Is anyone else worried about the new salvage options?

Dobermann

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

WTF is this new slavage thing?

Tommy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Something I thought about as well... How many of the -uber- wealthy players out there still play the game? I've heard so many stories of the richest of the rich simply becomming bored of GW and leaving. To me, that is the inevitable end to the Elitist. They set unbelievably high goals for themselves, then work toward them. Once reached, what else is there?

Flaunting riches just gets old after a while, I'm sure. There's only so long you can hang out in the grotto showing off all your crystallines, FoW and magma shields. After a while you gotta realize, that's it. In your eyes, you've 'beaten' Guild Wars and it's time to move onto a different game.

This is why I think the casual gamer will be the best customer base for purchasing new chapters, not the 'hardcore' gamer. I'm not going to get tired of this game if I constantly have goals to reach simply by my playstyle.
what if the elitist's goal is too high. lets say 500 billion networth or his personally wealth>all the 2 million players all add up togethor?. it will take years to archieve it. some elitist gold is kinda hard to archieve.. i am sure that they will buy more chapters to do so. anyway that is not the point. some elitist just wont quit you know they like GW. BTW, most grotto ppl dont care about items since all we do is dancing and drinking in grotto.. we archieved one goal then we will set another. there will be always goals that we like to archieve not to mention that we like the ppl we meet everyday in grotto we just log on to chat with them and drink ailes

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

I'm not worried.

Especially since I can take advantage of this for all of the gold weapons that currently reside within my storage.

Woo.More gold for skill pruchases.

DeathByAmor

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There is now a poll where you can vote on this update. This is an easy way for ANet to see how you feel about this.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10055103

sumrtym

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
you can get a req8 15^50 crytalline at some point for sure.. just offer someone 20 millions,<which translate into 18 to 22 months of farming> i am sure that you can get one.
with 20 millions you can get anything you want at any skin..
I'll take that challenge. FIND ME A 20/20 cast recharge death staff req 8-9 in ZODIAC SKIN. Or same stats domination, curses, blood, healing with divine req, etc. Or a 20/20 wand, same deal, matched, req 8-9.

natuxatu

natuxatu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wisconsin

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Honestly though... the fact of the matter is weapons don't have nearly as great of an effect on the game play as some people might wish. More for fun/looks/having the best. Low req meh.. chances are you are using more than 7 or 8 anyway so no biggy ect.. The only class that might not be true for is warriors which i haven't played but anything else it's more of the skills i'm using.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Two April Mornings
Exactly, and for that population of the game that does have those funds, or that likes the challenge of attaining those funds or rare weapons, the introduction of salvageble inherent mods will quasi-ruin the game for many. Guild Wars is not the same for everybody, which is what many in this thread don't seem to understand.
There is a basic difference between those favourable and those unfavourable to a change in salvaging/crafting.

WE (the favourable) are not interested in what THEY (the unfavourable) have and will have. WE are not interested in putting a limitation on whatever item (weapons, FoW armors, titles) THEY can buy or obtain.

THEY instead want to put a limitation to our freedom, to OUR possibility to enjoy the game, THEY want to force US to play the game the way THEY want, that is hoarding for money to buy for insane prices the item with the skin WE like with the stats WE want.

WE don't want to force THEM to play the game in a different way, THEY want to control the market of items and for this part of the game THEY want to force US to play THEIR game.

That's unfair, that's not capitalism (a word that many invoke at defence of their interest) it's lobby, abuse of incumbent position, barrier for the newcomers, all the worst of capitalism, things that in real life are also legally prosecutable.

Just one example: I'm not interested in crystalline crap (a piece of glass with a wooden handle, how is possible to consider it a sword?) but I like the "divine staff" skin.
If you check in gwguru auction, you'll see that there are more or less 10 crystallines on sale, and only 2 divine staffs and also with unusable stats.

So if a req. 9 crystalline costs 10 millions, a req. 9 20/20 divine staff should cost 50 millions because it's 5 times more rare. What are today the possibilities for a player to get a 20/20 or 20/10 divine skin staff? Absolutely zero.

If in the future I will have the possibility to mod a white divine staff and make it usable, I see this as an increase in my freedom, without any negative effect on those who already have perfect crystallines and whatever.

