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UndeadRoadkill

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

06 Oct 2006 at 03:14 - 921

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Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

Its not necessarily show-off. Many players who have finished the whole of the PVE side of the games simpyl try to attain the established rarest of skins because that is what is left to do to be "complete."

Guild Wars has also been built around a certain effort. If you do really want that skin adn those stats, you have to work to get them. Whether through trading or farming. Most people do not do this, seeing as how rare and difficult it is to attain such items. Many call it a grind. Just because of this though, it doesn't mean that they shoudl be all of a sudden easily available to everyone.

Why? Why should we just accept that "that's the way it's gotta be?" As I said, I'd rather see more diversity. There is still plenty to do after completing all missions, you really haven't given a solid reason why some skins should be next to impossible to attain.

Clawdius_Talonious

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06 Oct 2006 at 03:28 - 922

What I find hilarious is people say "some things should be difficult to obtain" and then they say "I don't want to grind for FoW armor"... So, you should be able to obtain your FOW armor off the sweat of someone elses virtual brow while you open a lucky chest and get it for the price of a key? It's interesting to think about how many people play this game that don't think sitting on top of millions of gold is the point of the PVE portion of the game. Maybe some of these hardcore farmers will start to dabble in the PVP portion of the game where most of the fun can be had.

I love how we have no clue how it's going to work and everyone is all upset. Everyone's assuming that focusing your salvage will assure you that piece of the weapon, or that you won't have some sort of balancing to it to make inscriptions valuable. Maybe you won't be able to always take the inscription down, but you'll always remove it from the weapon. Perhaps on weapons that are less than max damage the inscriptions will be much less likely to be removable. Maybe an inscription salvaging kit will cost 5k for 10 uses?

It's possible that Anet does know what they're doing - it's their game - and all these people up in arms about a change they don't yet understand fully has provided me with many hours of amusement.

Phoenix Ex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/R

06 Oct 2006 at 03:42 - 923

Which is exactly what I said quite a few posts back, it would be much better if inscription turn the weapon into a brown weapon that act exactly like green with slight limitation (cannot get mods back out, customised, color change, an inscribed tag added to weapon name).

But seems like all the people would only be satisfied if they can get everything they want, screw the economy, and waste rich people's time and hope they go rot and die.

Two April Mornings

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Amherst College, MA

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06 Oct 2006 at 03:59 - 924

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Why? Why should we just accept that "that's the way it's gotta be?" As I said, I'd rather see more diversity. There is still plenty to do after completing all missions, you really haven't given a solid reason why some skins should be next to impossible to attain.

I am not understanding your point of diversity. As for the "way its gotta be": I just think it should remain the way the game has defined it for the past year and a half. There is no need to rebel and add new things, especailly since greens. I wholeheartedl agree with the person above me, as i have made similar suggestions. Inscriptions themselves wouldn't be bad if implemented in such a fashion.

cellardweller

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Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

06 Oct 2006 at 04:06 - 925

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Originally Posted by Franco

lol you all saying this is good and will stop grind.

I want to see new players geting FOW armor without being able to sell a weapon for more then 20k. Thats what Id like to see.

Let me guess, after this, Minipet trading ftw ? [ AKA scammers ]

I've been quietly following this thread with intrest, but I have to take issue with this point. I wouldn't consider myself a rich player but I'm not exactly poor either. I have 8 toons that have finished both campaigns 6 with 60k armour and 2 with FoW armour.

Guess how many weapons I have sold since I started 15months ago- ZERO. Guess how many I have bought - ZERO. Every single gold drop has either been kept, sold to the merchant or given away (in fact back in the day when non-perfect golds were still desireable I used to hold nightly quiznights under the name Tony Barber in Ascalon D1 - fellow ausies will know who I mean lol)

Every single item any of my toons use has dropped for me personally, because this game is about having fun, not having to deal with the price gouging greed-monger that hang out in LA/Kaineng. Thats why I welcome inscriptions - it gives players who don't want to deal with traders or spaming WTB for hours on end an option for getting the items they want.

Yes I have my perfect fellblade, Yes I have a crystline, but after spending countless hours soloing FoW, I'm still using my spiked axe because that perfect chaos axe just won't drop. Its disheartening to people that actually play the game instead of trading to kill mob after mob never getting the items you want, and thats why I welcome incriptions. Finally choice has arrived!

Two April Mornings

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06 Oct 2006 at 04:08 - 926

^How much have you farmed though?

UndeadRoadkill

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06 Oct 2006 at 04:09 - 927

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Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

I am not understanding your point of diversity.

