Is anyone else worried about the new salvage options?

Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

Inscriptions are not strictly just so that people can get rare skins. It's just a better salvaging option, period.

Originally Posted by winkgood

Interesting. So if only collector weapons were given the option to add inscriptions, then this would be satisfactory to you? Or even better, if weapon crafters could craft the inherent mod combination of your choice (eg- If you wanted a +30 HP, +10 vs Lightning Dmg, tactics shield) then you would be satisfied? I somehow doubt it. I find it amusing that pro-inscriptionists still claim they are doing this for the mods themselves when it has been maid perfectly clear that 95% of you are in it for the skin (a.k.a. vanity).

Originally Posted by Lawnmower

im by no means rich... I had to beg for money to afford 15k for god sakes. i dont got a single gold right now.


but still.. i sort of enjoy the feeling that there are really rare items out there, and people with alot of money. it makes me feel like a little fish in a big ocean, full fo wonder.

just because i will never have it, it does not mean i cant appreciate it in the larger spectrum of things.


am i a fan of hardcore grinding and stuff? no.


i still wish though that they would create may more mods. maybe stuff like, "+15% damage while attacking a moving target", or "20+ armor if attacked by more than 3 enemies at the same time".

I miss more rare and diverse mods, and more rare skins. i mean ultra rare skins. I do not like the idea that everything will be easily achiveable.

getting max armor and weapons does not take long. getting collector stuff is enough. a superior vigor and certain runes, i can agree with it, can be a bit pricey for the casual gamer. But in generel... in generel nothing of this have to do with significant power.



if people are afraid of scams, i think the game should try to inform ppl better. also about the attribute quests or titan quests.. how many people even know these are in the game? not many i bet. And I know why - Because of poor feedback.

when a newbie starts playing he/she got no idea what a good weapon is. hence why all noobs think its a good idea to pay 200 plat for a sundering fiery sword...



i miss colour and more diversity. I like the idea of some stuff being rare. I dont think life would be very much fun if everyone looked the same or wore the same cloths.

In GW no one have to have the same build. the combinations are almost limitlessly. it would take a player to copy another player intensionaly to get the same effect.

it would be so sweet if armors, facial features, dye and weapons and weapon mods could be just as diverse.

Originally Posted by sumrtym

Exactly. And why FoW armor is craftable, and not a drop. Inscriptions removes the stupid barrior, and prevents people losing interest / frustration because of the sheer impossibility of finding what they want to make their characters look how they wish under the present system.

BENEFIT without DOWNSIDE.

If you wish to continue looking in your near hopeless quest vs. crafting one after inscriptions, no one is stopping you. Enjoy like you always have.

Originally Posted by tenryo

you miss the point that for the price of a set or 2 of FOW there is virtually nothing in the game, short of perhaps decent modded crystallines or dwarven axes, that are not obtainable within a short 2 days of a guru wtb post. For the right price, everything is easily obtainable. Especially statwise... want a 30/+10 vs slasher shield? I just sold one today relatively cheap. Want dual reduction shields? I got a few u can buy too and so do lots of others. Want -2+10 shields? I saw a whole slew for sale asc international dis 1 today. Want that perfect crystalline? I've seen a few for sale to those with 600-1500 ectos handy. Really. The only effect of adding inscribable mods is to gut the economy. There is no shortage of supply. There is only a shortage of "funds" for the unfortunate few who are either too lazy, too busy, or too unintelligent to procure them.

Originally Posted by tenryo

The only effect of adding inscribable mods is to gut the economy. There is no shortage of supply. There is only a shortage of "funds" for the unfortunate few who are either too lazy, too busy, or too unintelligent to procure them.

Originally Posted by Loviatar

IT IS NOT THE GOLD.

it is i have it you dont so i am somehow better than you

now a person can join a group and show off his 5,000,000 gold *BUTTERKNIFE OF DOOM* and everybody stokes his/her ego by telling them how fantastic they are to afford a 5,000,000 gold item

when the change hits he/she whips out their *BUTTERKNIFE OF DOOM* and 4 others whip out the very same *BUTTERKNIFE OF DOOM* and laugh at him/her for spending that much

he/she does the ragequit

Originally Posted by tenryo

Here's my point. I'd rather not have my butterknife of doom now and have to spend a few more weeks farming and merchanting to get it if it retains its rarity. Lets face it. Butterknives, or crystallines, to which they bear an uncanny resemblace, are pretty damn ugly. if it wasn't for the ego trip of being able to whip one out in a grind group or pvp environment, I'd never even want one.

Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

AHAAHAHA! You really think that it takes intelligence to mindlessly farm or trade for enough gold to buy those items? Wow, now I see how low your standards for intelligence are.