Clawdius_Talonious

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
That's unfair, that's not capitalism (a word that many invoke at defence of their interest) it's lobby, abuse of incumbent position, barrier for the newcomers, all the worst of capitalism, things that in real life are also legally prosecutable.
Unless you're the oil companies, with baby Bush in office, he allowed them to jack up prices on currently stocked gas because "it would cost them more to produce in the future"... Of course we'd have been arrested for profiteering if we went to the places afflicted by the tragic hurricanes and began pedalling ice for five dollars a bag. [/rant]

Tommy

Jungle Guide

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Quote:
Originally Posted by sumrtym
I'll take that challenge. FIND ME A 20/20 cast recharge death staff req 8-9 in ZODIAC SKIN. Or same stats domination, curses, blood, healing with divine req, etc. Or a 20/20 wand, same deal, matched, req 8-9.
just put a WTB thread and offer 20 million for them. sure someone will find it for you.

supaet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gli
FOW armor costs 60/75K and materials. You don't have to sell a single 100k+ weapon for that, just play the game. Whether or not there are weapons in the game that players decided are worth more than 100k, doesn't change the total amount of gold in the economy. The nominal value of items doesn't affect the total number of FOW armors that the player base can afford, because there's still going to be the same amount of materials and the same amount of gold. If this change causes the wealth to be spread around differently, some people will just have get their FOW duds in a different way.

What's that I just said, 'working' to buy a FOW armor? How awful!
LOL, you can PLAY the game to get a FOW which costs 75k + 100 ectos and you cannot PLAY the game to get a 15^50 rare skin that costs 100+20 ectos? a certain area that drops ectos? sure. PLAY the certain area and get your ectos buddy. If that is so easy, people can just sell the ectos and get the gold they need for weapons. weapons are gold sink too

Clawdius_Talonious

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
just put a WTB thread and offer 20 million for them. sure someone will find it for you.
I believe his point is that, due to the nature of the way wands and offhands spawn, it is rare for an item to spawn with it's own req attrib and a reduced time for said req attrib.

What if all the fuss is simply over the fact that we'll now be able to salvage "inheirent mods" from shields, wands, and offhands only? Then we'll see a lot of sheepish people admitting that they should have waited before being so vehement about their stance against it.

Of course I for one would like to see weapon inscriptions as well, but we'll have to wait and see.

leprekan

leprekan

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Join Date: Oct 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
There is a basic difference between those favourable and those unfavourable to a change in salvaging/crafting.

WE (the favourable) are not interested in what THEY (the unfavourable) have and will have. WE are not interested in putting a limitation on whatever item (weapons, FoW armors, titles) THEY can buy or obtain.

THEY instead want to put a limitation to our freedom, to OUR possibility to enjoy the game, THEY want to force US to play the game the way THEY want, that is hoarding for money to buy for insane prices the item with the skin WE like with the stats WE want.

WE don't want to force THEM to play the game in a different way, THEY want to control the market of items and for this part of the game THEY want to force US to play THEIR game.

That's unfair, that's not capitalism (a word that many invoke at defence of their interest) it's lobby, abuse of incumbent position, barrier for the newcomers, all the worst of capitalism, things that in real life are also legally prosecutable.

Just one example: I'm not interested in crystalline crap (a piece of glass with a wooden handle, how is possible to consider it a sword?) but I like the "divine staff" skin.
If you check in gwguru auction, you'll see that there are more or less 10 crystallines on sale, and only 2 divine staffs and also with unusable stats.

So if a req. 9 crystalline costs 10 millions, a req. 9 20/20 divine staff should cost 50 millions because it's 5 times more rare. What are today the possibilities for a player to get a 20/20 or 20/10 divine skin staff? Absolutely zero.

If in the future I will have the possibility to mod a white divine staff and make it usable, I see this as an increase in my freedom, without any negative effect on those who already have perfect crystallines and whatever.
If the group you represent gets all the weapons they want cheap/easy they will not be happy. If only the rich can afford the titles and the FoW armor there will be threads just like this crying about it... even if you have the perfect weapons you are demanding now. Just how far should Anet lower the bar for the casual player?

I believe I have 2 req8 divine 20/10 staffs on a mule ... you are of course welcome to make an offer

P.S. They came from a CHEST as in I went and actually OPENED it to get the items. You could try that for yourself and save a few bucks.

