve. As for how things turn out, all I can say is that when nightfall comes around I'll have gotten rid of anything I have with 15^50 worth a whit of gold.

I heard they didnt put alot of detial on the salvaging items in pc gamer anyways we still have to wait and see how it turns out you all might be complaining and worrying over nothing

You can all haze me momentarily, for not reading the 20 something pages between here and the start.

But I do not see a problem with the new system and how it appears that it is going to work.

Yeah so what, now we (poor people) can make a weapon the we want instead of finding one close to what we want.

Anet will not be stupid with this either, they will balance it well with the percentage of drops of the inherents like they do with everything else.

I am not worried, because there is no way I would have ever paid the insane amounts that weapons go for now days.

Of I go to fight with my Sundering(20/20) Pitchfork of Fortitude(+30) 15^50 dmg6-28 req. 4 complaining

Peace out. Hit me*

If there are two sides to the argument...
Can both be wrong?

So, then, your point is... that you disagree? "Aha! I disagree! And you can't prove me wrong!"
No shit - that's an opinion.

And like DeathByAmor said: Er, wait, it was Mordakai. Was it? No offence intented if I credit the wrong person. People pay more for colour. And by colour I mean white/blue/purple/gold/green. I mentioned it before too.

If I give you two diamonds, can you tell which is natural and which is synthetic? Go to the store and see which costs more. Perception of value counts at least as much as actual value. Which is relative anyways. Hmmm...

Some people started to post ridiculous theories here...
How is handing everyone perfect golds with any mods and skins they choose on a silver platter is good for the future of the game?? Utter nonsense. How can it help new players and make them buy the game? It can't, it's not what makes people buy GW.

The effect will be more close to having players finish the storyline and have no incentive to play any further pve. No reason to go to any elite instance more than once. No reason to even buy a key and open a chest, when the most lucky, very bestest thing you can get can be made by any newb from cheap like dirt components. The effect is KILLING the reaplayability of the game. Is that really what you all want???
The effect on economy will level the most poor players (casuals, those who don't care) with the enormous middle class. The rich will still have their stacks of ectos and crystallines (all perfect +15% this time). Is that really what you all want???
That's of course if the update isn't done right...
Because some changes ARE in fact needed, like salvaging the +30 or 20/20 upgrades you want *at a certain cost* and a way to reroll mods on shields or caster items.

So much speculation and we still don't know how the new system is going to be implemented. No official word on it yet. I can only hope it won't be a simple taking out mods from anything salvagable just to put it on anything of the same type. We will all see 27.10.06 but if its done wrong, it will be too late...

Yes, because nothing so far has happened and because nothing has been confirmed.

And on the other hand, some people are being apallingly myopic.

Finish it with a totally different character? Two totally different characters? NINE totally different characters? Trying to do it without dying? Exploring, capturing skills, having fun with friends? Replay value aplenty. That is, if you're not too hung up about how much other people's weapons cost them. If you actually like playing the game instead of obsessing over a tiny insignificant aspect of it. (Really, doesn't it sound really pathetic, reading that? "if you're not too hung up about how much other people's weapons cost them.")

The people who aren't obsessing about how much other people's weapons cost them couldn't care less. They happily chat away over guild chat about what mission they're going to tackle with which character today and wouldn't you like to come along.

And that's a good point. We'll just have to wait and see, except I'd have to say that I'm not worried at all.

If the two sides are saying "it's mostly good" and "it's mostly bad", they can't both be wrong in absolute terms.

But since we're talking pure opinion anyway, they can't be wrong because they can't be right either.

you can call me an average Guild Wars player, I am wealthy enough to buy what i want when i want it, I dont have FoW and tons of ecto but I keep all my players suited in 15k armor and I do farm and sell golds for cash.

I myself do believe it is dumb to be able to salvage damage mods, there are collector weapons for that very reason. Vanity skins should remain rare and hard to get, if you dont like it then get the money to buy it.

Has it escaped everyone else or could the inscriptions really be something else that has not been introduced to weapons yet which will be on Nightfall and this is what is salvagable, not 15^50 etc. Also the ability to salvage what inscription you want for example you have an axe with both 20/20 AP and a +30 fortitude you can then choose which of them you wish to salvage. I think people are just rumor mongering this inscription thing so that others sell their weapons before Nightfall

What we like has nothing to do with anything. The only thing that matters is what ANet wants.

