Is anyone else worried about the new salvage options?
LadyNilene
i dont think this will be too much of a problem, only towards the people who sells mods, prices will probably drop, other than that, i dont see what the big deal is.
Velath
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Originally Posted by milias
If they're selling, and no one's buying, then they will need to lower their prices, eventually. However, as long as someone is willing to pay 100k+ectos for some item, that's where it's going to be. It's just supply and demand.
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Hybrid Theory
with this new inscription thing, i dont even want a 15>50 crystalline sword anymore. lol. i only liked it before cause it was really freaking rare and hard to get one. Theres nothing special about crystallines anymore. they may just be a bit more rare then some other skins. meh..
Franco
people , why are you flaming high end sellers? Saying they are selfish and just want gold and stuff.
Wake up! Anyone can get a 15^50 collector, 20/20 sundering mods suck , Vampiric , Zealous FTW, and they are cheap. +30hp also sucks, 5al vs all, ftw, and very cheap.
+30hp only useful in pvp for blood spike and other dmg that ignores armor. Make a pvp character and get that for free.
Stop flaming. 15^50 weapons are already available for everyone.
The rare skin ones should be kept in game and at the high prices 100k+xx ectos because some people just enjoy playing to get them and collect them.
Ofcourse this will be too easy after..... if the rumours are true.
Wake up! Anyone can get a 15^50 collector, 20/20 sundering mods suck , Vampiric , Zealous FTW, and they are cheap. +30hp also sucks, 5al vs all, ftw, and very cheap.
+30hp only useful in pvp for blood spike and other dmg that ignores armor. Make a pvp character and get that for free.
Stop flaming. 15^50 weapons are already available for everyone.
The rare skin ones should be kept in game and at the high prices 100k+xx ectos because some people just enjoy playing to get them and collect them.
Ofcourse this will be too easy after..... if the rumours are true.
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by Hybrid Theory
with this new inscription thing, i dont even want a 15>50 crystalline sword anymore. lol. i only liked it before cause it was really freaking rare and hard to get one. Theres nothing special about crystallines anymore. they may just be a bit more rare then some other skins. meh..
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What's the cheapest Crystalline for sale right now? That will be as low as the price goes, even with Inscriptions.
And I suspect Pefect Gold Crystallines will still be high in demand, just because... they're Gold. (depending on how the specifics of this Inscription thing plays out).
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Originally Posted by Franco
people , why are you flaming high end sellers? Saying they are selfish and just want gold and stuff.
Wake up! Anyone can get a 15^50 collector, |
Again, I've already said I feel sorry for those who will lose money... but, that's the risk for speculation.
Plus, many high-end sellers admit they'll actually make money on this update.
So, this boils down to one issue: Will people stop playing Guild Wars with easier access to rare skins (keep in mind, the rarest skins, like crystallines, will still be out of the price range for most players).
And that, we can only guess.
Franco
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I can? Where? Again, I've already said I feel sorry for those who will lose money... but, that's the risk for speculation. Plus, many high-end sellers admit they'll actually make money on this update. So, this boils down to one issue: Will people stop playing Guild Wars with easier access to rare skins (keep in mind, the rarest skins, like crystallines, will still be out of the price range for most players). And that, we can only guess. |
I ve seen loads of weapon crafters that offer them and collectors aswel.
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by Franco
GW WIKI FTW .
I ve seen loads of weapon crafters that offer them and collectors aswel. |
The only 15 over 50 "collector" I know of is the Faction End of Game collector...
Which is a great reward, but:
They're "One per character".
The sword is req 15.
They're Green.
So, if there are 15 over 50 collectors, please let me know. I'm looking for them.
SirShadowrunner
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Originally Posted by Franco
Wake up! Anyone can get a 15^50 collector, 20/20 sundering mods suck , Vampiric , Zealous FTW, and they are cheap. +30hp also sucks, 5al vs all, ftw, and very cheap. |
sword mods for 75k, just go to Droks and have the crafter make you one for 5k.....
only problem with these weapons is, you cannot get the mods back off once you
install them, so beware.....