Tommy

Jungle Guide

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clawdius_Talonious
I believe his point is that, due to the nature of the way wands and offhands spawn, it is rare for an item to spawn with it's own req attrib and a reduced time for said req attrib.

What if all the fuss is simply over the fact that we'll now be able to salvage "inheirent mods" from shields, wands, and offhands only? Then we'll see a lot of sheepish people admitting that they should have waited before being so vehement about their stance against it.

Of course I for one would like to see weapon inscriptions as well, but we'll have to wait and see.
we should encourage the chinese farmers to farm in the deep i picked up my perfect caster items for dirt cheap in droknar. I got my monk a req8 divine 5^50 20% healing wand for only 30k. a req 8 5^50 10% universal recharge rod for 20k and a req8 5^50 10% universal for my mesner for 15k only! a holy rod with 20% recharge pro and 10% universal casting for 10k. it is not that rare. btw. i also got a bone staff req9 20/20 for 75k only! if you look around these items are not that rare after all. I have myeelf found a large number of perfect and semi perfect caster itemes from chest running and farming. It is not that rare... the inheirent mods will worth probably more.. the current price is VERY Reasonable... we seriousl ydont need adjustment. the vigor should be cheapper imao. 30k is too much. we got around 70 heroes per account we need to put vigors on. 10k for superior vigors sound more reasonable. BTW I will sell your a zodic wand with req 10 death and 20/20 death magic for 10 million. one of my farming buddy got it and here is a tip for you. the chests in shiverpeak drop alot of caster items. i got so many perfect casater items i couldn't even remember. i gave away most of them to guidies or sell them in droknar for a dirt cheap price. Casters items are sold for peanuts compare to warriors' items. Nobody sinks serious money on caster's item.

Clawdius_Talonious

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
i also got a bone staff req9 20/20 for 75k only! if you look around these items are not that rare after all....... I will sell your a zodic wand with req 10 death and 20/20 death magic for 10 million. one of my farming buddy have it.
Was it a blue staff? That's a lot to pay for a collectors item

And that 10 death req, while not unreasonable, isn't what he was after. So what I am saying here is that his point is that 20% recharge or cast time of the wand/offhands req are both rare, 20/20 even rarer, and req 8 extremely rare. The combination is something that happens once in a blue moon, whereas you can't hardly obtain such an item right now, in the future if you have a 20/20 inscription drop on a wand, you MAY be able to transfer it to a skin that you like better than the one it dropped with, or one with a lower req, but at this point we're just grasping at straws that aren't there yet.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

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Quote:
Originally Posted by leprekan
If the group you represent gets all the weapons they want cheap/easy they will not be happy. If only the rich can afford the titles and the FoW armor there will be threads just like this crying about it... even if you have the perfect weapons you are demanding now. Just how far should Anet lower the bar for the casual player?

I believe I have 2 req8 divine 20/10 staffs on a mule ... you are of course welcome to make an offer

P.S. They came from a CHEST as in I went and actually OPENED it to get the items. You could try that for yourself and save a few bucks.
If you have them in your mule, this means that you don't actually use them on your monk, you just keep to (maybe) watch them sometimes.
If you don't use, what are you waiting for to get rid of them?
Since they're useless for you, I offer 10k to free one slot in your mule

Tommy

Jungle Guide

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clawdius_Talonious
Was it a blue staff? That's a lot to pay for a collectors item

And that 10 death req, while not unreasonable, isn't what he was after. So what I am saying here is that his point is that 20% recharge or cast time of the wand/offhands req are both rare, 20/20 even rarer, and req 8 extremely rare. The combination is something that happens once in a blue moon, whereas you can't hardly obtain such an item right now, in the future if you have a 20/20 inscription drop on a wand, you MAY be able to transfer it to a skin that you like better than the one it dropped with, or one with a lower req, but at this point we're just grasping at straws that aren't there yet.
It is gold! I sold it the next day in LA for 240k ^_^! what i am saying is that if you take your time and look around. perfect items are really everywhere, alot of ppl dont sell items. they keep their godly items. I have seen atleast 5+ req8 30/-2 eternal shield. 4 crytalline req9 15^50 in game.
things that seem to be rare aren't that rare. and you certainly see them more than once a while in a blue moon.