Ok, I probably haven't illustrated it that well. Say we've got Skin A and Skin B. Skin A has its own style, but it drops very often. Skin B is more "rare." Everyone ignores Skin A because anyone can get it, and they all try to get Skin B just to prove how cool, or 1337 or whatever they are by having it. Then you have all kinds of silly things like people judging others by what they carry (Is he a good player for having that skin? Is that guy an ebayer for being able to afford it?) and a whole bunch of people with the same weapon skin.

If all skins are reasonably attainable (all those who equate this with merchants handing out crystallines for free make me laugh), then I think there will be no skins that get labelled as "teh uber-1337" or whatever. I think there will be less pressure to have such-and-such must-have skin, and people will begin to choose skins based more on their own personal taste, and we will see a larger variety of skins being used. Especially considering how many skins will be available in three campaigns-worth of content.

Mordakai

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Kyhlo

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06 Oct 2006 at 04:20 - 928

Please explain this logic to me, cause I just don't get it:

Why on Earth would casual gamers, who we all agree this update is mostly for, care about FoW armor?!?

The idea that you have to sell weapons to get FoW armor is false, as illustrated above and by others. But to even use it as the sole reason not to have Inscriptions is disingenuous at best.

If people think FoW armor is "too hard" to get (although the people making such an argument have no qualms about making rare skins and mods hard to get!), start another thread about FoW armor.

This thread is about Inscriptions. It has nothing to do with 15k armor, FoW armor, titles, or anything BUT Inscriptions!

cellardweller

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The Older Gamers [TOG]

06 Oct 2006 at 04:21 - 929

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Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

^How much have you farmed though?

I beleive I said "countless hours" ^^

sumrtym

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

06 Oct 2006 at 04:27 - 930

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Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

^How much have you farmed though?

I'll take that one. I have over 3500 hours, and still don't have a +5 energy oni blade, a single 20/20 zodiac wand or staff, or a max stat zodiac shield. Granted, most that time is actually playing the game with friends (shockers). However, I've spent a fair amount of time farming. And yet still I can't get what I go after.

This after farming them to death. Same with a 15>50 low req chaos axe.

So, let's transititon from the "you have to have no life to get this weapon" to making it actually buildable WITHOUT ARBITRARY CRAP LIMITATIONS.

If the fact that now people can get what you got lucky spending 20 hours a day on GW farming for, well then tough skittles. I don't care.

I think what's really rubbing the majority of these people arguing against it wrong is 2 things: one, I won't be able to show how special and leet I am (whatever) with my uber weapon skin / stat, and two, it might force me to admit how much of my life I wasted on a stupid game accumulating mean nothing "wealth".

Mordakai

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Kyhlo

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06 Oct 2006 at 04:42 - 931

I'd like to come to some sort of understanding of each other before this becomes an all out flamefest: (which would be too bad, I think some interesting points have been raised)

I believe, as purchasers of this fine game, we all deserve a good gaming experience. I think we'd all agree with that.

The argument, it appears to me, is what makes a "good gaming experience." On one side, you have people who just want to play the game. Ie, go through the missions, quests, etc., and have fun. The so called "casual" (or "lazy") players. These players would like to have Perfect Mods and different skins from Collectors and Crafters to play with. And why not? They feel since they bought the game, and have invested time playing it (if not the same amount of time as the second group), why shouldn't they enjoy the benefit of Inscriptions? (which, contrary to popular belief, they did not "petition" or "beg" Anet for).

The second group is hard-core farmers and traders. They have finished all aspects of the game, and the only thing left to do is farm and sell rare weapon skins for millions of gold. They feel that this update will rob them of their hard earned weapons and gold, (although, it could be argued, they really don't lose any weapons or gold, they just lose value of their weapons, most of which should be Customized anyway and have no trade value at all). So, really, they only lose percieved value for their items, and don't want the first group to get these items they worked so hard for "easily."

The third group has all the benefits of the second, but identifies with the first, and is for Inscriptions because, frankly, "why not?"

Does that sum it up fairly well? If not, what are people's real concerns?

Phoenix Ex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/R

06 Oct 2006 at 04:55 - 932

To me (maybe not to other), the real concern is that there will be no goals left for non-casual players to work for(except for fow armor), which makes the rather short length of the game pretty obvious.

That said, hopefully Nightfall will be MUCH longer than factions and hopefully more expensive cosmetic options will be put into the game.

But as we all know...ANet has a habit of putting half ass changes...(material storage when alot of people have weapons, AoE update without skill readjust, and now, probably making all weapons cheap without adding more vanity for hardcores), so I won't get my hopes up that they will add more vanity.