DeathByAmor
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Originally Posted by Hybrid Theory
with this new inscription thing, i dont even want a 15>50 crystalline sword anymore. lol. i only liked it before cause it was really freaking rare and hard to get one. Theres nothing special about crystallines anymore. they may just be a bit more rare then some other skins. meh..
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Gli
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Originally Posted by milias
So is the real world my friend
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No one can afford to price their goods or services uncompetitively for weeks on end in the real world, hoping to one day run into a fool who's willing to pay. In the real world, there's one very important thing you hardly see in game economies: the need to generate turnover. Guild Wars tries to create the need for turnover by limiting our storage, but the real hardcore crowd circumvents this by having multiple accounts and more recently, extra character slots.
The bottom line is, Guild Wars has a very dysfunctional economy right now because natural economic principles don't apply. Having NPC traders for every commodity would go a long way in fixing it.
I think I just figured it all out while writing this.
Imagine having trader NPCs to regulate the prices of all the components needed to be able to make every possible piece of equipment. That would be the best possible fix to the economy short of an auction house. All we need are salvagable inherent mods (inscriptions), and an upgrade/inscription trader. Equipment trade will be subject to prices indexed by the game engine, like dyes, runes and materials. The supply and demand mechanism will kick in for real.
I think this is the trade improvement we've been promised, and there won't be an auction house, ever.
ChildeOfMalkav
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Originally Posted by Evls Pwn
Making pve pointless isn't what I call having the best interests of the common player in mind.
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Geezus, if you think items devaluing a little bit is ruining PVE, you really should play a game where the focus is on trading and the economy instead. It's pathetic that people like you place so much importance on how rich you in the game instead of enjoying the game for it's main attraction....and it's sure not playing the economy.
Tommy
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Originally Posted by DeathByAmor
This makes no sense. Crystallines are still just as rare as they were. The drop rate is no higher today than before this update was printed in the PC Gamer mag. The only difference is that now people can buy crystallines with bad mods or no mods and mod up to 15^50. I know for sure that I will be modding mine with a 15% unconditional so that my Req 8 will still be the rarest of the rare.
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dont forget it is an advantage too.. you can't have any advantage in GW.and i bet they will nerf it if ppl start selling them for skyrocking price
the whinners will start whinning and say OMFG Dead by armor i want it too! and almight Gail will make it accessable to everybody or completely nerf it at once. they already nerf the rockmolder..
Franco
Crystallines are different because they only drop in hall of heroes.
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by Gli
Imagine having trader NPCs to regulate the prices of all the components needed to be able to make every possible piece of equipment. That would be the best possible fix to the economy short of an auction house. All we need are salvagable inherent mods (inscriptions), and an upgrade/inscription trader. Equipment trade will be subject to prices indexed by the game engine, like dyes, runes and materials. The supply and demand mechanism will kick in for real.
I think this is the trade improvement we've been promised, and there won't be an auction house, ever. |
I was going to post this, but I figured all the flames I would get from the traders wouldn't be worth it. I'm glad you did, though.
Merchants FTW.
Tommy and Death: Yes, what if 15% unconditionals are removed?
I support such a move. Would that bother anyone?
Gli
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Originally Posted by Tommy
what if Anet nerf 15 unconditional too
dont forget it is an advantage too.. you can't have any advantage in GW.and i bet they will nerf it if ppl start selling them for skyrocking price the whinners will start whinning and say OMFG Dead by armor i want it too! and almight Gail will make it accessable to everybody or completely nerf it at once. they already nerf the rockmolder.. |
Phoenix Ex
The problem with GW is the lack of any good options for rich people to spend money on. There is FoW armor and....title, and that's it?! Title for one is absolutley pointless since you have to mouse over the person to see it lol, no one will bother looking. So that leaves FoW armor and Fow armor only. (well, and guild npcs but that's only limited to guild hall, so its just as bad)
What Anet need to is to add more stuff like Foot Aura (diablo 2 style) for 200k, head halo for 300k, Merchant exclusive plasma sword for 400k, crackling lighting body aura for 500k, collector edition style dances 700k, PvP style emote, etc. etc. MORE DAMMIT! (and NOT invisible stuff like title and minipet.)
Then rich people will be distracted long enough that weapon won't be considered.
