Is anyone else worried about the new salvage options?

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

If there was all inherent combinations covered by anet would there still be a problem? What if Anet also made the collectors skins more attractive?

Originally Posted by milias

Huh? I wasn't talking about insider trading, I was talking about the perceived value in "perfect" items. Just like stocks, it's a perceived value, and like stocks, when stock prices go down, you lose money.



I believe most inherent bonuses are available in the form of collector/crafter/green items. Also keep in mind that if some change is made to benefit you, it will come at a cost to someone else, which in this case, is people like me.

Originally Posted by Mordakai

Which is probably why some designer said, "Hey, instead of making all these collector's, why not just make the inherent modifier removeable?"

Genius, IMO. As long as there are Mod and Inscription traders, this will make casual players life much easier.

Originally Posted by DeathByAmor

Just to let you guys know this news of the inherent mods has already had a big effect on the market. I saw a Req 8 Sephis 15^50 that sold for 85 ectos in Lions Arch and a Req 9 15^50 20/20 +30 sell for 100k + 15 ectos. I have seen alot of people buying up rare skinned req 8 weapons as well as high req bad skinned 15^50 weapons. Heck I bought up around 40 high req bad skinned swords and axes for around 5-10k each. Of course if this ends up not being a good investment at least I will have items to give to my heros and plenty to sell to others for their heros. If you want to make this new market work for you you will need to start early.

Originally Posted by milias

If they had made this decision from the get-go, it would've been perfectly fine. But making this change now will end up pissing a lot of people off.

Originally Posted by milias

Again, I fail to see how this is casual-player friendly. Casual players won't have the resources to engage in this kind of trading.

Originally Posted by Winx.ZN

So sorry for warriors and their 15^50 req 7-8 market of super high priced goods. This ONE mod seems to be the highlight of this thread. 15^50 15^50 15^50 15^50.

Originally Posted by milias

Again, I fail to see how this is casual-player friendly. Casual players won't have the resources to engage in this kind of trading.

Originally Posted by leprekan

Can anyone show me one time Anet was able to tweak the economy and had a positive effect.

Long ago you might not salvage that rune ... Anet fixes this ... net effect is ALL runes drop to almost worthless.

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

There's one positive effect. I can afford em all.



Another positive. Overpriced item now available to all.



So everyone will be able to afford inscriptions of their choice?

Another good thing.

Originally Posted by leprekan

Can anyone show me one time Anet was able to tweak the economy and had a positive effect.

Originally Posted by leprekan

Long ago you might not salvage that rune ... Anet fixes this ... net effect is ALL runes drop to almost worthless.

Originally Posted by leprekan

Anet decides to increase the drop rate of superior absorb ... net effect is they are worth more sold to merchant than trader. (it wasn't the Chinese farmer that killed absorb it was the players)

Originally Posted by leprekan

A few months ago the rare and rune trader was fooked up. Anet did a rollback because it was a what? "economy killer" So please stop acting like Anet doesn't want or know that there is an in game economy.

Originally Posted by leprekan

The one thing everyone seems to ignore is that people will still want gold not gold items. Enter a new green what happens? EVERYONE farms it to death trying to make some cash ... end result they become worthless.

Originally Posted by leprekan

Same thing will happen with inscriptions. Those Ebay farmers you all loathe will crash the market trying to meet their quotas. 30hp pommels selling for 40k and you people act like the market is up ... they were 100k or higher and had been for most of the past 17 months. Things have not been this cheap since the first few weeks of the original release.

Originally Posted by leprekan

It is interesting that a few of the pro posters are slowly showing that their positive view of this update is definitely for personal gain. Many are now arguing that the new heros will need to be equipped with better than collector items ... yet they opposed vanity skins and people that had them and sold them. Which I find funny ...why does it matter what a personal hench uses.

Originally Posted by leprekan

Excellent! Now how do you buy armor? FoW armor? Even if you say **cough bs** you have no desire for it ... MOST do. Those about to say they dont care if they get it give it a rest or you wouldn't care about being able to make a low req perfect weapon when there are high req perfect mod weapons already available. You people don't seem to get the big picture ... without items worth more than 1k anything but basic armor is out of reach for most of the players.

Originally Posted by Mordakai

Any time prices go lower, that's a positive effect (for me)!



Good. Runes are essential to your character, and should be as cheap as possible. Now, if only we could get Sup Vigor down a little more...



Last I checked, Sup Absorption were still 500g to sell to Rune Trader. I don't think anything you sell the Merchant is worth 500g...

But you're right, many Runes are sold for more at Merchant than Rune Trader. Again, since Runes are a requirement for your Attributes to be above 13, I don't see how this is bad for the game.



Close. They roll back so a few lucky people don't get super rich over a glitch (buying Sup. Vigor for cheap, then selling them for 10k when the price goes back)

If anything Anet doesn't want prices to go to high on "essential" items (see the Sup. Absorption Rune price mentioned earlier). We can get into a whole other debate about what's "essential", if you'd like...



What is the current prices on Greens? 10k - 50k correct?

If 50k is worthless, then what is worth something? 100,000? 1 million?




Good. The lower the prices the better for me. (40k is still too high for my budget).



Why does it matter what your character uses? For me, this is less about Skins, and more about access to certain modifiers I don't currently have access to.

Fact: Heroes will need Runes. Runes will go up in price (unless drop rates are adjusted accordingly).

Fact: Heroes will need items. Some people will be satisfied with collectors, but I guarantee within a day of release, you'll see screenshots of Heroes all decked out in super-rare skins. Thank goodness the armor is not dyeable, or everyone's Heroes would prob. be dyed Black, too. /sarcasm

(Actually, it would be nice to dye your hero, just so it looks different than other's Heroes...)


As for making a profit... isn't that the whole goal of trading? You act like all you want to do is make things better for the "players", but you refuse to admit that most players have less gold than you do! Lower prices will help most players. They will hurt some players, I don't deny that. But I continue to believe that this update (if done correctly), will help more people than it hurts...

Originally Posted by Tommy

hmm the problem is that how do we manage to get 42(21 heroesx2 items)+ items for all our heroes? <assuming we got 7 chars> even hardcore will find hard time to getr all the sup vigors and perfect 15^50 gold items..

Originally Posted by leprekan

Do you actually play this game?

Originally Posted by leprekan

That rollback was not about a "few" people everyone near a rare/rune trader was buying as fast as they could. It was a HUGE amount of people doing it ... showing basic human nature at its worst. It was rolled back because it went on for almost an hour and would have killed the economy

Originally Posted by leprekan

How is sup vig or absorb "essential"? We are talking -1 or +9hps extra ... they are bragging rights end of story.

Originally Posted by leprekan

Greens that are easy to get are WORTHLESS also showing basic human nature of the majority being LAZY hence the few above 10k still. 40k still too high for your budget? And you have to have that 30hp pommel instead of the cheap 29hp one why? Listen to yourself ... me me me. I refuse to admit nothing .. I fall into the rich category and this update will not change that. I look at long term life of game not the short term how will this benefit me.