Ghull Ka

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06 Oct 2006 at 05:41 - 933

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

To me (maybe not to other), the real concern is that there will be no goals left for non-casual players to work for(except for fow armor), which makes the rather short length of the game pretty obvious.

If there's nothing for you to do to keep yourself entertained, then find - another - game. Enjoy Guild Wars or play something else.

I'm non-casual. I play at least 4 hours a day and more on weekends. I have for more than a year. I have plenty of goals to keep me busy, and am having a great time. My goals seem to be different than yours, though, because I'm having a great time playing Guild Wars without doing any "work" in order to obtain leet expensive vanity items. It's just not why I log in every day.

And I'm REALLY looking forward to inscriptions and selectable, non-destructive salvage. Can't happen soon enough!

So, I'm "hardcore" and I don't give a crap about selling high-dollar "vanity" items for profit, and I still have tons of fun goals to accomplish and things to do. I'm willing to wager that there are a LOT of players out there just like me. So maaaaaaaybe there's more to Guild Wars than a "rather short" game + uber item farming, eh?

Besides, there's no need to be concerned about "oh noes, there's not going to be anything for teh pros to do!" if inscriptions are implemented the way we think they will be -- teh pros can just go find other games to play, or find other things to do in Guild Wars. It's a horribly simple choice. Have fun playing Guild Wars or have fun playing something else, ffs.

ANet doesn't NEED you to log in every day, you know. You've bought your copies, had your fun, and both you and ANet have profited by this relationship. If the game isn't any fun anymore, stop torturing yourself by playing a game that you're just not enjoying and go buy Lego Star Wars 2 (i hear it's really good) or Dead Rising or something. Seriously, Guild Wars won't implode if you quit.

I hope that this can help put your real concern to rest.

Phoenix Ex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/R

06 Oct 2006 at 05:50 - 934

Or why don't YOU go play another game like Warcraft where you don't have to worry about item being too expensive and perfect for casual. As far as I know I paid the same amount as you for the game and I have as much of a right to ask for stuff that caters to my own playing style as much as you. Whether ANET implements them is another story.

I like "uber farming" and having expensive items to buy and vanity options, and as long as I don't go pester people with outrageous price and show off, you have no right to make me stop.

And btw, STOP ASSUMING everything people say that isn't OMG THIS IS THE BEST to be an effort for anet to don't implement this. I am all for it, but I am asking for them to add stuff, and what's so wrong in that?

Talk about some selfish people only want the game to fit their own playing style.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

06 Oct 2006 at 05:59 - 935

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

We think of the rare skinned as rewards for actually playing the game.

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

It will ruin one of the reasons to play any more pve after completing the storyline.

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

And the effect on GAMEPLAY will be huge - with no reason to go to any high-end location more than once

You know, I get the feeling you're only playing for the loot, and for some reason assume that everyone does. ANet isn't catering to you. Never has, and probably never will be. Would you imagine, there are people who keep returning to PvE because they like to play the game for the sake of playing?

Phoenix Ex

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Mo/R

06 Oct 2006 at 06:03 - 936

Actually from the start, they DID cater to the people who play for loot, just look at the constant adding of new skins like jade sword and golden maul.

What's so wrong with a bit of catering to different people other than "uber casual" anyways,Gli and Ghullka? It'll keep them interested, it'll draw in more players of different styles, ANet makes more profit, and

They'll have more budget to add stuff you casual players want.

P.S. Please for the love of god, don't assume I hate inscriptions with this post. I never said one word about them.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

06 Oct 2006 at 06:20 - 937

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

Actually from the start, they DID cater to the people who play for loot, just look at the constant adding of new skins like jade sword and golden maul.

I'm thinking they're adding those to add variety, not for obsessing over.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

What's so wrong with a bit of catering to different people other than "uber casual" anyways,Gli and Ghullka? It'll keep them interested, it'll draw in more players of different styles, ANet makes more profit, and

They'll have more budget to add stuff you casual players want.

I'm not a casual player. I play every day, usually more than 3 hours. Get it out of your head that only casual players are in favor of this. Why do you keep assuming that everyone who doesn't obsess over loot is a casual player? There's much more to this game than rare loot to obsess over.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

P.S. Please for the love of god, don't assume I hate inscriptions with this post. I never said one word about them.

And let me be bluntly honest and state that one of the reasons I'd love for all assumptions about them to be true, is that they'll destroy the high-end market. Return the game to a sane economy where entry-level players can participate.

Ghull Ka

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06 Oct 2006 at 06:26 - 938

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

Or why don't YOU go play another game like Warcraft where you don't have to worry about item being too expensive and perfect for casual.