unienaule

unienaule

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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Since when are rich people elitist? As far as I know, elitists are people who won't talk to you because they think they're better than you are, and generally act like jerks to anyone they don't know... and that's certainly not what any of the rich people in here have been doing. I have yet to see "OMG I HAVE MILionS OF ECtoS STFU." So, keep your terms right and don't classify people as things they're not.

leprekan

leprekan

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
If you have them in your mule, this means that you don't actually use them on your monk, you just keep to (maybe) watch them sometimes.
If you don't use, what are you waiting for to get rid of them?
Since they're useless for you, I offer 10k to free one slot in your mule
LOL,

No, I don't log on to my different mules to "watch" my items =p Because I don't spend a lot of time selling anymore things tend to pile up. Perhaps if we had met under different circumstances the 10k bid would have been taken. Bit of advice ... you want staffs? Make a warrior and run the chests for the max title you will have 70% of your worthwhile chest drops turn out to be staffs. Chest running can be done while returning business calls (uh huh Mr.Smith of course .... SWEET!!!! oops sorry Mr.Smith your server is down?) the chests however will require effort and gold.

Tommy

Jungle Guide

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Quote:
Originally Posted by unienaule
Since when are rich people elitist? As far as I know, elitists are people who won't talk to you because they think they're better than you are, and generally act like jerks to anyone they don't know... and that's certainly not what any of the rich people in here have been doing. I have yet to see "OMG I HAVE MILionS OF ECtoS STFU." So, keep your terms right and don't classify people as things they're not.
Elitism is the belief or attitude that the people who are considered to be the elite — a selected group of persons with outstanding personal abilities, wealth, specialised training or experience, or other distinctive attributes — are the people whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously, or that these are persons whose views should be regarded as carrying the most weight, or, more simply, these people are best fit to govern. Alternatively, the term elitism could be used to describe a situation in which power is in fact concentrated in the hands of an elite, whether rightly or not.
Elitism has highly negative connotations and is often used pejoratively to describe a general mindset of arrogance or disregard for the general non-elite public (Meritocracy, a special kind of elitism, does not carry this connotation).

For the converse of "elitism" see "anti-elitism", "populism", and the political theory of Pluralism.
def. from wiki elistists dont have to be jerk... but certain traders in our forum got a bad hobby of not reply ppl or just reply 2 sentences then completely ignore any pms.. i found that kinda rude imao.BTW, elistists do bossing ppl around sometimes my guildies do that to pug all the time. not cuz we are rude it is cuz we know how to get things done better and faster. It is matter of fact that we know better than you are, so you have to obey us, if you are not listening we kick you and recruit someone who will. That is not jerking i hope:L well, we do talk to them, ask them question and exam them before the kicking.

leprekan

leprekan

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
Elitism is the belief or attitude that the people who are considered to be the elite — a selected group of persons with outstanding personal abilities, wealth, specialised training or experience, or other distinctive attributes — are the people whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously, or that these are persons whose views should be regarded as carrying the most weight, or, more simply, these people are best fit to govern. Alternatively, the term elitism could be used to describe a situation in which power is in fact concentrated in the hands of an elite, whether rightly or not.

Elitism has highly negative connotations and is often used pejoratively to describe a general mindset of arrogance or disregard for the general non-elite public (Meritocracy, a special kind of elitism, does not carry this connotation).

For the converse of "elitism" see "anti-elitism", "populism", and the political theory of Pluralism.

def. from wiki elistists dont have to be jerk...
I was about to say WOW Tommy learned English and grammar ... then I noticed it was a cut and paste

Clawdius_Talonious

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
and you certainly see them more than once a while in a blue moon.
Sorry, I mean to say that one person, in a gameplay time of hunting, isn't going to often see one. I myself have logged nearly 3000 hours (6 to go) and I haven't stumbled across very many, however I don't go chest hunting, Treasure Hunter isn't a title I am after. So I'm not talking about the player who sits and does chest runs all day and has what I want for sale, I'm talking about your average player.