What Anet need to is to add more stuff like Foot Aura (diablo 2 style) for 200k, head halo for 300k, Merchant exclusive plasma sword for 400k, crackling lighting body aura for 500k, collector edition style dances 700k, PvP style emote, etc. etc. MORE DAMMIT! (and NOT invisible stuff like title and minipet.)
Then rich people will be distracted long enough that weapon won't be considered.
Abnaxus
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
Tommy and Death: Yes, what if 15% unconditionals are removed?
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They can have everything they want and willing to spend money for.
I don't care about what other players have, I'm interested in what I can craft and use for my characters.
Clawdius_Talonious
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
So, if there are 15 over 50 collectors, please let me know. I'm looking for them.
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Mordakai
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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex
What Anet need to is to add more stuff like Foot Aura (diablo 2 style) for 200k, head halo for 300k, Merchant exclusive plasma sword for 400k, crackling lighting body aura for 500k, collector edition style dances 700k, PvP style emote, etc. etc. MORE DAMMIT! (and NOT invisible stuff like title and minipet.)
Then rich people will be distracted long enough that weapon won't be considered. |
LOL! I like it.
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Originally Posted by Abnaxus
I don't support things like this at all.
They can have everything they want and willing to spend money for. I don't care about what other players have, I'm interested in what I can craft and use for my characters. |
15% unconditional is unfair, not only to fellow PvEers who don't have access to it, but especially PvPers!
This should have been removed from the game when the drops were. Huge mistake by Anet.
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Originally Posted by Clawdius
For swords? Take your celestial essences to Senji's and get yourself a 15^50 Daodao sword.
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seut
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
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So, yeah, Anet does eventually learn. Supply and Demand: Anet has total control of Supply. If they want Ectos to fall in price, they'd simply make Ectos drops common. If Ecto falls "too low", they could always lower the drop rates. If they want Sup Vigors to drop to Sup Absorption levels, they can do that, too. |
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* Increased probability of finding Superior Vigor and Superior Absorption runes.
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Thus i've lost my faith in phrases like "wait and see" and "if it's broken, they'll fix it later".
Clawdius_Talonious
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
LOL! I like it.
I only support cosmetic differences, like crystallines. 15% unconditional is unfair, not only to fellow PvEers who don't have access to it, but especially PvPers! Doh! Thanks... are there 15^50 collector axes and hammers, too? |
search collector
And while I agree that 15% unconditionals are unfair in PVP, I'm not sure it'd be easy to make old weapons like that disappear or be changed to 15^50
Wouldn't it be amusing if someone tried to salvage their unconditional inscription and it made it 15^50?
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by seut
They actually wanted a drop increase of Superior Vigors. Unfortunately it never really happened and it was forgotten by Anet like many other topics, because they are too busy to meet their next deadline
Thus i've lost my faith in phrases like "wait and see" and "if it's broken, they'll fix it later". |
I mean, how many Sup Absorptions do people need?
Just a thought...
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And while I agree that 15% unconditionals are unfair in PVP, I'm not sure it'd be easy to make old weapons like that disappear or be changed to 15^50 Wouldn't it be amusing if someone tried to salvage their unconditional inscription and it made it 15^50? |
milias
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
Doh! Thanks... are there 15^50 collector axes and hammers, too?
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Clawdius_Talonious
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Originally Posted by milias
I'm sorry but I was really surprised by this. All the while we were carrying on the discussion, you didn't know these existed?
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sumrtym
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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex
The problem with GW is the lack of any good options for rich people to spend money on. There is FoW armor and....title, and that's it?! Title for one is absolutley pointless since you have to mouse over the person to see it lol, no one will bother looking. So that leaves FoW armor and Fow armor only. (well, and guild npcs but that's only limited to guild hall, so its just as bad)
What Anet need to is to add more stuff like Foot Aura (diablo 2 style) for 200k, head halo for 300k, Merchant exclusive plasma sword for 400k, crackling lighting body aura for 500k, collector edition style dances 700k, PvP style emote, etc. etc. MORE DAMMIT! (and NOT invisible stuff like title and minipet.) Then rich people will be distracted long enough that weapon won't be considered. |
Get it through your head. No one but you cares. ANET is about to change it so the egotistical people who go around lording things all day and spamming chat or groups with their weapon either change cause anyone can make the same thing or leave. These traders like to call everyone else a whiner looking for a free meal, rather than what it really is, being able to realistically obtain weapons they want with skins they want. It's not like they still won't have to go find or buy parts. All your arguments against it are so transparent, and frankly, pathetic. Like I said before, don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by milias
I'm sorry but I was really surprised by this. All the while we were carrying on the discussion, you didn't know these existed?