Because, as per my post, I'm enjoying playing Guild Wars. I thought that would have been evident.

Oh, and from what I understand, in Warcraft, your items ARE your character, and you can't be competitive unless you grind for uber gear. And the uber gear is very, very expensive. Obviously, that's not what Guild Wars is about, and that's why I like it.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

Talk about some selfish people only want the game to fit their own playing style.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm seeing here. People around here are upset about inscriptions and selectable salvage because they want weapons with popular skins and good mods to cost outrageous prices. ANet will soon eliminate that from the game, I hope.

Avarre

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06 Oct 2006 at 06:30 - 939

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Originally Posted by Gli

And let me be bluntly honest and state that one of the reasons I'd love for all assumptions about them to be true, is that they'll destroy the high-end market. Return the game to a sane economy where entry-level players can participate.

You don't need to trade in stacks of ecto to participate in the economy. A few days of farming in the current system can set you up with enough funds to begin merchanting - or buy max golds for yourself.

The economy of Guild Wars is one of the sanest there is (*coughDiablo2cough*) compared to most others, because participation in it is purely optional due to collector/pvp items. People have equated 'no grind to participate!' with 'no grind to get everything', and that population, already catered to in Guild Wars more than almost any other online rpg, is getting even more things spoonfed to them.

Gli

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06 Oct 2006 at 06:40 - 940

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Originally Posted by Avarre

You don't need to trade in stacks of ecto to participate in the economy. A few days of farming in the current system can set you up with enough funds to begin merchanting - or buy max golds for yourself.

Farming and merchanting? Why would anyone just starting to play want to do that? That's the realm of the jaded veteran. How about just playing, grabbing an easy few platinum every outing just by selling to merchants and traders, making enough money to afford competitive gear.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

The economy of Guild Wars is one of the sanest there is (*coughDiablo2cough*) compared to most others, because participation in it is purely optional due to collector/pvp items. People have equated 'no grind to participate!' with 'no grind to get everything', and that population, already catered to in Guild Wars more than almost any other online rpg, is getting even more things spoonfed to them.

I haven't found any collector weapons with +30 health mods yet. Worse, if you were to put one onto a collector weapon, it's gone forever because you can't even try to salvage it later. PvP items have nothing to do with this at all. Sane because participation is optional? That makes no sense at all, that's like saying suicide cults are sane because participation is optional.

Phoenix Ex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/R

06 Oct 2006 at 07:19 - 941

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Originally Posted by Ghull Ka

Because, as per my post, I'm enjoying playing Guild Wars. I thought that would have been evident.

Oh, and from what I understand, in Warcraft, your items ARE your character, and you can't be competitive unless you grind for uber gear. And the uber gear is very, very expensive. Obviously, that's not what Guild Wars is about, and that's why I like it.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm seeing here. People around here are upset about inscriptions and selectable salvage because they want weapons with popular skins and good mods to cost outrageous prices. ANet will soon eliminate that from the game, I hope.

Not World of Warcraft, Warcraft, as in the RTS warcraft, absolutely no expensive items to worry about.

Where did anyone say the good mods and skins should cost outrageous price? I for one have said several times in the post that I DO BELIEVE the current pricing is ridiculous. All I am doing in the last few posts is pointing out Guild Wars' lack of vanity options.

I don't know why you oppose anything for the people that likes to work for something, comeon, not all rich people sell stuff for 100k+ecto, not all rich people go and brag in front of people, and not all rich people want to control the economy. So why not give them some other goals other than the player controlled rare weapon economy? They added stuff like Guild Hall Npcs and Fow Armor, why can't they add more high end merchant stuff?

To Gli, I never said anything about all non-casual players obsess over loot, all I am saying is for those that DO want vanity, give them vanity, merchant controlled, no inflation, no deflation.

Avarre

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06 Oct 2006 at 07:22 - 942

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Originally Posted by Gli

Farming and merchanting? Why would anyone just starting to play want to do that? That's the realm of the jaded veteran. How about just playing, grabbing an easy few platinum every outing just by selling to merchants and traders, making enough money to afford competitive gear.

Is there a point in this statement? You've restated what I said, that you don't need much money to buy things. I'm talking, of course, about people already at level 20 and such, those that are completely new to the game shouldn't consider participating in the economy as they don't fully understand the game or prices yet anyway.

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I haven't found any collector weapons with +30 health mods yet. Worse, if you were to put one onto a collector weapon, it's gone forever because you can't even try to salvage it later.

How many people care about salvaging their USED equipment. Furthermore, how many casual players need +30 hp? As far as PvE is concerned (because anyone with the time to develop capability to play in higher PvP can get a mod easily), +5 armor (available on purples) is good if not better.