I will admit that I lean towards the PVP aspects of the game whenever possible, so while as few of my hours as I can spend on PVE as I can, I've still probably done over 1000 hours of the various PVE. When I do open chests I often give the items away to new/low level characters that could use them, I've given away everything from req 9 15-5e Gothic Swords to -2 stance Magma shields. I don't see a need to accumulate a vast hoard of virtual wealth so I try to pass it along whenever I can. And although I never get mentioned in the Scribe for random acts of kindness, I've always given low/new characters good gear. Why? Well for one I always do it with my monk Santa Claws, and for two... Though some people may know enough that they turned around and sold them, but I would rather see a new player get a really nice item and put it to use than to see it go to some collector or some rich person with a hankering for a magma shield.

Maybe I'm an oddball, giving away things that could make me so much gold. Then again, I'd rather be odd and generous than sit atop a pile of gold so high it seperated me from the gameplay that I have come to enjoy so much over the last 17 months.

Phaern Majes

Phaern Majes

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I don't really see it being this big of an issue. I mean if you just use a superior/expert salvage to get the mod, then nobody is going to pay 100k for it. And even if you have to buy the mod from a trader for lets say 10k, then nobody is going to pay you more for the mod. Just saying when it comes down to it, I don't think its going to be that big of a deal. People will just sell their weapons based on the other mods on them and the skins rather than the 15% ^ 50 or w/e.

Tommy

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clawdius_Talonious
Sorry, I mean to say that one person, in a gameplay time of hunting, isn't going to often see one. I myself have logged nearly 3000 hours (6 to go) and I haven't stumbled across very many, however I don't go chest hunting, Treasure Hunter isn't a title I am after. So I'm not talking about the player who sits and does chest runs all day and has what I want for sale, I'm talking about your average player.

I will admit that I lean towards the PVP aspects of the game whenever possible, so while as few of my hours as I can spend on PVE as I can, I've still probably done over 1000 hours of the various PVE. When I do open chests I often give the items away to new/low level characters that could use them, I've given away everything from req 9 15-5e Gothic Swords to -2 stance Magma shields. I don't see a need to accumulate a vast hoard of virtual wealth so I try to pass it along whenever I can. And although I never get mentioned in the Scribe for random acts of kindness, I've always given low/new characters good gear. Why? Well for one I always do it with my monk Santa Claws, and for two... Though some people may know enough that they turned around and sold them, but I would rather see a new player get a really nice item and put it to use than to see it go to some collector or some rich person with a hankering for a magma shield.

Maybe I'm an oddball, giving away things that could make me so much gold. Then again, I'd rather be odd and generous than sit atop a pile of gold so high it seperated me from the gameplay that I have come to enjoy so much over the last 17 months.
dont worry i am odder than you are i sold req8 15% in stance mursarr hornbow, Req8 15^50 20/20 HP+30 Longsword, 20/10 Holy staves, Magmas shield hp25 dam-2 in stance and alot more to merchants. Basically i sell w/e not worth wasting my time selling and nobody in my guild wants it to merchants. yeah i dont pvp, i will never ever enjoy pvp, nothing wrong with it, it is just not my cup of tea. I never do chest run for money , i do it for title. you lose money in the long run in chest run. chest runs dont make you the best money. I am bad guy! i dont give away free items to anyone<except my guidies who dont really play at all>.you want it you have to work for it.

Mordakai

Mordakai

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Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybah
exactly my words. you all dont wanna work for it.

Slight correction...

Anet apparently doesn't want us to work for it, which is fine by me.



It's funny that people for Inscriptions are singled out at being "complainers"... when we are actually not complaining. We are praising Anet for something that should have been available from the beginning.

People against Inscriptions are the complainers, because they took a chance on speculation, and lost.

And don't buy this "no one will afford 15k armor anymore". Uh, who cares? It's supposed to be an achievement to get expensive armor, not a frickin' lottery where someone ends up with a 100k weapon to pay for everything!

As for the treasure hunter title: guess what! It's made just for people like leprekan.

Talk about "vanity" items, I can think of nothing more vain than a "Treasure Hunter" title! It's certainly not there for casual players...

(but for those wondering what you'll do now: there's your answer! And, according to the logic "things are only valuable when they're impossible to get", this title should be even better to get when the prices drop! Talk about the ultimate status symbol...)