Obviously, a game economy that has single items that sell for an order of magnitude more than the maximum cash a character can carry, is totally out of control. If the designers had wanted people to pay more than a million gold for an item, they'd have let us carry more than 100k. If what they're doing ruins the nominal volume of the economy, that's probably just what they want to accomplish.

Just look at the cost of FOW armor, they're worth more gold than your storage can hold. It is reasonable for some items to cost 100+xx ectos because there are fow armor! how many weapons like that you have to sell to get one set?

Take the only items out that sell for 100k and your left with a ruined economy.
More then a handful of player have over 100k, and its easy enough to get to that lvl in game play. It's not over night but it does happen.

The millions of gold is still going to be there, it'll just mean nothing. Those players will have no items to waste there money on.
I don't see that as an economy.

Can Some1 here show me the source of this info? Pc Gamer mentions it, i have the article right in front of me, but anet has yet to confirm. I think this is just rumor spreading, and for that reason I'm holding on to my golds. And if it is true, meh... I have enough gold right now to buy the new and "improved" cheap inscriptioned items.

I have a feeling if this happens, the game will degenerate into the D2 LoD situation of mega overbuffs.

I feel you.

i'd like to shake your hand.
i know plenty of people who share your opinion, who are angry that anet is throwing their future options out the window, and understand it.
i, myself, would be FAR more upset with this update had it taken place a year ago, when i was arguably "upper-middle-class" than now...as it would kill 1 aspect of my metagame permenantly. now, its approaching that time in my life when gaming as a whole is coming to an end, and so personally this doesnt effect me much, regardless, its annoying because...

...as the above said...
which, is as i've said before, this is the EXACT same mistake that was made with diablo2 LoD 1.1 patch...blizzard figured it would be a good idea to cater to people clambering over their cries for handouts, and made the best items in the game easily accessible. the people who hated the hours of farming finally got what they wanted.
what happened?
blizzard effectivly nuked the upper and middle classess off of the face of the diablo2 world, and left it with nothing but the very whiners who had asked for their handouts...after a few months they got bored, and the game devulged from the best MMORPG i have EVER played, into a universally agreeable crapfest.
the same people who waste hours farming, are the same people who spend hours coming up with unique builds, different styles of play, etc, etc...when they left the game, nothing was left but morons playing cookiecutter builds handed to them, and the whole thing came down to essentially a rock, paper, scissors of FOTM builds.

i do not wish this fate upon guildwars, or its players.
if anything, i wish anet would make some even rarer skins than crystallines, rare enough towards even i would have a hard time affording one. why? working towards an end, is fun. whats the goal of a game? to beat it. and in so doing, lies the fun within...the act of ending the game experience is not fun (at least for me), its getting there thats entertaining.
all this update will end up doing is to shorten the journey by a little, and as a byproduct, shorten its lifespan. and i tell you this much, if it had not been for the fact that my collection still needed work after ch2, i would have quit then, because ch2s gameplay was so totally half-assed, that it forced MANY people to fall back on meta-game activities (collecting, pvp, farming, titles, etc). its about time anet stop knocking these things off 1 by 1.
rank is just as much a vanity as any gold-skinned weapon, and how many of you pro-inscriptionists would be up-in-arms if the compromised that little aspect of the game...to get rid of the "pvp grind"
think of it as pre-ww2 europe, the anet nerf-bat as the budding german war-machine, and the players as the apathetic allies, saying to themselves "we'll let them have this round...since for now it benifits us anyway"
and think of inscriptions as poland...make your stand now before the whiners convince anet to give them EVERYTHING they want...from pvp UAS, to inscriptions, to rank, to pve elites, etc.

Yes, because having a Crystalline allows you to slaughter that many more mobs than having a collector's sword.


There is no "best items in the game" in Guild Wars. Only items that drop rarely and are seen as being 'elite'. In Diablo, if you liked how a Gladius looked, you could easily find a decent one. If you liked how a Flamberge looked, you could easily find a decent one. The items that were expensive were the uber-powerful weapons. That's how it should be in games dependant on items, such as Diablo. That's where they messed up.

In GW, items mean nothing. Skills are the only things that's important. There is no comparison here because the games' very premise is completely different. If you want an item "crapfest", there are many MMORPG's (truer ones than GW, anyday) that cater to the elitist "my weapon is more uber than yours" attitude.