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PvP items have nothing to do with this at all.

The only non e-peen reason to have max golds is so you can get specific mods and stats for PvP, the casual players have PvP weaponry which fulfills that need.

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Sane because participation is optional? That makes no sense at all, that's like saying suicide cults are sane because participation is optional.

Not only is the analogy police going to smack you for that, you misread the gist of my post. We're talking about a relative sanity in a comparison of economical game systems. There's no comparison between using game currency and having easily available items, where you can be maxed out simply, and having (for example) to trade rare drops to purchase rarer ones just to be competitive. Try again.

Oh, and go read Capitalist's thread.

neuro_999

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06 Oct 2006 at 07:46 - 943

Why someone dont start a vote pool.
I was in GW from the begin, i have fow armor, some rare items (mussat bow 15^50 req 8, mussat hammer same... zodiac hammer same).. but i wanna see the options added, i wanna make the weapons like i wanna, i dont care if my weapons go down in price, i use them to play dont to speculate, i dont wanna waste my time buying & Selling.

Just my 2 cents.

Ghull Ka

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06 Oct 2006 at 07:52 - 944

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Oh, and go read Capitalist's thread.

I love it when people reference Capitalist's thread like it's gospel. Like it's the guide that ANet uses when designing their game. Heh.

Capitalist's thread is an accurate digest of the game as it existed when Capitalist wrote the thread. If you were to assume that it will be accurate throughout the game's lifetime, then you must also assume that ANet will not introduce anything that will digress from it's vision of "normal guys get collector's items or greens, some can afford maybe one pretty weapon with perfect mods, but most can't, and that's OK."

Well, what if ANet introduces a mechanism that makes it possible for everyone in the entire game to easily and cheaply acquire any combination of mods on any skin of weapon with any req that they may fancy?

Let's all read Capitalist's thread twenty days from now and see if it still applies, eh?

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

06 Oct 2006 at 08:01 - 945

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Is there a point in this statement? You've restated what I said, that you don't need much money to buy things. I'm talking, of course, about people already at level 20 and such, those that are completely new to the game shouldn't consider participating in the economy as they don't fully understand the game or prices yet anyway.

No, what I stated is how I would like things to be. It's not how it is right now.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

How many people care about salvaging their USED equipment. Furthermore, how many casual players need +30 hp? As far as PvE is concerned (because anyone with the time to develop capability to play in higher PvP can get a mod easily), +5 armor (available on purples) is good if not better.

I salvage my used equipment. And again, this isn't about casual players, this is about adding options to the game for everyone who isn't hung up over his stash of rare weapons. And who needs +30 hp? Are you for real? Everyone needs it, because it keeps you alive. +5 armor is good as well, but it's different. Don't you use weapon switching? My warrior owns more than a dozen weapons and uses them all. Some have +30 life, some +5 armor, some +7 vs. elemental, etc. etc. I wouldn't dream of rushing into battle against mesmers or necros using +5 armor on my weapon. To be really competitive, one needs TONS of equipment. Greens don't cut it, because not all inherent modifiers/prefix/postfix combos exist.

Again, this isn't about casual players. This is about playing the game with more options.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

The only non e-peen reason to have max golds is so you can get specific mods and stats for PvP, the casual players have PvP weaponry which fulfills that need.

See my previous comments. It's not just about casual players. It's about having options more readily available without grinding for them.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Not only is the analogy police going to smack you for that, you misread the gist of my post. We're talking about a relative sanity in a comparison of economical game systems.

And you claim there is 'relative sanity' when there are items costing more than a single account can hold in gold? Dream on. Seriously, that's as insane as insanity comes in game economies. And where did we start comparing game economies? We didn't. We're talking about the absolute merits of this game's economy.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

There's no comparison between using game currency and having easily available items, where you can be maxed out simply, and having (for example) to trade rare drops to purchase rarer ones just to be competitive. Try again.

I really don't get what you're trying to say here. I really don't, I can't make heads or tails of it. You try again.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Oh, and go read Capitalist's thread.

Read it, didn't care to participate. That thread was about a status quo I couldn't care less about. I don't trade much, I don't farm much, I don't care about the value of items; mine or anyone else's. I don't whine about equipment being hard to get because I just go out and get what I need.

This thread is about a possible change to that status quo and is therefore infinitely more interesting.

BoredJoe

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

06 Oct 2006 at 08:37 - 946

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Originally Posted by Ghull Ka

Three words: Shing Jea Chests.

Cheap keys, easy to get to, no danger, and gold drops will still have 15^50's on them quite often. Inscriptions will not be expensive at all. Enjoy.