DeathByAmor

DeathByAmor

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Quote:
Originally Posted by unienaule
Since when are rich people elitist? As far as I know, elitists are people who won't talk to you because they think they're better than you are, and generally act like jerks to anyone they don't know... and that's certainly not what any of the rich people in here have been doing. I have yet to see "OMG I HAVE MILionS OF ECtoS STFU." So, keep your terms right and don't classify people as things they're not.
That is exactly what leprekan was doing. I hope that noone else feels the need to act like jerks. If you are angry about this update focus your anger on those parties responsible. I assure you "whiny" poor people did not bring about this update. This is more likely ANet's way of making it easier for people to kit out their heros with nice items. The fact that you can mod out rare skins is just a side effect. One that we will get over...

leprekan

leprekan

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathByAmor
That is exactly what leprekan was doing. I hope that noone else feels the need to act like jerks. If you are angry about this update focus your anger on those parties responsible. I assure you "whiny" poor people did not bring about this update. This is more likely ANet's way of making it easier for people to kit out their heros with nice items. The fact that you can mod out rare skins is just a side effect. One that we will get over...
Death,

I don't "act like a jerk" to people I don't know. However I also know BS when I see it and often will comment upon it. Sorry if a few of your posts fell into that category. The upside to your not liking me is at least now you have been educated enough to stop with the sadly misinformed Ebay tangent you were on (or did you edit those posts.

Most of the changes are brought about by "whiny" forum posts. Please feel free to show me how they have had such a positive impact on the GW economy. The more the economy is tanked the harder it will be for the casual player to get higher end armor and titles. Those that are saying who cares ... the same people demanding cheap perfect weapons now will care with time. Enter a whole new set of whine threads over those items 3 months down the road.

DeathByAmor

DeathByAmor

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Can a mod please tell me why the stickied Poll had the link removed? That was a legitimate poll.

tenryo

Frost Gate Guardian

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All I can say is.... reduce the casting cost of gale back to 5e and I'll shut up about all of this :P

leprekan

leprekan

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Quote:
Originally Posted by tenryo
All I can say is.... reduce the casting cost of gale back to 5e and I'll shut up about all of this :P
LOL I miss gale too

Clawdius_Talonious

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathByAmor
Can a mod please tell me why the stickied Poll had the link removed? That was a legitimate poll.
That HAS to be some sort of mistake... I mean, why would they sticky and close it and remove the link to the poll? I understand they deleted the discourse present in that thread, but why would they sticky a poll that has no poll?

Mordakai

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Quote:
Originally Posted by leprekan
Death,

I don't "act like a jerk" to people I don't know. However I also know BS when I see it and often will comment upon it. Sorry if a few of your posts fell into that category. The upside to your not liking me is at least now you have been educated enough to stop with the sadly misinformed Ebay tangent you were on (or did you edit those posts.

Most of the changes are brought about by "whiny" forum posts. Please feel free to show me how they have had such a positive impact on the GW economy. The more the economy is tanked the harder it will be for the casual player to get higher end armor and titles. Those that are saying who cares ... the same people demanding cheap perfect weapons now will care with time. Enter a whole new set of whine threads over those items 3 months down the road.
leprekan: 15k armor and FoW requirements have not changed since release!

Anet is NOT going to change those, because they have absolutely no effect on the game.

Prices set by traders change all the time due to drop rates, demand, etc.

This is just another change, for the better, IMO.

Crotalus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

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Originally Posted by DeathByAmor
Can a mod please tell me why the stickied Poll had the link removed? That was a legitimate poll.
Just post the link in here. Maybe they will delete the link and lock this topic.

sumrtym

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
just put a WTB thread and offer 20 million for them. sure someone will find it for you.
Thks for proving my point. You can't point to any, and if you could, it would be a $20 million dollar item for ONE thing I want.

If that doesn't prove the need for inherent mod salvage, I don't know what does.

DeathByAmor

DeathByAmor

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by leprekan
Death,

I don't "act like a jerk" to people I don't know. However I also know BS when I see it and often will comment upon it. Sorry if a few of your posts fell into that category. The upside to your not liking me is at least now you have been educated enough to stop with the sadly misinformed Ebay tangent you were on (or did you edit those posts.