I think that anet trying to make each chapter only good for less than 6 months. ppl got excited fast and got bored easy, so they buy the game play for 2 to 3 months, drop it, play something else for 3 moths and buy the next chapters. as long as anet got a good review and high score from sites like gamespots, i am sure that there will be plenty of ppl buying them... hardcores playing way too much for anet to make profit off them. anet is trying to get ripped of players like that imao. There will be no hardcores in GW, no Elitists and no traders. ppl log on to do little pve with heroes and pvp. nobody spend serious time on GW. Anet is turning GW into something like Sims Online. ppl log on sometimes to chat and log off. Anet could just want to make this game to what it should be, a casualist's game or for ppl like me have jobs in real life and couldn't play alot anymore and still wnat to play sometimes with friends.

exactly.
so why do people bitch about them?
my point is, that while the items mean nothing in terms of mods, theres still a market for them for the reasons stated thruought this thread. and as i stated, lazyness is a mentality. the kind of people who want free handouts all the time, arent the kind of people you necissarily wanna be gaming with.

the problem is that the hardworking ppl playing too much and consuming too much server resouces. Anet aint making money off them. the Lady ppl pay the same buck and play less or not play at all. i think anet is trying to get the lady ppl and get ripped of the hardworking ones

^then again, some of the rich hard working people have all expansions, several accounts, and character slots

but there is still a small number of them the majority is casulaist that play less than 1 hour per week. and the hardcores buying all chapters for all their accounts? i dont think so. they probably just got the extra accounts for storage.

This seems to me like one of the small things people make such a big deal of.

I was telling a poker story, I didn't say I was sober when it happened. But if ppl actually keep their collectors items when we a Tidal Wave like this coming straight for them, then they care more about pride than gold. I look at all the in-game items as tools. Don't worship your weapons, worship the 1000 plat in your storage.

well its all a bad thing as i have stated. hell wait till whats next. yeah i bet there gonna give everyone rank 3 just cause the whiners cant get in groups for PvP. come on ppl. this wont lower the prices for a long time, in fact it will raise the prices of weapons and such. i like the idea of inscriptions but it is gonna be implemented way wrongly, if it goes like what was said in PC Gamer.
lets no joke around here, u doubt what i am saying fine, but yet from all those on this thread who have said its a great idea, y the hell havent u gotten me in game to sell junky 15^50 yet or those req 8 rares junks. ill tell u why. cause you know im right. u can get a req 8 falchion 15^50 right here and now for 15k what do u think it willl be when this inscriptions salvage comes out. itll be 50k minimum because of the mod salvageable on it. and yes the smart ones right now are buying up lots and i mean lots of these right now. as ive said i stand right now to make 10 million gold of what ive gotten alrdy for just 600k. this will not hurt the rich. so u casual gamers dont like grind, well you will love it soon, when u cant even get a crappy skin with 15^50 for cheap anymore. hell ive gotten quite a few 15^50's req 8 for 5k lately and being rare skins, to top it off. so enjoy when your haveing to pay 50k+ for even crappy skins. ive posted enough examples and no need to do any more at this time. oh for the lazy few who want to actually know how to get things like that its easy/. liek this

WTB REQ 8 weapon 15^50 for 5k thats what i call really having to grind,

PS time again GAILE ALEX where are u.

its about how we each wanna play our own way. just cause someone wants to farm hes still playing it his own way. u dont believe me read your box GW came in it stats it there clearly.
here it is for those to lazy to even look at there box.

GW prophicies box inside cover. under the craft your hero part

ITS YOUR ADVENTURE
jump right into a world of thousands where each mission is created just for you. live a fast paced adventure without travel time delay, high death penalties, or spawn camping. join with friends or play solo with a band of SKILLFULL henchmen

sounds to me i can play how i want. dont know about you.

then theres this that kills me with some posts here.
its not farm wars its guild wars or there is no economy its only made up by ppl. no class i dirext you all to open your guild wars manuals to the following pages GWP pages 107-109 GWF pages 84-88 yeap looks like theres an economy to me

then another one i see alot of here.
well anet has a set 100k per char so things shouldnt be more than that.

well lets see the maximum u can pay at one of the merchants is 100k maybe a coincidence there


and for the last time about SUP ABS. yes they were 100k anet then increased drop rates they then went down to yeap thats right class 80k average. big drop there. in fact the went to what they are now because anet made them useless. again dont believe me just do a search here you will find numerous and i mean numerous threads about them being turned to uselessness. that is the real reason why the price tanked.