Good point. I wonder if the mix of gold drops from low end chests will change to stop a flood of cheap 15^50 inscriptions occurring. Not sure about Shing Jea chests but the gold drop rate for Ascalon and Steel chests was pretty low.

I'd be curious to see if it would be worthwhile for people spend hours chest running low end chests for inscriptions and what value they would put on their time if it takes a while.

It'll be interesting to see what price 15^50 inscriptions settle at.

manitoba1073

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06 Oct 2006 at 09:25 - 947

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Originally Posted by Gli

This thread is about a possible change to that status quo and is therefore infinitely more interesting.

actually its not about the status quo at all. go back and read the first post if u dont believe me. its actually how bad prices will be when inscriptions are implemented if they are implemented wrong. as as some say it may take months to get prices settled. but what do u expect them to start out as. im guessing low end 50k to start. some say 100k. yeah i call that a serious problem. for the CAUSUAL player which i started this thread. so u think GW will survive if the prices for those inscriptions are like that. which this is supposed to be for. not for long. ITS a major problem waiting to happen.
ive said before the inscriptions are a great idea, just ANET is going about it all wrong. NO there will be no real increase in golds. agrue all u want about that. itll stilll be what ever percent they drop now. lets talk about bots not only will we see them in there usual places but the WILL go any where golds are easy to get. u think they are just gonna stop one place nope they will just add more. again its a BAD implementation if the inscriptions go the way the PC gamer magazine hinted at.

and if u guys must know yeah i farm, i play the game, i have lots of fun doing both. i have 3500+ hours in and i will still be playing till the end. am i an elitist, depends on who u ask. im sure the 15+ guilds i finaced when sigils were 100k would say no, or the countless players i give stuff to or help get there builds right would also say no. now it has nothing to do with skins or mods themselves but what there price will be when this happens, and dont even think they will go down over night, or anet to fix it overnight. it just wont happen. i have invested alot in this game, its a great game. as far as though saying if ur bored then quit, BLOW IT OUT YOUR KINK IN YOUR ARMOR
everyone has a different way of having fun in the game. only ppl who is having the probs are the losers and yes i mean losers that say stuff like get a life and that.

scamPOR

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

06 Oct 2006 at 09:32 - 948

I heard its for ch3 weapons ONLY... not sure why you are all going ape shit.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

06 Oct 2006 at 09:47 - 949

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

actually its not about the status quo at all. go back and read the first post if u dont believe me. its actually how bad prices will be when inscriptions are implemented if they are implemented wrong.

Well, how isn't that about a change to the status quo, just like I said?

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

as as some say it may take months to get prices settled. but what do u expect them to start out as. im guessing low end 50k to start. some say 100k. yeah i call that a serious problem. for the CAUSUAL player which i started this thread. so u think GW will survive if the prices for those inscriptions are like that. which this is supposed to be for. not for long. ITS a major problem waiting to happen.

You know, all the options the anti-people are naming as alternatives to custom-built maxed equiptment (collector weapons, greens) will see the less affluent people through the bumpy ride while the economy settles. In the end, it will be better. Supply and demand will kick in, and once that does, ANet can easily tweak item prices by changing drop rates.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

ive said before the inscriptions are a great idea, just ANET is going about it all wrong.

But... we don't have a clue how ANet will be going about it!

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

NO there will be no real increase in golds. agrue all u want about that. itll stilll be what ever percent they drop now.

I addressed that a few lines back. Once the economy settles, it can be manipulated to ANet's content by changing drop rates.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

lets talk about bots not only will we see them in there usual places but the WILL go any where golds are easy to get. u think they are just gonna stop one place nope they will just add more. again its a BAD implementation if the inscriptions go the way the PC gamer magazine hinted at.

Bots shouldn't be taken into account of anything. A game should be catered to players, and problems caused by botting should be fixed by stomping the bot problem.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

and if u guys must know yeah i farm, i play the game, i have lots of fun doing both. i have 3500+ hours in and i will still be playing till the end. am i an elitist, depends on who u ask. im sure the 15+ guilds i finaced when sigils were 100k would say no, or the countless players i give stuff to or help get there builds right would also say no. now it has nothing to do with skins or mods themselves but what there price will be when this happens, and dont even think they will go down over night, or anet to fix it overnight. it just wont happen. i have invested alot in this game, its a great game. as far as though saying if ur bored then quit, BLOW IT OUT YOUR KINK IN YOUR ARMOR

I really don't want to go into typecasting anyone whether or not they're participating in this discussion. I'm sure you're a nice guy, no sarcasm, but I think you're being far too pessimistic about all this.