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I did look for these items awhile ago on Guildwiki, but must have missed them.
When Clawdius mentioned the sword, I felt like a complete idiot.
Does this change the argument?
Not at all. I already knew 15 over 50 weapons were craftable. That was never really the issue...
BUT, not all mods are currently available in collector's or crafters (as far as I know!) In any case, I think the option to salvage Inscriptions would still be a great complement to the other options of Crafters, Collectors, and Greens.
I also think some skins could remain "un-inscriptable" for Vanity reasons.
I also think that 15% unconditionals should be removed from the game, and replaced with 15 over 50.
So, I'm sure I have some unpopular views!
sumrtym: If Guild Wars didn't support vanity, why do CEs offer unique dances?
Why are 15k armor and FoW armor even available? It's obvious there is a place, perhaps even a need, for Vanity Items in Guild Wars.
My argument is that while Inscriptions will lower the price on some vanity items, there will still be rare items to collect and trade. The fun will still be there.
Phoenix Ex
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Originally Posted by sumrtym
Again, for those traders, it all comes down to being annoying little ..... (you can fill in that blank can't you?) who just want something to lord over everyone else. Need proof of that? It's in the above post. "NOT invisible stuff", not just in guild halls, etc. Something I can show off to everyone.
Get it through your head. No one but you cares. ANET is about to change it so the egotistical people who go around lording things all day and spamming chat or groups with their weapon either change cause anyone can make the same thing or leave. These traders like to call everyone else a whiner looking for a free meal, rather than what it really is, being able to realistically obtain weapons they want with skins they want. It's not like they still won't have to go find or buy parts. All your arguments against it are so transparent, and frankly, pathetic. Like I said before, don't let the door hit ya on the way out. |
Its called adding new incentives that are strong enough to keep people interested in GW, and a line of text ain't exactly good looking enough. I mean comeon, I can't even see it MYSELF, unless I select myself. If you hate people getting expensive cosmetic options, why not support one of my old idea of giving out FoW armor for free? Gold Sinks is needed? Well all those ideas I put up are perfect gold sinks.
Not everyone that buy expensive stuff are elitists, overgeneralization ftl.
sumrtym
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
I also think some skins could remain "in-inscriptable" for Vanity reasons.
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I think that's the GENERAL attitude of most people that play this game. We buy the armor / weapons we like BECAUSE we like their looks, and done. The minority are the ones who place rarity over looks, who hate how their armor looks dyed black but do it just because black is the most expensive and they want to look rich, etc. I find that thinking pitiful, and I find it even more pitiful that they want to try and keep people from obtaining what they want in the game by fighting this needed change so they can feel "special". These people are no different than the guilds who won the elite missions and refused to ferry anyone in, or wanted to charge them a giant amount to do so but not partner with them inside. Elitism has no place in guild wars. Either like your char and weapons and stop worrying who has what, or move on to WoW.
milias
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
OK, in my defense:
I did look for these items awhile ago on Guildwiki, but must have missed them. When Clawdius mentioned the sword, I felt like a complete idiot. |
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Does this change the argument?
Not at all. I already knew 15 over 50 weapons were craftable. That was never really the issue... BUT, not all mods are currently available in collector's or crafters (as far as I know!) In any case, I think the option to salvage Inscriptions would still be a great complement to the other options of Crafters, Collectors, and Greens. |
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I also think some skins could remain "un-inscriptable" for Vanity reasons.
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I also think that 15% unconditionals should be removed from the game, and replaced with 15 over 50.
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sumrtym
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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex
Guess what? Without these people clamoring for new goodies in PvE you wouldn't see addition of Jade Weapons, Golden Maul, and all the new skin that you people so coveted.