If we want our characters to look good (to us) while using the skills this game is based around, why should we have to pay out the ass for it? It's not a 'laziness' mentality, nor is it a request of 'free handouts' (which I don't understand how items going from 3-4 million down to a few hundred thousand is a 'free handout'), it's a 'casual gamer' mentality.

Here's what I want to be able to do:

I'm out doing a mission with some friends. During that mission, I find an item I've never seen before - a Platinum Blade. I go "Wow, that is a really cool looking skin, and it could go really well with my warrior!" This particular Platinum Blade is purple, and ends up having +18% damage while health is below 50%, and a fortitude +27 mod, with Req.10.

I think to myself, "Hmm, all I need to do is get me a nice inscription, let's say 15^50, or 15 while enchanted, and a couple of nice mods." Now, this is where my 'hunt to find the perfect weapon' begins. I have the sword I like, it's pretty, it's nice, it will look good on my warrior. All I need to do is either casually find the mods I need, or buy them.

Finding that particular sword is no incredible feat. It happens frequently. Enough to where I could probably buy it off someone real cheap. Buying mods is a bit expensive, but as has been said, you don't need max anything. I can get a 14^50 inscription for probably pretty cheap, and it would work fine.

Do I want this handed to me? No. Do I want skins like this, that I like, to become a little more readily available and cheaper? Absolutely. I don't have enough time in-game to be able to afford something like that Platinum Blade (with mods and the 15^50 or 14^50), and still be able to afford armor, other weapons and shields and off-hands, etc.

This one Platinum Blade is just one weapon of the many I want for all my characters. I don't want just one nice looking weapon, I'd like to be able to pick and choose. I'm not asking for handouts or free anything, just asking for items that are a little more within a decent price bracket.

However, if it doesn't happen, I won't complain. I really don't care if items actually become cheaper or not. It doesn't affect my gameplay, you're right about that. It's just something I want, and I know others want as well. It would be nice. On the flip-side, I don't see why anyone else would complain, either. It shouldn't affect you or anyone else. After all, it's just virtual money just like it's just pretty skins. <-EDIT: just bolding to emphasize what I feel is the highlight of this post.

FOW armor costs 60/75K and materials. You don't have to sell a single 100k+ weapon for that, just play the game. Whether or not there are weapons in the game that players decided are worth more than 100k, doesn't change the total amount of gold in the economy. The nominal value of items doesn't affect the total number of FOW armors that the player base can afford, because there's still going to be the same amount of materials and the same amount of gold. If this change causes the wealth to be spread around differently, some people will just have get their FOW duds in a different way.

What's that I just said, 'working' to buy a FOW armor? How awful!

Trying to buy a perfect rare skin, a 20/20 sundering upgrade and a +30 fortitude upgrade as cheap as you can, sticking it all together and hawking it for 100k+xx ectos for hours on end won't make you rich anymore? Oh no, the game is broken now!

That's what money sinks are for. If the people holding on to tons of cash really don't see any game feature they would enjoy spending their cash on, they should ask themselves if they're playing the right game. Nightfall is likely going to feature more money sinks anyway.

And the materials alone cost over a million.

I can say the same thing, "ohh, you can't get a skin that does nothing over a collector's item, the game's broken now! QQ"

You have to work for a SKIN that most green have and doesn't affect gameplay effectiveness one bit, how awful!

Whatever so called money sink they put in better be flashy to the level of PvP emote and not something like the title system where no one ever sees it unless they are looking for it.

But you don't have to buy them, they drop reliably to anyone playing in the right areas. They don't require the existence of items with vastly inflated prices.

You could, but it would be meaningless, because obviously you can right now and will still be able to after the assumed changes.

Yeah, that is quite awful, but something tells me you're being sarcastic. People will still have to work for their items, you know... the difference will be that there will be less gold flowing to the people 'hardcore farming' or 'speculating'. I guess that idea must be unbearable to some.

It always comes down to this it seems... Trying to impress other people. What happened to playing games because we enjoy playing games?