Just wait and see.

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

everyone has a different way of having fun in the game. only ppl who is having the probs are the losers and yes i mean losers that say stuff like get a life and that.

I don't begrudge anyone their playing style, but when changes I look forward to cramp another's style, I know where I stand. On my side.

It would be too bad if anyone actually left the game over it.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

06 Oct 2006 at 10:41 - 950

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Originally Posted by Ghull Ka

The difference, then, between you and me is very simple:

I don't care if everyone has loot that's just like mine. I like my loot, and I like using it, and I'm excited that I can build loot that looks and works just the way I want it to.

You're sad when your loot isn't godlier than everyone else's loot. QQ.

Outstanding. Your post sums up perfectly what is the inner feeling of the so called "elitist". ENVY is their basic motivation. They feel dead inside and nullified if some other player has an item more godly than they have. Some of them know exactly how many "godly" crystallines are in GW, who owns them and how much did they pay for.

Normal players look at their own items.
Yesterday I bought on this forum a req. 8 15>50 summit axe for 60k (that for elitists are peanuts) and for me that is my "godly" item, I had been looking for a long time to buy at a reasonable price because I consider it the best looking axe in game, much better than any serpent or dwarven. If someone shows me a multi-million dwarven, I will think that he's wasted his gold, because MY axe looks much better than his

And if with inscriptions my summit axe will be worth 10k or less, I wouldn't feel reaped, I will enjoy my axe as I'm doing now because it's MY axe and not because of its market value.

Evls Pwn

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Brotherhood of Sacred Soldiers

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06 Oct 2006 at 11:04 - 951

Ok, next person here to complain about farming really should quit this game. You don't wanna farm? Go play a fps. It's what MMORPGs are about and it's what they'll always be about. Anyone who's makin an argument against farming hasn't played any other true MMORPGs. Granted, GW isn't a true mmo, but eliminating the need for item farming and chest runs makes it into a tps.

sumrtym

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

06 Oct 2006 at 13:33 - 952

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Originally Posted by Evls Pwn

Ok, next person here to complain about farming really should quit this game. You don't wanna farm? Go play a fps. It's what MMORPGs are about and it's what they'll always be about. Anyone who's makin an argument against farming hasn't played any other true MMORPGs. Granted, GW isn't a true mmo, but eliminating the need for item farming and chest runs makes it into a tps.

Guess I should quit then (although I won't). Get it through your head...you can't realistically obtain the weapons you want with stats you want on skins you want with the current system, whether you farm for them or not.

And you and I differ. A MMORPG is about playing with other people, adventuring together, or playing PVP. It's not about farming loot. Otherwise it could be a single player farming game. This isn't Privateer.

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

06 Oct 2006 at 13:34 - 953

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Originally Posted by Evls Pwn

Ok, next person here to complain about farming really should quit this game. You don't wanna farm? Go play a fps. It's what MMORPGs are about and it's what they'll always be about. Anyone who's makin an argument against farming hasn't played any other true MMORPGs. Granted, GW isn't a true mmo, but eliminating the need for item farming and chest runs makes it into a tps.

LOL! Why don't you go play another MMORPG that you want to play, then, and not try to force your wants and desires on us.

Geez, the hypocrisy is thick in here. First I'm told I don't have to farm in Guild Wars (which, at this point, if I want certain mods not available from the Collector or Crafter, I have to either Farm or Trade).

Now I'm told, oh, you don't like farming? Play another game!

Thank god Anet runs this game, and not you, because if you were making the decisions, I would have never even bought your WoW clone.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

06 Oct 2006 at 14:33 - 954

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Thank god Anet runs this game, and not you, because if you were making the decisions, I would have never even bought your WoW clone.

True, many players would like GW to be a WoW clone, with 10 times better graphics and no monthly fee ...

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

06 Oct 2006 at 14:53 - 955

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

True, many players would like GW to be a WoW clone...

And many players would not.

I think this idea of Inscriptions fits in very well with other unique GW traits:

Low level cap.

Max armor available early.

Max Collector and Crafter Items.

Skill > Grind

So, I can certainly understand some players views that rare skins and mods are the "last stand" of any type of Grind, and for them, a satisfying reason to continue playing.

But I would argue Grind shouldn't belong in Guild Wars at all, with the obvious exception of "vanity" items like 15k armor, FoW armor, and crystallines, which are, after all, just for show.

The crux of the argument, is this a good thing or bad thing? The main problem being that for 18 months now Guild Wars players were accustomed to a certain style of play, and now that style may be changed by Inscriptions.