And yet again we have people proclaiming that the economy will be destroyed without actually explaining how said economy will be "gutted"

Originally Posted by sumrtym

QFT

Those arguing AGAINST inscriptions are all about how OTHERS perceive them.

Those arguing FOR inscriptions are all about wanting a character that reflects THEIR style.

I'm not much of a cater to the ego and shaft everyone else crowd. They're saying it will "ruin" Guild Wars cause no one will fawn over their weapon. They don't get weapons they care about for themselves, only what others think.

I sense a bunch of divorced previously married to an airhead trophy wife people in the future (provided their ego allows for marriage).

Originally Posted by tenryo

File back a few pages to 30 something for my economic explanation. No fuzzy trickle down economics here. Just simple supply and demand with the ideas of moving utility curves. Simply put, inscriptions destroy much of the marginal utility for owning rare skins. Hence demand falls. Price then falls since supply for rare skins is fairly inelastic. Price falls. If you'd like a short run, medium run, and long run analysis I'd be glad to bore you to tears, but I thought I'd spare everyone the tedious details.

Originally Posted by tenryo

Heh... why are Jaguars worth more than Toyotas? Don't people know that the Camry is the most reliable car out there? Point in cheek. Elitism is a goal in itself, and a worthwhile reward for effort spent. You want to "look" as cool as us? Then kindly put in the same effort and I'll be the first to welcome you to the club with open arms.

Originally Posted by sumrtym

Or, current waste decreases, consumption increases, all accompanied by a fall in prices.

Sorry, I don't scream "inflation ftw".

Want to get technical, feel free. I'm an electrical engineer, minor in industrial engineering, with I'll bet more economics courses under my belt than you.

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Originally Posted by tenryo

I'm an Econ/Gov double major. I doubt you do. But that aside, I'd argue that GW's economy has seen steady deflation rather than inflation. Cash is worth more than it's ever been durring my GW tenure, and greens are worth less than I've ever seen them at this point in time.

Originally Posted by sumrtym

QFBRT
Still waiting for my 20/20 matched zodiac wands since you all say inscriptions add nothing and anything can be gotten with work. I've tried. Counting down on your 2 days, you can get anything asking on guru....

Originally Posted by winkgood

Sooner or later you are going to realize that you can't have everything you want. I want FoW armor for all 9 of my PVE characters, but I just can't afford it. I want rare gold skins for all of my characters but oftentimes I settle for collector and green items. I want to have all skills on all of my characters but I can't afford it, and nor do I have the time to invest into capping that many elites. I want to be Rank 14 with a phoenix emote but unfortunately I can't put in that much time to HA.

Originally Posted by winkgood

One of the most exciting things about Guild Wars is that there are trade offs. You can't do everything, so you get to pick and choose. I'm pretty sure that if someone devoted enough time into it, that they could find the mod/skin combinations that you speak of. You demanding that someone show you them to prove the need for inscriptions is very childish. You don't see me demanding that fame be rewarded in random arena just because I don't have a phoenix emote.

Originally Posted by winkgood

Oh, and if you are more concerned about dressing up your character with the perfect "look" than challenging yourself through obtaining rare items and setting goals to do so then I think there is a line of toys by Mattel which would suit your needs perfectly.

Originally Posted by sumrtym

Following a natural supply/demand curve.

The other side of that is inflation in terms of other items. I doubt we've had prices for things like we have seen now because of stockpiles of gold and limited availability. In that sense, it's very inflationary. And it's the part that is inflationary is about to be brought under control.

Originally Posted by winkgood

You demanding that someone show you them to prove the need for inscriptions is very childish.

Originally Posted by winkgood

Oh, and if you are more concerned about dressing up your character with the perfect "look" than challenging yourself through obtaining rare items and setting goals to do so then I think there is a line of toys by Mattel which would suit your needs perfectly.

Originally Posted by tenryo

It's precicely the phenomenon of people stockpiling gold that illustrates the increasing worth of cash relative to the cost of goods I'm talking about. Increased demand for cash relative to goods marks deflation, exactly the opposite of inflation, and I'd argure that increasing the supply of "rare drops" would only increase the value of cash and further deflate the value of goods.

I'd argue that you should be following an Monetary supply curve rather than an item supply and demand curve if you want to look at it from an inflationary point of view, and I think you'll concur with my stance when I say that what the economy needs is an infusion of cash... i.e. easier to farm pure cash rewards... rather than a slashing in cost, which will only acerbate cash hoarding.

Originally Posted by Sid Soggybottom

Hyprocrite.

By the way, why do you anti-inscriptionists insist that there's no room for your precious trading /rare elite items AND a new improved salvaging system?

Rare skins can STILL be rare. ANET could easily make the rare skins drop even less frequently.