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"If it wasn't for me and the following rich dudes demanding new items, ANET wouldn't add any, and then the rest of you couldn't buy them from us."
Give me a break. Every time you say something you illustrate why this change is needed. I'm sorry the titles aren't FLASHY enough for you, that you get no sense of achievement unless you can lord it over others. Again, go play a game that caters to the "I have no life" crowd.
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by milias
Sorry if it came out wrong, but I wasn't trying to make you feel bad or anything, I was just surprised.
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Counter-argument to this would be why re-invent the wheel if they exist already?
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Anet is going to cut back on Collectors. Think about it: every Chapter has two new professions, with about 8 more reqs that need to have items for. As Guild Wars grows, it's going to be harder and harder to keep track of all the collector's items needed to fullfill the needs of every player.
Of course, Anet could just want to screw over the farmers and traders, too. (do people really think that?)
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Originally Posted by milias
That would be nearly impossible, in my opinion, and it would be a nightmare for ANet to decide which skins are considered "vanity" and which aren't. Either way, they will have upset customers on their hands.
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Originally Posted by milias
I agree with this. Why do I agree with this? Because I consider this a bug or rather an exploit, which is unfair to most players. People who have these kinds of weapons should have known way beforehand that these wouldn't last forever, like the 20/20 Rockmolder.
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Clawdius_Talonious
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
I actually like Clawdius's idea
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the plural of names that end in s is just an apostrophe on the end, heh
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by Clawdius_Talonious
No matter how many times I hear that it always gives me a warm fuzzy feeling
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http://www.arts.uottawa.ca/writcent/...mar/nouns.html
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You can form the possessive case of a singular noun that ends in "s" by adding an apostrophe alone or by adding an apostrophe and "s," as in the following examples: The bus's seats are very uncomfortable. The bus' seats are very uncomfortable. The film crew accidentally crushed the platypus's eggs. The film crew accidentally crushed the platypus' eggs. Felicia Hemans's poetry was once more popular than Lord Byron's. Felicia Hemans' poetry was once more popular than Lord Byron's. |
dansamy
The Rockmolder nerf was appropriate. I think adding inscriptions might be a paving stone for adding a weapon mod trader. Then weapon prices will then more accurately reflect supply & demand and the weapon market will stabilize. Rare skins will be worthwhile regardless of the mods, as long as they are max & low req. This will actually split up pricing. Rather than one piece costing 100k, you'll have 4 pieces (weapon, inscription, prefix & suffix) each fetching their own price.
Clawdius_Talonious
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
I was going to argue with you, but apparently we are both right:
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Mordakai
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Originally Posted by dansamy
The Rockmolder nerf was appropriate. I think adding inscriptions might be a paving stone for adding a weapon mod trader. Then weapon prices will then more accurately reflect supply & demand and the weapon market will stabilize. Rare skins will be worthwhile regardless of the mods, as long as they are max & low req. This will actually split up pricing. Rather than one piece costing 100k, you'll have 4 pieces (weapon, inscription, prefix & suffix) each fetching their own price.
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Mod Merchants are long overdue.
milias
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
Mod Merchants are long overdue.
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DeathByAmor
I know I have been all for this update and all so far, but if ANet nerfed my 15% unconditional mod I would be RAGING mad. I am gonna have a Req 8 15% Unconditional Crystalline and Dwarven bygod. 
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by DeathByAmor
I know I have been all for this update and all so far, but if ANet nerfed my 15% unconditional mod I would be RAGING mad. I am gonna have a Req 8 15% Unconditional Crystalline and Dwarven bygod.
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(I know you'd be upset Death, what was your final bid, 700+ ectos?)
Oh well, "the risk of a changeable market" and all that.
Clawdius_Talonious
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Originally Posted by DeathByAmor
I know I have been all for this update and all so far, but if ANet nerfed my 15% unconditional mod I would be RAGING mad. I am gonna have a Req 8 15% Unconditional Crystalline and Dwarven bygod.
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Nevertheless 15 always mods are no longer in the game, not available to PVPers, and do offer a distinct advantage over anything currently obtainable in the game. It's a valid concern IMO, but not something I'm "up in arms" about or anything.
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I agree. I just hope they're not going to be chapter-specific if and when they're implemented.
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