Most of the changes are brought about by "whiny" forum posts. Please feel free to show me how they have had such a positive impact on the GW economy. The more the economy is tanked the harder it will be for the casual player to get higher end armor and titles. Those that are saying who cares ... the same people demanding cheap perfect weapons now will care with time. Enter a whole new set of whine threads over those items 3 months down the road.
Misinformed Ebay tangent? That is still a very valid reason to implement this update. If it were not for the fact that the heros are being added I would still stand by that. Ebayers and Korean/Chinese Farmers are one of THE worst elements in this game. They single handedly can influence the GW economy. If ANet releases an update that discourages Ebay farmers from leeching off the GW community you will see an enormous change in the game. That is a promise.

As far as your comments on the high end armor and titles I am all for that. Those are the items that ANet wants to actually mean something. Those are supposed to be the creme de la creme of this game...not the weapons.

Who is whining now? I ask that not as some jab in your side, but if you take your logic into this equation then you have to ask yourself...should ANet react to me complaining about this possible update? Should ANet listen to a small group of "more experienced" players or should they listen to their larger base which is mostly casuals?

DeathByAmor

DeathByAmor

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Join Date: Aug 2006

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Originally Posted by Crotalus
Just post the link in here. Maybe they will delete the link and lock this topic.
http://snappoll.com/poll/135726.php

Phoenix Ex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/R

You know, not that I thought about how people says that options is a good thing, its true. GW is awfully lacking in options for the hardcore players, and that's why alot of them are holding on to one of the few options(weapon skins) that are left as an accomplishment.

I mean there's 15k armor, which is EASY to get, then all of a suddent its fow armor which is over one million. Where's the middle of the road 200k armor, or the above average 600k armor.

Another gripe is that the title system is ridiculously obscure. Who actually goes around looking at other people's accomplishment? What we need is emote similar to the PvP rank ones with each of the harder titles. The "congradulating yourself" only works for so long.

There's also should be some unique weapons skins separate from the economy but tied to other game accomplishment (Certain HARD quests, maybe linked to titles, maybe finishing ALL quests, etc.)

I still believe an auction house would still be a better options in comparison to inscriptions, because it'll keep the adventuring and item hunting aspect in the game for the more hardcord players, while increasing the competition between sellers so that prices will lower to a more accepatble level (yes, I do find 100k+ecto for farmable items ridiculous) for the casual players.

leprekan

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mordakai
leprekan: 15k armor and FoW requirements have not changed since release!

Anet is NOT going to change those, because they have absolutely no effect on the game.

Prices set by traders change all the time due to drop rates, demand, etc.

This is just another change, for the better, IMO.
Mord,

Pleaseeeeeeeeeee low req vanity skins are NO different than vanity armor and titles. Yet you keep trying to act like they are.

Anet could make this easier on your upgrades you seem to think should be cheap ... by putting a trader in for them and letting supply and demand control the price. However your argument that you should be able to get 30 pommels etc for next to nothing when a 29 does same job is rather hard to choke down. The 1hp is vanity.

Two April Mornings

Two April Mornings

No Luck No Time No Money

Join Date: Nov 2005

Amherst College, MA

Scars Meadows [SMS]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex
You know, not that I thought about how people says that options is a good thing, its true. GW is awfully lacking in options for the hardcore players, and that's why alot of them are holding on to one of the few options(weapon skins) that are left as an accomplishment.
That's what I am holding on to, except, this change will upset that, sadly enough, if it is implemented.

Making the salvage of inherent mods and the ability to add them to weapons unoticibly would have the same psychological effect to weapons collectors and hardcore players that lowering rank 12 to 1000 fame would have to hardcore HA players.

sumrtym

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Now THAT is a good idea. Not only inherent mod salvages, but a prefix/suffix/inherent mod trader. I like it.

Tommy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Grotto,The Paradise of GW Afkers

Afkers Never [CRY]

W/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by leprekan
Mord,

Pleaseeeeeeeeeee low req vanity skins are NO different than vanity armor and titles. Yet you keep trying to act like they are.

Anet could make this easier on your upgrades you seem to think should be cheap ... by putting a trader in for them and letting supply and demand control the price. However your argument that you should be able to get 30 pommels etc for next to nothing when a 29 does same job is rather hard to choke down. The 1hp is vanity.
traders can't really help with supply and demand.. what if the rich traders buy up everything from traders? price will certainly go up.