But frankly, I dont really care either way. The new salvaging system is all that matters. It's something that benefits all.

Originally Posted by winkgood

Oh, and if you are more concerned about dressing up your character with the perfect "look" than challenging yourself through obtaining rare items and setting goals to do so then I think there is a line of toys by Mattel which would suit your needs perfectly.

Originally Posted by tenryo

Elitism is a goal in itself, and a worthwhile reward for effort spent. You want to "look" as cool as us? Then kindly put in the same effort and I'll be the first to welcome you to the club with open arms.

You want to reflect your "style"? Honestly, I'll be the first to admit that I think longswords... yest the lowly longsword skin... look pretty damn cool. The same can be said about plenty of other common skins. I think Kanaxai's axe looks pretty uber. I think Kaolin blades look soo hot they should be illegal. I think 1.5k kurzick armor is rather striking, as is the infamous droks 1.5k plate. I think sunreach's shield and the endgame exhalted aegis shields look well worth your 25-30k. You can be stylish without owning "splurge items". You cannot, however, be "uber" without owning them, and that, perhaps, is the biggest thorn in some peoples' sides.

I'll say it again: There is no free lunch, and if inscriptions crash the market and you can suddenly afford that crystalline, I'd wager that the taste would be a bit more rancid than if you'd worked for it.

Originally Posted by sumrtym

You better stay in school. lol

Originally Posted by tenryo

I'm an Econ/Gov double major. I doubt you do. But that aside, I'd argue that GW's economy has seen steady deflation rather than inflation. Cash is worth more than it's ever been durring my GW tenure, and greens are worth less than I've ever seen them at this point in time.

Originally Posted by Akhilleus

military and socio-economic history major here...
when i see the pro-inscription arguments they bare a striking resemblance to attempts at revamping economies to mee the needs of the lower classes at the cost of the rich. all it ever ends up doing is making the suituation worse, thousands of years of human history have proven than if everyone gets what they want, the shortsightedness inherent in personal gain tends to cloud long-range vision, and things get very nasty.
from the economic reforms of the roman empire, to the economic forms of 17th/18th century urban paris, to the communist revolution; when people try to make things better by forgoing the longterm effects at the behest of an immidiate gain, in the long-run it ends up hurting the very people who sought to benifit from the very changes they helped to institute.
am i comparing the importance of guildwars with that of socio-economics? no. im merely making an observation that good intentions aside, trying to force absolute equality has ALWAYS worked out poorly.

EVERYONE in guildwars started out with the same 0 gold, so to say that any 1 person has a lesser chance to make less of the experience than any other person, is crap.
2 people of equal ability and equal input, should be at least close to similar in their success. now because i refuse to believe that everyone is a moron, i choose to believe that its more the seccond of the 2 aspect that divides people. yes, there are poor players who are stunningly intelligent, and put forth time, but most of them put time into things other than expanding wealth...but you will not find these players complaining that they didnt have the same opportunity, because they know, if they had chosen a different route, they would ahve been equally as wealthy, and they recognize the concious decision made therein.

Originally Posted by Akhilleus

no. im merely making an observation that good intentions aside, trying to force absolute equality has ALWAYS worked out poorly.

Originally Posted by sumrtym

So I can say by this you were against the equal rights movement?

Because it seems the crux of your argument is that not all "skins" should have the same access.

Originally Posted by tenryo

and I'd suggest that perhaps double E majors should stick to their field and leave the economy to economists.

Originally Posted by tenryo

If you refer to other aspects of the equal rights movement that simply enforce equal "opprotunity" such as Brown vs Board of Education or whatnot then of course I support it. Just as I support the right of every player to start with 0 cash and a starter armor kit with access to easily obtainable high quality crafter items.

Originally Posted by sixdartbart

Sumrtym;
After seeing you go on and on about these unobtainable goals and constantly harping about these 6 zodiacs that you can't live without but are impossible to find I decided to waste a few minutes to entertain myself.

Sadly I was not able to find all 6 of them in the 12 minutes that I dedicated to my research but was able to find a req 8 20/20 death staff in a zodiac skin a task that could have possibly been accomplished by you in far less time than you have spent flaming/pissing and moaning on this thread.

I don't expect you to believe me because you have already convinced yourself that such items are impossible to find and don't bother asking where it is because after the way I have seen you attack people here I would NEVER share this info with you

My necro already has far too many toys and I have no use for this staff but I'm seriously considering buying it anyway to maybe give to some worthy new nerco in Ascalon.

Rest assured that there is little to no chance that this will ever find its way into your hands (sure hope it wasn't the only one in the game)
Karma sucks sometimes

Peace

Originally Posted by sumrtym

So I can say by this you were against the equal rights movement?