Who knows what the real effect of Inscriptions will be? It may not really effect the traders or farmers as much as people think, with the possible addition of new rare skins and Inscriptions to farm and/or trade for.

I'm personally hoping that Inscriptions will make Mods easier for the "casual" player to attain, but if not, oh well, it's not like it's stopped me from enjoying Guild Wars in the past. I do hope it makes for a more enjoyable future, however!

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

06 Oct 2006 at 15:25 - 956

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

But I would argue Grind shouldn't belong in Guild Wars at all, with the obvious exception of "vanity" items like 15k armor, FoW armor, and crystallines, which are, after all, just for show.

I'm personally hoping that Inscriptions will make Mods easier for the "casual" player to attain, but if not, oh well, it's not like it's stopped me from enjoying Guild Wars in the past. I do hope it makes for a more enjoyable future, however!

I don't think anyone is arguing about the "mod" portion of the anticipated update - that is, being able to salvage what you want from your weapons, instead of leaving it up to chance.

Your #1 statement directly contradicts your #2 statement above, though. Rare skins with rare mods ARE a vanity item. As stated many times in this thread, there are very few combinations of inherent modifiers that are not available either on a collector/crafter weapon or a green weapon. Any 99% of those are on CASTER items, which may not even be affected by this inscription update.

There is absolutely nothing about the current system that is about grind, which is completely unlike WoW. You can get a perfect item with perfect mods for insanely cheap, without one second of grind in GuildWars. Everything outside of that is vanity, pure and simple.

Jeremy Untouchable

Wow Stole my freetime

Join Date: Mar 2006

Arkansas

None

W/E

06 Oct 2006 at 15:33 - 957

well said Mordakai

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

06 Oct 2006 at 15:39 - 958

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

These players would like to have Perfect Mods and different skins from Collectors and Crafters to play with. And why not? They feel since they bought the game, and have invested time playing it (if not the same amount of time as the second group), why shouldn't they enjoy the benefit?

By that logic, A-Net should definitely dramatically lower the cost of 15K and FoW armors as well, as these players should have access to different skins of armor as well that are currently expensive.

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

06 Oct 2006 at 15:40 - 959

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

I don't think anyone is arguing about the "mod" portion of the anticipated update - that is, being able to salvage what you want from your weapons, instead of leaving it up to chance.

Your #1 statement directly contradicts your #2 statement above, though. Rare skins with rare mods ARE a vanity item. As stated many times in this thread, there are very few combinations of inherent modifiers that are not available either on a collector/crafter weapon or a green weapon. Any 99% of those are on CASTER items, which may not even be affected by this inscription update.

There is absolutely nothing about the current system that is about grind, which is completely unlike WoW. You can get a perfect item with perfect mods for insanely cheap, without one second of grind in GuildWars. Everything outside of that is vanity, pure and simple.

If Inscriptions don't effect caster items or off-hands, then it's a complete waste, IMO. We don't need Inscriptions just for 15 over 50 weapons!

Personally, I could care less about skins, but I'll make this argument and leave it at that:

IF Inscriptions significantly lower prices on rare skins, how low will they go? Take crystallines for example: Do crystallines cost more than FoW armor? If so, shouldn't it be reduced in price? Shouldn't FoW armor be the highest grind item in the game?

Just food for thought, again, I could care less about skins.

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

By that logic, A-Net should definitely dramatically lower the cost of 15K and FoW armors as well, as these players should have access to different skins of armor as well that are currently expensive.

As I said, my personal feeling is that FoW armor should be the most expensive item in the game. That is the ultimate reward for grinding. 15k armor is perfectly priced. Casual players like me can get it even just playing for 500 hours, no farming, easily. I don't consider it "grind", because I'm just playing the game.

DeathByAmor

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

N/

06 Oct 2006 at 15:49 - 960

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

If Inscriptions don't effect caster items or off-hands, then it's a complete waste, IMO. We don't need Inscriptions just for 15 over 50 weapons!

Personally, I could care less about skins, but I'll make this argument and leave it at that:

IF Inscriptions significantly lower prices on rare skins, how low will they go? Take crystallines for example: Do crystallines cost more than FoW armor? If so, shouldn't it be reduced in price? Shouldn't FoW armor be the highest grind item in the game?

Just food for thought, again, I could care less about skins.

As I said, my personal feeling is that FoW armor should be the most expensive item in the game. That is the ultimate reward for grinding. 15k armor is perfectly priced. Casual players like me can get it even just playing for 500 hours, no farming, easily. I don't consider it "grind", because I'm just playing the game.

Yes FoW armor most definitely should be the highest grind item in the game.